tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN May 13, 2022 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
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settlement has been taken from the russians. you the russians not being able to make much progress. what they have been able to do, as you can see here is blow up bridges. it's one of three they have blown up. also they can halt what appears to be a counter offensive by the ukryukraini ukrainians. russia plans to cut electricity to finland. they say it's lack of payment. it comes after the country appear to be on the gentlemen of the jury of joining nato which is what vladmir putin did not want to happen. russia warned both countries if they did join. putin discussed the situation with his national security leaders and an exchange of views
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took place. there was an exchange of views between russia and the united states. im it koicame in form of a phone cl . the assault of the steel plant continues. i want to show you video released yesterday. it shows a ground level view of fighting at the steel plant. we don't know when the footage was recorded .
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you traveled to the northeast outskirts of kharkiv. what did you see? >> it feels like it's threat on the areas around it. you are hearing an air raid siren that started going off here. it's quite clear there's less pressure, less shell on its out city limit since we have seen over the past week. that's because of a successful ukrainian counter offensive to push the russians back towards their own border. a couple of days ago e were within nine miles. it was that deep ukraine manage to push back. what's been starting to is both devastation that they have revealed as russia pulls back but as we saw today quite how close russian troops were in
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count from the city limits here for those two months they held those positions. scars seem infinite. putin's troops breathing artillery fire down the neck of this city of a million for two months. we are told this is from a controlled blast. everything here is fluid. you crane stopped russia's advance here on the first day of the war killing two soldiers by this armor. three several civilians shot de
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this car. people are starting to go back but they are still shelling it. special forces here warn us a soldier was wounded by a trap three days ago. why do they do this? they say they reclaimed the area about a week ago. they are in the task of demining what they can. look around here, there's really not much left. these civilians evacuated from the next village.
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desperation takes different forms here. his wife moved away a while ago. willing back food he's got for his six dogs. i haven't really left my home for two months he says. across the field, pass the bomb fragments to get to food. a sign of how long the violence has swirled here not that it's slowing. >> are the russians able to protect their supply lines? >> i don't really know the answer to that we. it does a i peer appear they arg several issues .
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it's quite clear the ukrainians have got close to the supply line if not pushing towards it. we're seeing here on this sort of western side of that river which runs down. ukraine establishing a lot more control. yes, granted, as in what whaerd tonight they shell the areas they retreated from. that makes life exceptionally difficult for ukraine to try to return people to their, but there's no doubt that momentum is on ukraine side to the north of kharkiv too.
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the question is how far east can they push. it will be a blow to russia's bid in the donbas. it goes back to the broader question. here we have three weeks into this reset of russia's unprovoked invasion here. the next part of their offensive, the south see very little change. the east incremental moves forward, perhaps. here, a russian retreat. you do have to ask yourself what is russia going to begin to get some control of its narrative again here or is it facing a stalemate or a collapse of the positions it held. >> yeah, what are they doing? thank you. . the ceo of the plant joins me
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now. what's your understanding of the situation in the steel plant right now? >> well, there's lots of civilians that left a few days ago. the only information is from the public. as far as we understand there's still bombing and the russian troops still trying to attack the fighters there. they are till there. are you ae way of what the food and water situation is like? >> unfortunately, no. the food and water prepared by us was enough for three weeks. even with the rationing, longer. also people got the food from things.
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now we're two weeks in. i would imagine food is running out. >> there's a lot of wounded soldiers there. a lot of injuries that look very severe. is there actual medical care there. there's clearly some medics there who are treating people, i guess. >> from what we heard from our employees that left, there was a military hospital there which was bombed at one point in time. >> the bunkers that existed there before, what were those like? >> it's just normal bomb shelters that build in the '70s,
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'60s and '70s. at moment when plant was rebuilt in the second world war. it was like normal cold war type industrial bomb shelter. there there's what we see aboveground and underneath ground how extensive of a network is it under ground? >> there is no exactly network there. you have isolated bol d bomb sh because it was never meant to be a fortress. bomb shelters repair for the worker in case of some technological disaster or an attack from the air.
