. >> i am trying to handle it here. this is not the place to do that. >> this will continue to happen. somebody needs to stand up for the children of the state or they will continue to be killed just like they were killed in uvalde yesterday. >> what do you think, mayor? do you agree with what he did or do you think it was mistake to confront officials who were updating the public on investigation? >> i applaud beto o'rourke. and let me tell you why, don. 19 of our children are dead. 19. two other adults. in 2019, in the state of texas, the legislature raised the age

to purchase tobacco in texas to 21. and in 2021, the texas legislature lowered the able to purchase guns to 18. this individual who killed 19 of our children a day ago was 18 when he went and purchased those weapons. and that's because the legislature lowered the age in the state of texas. and so if we don't stand up for our kids, it happened in uvalde, but these are our children. if we don't protect them, who will? and the legislature passed house bill 1927, talking about the texas legislature, that now permits permitless carry. no training. no license. no permit required. lowered the age by which people

can purchase assault weapons to 18, and now 19 of our babies are gone. and families will be hurting for the rest of their lives. i applaud what beto o'rourke did. the time to be nuanced is over, okay? and you can't not allow policymakers, legislatures, governors to pass bills that promote the use of guns and then when people are killed say we are praying and we are offer our condolences as if they are not responsible. so, no, the time is now for people, for voters, for people like beto o'rourke, myself and others, republicans alike, to stand up and say this is crazy. enough is enough. i applaud him. others ought to do the same. >> mayor sylvester turner, the city of houston, the great city of houston, thank you. i appreciate you joining us. thank you.

>> thanks, don. >> let me say this. i have two people i will get to in a moment, linda beagle shulman and neil. linda lost -- she is a mother of a parkland shooting victim and neil a father of sandy hook victim jesse lewis. they were listening to what the mayor said about beto o'rourke. i am going to get their response in a moment, what they thought at that moment and what they think of what's happening now. so please they are standing by patiently. thank you and we will join you in a moment. i want to bring in our reporters on the scene. boris sanchez in uvalde and evan perez in washington, d.c. good evening. boris, investigators say up to an hour passed between the time the shooter got to the school and when he was neutralized. what is the latest on this timeline? >> reporter: don, investigators are still trying to piece together exactly what happened throughout the 60 minutes on tuesday here at robb elementary school. what we learned a short time ago

was that there was a lull in the action. apparently, when the shooter entered the school he immediately started shooting at students and teachers and then right after law enforcement arrived he engaged with them in a standoff. there was gunfire exchanged, but then officials say he stopped and barricaded himself. that allowed them to evacuate students from other parts of the school and slowly encircle him. according to an official, that lull in the action lasted roughly half an hour. soon after that officials were able to encircle the shooter and neutralize him. >> evan perez, do we know if they have surveillance footage from inside and outside the school? >> reporter: that's one of the things that the fbi is helping the rangers put all of this together, don. we know that they are -- there is believed to be footage from inside and from outside. they went to some of the neighbors to see if their -- perhaps they have ring cameras

or other surveillance camera footage they could use to help put together the timeline that boris is trying -- was just referring to because, again, a lot of this is still in flux. we don't know fully how this all went down yesterday. >> and texas authorities are saying that an officer initially engaged with the shooter but the officer did not open fire. at this moment do we know why not? >> we don't. and that's one of the things that i think -- i think you were hearing a little bit of frustration from some of the families down there to understand exactly how this happened, how did this shooter get into the school. you know, standard practice for a lot of schools is to have the doors locked. he was able to enter through a back door. if there was a school resource officer who confronted him or who tried to intervene, it appears that no shots were fired by that officer. but it appears also, don, that this gunman was able to go in

and start firing very quickly at the officers that immediately responded to the scene. >> boris, there are too many families grieving the loss of loved ones tonight. what are you learning about the victims of this terrible massacre? >> don, there is no question that the light in this community has dimmed. the people are in shock and in mourning as they get a clearer picture of exactly who was lost here at robb elementary school. most of them no older than 10 years old. 21 lives brutally cut short. 21 families now shattered by an act of violence all too common in the united states. 19 children now gone, just days before the start of summer break. none yet out of fourth grade. like 10-year-old uziyah garcia, whose uncle calls him a great kid and full of life. he loved video games and anything with wheels. his grandfather, manny renfro,

