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gave him a big bear hug, shook hands. i told him i owe him a cold beer, he said no, i owe you a cold beer. >> thank you very much for that report. a good way to end our show. and to our you viewers, thank you very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. the first russian civilian killed inside russia in this war. new fears that it could escalate the war even further. this is a commander inside the mariupol steel plant. and a family that lived in a closed and damp cellar for 30 days with russian soldiers outside. how the family survived. new details about the passenger with no flying
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experience, landing a plane safely. let's go "outfront." good evening. welcome to a special edition of "outfront" live from kyiv. i'm erin burnett tonight. "outfront" this ooefg, the first russian civilian killed just miles from the ukrainian board we are russia. according to the kremlin, the russian civilian was killed by an attack just outside of belgorad, which putin has been using as a staging ground for troops entering ukraine. ukraine hasn't denied this, they have not commented on it as of yet. but news of this reported death raises the stakes. it was yesterday that biden's national director of intelligence warns that putin would escalate this war. the civilian death comes as ukraine is offering to release russian prisoners of war in exchange for the evacuation of injured ukrainian soldiers inside that steel plant in mariupol. it is the last thing right now, standing in the way of russia
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owning that key port city. we're also hearing from a commander still inside the plant that we have been speaking to regularly. he tells us that we are being hit around the clock. they're outnumbered, outgunned. he says they're not giving up. >> translator: the service men before us, they set an impossible mission to hold a defensive position, and this a truly impossible mission, because we are working, we are fighting in the unbelievable conditions, and we all know that the enemy outnumbers us by far and they've got aviation, they've got navy, and for us, it's just not enough to hear from them, that they're doing everything possible. what we need to hear is that they are doing and will be doing everything impossible to rescue
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their soldiers. >> the captain also telling us as of right now, there are as many as 600 ukrainians injured in that plant. and this is hard to hear. many of them are in critical condition, he says. some have lost limbs. for those injured, the situation is becoming more and more dire. they don't have the medication, conditions are completely unsanitary. sara sidner is here with me in kyiv. all of these developments come as the prosecutor general in kyiv announced the first trial, war trial for war crimes with a russian soldier, 21-year-old who is in custody. and this is -- this is what's happening tonight. this is a big development. >> yeah, they are working around the clock to try and figure out what happened in these cases, and then try to identify the soldiers and those who were killed. sometimes they don't know the
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answer to any of that. we have now video that shows a potential war crime happening in real time. you're seeing it happen on cctv video. the reason this is so unusual, is because most of the cctv video was shot out by the russian soldiers as they tried to make their way into kyiv. this one, there was a generator that kicked in, and they just didn't see it, and it showed a shocking and disturbing situation, where two men are shot in the back by russian soldiers. >> reporter: this is a stark example of a potential war crime, perpetrated by russian forces. an example the world has not yet seen. russian soldiers shooting two civilians in the back. cnn obtained the surveillance video taken from this vehicle dealership that sits along the main highway to kyiv. the video is as russians tried and failed to shell their way to the capital. the fight along this road was
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clearly fierce. but what happened outside this business was not a battle between soldiers or each soldiers and armed civilians. it was a cowardly, cold blooded killing of unarmed men by russian forces. the soldiers show up and begin breaking in, inside of a guard shack two ukrainian men prepare to meet them. we tracked down the men's identities. one is the owner of the business, whose family did not want him named. the other was hired to guard it. >> translator: my father's name is alexy>> reporter: his daughter wanted the world to know his name, and what the russians did to him. both civilians, both unarmed. we know this, because the video shows them greeting and getting frisked by the russian soldiers. and then casually walking away. neither seem to suspect what was about to happen. that is what a member of the civilian fighting force who talked to the men a couple of
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days before the attack told cnn. he did not want to be identified for security reasons. >> translator: we came there earlier, warned people to leave that place. we also hope for the humanity of russian soldiers. but unfortunately, they have no humanity. >> reporter: you see the two men walking toward the camera. behind them, the soldiers they were just talking to emerge. a few more steps, and their bodies drop to the ground, dust shoots up from the bullets hitting the pavement. the soldiers have opened fire. minutes later, the guard gets up, limping, but alive. he manages to get inside the guard booth to make a call to the local guys for help. this is one of those guys. a ukrainian truck driver turned civilian soldier. >> translator: first of all, we felt a big responsibility. we knew we should go there, because a man needed our help. he was still alive. >> reporter: he's the commander of a rag tag team of civilians