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>> i want to show your viewer of some fighting that tyke place inside the steel plant. this video is on the ground point of view angle. it was posted yesterday. when you see the video, i know if you've seen it before. is it clear where it is? >> i've seen the video before. it seems like an area of some auxillary shops but it's difficult to point the exact location. >> how are the several yans doing given what they have been through? >> sitting on the ground for more than two months with limited food and water with the women and children there is a very difficult experience. they do have both medical problems and psychological problems. that's why our humanitarian
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center is trying to help them as much as possible. we have the psychiatrist there. we have medics plus the environmental hospitals that are also taking care of them. >> how long do you think this may go on still at the steel plant? how long do you think they can hold out? >> to be honest i didn't know it could hold out for that long. the nigfighters are heroes. we still can win. i understand it's under siege. >> thank you. mpblt still to come, republican proxy wars heating up. vice president pence making move in support of a republican candidate opposed by the former candidate. new york times will join us to discuss the contest in georgia.
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an interesting new development in the proxy fight. that's the day before the republican primary election for governor in the state. it pits the candidate of pence and the republican establishment against the one endorsed by former president, former georgia senator david purdue. ma m maggie, do you have a sense of how president trump feels? >> he's not happy about it. it's been heading this way for a while that mike pence's top
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aide, mark short, was with bryan kemp. pence has been looking for ways to separate out from trump and highlight that he does not support trump's false claims about the 2020 election. remember, it was thoese claims that lead to hang mike pence chants. i don't think trump is happy about this. how he chooses to vent that or make it public remains to be seen. look, mike pence is coming in at a time when it's clear that bryan kemp is in a pretty good position. it's not as if pence is going to put him over the top. pence is making a statement. >> president trump used to be a big fan of the governor kemp. during the early days of covid i remember him at press conferences talking about how great the governor was and how he have handling it so well. was it only that kemp wasn't touting the big lie that turned
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him against lhim? >> he's been unhappy with kemp for a while going back to the choice of kelly leffler to take the open senate seat in georgia a couple of years ago. that was the source of the rift between the two of them. trump credited himself with getting kemp elected and was a very close race in 2018 in georgia. trump always credits himself for anybody else's win but in that case trump did make trips to the state. that rift came long before what we saw. i think his raise of kemp was to contrast with over governors. >> the david purdue loses, what does that mean for trump in longer term? >> i think it's hard to see a long term end in terms of what this means for trump now. i think trump could have a bad rest of may with the primaries upcoming next week and the week after.
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it still doesn't mean anything for him for 2024. what it does mean is his king making abilities are limited. it does mean he's unleashed something he can't really contain anymore within the republican party because all of these primary fields look a lot like pro-trump republicans. in the case of this endorsement, kemp, on policy, most republicans in the state feel as if he's pretty good. there was this one issue which is the election and a lot of these voters are not voting on that. purdue has had a candidacy with really no message. in general, for the most part, his race was all about 2020 and that's just not what primary voters want to vote on. >> it's also not just pence. mike pompeo broke in the pennsylvania senate race endorsing someone else instead of trump endorsed candidate. >> that's right.
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mike pompeo was friends with the candidate he backed. it put him at odds with former president trump. i think the question, anderson, is do we keep seeing people creeping away from trump and does that create an opening where people feel as if they can challenge him for 2024. i think we will know much more at the end of may. >> axios says trump is leading toward endorsing doug mastriaon. is that a referendum on the big lie. he's all in on that. >> i don't know about a referendum but it's showing there's some energy for it in certain places. i think there's other factors in work in that primary. trump is looking less about his lies about the election in that case as why he would support
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mastriano. i think he's looking to balance things out. these things are all pretty complicated in a number of these primaries. >> appreciate it. thank you. coming up, bill gates joins me live. the new book explored how covid exploded out of control. why he believes give us a path to stopping the next pandemic. plus, debunking misinformation putting more lives at risk. we'll be right back.
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a new report finds one-half of covid deaths could have been prevented if the vaccination rate had reached 100%. that's about 319,000 lives lost. the findings come from researchers at brown university. bill gates warned of the threat more than seven years ago during the ebola outbreak. he looks at what went wrong in the covid response and the lessons that can be applied going forward. please welcome bill gates. thanks for being with us. >> great to talk to you. >> we both managed to go for more than two years covid free before catching it. i got it about three weeks ago. on tuesday you tweeted you tested positive and experiencing mild symptoms. how are you doing? >> i'm very lucky. i caught it early.