calling his grandson the sweetest boy he's known. telling ksat he played football with u zaya, he was fast, could catch well and remembered all the routes they could practice. a am amerry joe garza. >> she was hysterical, saying they shot her best friend, killed her best friend, she is not breathing, she was trying to call the cops. i asked the little girl the name and she -- and she told me amerie. i look at this girl and -- half yir lopez, 10, was expected to start middle school. his mom told "the washington post" he was recognize inside an honor roll ceremony only hours before the unthinkable. she said she would never forget

his mile. quote, he was funny, never serious. jose florida es jr., his father telling cnn he was an amazing kid. always full of energy, he loved baseball and video games. alexandria aniah rubio, lexi, had just received an award for the honor roll the morning of the shooting. lexi's parents describe her as kind and sweet with a big future ahead. they tell cnn she loved basketball and wanted to go to law school. her mother, kimberly rubio, posted this to facebook. quote, my beautiful smart alexandria received the good citizen award. we told her we loved her and would pick her up after school. we had no idea this was goodbye. and fourth grade teacher evan mireles, me her love of running

hiking and spending time with family. a family that includes a college graduate daughter. a gut-wrenching tribute to her mother calling her a hero, detailing how she tried to save the lives of her students by jumping in front of them. >> she was a vivacious soul. she spread laughter and joy everywhere she went. she was a loving and caring mom, relative, teacher to her students. >> the second adult, another teacher, irma garcia, was finishing her 23rd year of teaching. her school biography says she and her husband joe were married for 24 years and had four kids together. she loved to barbecue and listen to music. >> the teacher irma garcia was a year below me in school. i known her probably 30 years, 25 years. >> reporter: at least 17 others wounded. university hospital in san

antonio is still caring for four victims. three children and one 66-year-old woman. the shooter's grandmother listed in serious condition. officials say the gunman shot her in the face before he ran into school and began his shooting rampage. >> not here. but it is happening here. big town, big community you think. small town like uvalde? >> reporter: and, don, in the last few moments cnn has been able to confirm the identities of four more victims. one of them annabell guadalupe rodriguez, 10 years old, a third grader. her family says she was in class with her cousin who was apparently also killed in the shooting. there is eliahana elie garcia, 9 years old. she loved basketball and

cheerleading and dreamed of one day becoming a teacher. we have also confirmed that tess marie mata, 10 years old. her family says she loved ariaa grande and was saving money to take her family to diz if any world. and eliahana cruz torres, 10 years old, her family telling cnn, quote, our baby earned her wings. don. >> thank you. thank you, thank you. appreciate it. i want to turn to two people who understand the heartbreak these families, the 21 victims are experiencing tonight. linda is a mother of scott, the teacher at majority leader chuck schumer in parkland, florida, who died trying to protect his students. neil is the father of jesse lewis, when was 6 years old when he was shot and killed by a gunman at sandy hook elementary

school. so grateful that you guys are here. this is -- you can't get through this. what do you want to say? >> i just -- i just watched and you applaud mayor turner. i applaud him. and you asked about beto o'rourke before. i applaud him as well. because somebody has to stand up to these people. they said that this gunman, they said this gunman acted alone. he did not. this gunman acted with the nra, acted with mayor -- with governor abbott, excuse me. acted with lieutenant governor, i believe his name is patrick. acted with the texas attorney general paxton. acted with ted cruz, mitch mcconnell, okay? the rest of the republican

senate. they all acted with him. texas has not passed one gun safety law, has not even discussed it. we are not talking about gun control. you know that. you know, don, we are talking about gun safety. and these people are right behind all of those -- they are literally like the arsonists sitting and watching these kids get murdered. arsonists, don't they sit and watch something burn? they are watching these kids get murdered and doing nothing. giving thoughts and prayers. b.s. to thoughts and prayers. i am so riddled with anger, you have no idea. i mean, the tears come. i watch. i just watched them talk about all these kids. don't they care? are they ever going to care? this is not new for me. i don't re-live scott's murder

when i see this. i live scott's murder every single day of my life. there is not a day in my life that i don't hear that police officer say, when we were in the command center, 1562 days ago, you know, linda, your son was a hero. but he didn't make it. these people, these people, these families, the whole town, they are going through this. they did not have to go through this, but they are going through this, and they are probably still in shock because the worst is yet to come. they have to bear -- they are burying their kids. that family is burying their mothers or their fathers. they are burying them. i mean, this is not, oh, today's news. this is every day's news. somebody said to me, one reporter said to me yesterday, would you give -- would you give a news -- would you give an

interview? i said i need to process this. i need to breathe. i need to process this. i said, you know what? but it's today's news. are you serious? are we really becoming that normalized to this? it's ridiculous. watch this. i cry. how you not cry? >> neil? >> well, it is heartbreaking to see it. it happened so frequently. it's become normal in this country and it's wrong and we have come to accept that it's going to happen over and over again. there is definitely room for stronger laws. when it comes to guns without talking or banning weapons.