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who took up arms to fight for ukraine, and tried to save the men. when the guard called them, he explained what transpired with the soldiers. he said the soldiers asked who they were and asked for cigarettes, then let them go, before shooting them in the back. when his men finally got there, he had lost massive amounts of blood. >> translator: one man from our group went there, and the guy was still alive. he gave him bandages, tried to perform first aid, but the russians started shooting. >> reporter: they tried to fight back but were unsuccessful. they didn't have the firepower to save their countrymen. have you seen the video? >> translator: i can't watch it now. i will save it for my grand children and children. they should know about this crime and always remember two our neighbors are. >> reporter: her neighbors to the north, these russian soldiers, showed just how callous they are. drinking, toasting one another, and looting the place, minutes
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after slaying the two men. what were the last words you remember he said to you? >> translator: bye-bye, kisses, say hello to your boys. >> reporter: her boys will be left with a terrible lasting memory. the death of their grandfather now being investigated as a war crime by prosecutors. >> and we did hear from the prosecutor who did see this video, and has looked at the surveillance video obtained by cnn. he said it is 100% official now, they are looking into this as a war crime. >> the video is unbelievably disturbing. but it's important that you showed it multiple times just -- just really horrible. >> yeah, in the back. >> thank you very much. i want to go now to seth jones, director of the international security program at the center for strategic and international studies and retired colonel cedric layton, former member of the joint chiefs of staff. so when you see that report and
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you see what happened there, russian soldiers shooting two civilians in the back, the only interaction known is whether or not they had cigarettes. the story is horrific, and the images, even more so. are you surprised to see this? >> well, erin, no, i'm not surprised in two respects. one is, we have seen similar acrtrocities by russian soldier in chechnya, as well as in syria more recently. the second is, the way the russians talk about ukrainians, and this is certainly supported by vladamir putin himself, it's a dehumanization of ukrainians. what it does is it legitimizes killing of civilians, because they are are subhuman the way they have described them. this is what gets us into the atrocity camp. there is historical precedent and the way ukrainians are being couched by russian leaders.
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>> russian authorities said for the first time in this war, a civilian in russia has died as a result of cross border shelling from ukraine. this is in the region that's seen several explosions on fuel depots and things that seem to be important for the russian military effort. ukraine has not confirmed or denied being responsible for the blasts. could this change the war? >> it could, erin. i mean, it's certainly one situation, one case where young talk about the possibility of an errant shell going somewhere and it being a mistake. the ukrainians have to be careful when this happens. it's not a surprise that happened. . it's within the realm of the possible, but the russians could turn this around and say that it is an excuse for them to go into
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ukraine and conduct further operations. of course, they have to have the capability to do so, and what they can do, you know, depending on what type of weapons they want to use and how often they want to use them. but it is certainly something they should be concerned about on the ukrainian side. >> so seth, when you hear the commander inside that steel plant telling us his words, where he needs officials to do the impossible to save him. not everything possible, but the impossible. you were an adviser to the commanding general of u.s. special operations in afghanistan. so you do know the full range of what could be done here. is there really anything left at this point that ukraine can do to save these soldiers, 600 of them, and some of the injured are mortally so. they are literally there in unsanitary conditions with missing limbs. >> erin, from a military perspective, trying to send in ukrainian special operations
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forces, for example, by helicopter or using aircraft, it's just -- the russians have the black sea blockaded right now. they have a front line where they have got air defense systems. so anything that comes across to the soldiers and try to take them out, it's some kind of evacuation attempt, i think is likely to be shot down. i think the best that the ukrainians can hope for right now is to strike a deal where they can release some russian soldiers that have been captured by the ukrainians. and then strike a drug deal. i think that's about as much as the ukrainians can hope for. trying to free them with a raid, i don't see that as being militarily feasible with what the russians have surrounding the steel plant. and the size of the ukrainian forces there. >> yeah. it's a lot of people there. they are saying 600, the civilians, according to the commander we spoke to, seem to be out of that plant as far as he understands it. so that's significant.
