investigation by the south ern district of new york that he once led. every word rudy giuliani said can be used against him like the fifth amendment warning. it's possible he took the fifth to some questions but no way he was in there for nine hours ask did nothing but take the fifth for nine hours. it's certain he did answer some of the questions. >> mark, look, rudy giuliani was a ringleader in the push to overturn the election. he pushed crazy conspiracy theories like? >> you're actually seriously going to want me to take seriously the secretary of state of michigan when michigan -- when the secretary of the state of michigan never bothered to find out the votes in her state were being counted in germany by a venezuela company? >> i mean, mark, he told so many lies about the election.

so why should anyone think he's telling the truth now? >> well, they shouldn't. to your point, he's the lead conspirator on the big lie and was cleared that he did everything in his power, simply, to just throw anything against the wall that they hoped would stick. and what's remarkable is how much they threw against the wall and how little stuck, literally nothing stuck after countless court cases, countless audits, we now know after two years, there is zero evidence supporting the notion there was any wide spread votertrarycontr more votes for joe biden. to your point, this is a guy who is in the middle, the tip of the spear, leading the charge on the january 6th. it's a very important development and i'm glad you have ellie on to parse the legal

implications for it because he is the guy with the real legal crystal ball. >> yeah, you said not much stock. the only place that it did stick was in the court of maga conspiracy or court of maga delusion. >> very effectively, actually, yeah. >> right. >> ron, the subpoena says giuliani was in contact with trump and members of congress about strategies to delay the overturn of the 2020 election. what do you think? is he naming names here? >> well, i don't know. i don't think we know what he's doing but i think the big revelation that so far in the overall ark of the january 6th committee is that we're learning it wasn't just throwing stuff against the wall and hair die dripping down your face and a show. that there was a serious coordinated effort with the vision of how to overturn this election by encouraging state legislatures to intervene and local officials to intervene in a way that would allow

supporters in congress to delay certification and reopen the whole thing. i mean, this was not just kind of, you know, flailing roman candle firing off. there was a serious effort and as mark was saying, you know, 70% of republicans in the last cnn poll said they believe -- the last time cnn asked said they believe the election is stolen. that's real world ramifications in who is getting nominated in almost every competitive state for 2024, there are republicans being nominated who will have control over administration of the election and are adhering and accolades of the big lie. there are big consequences to what unfolded in 2020 and the republican party to this day. >> you point out something interesting, the committee can put out the facts but ultimately, this will come down to the doj. do you think they will do something about this evidence? >> well, that is the big

question, don. it's really important to remember. all the committee can do in the end is put on the hearings that we're going to start seeing and put out their report and that's it. they're congress. they can issue findings and find facts and that's part of the historical record and that matters. if people are concerned about real consequences that will fall to doj. the fact rudy chose to testify today for nine hours when he could have just taken the fifth across the board but suggests te rudy doesn't fear anything the doj has in store. if you're a rational person and believe that doj was seriously criminally investigating the people closest to donald trump for their role in this coup attempt as mark and ron laid out, he was the central figure, you would clam up and take the fifth in a second. the fact he testified shows he's brazen and unafraid whether he's right or wrong i guess we'll see. >> let's talk about current elections now. and the ones upon us.

we're days away from some key primary races including georgia. david purdue is trailing pence's pick, kemp, by more than 30 points. of course, he'll try to spin it, right, how big of a blow is this to the former president mark? >> well, huge. i mean, i think in terms of all the endorsements and people that he wanted to take down across the country, that the governor of georgia brian kemp was number one on the list because he felt that -- you know, he called georgia to try to get the exact number of votes back to turn georgia back and kemp and secretary of state raffensperger refused and followed the law to their credit, this is the one scout that trump really wanted and is failing miserably