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i had -- i haven't had serious symptoms at all. >> the white house warned or marked the milestone yesterday of a million covid deaths in this country. back when this started, when you and i first started speaking about this, did you think it could come to this, a million deaths? >> we knew that there was a lot we didn't know. a million would have been at the very high end. we understand estimated the new variants would be so transmissive. omicron is very hard to block the transmission. the vaccines have been the miracle but even there they don't block some amount of infection. i had four vaccines. the last one just a few weeks ago. you get these breakthrough infections that means we still have will the of transmission. millions quite horrific. >> you had your two vaccinations
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and then two booster shots, is that right? >> that's right. for people over 50 or 60, they will probably have to be boosted every six months until we get even better trying the figure this out myself, when do you get boosted again? now that you've had it. you and i had it around the same time. i've only gotten three shots total. only been boosted once. i guess we have immunity for a while. when did you decide to get boosted again? >> to be safe every six months i will probably be vaccinated. as we get more data, they might make sha that shorter for peopl or over 70 where the duration seems to be a bit lower.
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>> you and i have tried to -- i tried to ask you about what the future looks like every time i've talked to you. obviously, it's hard thing to know. given what we know now with all these variants that seem to emerge pretty regularly, is the future for much of the rest this is this thing that exists. we just have to deal with it. is that what the future of coronavirus coronavirus is. ? ? >> we probably won't have better vaccines. one of the things we should invest in to really finish this offer is longer duration, lifelong duration vaccines .
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it's tough variant came along and we don't flow know the odds that. people are tired of hearing about this pandemic and we need to keep reminding them about staying up the date on vaccinations. >> how real is that idea of a vaccine that vaccinated you from any future coronavirus? is the technology there? >> the breath of protection, we node to work on that. the duration and blocking the infection. we have a three constructs of early stage that have promise there. the vaccines are good enough we
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keep taking those in terms of severe disease and death. you have very good protection. i hope the duration would be longer but the data coming out says that if you're older, it's not good enough. you need the keep revaccinating. >> do you worry about the long covid with the infection that you got? >> long covid scenario there's a lot of research on. there's a ton of things about heart or diabetes that people are worried about there. i say we really don't know much but it does look like if you have a mild case, which i'm lucky enough to be having, that the likelihood of long covid is very low. again, it's a strong thing that if you do get covid, getting access to antivirals or
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antibodies as fast as you can is worth it. >> are you still positive now? do you know? >> today i had number of negative tests. i got the most sensitive pcr test that i'll get later tonight. looks like i've been lucky with a mild case. >> you site the incredible speed to which the vaccine was created. you rightly ly champion it. there's this paradox that the speed it was created also increased some hesitancy and i guess and has fueled these conspiracy theories. is it possible to get past that at this point? do you think people's ideas about the vaccine have already been baked in? >> the hesitancy did go down. initially it was like at 60% of the population. as they saw friends getting
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vaccinate and very rare side effects as they saw the friends being protected and the people with severe disease were overwhelmingly the unvaccinated. most people came around. the u.s. still has a lower full back -- vaccination rate. are the people open minded because it's to their ben amphefit and the people around them. i'm surprised that the u.s. has been this tough and even somewhat -- we need to be creative at how we get people to see it and hear about people they know that suffered from not fully protecting themselves. >> how do you deal with conspiracy theories? people believe you're tracking people through micro chips
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inserted into the vaccine. given what you have done to help deal and save millions of people's lives around the world for vaccinations, for polio, nearly wiping out polio. how the you deal with it when people have these idea about you? >> simple explanations are fun to click on and they seem to spread and fill some there must be rather than this complex billb biology, maybe there's this bad person behind this .
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if it's holding people back from getting vaccinated then that's tragic. >> i want to talk to you more about covid in the future. we'll talk about the thoughts on white house covid response as well. how this add mgs has been doing plus how the way we get vaccines might change. that's next. mp : three americans were found dead at a luxury resort. we'll see what most surprising with tin vest gags still under way, next. machine life can be a lot to handle. ♪ this magic moment ♪ but heinz knows there's plenty of magic in all that chaos. ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪ since i left for college, my dad has gotten back into some of his old hobbies. and now he's taking trulicity, and it looks like he's gotten into some new healthier habits, too. what changes are you making for your te 2 diabetes? maybe it's time to tr. it's proven to help lower a1c.