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colonel layton, we have been to villages and seen an incredible amount of arms, and all sorts of bullets from small to huge ones, all kinds of sizes. i want to show everyone some of what we saw today in a destroyed village near kyiv. these look like nails. they're rarely used in modern warfare. as far as i understand, they were used in world war i. they're inhumane, usually packed into shells and they explode and send these little darts everywhere. what do you make, colonel, of their use here? s is >> certainly, it's inhumane and it goes back to world war i, as you said, this kind of weapon. it is something that, you know, does, i believe, violate the laws of warfare to use this against civilian population, which was the principal target,
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let's be frank. and it really implicates the russians in, you know, another possible series of war crimes. potentially. and should be looked at. in terms of military usage, sit a weapon that is absolutely not to be used by military forces, especially against civilian populations. but even against other military combatants, it is a weapon that has definitely outlived its time and usefulness. >> seth, big picture. i show you have been looking at new maps and imagery of the battlefield. when we talk about what's happening in the east of ukraine, what's happening in the south, and the air defense that you just referenced along the russian frontline, is there such a thing now that's -- what are you seeing? >> i think what we're seeing now, we look at the tactical force posture on the ground. what the russians have done is they now have essentially a frontline that goes from crimea,
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that winds towards the donbas and to luhansk and donetsk, and then moves upward towards the russian border, just east of kharkiv. that's a pretty reasonably sized chunk of territory that the russians are reinforcing, putting mines in areas. they have air defense systems. they've built rail heads for logistic support. and probably, most important in many ways, they are now essentially state building in those areas. they are putting up russian flags, trying to push in the russian ruble, and then placing russian officials in government positions. so it's essentially a de facto annexation now of that ukrainian territory that's contiguous. >> all right. thank you both very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, erin. up next, a walk in kyiv with the city's famous mayor. a man who has gone from a world renowned boxer and heavyweight
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champion to a wartime leader. and he's warning his citizens, come back here at your own risk. plus, a ukrainian couple forced to spend a month in a cellar. while outside their home, russian forces literally moved in and were living in their yard. >> this was a foxhole, there are four here in his garden. there were basically two soldiers per foxhole. and a passenger with no flying experience safely lands a plane at a florida airport. who is he? how did he do it? >> i've got a serious situation here. my pilot has gone incoherent. i have no idea how to fly the airplane. timeme. it's life's most precious commodity, especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened,
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i know you have said repeatedly that you think putin's goal is to occupy the city. do you still believe that's the case? >> i have no doubt. it is putin's main priority. the capital of ukraine is still target of russians. and that is why they had plans in two, three days to be here and occupy the capital of ukraine. our soldiers destroyed the russians, and right now, they changed tactic. right now they are in the east and trying to concentrate his power east of ukraine. but target till is the same, occupy, hold ukraine, and the main city, the capital still is the main target from russians. >> how worriyied are you right w about his choosing to use a
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tactical nuclear weapon or something here in kyiv? >> yes, of course i'm worried. it's my personal priority to support the people and give -- safety is the main priority for the citizens of ukraine. yes, we worry and we hope our warriors defend us. but the risk is still there, and without our partners, without the united states and the european countries, we can't survive. it's the hard reality, and i want to say thank you very much for supporting ukraine. >> so here in kyiv, you know, we're on this bridge, it looks over the city. people behind you, people are coming back. people are coming back. 3.5 million people in kyiv, many of them have returned. still, air raid sirens every day. the fear of cruise missiles hitting at any point. you talk about fears of tactical
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nuclear weapons. what do you say to the people coming back, what are they coming back to, mayor? >> we can give the ga-- it's always better to be somewhere else. so that's why the people coming back, people who want to be back to hometown, but i talk to everyone, sorry, this is your personal risk. but we can't give you guarantee. any second, any minute can be russian rockets can land on any building, in any place in ukraine. and so far in the war in ukraine, we can't give the guarantee for any ukrainian. >> we're here on this bridge, the glass bridge, but people here got it klitschko brinch af -- bridge after you. you are a world renowned professional boxer. you retired to go into politics.