background checks. there is a lot more that we can improve on. for me, seeing what happened in texas, it was almost a play back of what happened in sandy hook. the shooting, the grandmother, the young children, the te teachers. and it opened up a lot of wounds again for me. i can't help think what these families are going to go through. they are planning -- i feel guilty sitting here doing an interview because i feel it's something that it's important, but these individuals that are -- lost their lives in texas, their families are -- they are burying them now.

they are not even -- and we're, you know, i'm suting here thinking about what they're going to go through. you know, i remember so clearly planning jesse's funeral, walking in that funeral home thinking to myself, how am i ever going to do this? how can i afford this? how can i -- i have to find -- we have to find a plot to bury him. you know, it's things like that that we -- you never hear about. we have these mass shootings and tragedies, it becomes politicized right away. these families and this community, their lives have changed forever. they need support. they need the help. >> can i ask you about something

that sitting here last night, i couldn't imagine it, i kept saying this isn't about me, but i kept saying there aren't any words. you know what i was thinking? that there were people who were still there probably hoping that their kid was still alive, right? that their loved one was still alive, maybe hiding in a safe place. that's over. >> you know, don, you said that and i saw a news clip of people waiting like you just said, and that brought back the night i was waiting at the firehouse. i never gave up hope that jesse was alive, that he survived somehow. i always had that hope, that 1% chance. >> i did the same. i did the same as you is. they took us to a command center

like we were at a firehouse. >> i remember sitting there and the gentleman sat down across from me and asked me how i'm doing and started rambling on. and i said to him, who in the hell are you? just like that to him. and it was governor malloy. and i'm like it blew my mind. it just -- and i am rehashing all this and thinking that there is people there doing -- sitting in the same spot in a different community that i was today, tomorrow they'll be at a funeral home, sadly, planning a burial. and everybody wants to help and

support and reach out to the community. i couldn't help but think of what the aftermath at a tragedy in sandy hook, what we went through, all these donations came into that community, and instantly groups and organizations stood up and were exploiting that tragedy, raising donations. and they had no intent, there was no plans of those funds going where they needed to go. and that one organization was the united way. i have no problem calling them out on it. and it was a long battle before a small portion of that went to the people who needed it. i see they are going to have to deal with that. >> i want to ask you something. i think you said something that was very important. most people in this country, when it comes to gun

legislation, that is somewhere in the middle. they are not on the extremes. >> nope. >> and i had someone on earlier. i didn't want to correct the gentleman because he is there in uvalde. but one side wants to take all the guns away and the other side wants complete just, you know, no restrictions at all. now, to be quite honest, i don't know of any one who wants to take all guns away. i never heard feven the left exist of the left, the most progressive, that all guns should be taken away. i think most people are somewhere in the middle. but then you have the extremes on the right. and if you heard the mayor, sylvester turner, they are making the hurdle even lower. lowering the bar to be able to get guns. raising the bar for alcohol and for tobacco and for, you know, when i was a kid in louisiana, it was 15 to get a driver's license. now it's 16 or 17 or 18.

raising it for that. what gives here? someone who is -- who believes in the second amendment, what would you like to see from our lawmakers? >> well, i'm ten years into this. ten-year anniversary is coming up. i think we definitely need better background checks. the mental health definitely needs to be addressed. you know, even if you had a ban on weapons, certain types of weapons. individuals that are going to commit these mass shootings, these mass murders, if they couldn't legally purchase that weapon going into a sporting goods store or gun store, they are going to go to another resource. they are going to buy these guns off the street.

they come through the iron pipeline. they've come from down south, the gun shows. >> i know. i lived in illinois. that's the reason, big reason for what is hang in schik. >> you know, there was some laws that changed with the background checks for private individuals selling guns at the gun shows. but for many years individuals could go to states that, yes, out in illinois. they used to have -- >> we need uniformity. and i agree with you. we need background checks and uniformity around the united states. listen, i am so glad that both of you are here and i am glad you got to talk about this. i am glad we talked about the outrage, the heartbreak, the legislation that we need. >> we do need into. we need federal background checks. we need federal red flag laws.