interestingly and you know, backed a former u.s. senator david purdue so i think people thought purdue had a pretty good shot with trump's endorsement. this with all the endorsements of the election cycle will be the most de svastating for dona trump. >> raffensperger. >> go on. say again. >> look, trump over played his hand in georgia. you know, among other problems. he endorsed so many candidates that he generated i've talked to republicans down there. he said look, even people who basic maga in policy and have questions about the election feel he was coming in and going after all of their candidates. he endorsed governor candidate, lieutenant governor, secretary of state attorney general. he's not going to win attorney general but might win the lieutenant governor candidate and there is a very reasonable chance that brad raffensperger will be pushed to a run off by the representative jody heist who says the election was rigged, trump would have won

georgia if it was a fair election and in a runoff, he could lose. donald trump is not going to win every race that he endorsed. no political leader ever does that but steadily, don, in a lot of states, in nevada, in colorado, in arizona, in minnesota, in michigan, in geor georgia, republicans that are advocates of the big lie are winning nominations for positions with control and influence over administration of the 2024 election, attorney general, secretary of state in wisconsin and this is a crisis that is rolling toward us in slow motion i don't think americans are fully focused on the implications of people advocating the big lie controlling how elections are conducted and votes are counted in the next presidential race. >> you have put your finger -- you spoke up for really the most i think important thing obviously centered around voting rights but what you just said is something that all americans should be paying attention to

and i don't think we're paying enough attention to as you said there. ellie, in the middle of these critical georgia races there is a criminal grand jury in the state hearing evidence against donald trump. explain what is at stake here. >> yeah, don, so the d.a. in fulton county, the atlanta area said she's not going to start putting witnesses in the grand jury until after the primary because prosecutors don't want to influence elections but when this primary is over, we'll learn on a regular basis who is getting subpoenaed and going into the grand jury. we hear about grand jury secrecy. the grand jury operates in secret but that only applies to the prosecutors and grand jurors themselves and the staff, the court reporter. the witnesses that go in there are free to come out and say hey, i just testified. here is what i was asked. here is what i said. we, the media, are free to have people standing there looking who is going in the grand jury.

we'll know who is getting called into the grand jury and will give us a real good indicator where this investigation is heading and if it might result in indictment of donald trump or other people involved in the effort to steal that election in georgia. >> mark, the thing that affects people the most right, the economy, there is a dow having the longest weekly losing streak in nearly a century. not just the markets. americans are panicking. how can democrats win in this kind of environment? >> well, it's tough. john mccain used to say, it's darkness before it goes completely black. [ laughter ] >> it's completely black for democrats. the good news is they've got about six months left but i'll put a quick point on what ron said. this is part of what democrats have to reinforce is just the nature of what is going on right here and the very specific strategy republicans had to wire these elections as ron said, including and especially the

election last week of the nomination of doug, the governor for the candidate in pennsylvania, which we know is a key state and in that state, he appointments the secretary of state and so we know that's a key swing state and if he's indeed elected, we know what he's going to do in 2024 because we have to look what he's done already, show up at the capitol for the insurrection. that's the thing democrats have to really double down on and make clear this is not just about, you know, food on our table, which of course is important but about absolutely retaining our fend mental rights and democracy. >> right on. thank you-all. i appreciate it. 98 five days. 98 five days. that's how long a former u.s. marine was imprisoned in russia under inhumane conditions. now he's speaking exclusively to cnn's jake tapper. >> and a lot of people are not going to like what i'm going to say about this but i kind of

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>> and now a cnn exclusive. marine veteran trever reed speaking out for the first time since his release from a russian prison. here is part of what he told jake tapper about his nearly three-year nightmare. >> what was the worst conditions that you had, that you experienced during that time? >> the psychiatric treatment

facility, i was in there with seven other prisoners in the cell. they all had severe serious psychological health issues. most of them, over 50% were in there for murder or like multiple murders, sexual assault and murder, just really disturbed individuals and inside of that cell, you know, that was not a good place. there is blood all over the walls there where prisoners had killed themselves or killed other prisoners or attempted to do that. the toilet is just a hole in the floor and there is, you know, crap everywhere all over the floor, on the walls. there is people in there also that walk around that look like zom zombies. >> were you afraid for your life? >> i mean, i did not sleep there for a couple days. so i was too worried about, you