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you're the mayor of kyiv. how has this war changed you? >> this war changed life for everyone, every ukrainian. huge responsibility. it's non-stop work right now. and the people ask for help. the people ask for safety and it's our responsibility. it's my responsibility also. everyone can explain so many stories right now. what happens in our country. the war changed everyone. i said please don't cry. they're asking about the person who support their child, tell me.
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he's alone. his tdad, his mom, is killed. you asked me about how it changed the life of the people? that's one example, how it changed the life of many ukrainians, thousands, millions of ukrainians. right now, time before the war, time in the war, and we think right now, time after the war. and we keep fingers crossed to stop this senseless war as soon as possible. >> mayor klitschko, thank you so much for your time. >> you're welcome. thank you. and next, russian soldiers living side by side with a ukrainian family. foxholes just outside their home in the garden. it was an incredible thing to see, and i want to share it with you. you'll see how they lived together for a month. plus, learning more about the passenger with no flying
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tonight, new images of ukrainian military strikes, blowing up two pontoon bridges that russian forces were trying to use to cross a river in eastern ukraine. this comes as a couple here in ukraine tells me about their experience. they lived side by side with russian soldiers. their town was completely destroyed by shelling. and while we hear reports of atrocities committed by russian forces, they tell me the soldiers they spent time with,
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they had some conversations with them. the soldiers told them they had been deceived by their commanders. >> reporter: two baby goats, born yesterday. new life amidst so much dying. olga's house here north of kyiv was completely destroyed. hit by constant shelling, then set on fire by departing russian soldiers. >> translator: here we had a bathroom. here was the washing machine. >> reporter: he shows me his stepson's room, who died this spring fighting russians. >> translator: he dreamed of a house, a car. he dreamed of living on. >> reporter: dreams that will never come true. they survived all the russian shelling by staying in this cellar for 30 days. there's barely room to lie down here. it's freezing, even today. it's damp.
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he said they ate on this table. they had a clock to tell time, and turned on the radio quietly, for a few minutes a day, to try and hear news. they would come out for air, and light. and that's when they spent time with russians. soldiers from a russian artillery unit lived here in the yard. he said they ate, lived and littered here. they built these foxholes right away. there are four here in the garden. he says this foxhole has been cleared of mines. obviously, this is the kind of place they would have thought russian soldiers would leave them. they left them in people's homes, hid them under carpets. he says there were basically two soldiers per foxhole. keep in mind, as you hear the birds and see the greenery behind me, they were living here in frigid temperatures, with snowsleet, and rain. he says the holes were luxury
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apartments. the russians built makeshift heaters with chimneys to stay warm. they had nothing like that. the soldiers stole sheets and mattresses from villagers. he says some bartered for food, offering their despised rations for eggs and jam. he says the soldiers were all 18 or 19 years old, except one, slavic, who was 22. fadim was afraid to talk to them, but over time, he did. they told him they were told to gather on the last day of military exercises. they thought they were going home. only realizing two days later they were in ukraine. >> translator: they said, our government was fascist. >> they told him as soon as russia puts in a new leader, ukrainians would live better. and fadim told them this. >> translator: we do not hike the government, the ukrainian re-elected. there's no need to decide for
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us. >> they listened. >> translator: they apologized and said they had been deceived and asks us not to be angry with them. >> reporter: he says one day during the shelling, he invited slavic to come into the cellar for safety. maybe because he's an orphan and lost so many friends during this war. >> translator: this is a person who doesn't care whether he lives or not. >> reporter: many soldiers who stayed here probably didn't make it out of ukraine. convoys were destroyed as they left this devastated village. the couple lost their home, and their son. yet they say people nearby had soldiers with them who were vile, who they say tortured and raped. what world would you use? >> translator: we are lucky. we prayed to god. god helped us. >> reporter: it's fortitude in the face of grave adversity. and on this spring day, there is
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a future. olga says, it's new life. it's new life. and it was amazing, sort of her joy and love for the goats and just that belief that there is a future. they said their goat had been injured in the shelling. obviously so many of the farm animals were taken and eaten by the russians. the goat survived. she was already pregnant and now they have these two kids. she was saying it was amazing to see the hope. one could look at a situation like that, and the loss of her only child, her son, and say that they are lucky. "outfront" next, a terrifying thought for anyone flying when all of a sudden your pilot is no longer responsive. it happened. it just happened, the one passenger who had no flying experience, and somehow he safely landed the plane.