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. we're back. bill gates new book is called "how to prevent the next pandemic." i want to talk about manager i heard you say to fareed zakaria. it's been seized on by the covid denier crowd. you were talking about a meeting you had with experts in your foundation. i want to play what you said to fareed on stage to the why and have you address it. >> at that point we didn't really understand the fatality rate. we didn't understand that it's a fairly low fatality rate and that it's a disease mainly of the elderly. >> your critics posted this as evidence they were right all along that covid is like the
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flu. >> with flu we had vaccines for long time. we have preexisting immunity. covid is killed a million americans and flu hasn't done anything like that. you had a completely naive pop you lag. the measures we took limited it to a million. if you just continued to go out and behave normally, the number would be dramatically higher than that. >> if there had not been a vaccine, do you have a sense of what the numbers would have been now that we know how quickly it can spread in some form? >> yeah, at this point you would be closer to 1.5, 1.6 if you didn't have the vaccines. the vaccines have saved a lot of lives and we can make even better vaccines but wow, the
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speed with which they were developed is a lot of heroes in that story. >> he's not provided the data to back that up publicly. they calling it into question and some are saying is he playing politics with data while the administration is fighting for more covid funding. do you agree with that projection? >> that is on the hee end to me. we need to be weary. just because people are tired of this thing doesn't mean it's tired of us. it will be cases where we have more transmiss ifr variants. the easiest thing to do would be to get the vak si naegs boosting up to very high numbers and test and treat where you get other per putices and so that the
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death rate gets way down and we don't have to do more than that. the fact people want to forget this thing is not time for that. >> are enough people who test positive getting pax. >> you have to be testing enough that you see it early. fst very beneficial early in the disease. if you feel symptoms at all, you know you definitely need get tested and immediately it is available in the united states. our foundation is doing lot of work to try to get it in to all countries. here it's in quite available. >> you have to take within the first 48 hours. >> if you test, depends on when you catch your infection. if you catch your enfeinfection
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really early, you should take it right away. >> how optimistic are you about and what else needs to be done for moving forward? >> we need to bring there pandemic to an end. you've seen the tools we have today. we need to look at trying to stop future outbreaks from going global like this and build a team that's well funded and well trained to do that. we need a will the of to have better tools. it took a year to get a vaccine. let's have better tools and therapeutics quickly.
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michael and his wife, robbie phillips, were from tennessee. their agency was fooled by the the sand resorts. the two couple were not vacations together. the phillips were staying at emerald bay. both shared a common wall and had separate entrances. police say the couples ate at separate restaurants and settled in for the evening. >> that night police say both couples were not feeling well. they felt so sick, they had to be treated at a local medical facility. their symptoms included nausea and vomiting. at one point they felt well enough they could return here at the resort. >> the next morning police got an emergency call from the staff here at sandal saying they found
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an unresponsive male in one of these villas and another call saying the staff found another unresponsive male and female in a second villa located the next door. his wife was alive and transported to the hospital in miami where as of monday she was in fair condition. her son said this, she woke up and my dad playing there on the floor and her legs and arms were swollen. she screamed to get someone to come in the door. police found michael phillips slumped againsts the bathroom floor. both pronounced dead. the question is what happened? police say foul play is not suspected and they say the deceased show no signs of trauma. two of them did show signs of convulsions.
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>> it is sad. a scary mystery. >> reporter: this woman says she used to work at sandal as a housekeeper for five years. she did not want to use her name or show her face because she still has family and friends who work there. >> reporter: what do you think happened? >> i don't think it is food poisoning. if it is food poisoning then the whole sandal would have been sick, not just the four guests. whatever happened, they're using one heater and one ac. >> reporter: investigators collected several samples to determine if any chemicals were present. when asked if poisoning could have been a factor at one of these villas or pesticides could have played a role. the police force spokesperson referred to comments the commissioner had made at a press conference earlier this week. >> we have collected several
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samples from the pharmacy and the forensic examination should be able to help us determine what type of chemical or whatever it was. we are they would be able to answer it for us. >> reporter: a form eer sandal keeper told us she was surprised sandal is still open. while we were there, resort guests appeared to be staying at the villas near where the phillips and the chiaerellas ha stay. >> reporter: sandals could not disclose more information, information to families and now waiting on. michael phillips' daughter said this. their hearts are broken and full of hope.
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we know our mom and dad are experiencing the fullest of joy and heavenly father's presence. >> that's a good question simply because there is been a lot of publicity surrounding all of this, anderson, that could supply some pressure so that might speeds something up here. again, there was the autopsies, those were performed on monday. officials are still waiting for toxicology and methodology reports to come back. all is said and done, it could be weeks before they have an official cause. >> appreciate it. thank you, we'll turn to the war in ukraine. the first war crime trial gets underway, a soldier in custody, next.
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howitzers sent. our guys know the price of our artillery. this is a high precision, effective weapons together to victory. u.s. defense official said that ukrainian artillery frustrating efforts to advance in the donbas. almost 20,000 soldiers are now dead. a number cnn can't confirm. he said six more settlements liberated in the past, 24 hours, more than a thousand since the war began. we have james clapper on the special phone call of 84 days in the making
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