know, who was in the cell with me to actually sleep. >> you thought they might kill you? >> yeah, i thought that was a possibility. >> wow. well, joining me now is the former governor of new mexico and former ambassador to the union bill richardson that traveled to moscow just before the war in ukraine to help secure trever reed's release. thank you governor richardson, appreciate you joining us. man, it's awful the conditions there. what trever was describing, horrifying, obviously, when you were trying to get him released, did you have any idea that he was dealing with these kinds of conditions? >> well, yes, it became public trever very courageous young man, we have talked to his parents, you know, the u.s. service in moscow had been talking to him. we knew he had tuberculosis. he had been on a hunger strike. the conditions in those prisons are not good, but what was key

here in trever's release is one that this became very public, that the russians recognize they did not want this young man to suffer or possibly die in that prison. and then his parents and you've interviewed them, made a big public case with the president who then allowed a trade or a prisoner exchange with shanko, a russian prisoner in u.s. prisons and that got trever released, but there is another marine there named wheelin we have to get out, too, don. >> right on. let's play a bit more from jake's interview. >> this isn't my last word whenever i was being sentenced. i said, i understand in this country that pleading guilty may lead to you having a shorter sentence but i think it would be unethical and immoral to plead guilty to a crime that i truly

did not commit and if i'm going to be given a prison sentence, i would rather stay in prison an honest man that walk away tomorrow a liar and a coward. >> that's a remarkable thing to tell a russian court. >> yeah, and that's truly what i believe. if i would have had to sit there for ten years, for 20 years, it doesn't matter how long or what the punishment would be. i was not going to compromise, you know, my morals and plead guilty to a crime that i didn't commit. i think that's unethical, and to me, the consequences of doing that didn't matter. >> incredible. after everything he's been through, he still stands by

those words. >> well, i think he was wrongfully detained, and our government said that. wrongfully detained. he's a political -- he was a political pawn. he was a bargaining chip like brittney griner who probably this vaping accusation is suspect, the same with paul wheelen who according to russian courts was a spy. it's not the case. they were bargaining chips. and the russians wanted something in return and so i think the good news here is the fact that despite the huge differences between the united states and russia and ukraine and nuclear weapons, that, you know, we're able to work out through a prisoner exchange the release of trever reed. this is what i think this is good for brittney griner and for paul wheelen but let's not forget wheelen the marine. brittney griner, major figure, a

huge profile but this marine has been there a long time. paul wheelen and we got to get him out, too. >> uh-huh. trever reed told jake that the u.s. needs to do whatever it takes to free those americans that are illegally imprisoned overseas and some of whom you've mentioned. he really struggled with the fact that paul wheelen didn't come home, as well. do you think trever's release might help get -- do you think it will help get wheelen out and brittney griner? >> i think so. it means the russians are ready to deal. the u.s. government is ready to deal but it will take something in return, some kind of prisoner exchange, some kind of swap. the russians want parody and that's what it's going to take. you know, administration that has a track to proceed with trying to get bri brittney grin and wheelen out. we have one track and they have another.

three of us trying to do it, administration has 300 or 3,000, fine. we got to get them out, don, both of them. i think it looks reasonably good because trever reed got out despite all this war that's going on, these huge geopolitical differences so i'm an optimist. >> i want to get your take on the north korean's missile test hanging over biden's trip to asia. how should the u.s. respond if this happens? >> i think administration is responding correctly. sort of benign neglect. i dealt with the north koreans for years. they want attention. all the attention is on russia and ukraine. on other issues. they have all these missile tests, which usually means hey, we're here, we need attention, and maybe they're ready to negotiate. they have a huge outbreak of covid, and i think the international community, despite

the hostile regime has to help these millions of people that may be infected so i think administration is right, the president going to asia, he was going to reset asia is our most important region, well, that's been a problem because we have this russia ukraine situation, the challenge of china, you know, we have to -- we have a lot of allieyies in asia and th north korea issue. japan and south korea. we're watching north korea. we said we're ready to talk to them without preconditions. that's good. it's benign neglect not getting too agitated by their missile test. i think it's the right policy for now. >> governor richardson, always a pleasure. thank you. >> all right. buddy. take care. >> yeah, good luck with getting the rest of those folks home. appreciate it. thanks so much. be sure to check out jake's interview with trever reed finally home the trever reed