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new tonight, a passenger with zero flying experience. zero flying experience. like the vast majority of us on this planet, who safely landed an airplane, has been identified by cnn as darren harrison. harrison, you see him here with the air traffic controller seen there, who guided him to safety. he was forced to take control of the plane after the pilot became incapacitated. we're "outfront" with more on this truly extraordinary story. >> reporter: when darren harrison boarded this private cessna caravan in the bahamas, he was merely a passenger. but it was not long in the flight to florida that harrison became the pilot. >> reporter: audio captured from live atc details the transmissions between harrison and an air traffic control
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facility in florida as he was over the atlantic ocean at 12,000 feet, now at the controls. >> reporter: air traffic controller robert morgan was on break when his colleague said he needed to come help, fast. morgan is also a certificated flight instructor with 1200 hours flying time. >> the passengers are flying the plane, they have no flying experience. so i said oh, boy. >> what is the situation with the pilot? >> he's incoherent, he's out. >> roger. try to hold the wings level and see if young start descending for me. push forward on the controls and descend at a very slow rate. >> reporter: controller morgan told cnn he had only flown a plane similar to this one. so he pulled up a photo of the instrument panel and talked harrison through it, step by
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step. >> since he was a calm person, and i'm kind of a calm person, we were able to work together as a team. >> reporter: controller morgan lined harrison up with the palm beach international airport and brought him straight in to a successful landing. aviation experts call it a remarkable feat, that left other flights listening in stunned. >> the passenger landed the snarp >> that's correct. >> oh, my gosh, great job. >> no flying experience. >> all of these things lined up in a way that made this happen. this gentleman is clearly a natural. he should get flying lessons for sure. >> reporter: after the landing, morgan met harrison, his newest student pilot, that he taught to land without ever getting in the plane. >> it kind of made us in a hero, but in my eyes he was the hero. >> reporter: the original pilot was take on the a local
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hospital. the new pilot said he did have some familiarity with flying, but only through observation, no formal training or flying experience. adding to the drama of all of this, harrison says he was just trying to get home to see his wife who was pregnant. erin? >> amazing story. pete, thank you so much. so i want to go to john nance, well known aviation expert and former commercial airport pilot. john, as a pilot, just how impressive is it for someone with no flying experience to take control of a plane in an emergency, you know, even with someone trying to tell you what to do over a radio and managed to land safely? >> it has happened before, erin. and usually it doesn't turn out anywhere near this well. but this was an amazing circumstance. the most important aspect here, and we made reference to it, was the fact that not only was the
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controller calm and of course, possessed a lot of experience, but both of them stayed calm and there was an element of trust that developed immediately. that's what you have to have, if you've got no experience on manipulating the airplane. >> well, it is truly phenomenal. harrison wouldn't have been able to do it without help from that air traffic controller. so i want to play this exchange between them. listen to this. >> the air traffic controller had never flown that model of plane before. so an incredible moment of calm and just, you know, self-possession, he prints out a picture of its instrument panel
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to guide the passenger through this. how difficult of an undertaking was that for the controller? >> well, pretty difficult in terms of keeping his head to have the time to print this out. but in reality, and i don't know if they spoke these words exactly, but the only thing you had to do was manipulate the controls, in other words the yoel yolk in front of you, and the throttle. and that's what they created together. >> so when you listen to the exchange between them, what i just played there is a good example, jim. it's amazing how calm they are. both of them. it's terrifying situation, no one can really predict what they would do. were you survived by this demeanor? >> i'm not surprised that the controller was calm, whether it was this gentleman or any of our other controllers. they have ice water in their
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va veins. but i am surprised the gentleman on the airplane, who ended up being the instant pilot, was as calm and capable of listening and following the instructions and not letting panic take over. that's when we lose it, when we're trying to talk somebody down and there's panic involved. this case, textbook solution, in addition, if you had to have this happen, a cessna caravan is a gradeeat one, because it's pry straightforward. >> all right. jim nantz, thank you so much. i appreciate your time, sir. >> thank you. next, a bill to make abortion legal nationwide is blocked in the senate. now all 50 states are bracing for a post roe v. wade world. plus, the baby formula shortage is getting worse, as many parents are getting desperate. how long before store shelves are stocked again? y in just two! (sighs wearily) here i i'll take that!