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so the republican senate primary in pennsylvania is still too close to call. election officials still

counting votes, right now celebrity doctor oz holds a slim lead over david mccormick. whoever ultimately wins will face-off against john fetterman still in the hospital one week after suffering a stroke. org originally we were told he would be discharged today and now that's not happening. let's discuss. dr. jonathan reiner is here. listen, this is serious stuff, right? this is a ser yoious health iss. the question is it normal for a patient to remain in the hospital a week after a stroke? >> well after a big stroke, sure. we were told -- well, there are a couple things that are abnormal and unusual about mr. fett fetterman's condition. we told his stroke was aborted by the therapy he received and a video leased by the family shows

mr. fetterman looking fairly good so it surprising if this was just management of the stroke he'd still be in the hospital. and then there was a second very unusual occurrence, which was on election day, mr. fetterman received a defibrillator, which is almost unheard of in the days following a stroke. defibrillators are used in folks are felt to be at high risk of cardiac arrest or who have extremely weakened heart muscle and the timing relative to his stroke is striking. this would often be delayed for weeks or even months to let him recover from the stroke. so there are issues which haven't been disclosed to the public but there is more there. >> yeah. there is more -- and i'm sure you don't want to go into -- i'm sure numerous issues, right? issues that could be there.

>> right. look, what -- i obviously don't know. i'm not privy to mr. fetterman's medical history but these two issues, one would not implant a defibrillator unless he had quite extensive heart disease and his stay in the hospital for more than a week is unusual and what i would recommend to mr. fetterman and his people is just have your -- have his physicians come out and talk to the press and explain what is going on. i don't think there are really many medical conditions, other than some psychiatric conditions that should or could preclude a candidate for running for any office, even the highest office but i think voters who are voting for him in pennsylvania should really have a candid explanation why he's been in the hospital so long. >> but you don't think this

impacts his ability to serve? tell me about that. >> if he has extensive heart disease, we have remarkable therapeutics both in terms of devices and procedures and drugs, which can go a long way to strengthen the heart. i cared for dick cheney, former vice president ch cheney for ei years while he was vice president during war and he came to the office having had about five prior heart attacks and over the course of decades. we're not looking, you know, to -- this is not like screening astronauts and we're not spinning them around and looking for perfect physical specimen. we're looking for people with the intellect and character to do a job even if they have preexisting medical issues. our, you know, national constitution, our state

constitutions provide for succession could a candidate get sick or die but i do think the public should understand what a candidate is facing so that they can help inform their decision but again, the lack of candor i think raises a lot of unnecessary questions. the truth is the truth, and the public will understand that mr. fetterman is human but the sort of -- this cloak of secrecy becomes a bit disturbing after awhile. >> thank you, doctor. appreciate you joining. >> my pleasure. tiger woods rebounding in the second round of the pga championship to make the cut. christine brennan is here to talk to us about it. that's next. [lazer beam and sizzling sounds] ♪

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the choice for attorney general is clear. democrat rob bonta has a passion for justice and standing up for our rights. bonta is laser focused on protecting the right to vote and defending obamacare. but what's republican eric early's passion? early wants to bring trump-style investigations on election fraud to california, and early says he'll end obamacare and guard against the growing socialist communist threat. eric early. too extreme, too conservative for california. rosy: it's the parent-teacher partnership that really makes a difference. ingrid: they know that their children are coming to a safe place. they're coming to a place where they'll be loved. kiyoko: we have a strong community of people that all look out for each other. we're all kind of taking care of the children. rosy: janitors, the teachers, the office staff.