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tonight president biden reacting as senate democrats failed to pass a key vote to protect abortion. he predicts if they overturn roe v. wade, they will go after the same-sex marriage law next. ed lavandera is "out front." >> reporter: if the supreme court strikes down roe v. wade, it will cement america's political fault lines in a way not seen in more than 50 years. colorado state representative says she's bracing for a post roe v. wade world. her own experience makes her fear what will happen. >> taking away abortion rights and abortion services and abortion care puts women's lives
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at risk, period. >> the democratic lawmaker said she was 20 weeks pregnant when her baby's heartbeat stopped. she said she was sent to an abortion clinic. >> i was already bleeding and my doctor was afraid i could hemorrhage and die. what i think is important about my story and that people don't understand is that abortion care is a part of pregnancy care. >> reporter: the leaked supreme court draft opinion suggests it will be left to states. this is what the country would look like according to analysis from the gut mmacher institute. 26 states are likely to move to outlaw abortion access. 13 states have so-called trigger laws designed to immediately ban abortions if roe v. wade is
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overturned. >> we're going to have a patch work of different states, different laws, different standards. are you comfortable with that? >> i would love for all states not to have abortion. >> reporter: teresa sadler offers alternatives to abortion. she was inspired to do this work because when she was 19 she had an abortion, a choice she regrets. last year texas lawmakers passed a law banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. >> the women that we're seeing, they seem more panicked and angry because there is a shorter time frame. >> reporter: how much more panicked and scared are these women going to be when it's illegal? >> reporter: a lot of our women when that is illegal, that goes off the table for them. they're rule followers. >> reporter: in the state with trigger laws, abortion access will look very different. five states have different
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versions of laws that would allow abortions in cases of rape, incest or if the life of the mother is in danger. eight states will only allow abortions in cases where the life of the mother is in danger, but all of this will likely have one clear effect. for states where abortion will remain illegal. >> we'll have a lot of people traveling to colorado to get a safe, legal abortion. >> reporter: and, erin, advocates on both sides of the abortion issue tell us that the potential supreme court decision could open the flood gates to new laws that we don't quite know about just yet. some of the examples they gave were in the situation where a woman's life is in danger, would there be lawmakers trying to control and legislate how those decisions are made? and health clinics that offer advice and counseling to women that have had an abortion, would
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and finally tonight, a major baby formula shortage in the united states has no immediate end in site. abbott nutrition says it may not be able to restart production for another two weeks and that it could take six to eight weeks before their products are back on store shelves. two months? i mean, this is desperate. when you're a new parent and your kid can't latch or something, you're talking hours. people, this is desperation.
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right now nearly half of all baby formula products are out of stock in the united states. the states hit the hardest are north dakota, south dakota, iowa, missouri, texas, tennessee. the white house says it's now working 24/7 to address the shortage which has been caused by a supply chain shortage and on top of that a major safety recall. it was back in february when abbott recalled the formula when two infants died. thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts right now. good evening. for the first time since the war in ukraine began almost 11 weeks ago, russian civilian inside russia has been reported killed. a russian official said it occurred in a village in the belgorod region. it's near ukraine's second largest city kharkiv. kharkiv has been repeatedly shelled as you know. just the last several days ukrainian officials say they