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i know when they're good and looks good. thank you for joining. appreciate it. tiger is always captivating us. what's he going to do? how is he going to place? close to fin nishing the cut bu you say he's got the fight in him. how did he do? how does he do it? >> this is an amazing story. tiger has been an an mazing story for 25 years and when he thought he tragically, unfortunately might be finished after the terrible car crash not even 15 months ago and his leg was shattered and he thought he might lose the leg and there are pins and rods and plates in the leg. the fascinating story continues. this time it's not necessarily about winning. he's tied for 53rd. he's 12 shots behind the leader. so no one is saying he's going to win this golf tournament but just fighting to make the cut. what we see here is we've known he's a great talent, great

golfer, of course, for did he recollect -- decades. we're seeing the grit, the fight, the desire. a 46-year-old man that won it all still trying to better himself and in this case, make the cut. that is admirable and frankly fascinating. >> look, i say that for the -- because i'm an old guy, for the older guys. i'm here for it. listen, you said that, you know, this doesn't put him in the top but you say 56, right, that he finished? 56. >> yeah. >> can you compare today to his performance at the masters earlier this year? are we seeing progress? >> these are the first two men's majors. the masters was in april and now the pga championship and there is 3progress. tiger started out well at the masters and worst score 71, 74, 78, 78. his leg was killing him. you could see the grimace on his face. he looked miserable.

it was brutal for him to walk the hills of augusta national for four days. already here, we're seeing a five-stroke difference. he shot 74, 4 over par on thursday and as you said, he shot 69, 1 under par today. five streaks okes better. the leg is still a problem. he has to ice it every night. what he has to do, don, to get himself premiered for each round of golf is something 22-year-old tiger woods would have never dreamed. it means it's a good thing. he's better this time. he's playing better in the second round than he did the first round. >> so he almost lost his leg in that car accident and so, you know, he's having to do all of this to prepare to play every single day and as you said, that should not be discounted. what he has to do most of the plays, if not all of them, they don't have to do that to play. >> well, that's right and at the

malsers, i was-- masters, i wase covering him. he used to be tough and abrupt and the greatest golfer in the world and arrogant and confident and that's okay, that happens with athletes. now he's much more appreciative of what he has and of what he's trying to get back and talked extensively about the hours of ice baths with his leg. again, he almost lost a leg and it's absolutely shattered. it will never be the same. and so for him to go and win major tournaments again, who knows. it's tiger woods. i'd say it pretty unlikely but i'll never say never with him. i've covered him too long. what he's doing now, i'm sure there is an ice bath, ice all over his leg trying to get the swelling down to get ready to play tomorrow. >> you just answered my next question. the third round begins tomorrow. so chances of winning? i mean, does he have any chance

of winning? >> doesn't have to be a lot of players, dozens of players making bad mistakes, all of them and that's unlikely for the best in the world. that would be one of the great sports stories of all time if he came back and win. that's not really the conversation, don. it's the fact that this man has it all and we've seen forever and has grown up in front of our eyes is still trying and fighting and still has this incredible desire to be better the next day than the previous day. and that is so admirable for an athlete and not easy for him. he's used to playing great. he's not used to fighting to make the cut and now here we are talking about him for making the cut but he's kind of lowered expectations and has goals that are different for him and again, how amazing is that to see tiger woods adapt at this point in his life? >> he's already iconic, right? if he does well, that just adds, right, to his lure.

inside the goaling community, though, is he perceived as an i icon? how is he perceived now? >> he is. he's been one of the two best ever jack nicklaus or tiger but you hit on something there, the humanity of tiger woods. we never thought of him has human. he was other worldly. he was incredible when he came on the scene winning the masters in '97 and kept winning majors and looked like he was just perfection and now he has to deal with adversity. we're seeing a different tiger woods and frankly, a more likable tiger woods and i think that's why people are fascinated by him. >> i said lure, i should have said allure. thank you. have a great weekend. appreciate it. >> thank you, don, you, too. federal judge blocking the trump administration from liftli -- biden administration from lifting a pandemic restriction,

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hello, and welcome to our viewers here in the united states and all around the world. i'm paula newton. joe biden is working to strengthen ties right across asia this hour hoping to reassure longtime allies about washington's resolve in the region with north korea watching closely. voters are at the polls this hour in australia with climate and the economy among the top issues . we do begin in south korea this hour where the u.s. president has a full day planned on his first trip to asia as commander in chief. any moment now joe biden will begin the second day of his visit with the wreath-laying