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so less than two weeks after the racist shooting at a buffalo supermarket left ten people dead, america is in mourning again, 19 small children, two adults killed in uvalde, texas. what is happening right now in america with presidential historian jon meacham. appreciate you joining us. thank you. i wish i could see you under better circumstances. this cycle of violence seems never ending. you hear the pain in the people's voices. so many parents sent their kids off to school and they are wondering if they are safe this morning, sending kids off to school. are we doomed for this to be america's new reality? >> we're not doomed, but we have to step up. we have to acknowledge reality. we cannot fall into the pattern of reflexively partisan views of

this -- i don't want to call it unimagi unimaginable because it's all too imaginable. i don't want to call it unspeakable because we have to speak about it. because this should not stand. this should not be a normal thing in the united states of america or anywhere. and the fact that there is this relentless and unflinching view on the right that guns are somehow sacrosanct, that they are genuinely sacred, they are not part of a real world, they are holy objects, that's idolatry. and it is costing the lives of our children. and, look, cliche alert here, i own guns. i shoot birds, not very well.

i give up all of that. i would -- there is not a reason in the world to want the kind of gun that was used in this shooting and in so many others except to do shootings like this. it's just -- there is no other rational explanation. and some i optimistic? no. but i do live in hope because i do know that human beings have the capacity to recognize truth and to amend their ways, but they are not going to do it unless enough of us insist that it be done. a final quick point. that wonderful line, i think we have talked about it before, from theodore parker that dr. king used about the arc of a moral universe being long, but it bends towards justice. a lot of times that quotation is used to sort of sit back and

say, well, if things will ultimately work out. but the arc of a moral universe does not bend if there aren't people insisting that it swerve. if there aren't people pulling on that side of the dialect. and that's what we have to do. >> people helping it to bend towards justice. jon, the president, president biden, is set to visit uvalde in the coming days to meet with the victims' families and he traveled to buffalo last week. he is having to repeatedly console the nation every time something like this happens. how do you think this is all weighing on him and what does this mean for his presidency in the moment? >> yeah. well, full disclosure, i have talked to him about this, not since texas, but in buffalo around that event. you know, joe biden is among the most empathic human beings, not just politician, but human

beings i have ever known. and this question, a question of politics and culture and law and these conflicting interests, this is what he spent 50 years working on. he came to the senate in 1972. gun control really became an issue in the late 1960s. so he has lived with this. he was instrumental in the passage of the one thing that has, in fact, worked. the passage of the assault weapons ban in 1994, which for ten years, as he often notes, actually brought the number of mass shoougs down. that's another thing. the perfect cannot be the enemy of the good. >> right. >> right? what if -- i would say to people who value guns, what if one life was saved? just one.

we're called by scripture, reason, tradition, by basic morality to protect the defenseless. and if it -- certainly it won't stop, all evil. that's not going to happen into the in breaking of the holy spirit and the ending of all things. you can't outlaw tragedy, but you can make tragedies more difficult to occur. and i think that's where the president's head is and i think that's where americans' heads and hearts should be. >> you say that liberty is precious, but so is life. can you speak to how the interpretation of the second amendment has changed over time? >> well, it's become as part -- kind of part of the originalist trend in constitutional interpretation. it's become scripchural for a lot of people.

and the constitution is, as many people have pointed out and argued and adjudicated, it is a living document. it's a human -- it's the product of human hearts and hands. it's the product of a given particular historical moment. when the second amendment was drafted as endless numbers of people pointed out, we were talking about muskets and civil defense and the authority of the government against the citizen. we weren't -- they were not, i promise you this, james madison, they were not thinking about ar-15s and u z is being wielded by civilians who put on body armor and went in seven of children to massacre. that was not part of the original intent of the united states constitution. >> jon meacham, be well, sir. thank you. always a pleasure. >> thanks, don.

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senator. next day 375 rounds of ammunition. two days after that a second recusal. four days later, shot 19 kids and two adults dead. this killer couldn't legally buy a beer. time mature. but could legally buy weapons of war. >> maybe we could at least agree we should raise the age for purchasing these weapons. >> reporter: last year lawmakers lowered to 18 some texans can get a handgun license. 18 and up you can gbuy one of these a after a basic background check. from an unlicensed dealer or a gun show, no check required. here in liberal-leaning california the legal age to buy assault-style rifles was upped to 21 in 2019. struck down two weeks ago, back to 18. why? america would not exist without the heroism of the young adults

to fought and died no our revolutionary army, wrote judge ryan nelson. we reaffirm our constitution still protects the right that enabled their sacrifice. the right of young adults to keep and bear arms. so 18-year-olds in california can buy semiautomatic weapons today in part because teenage soldiers died carrying single-shot muskets in a war more than 200 years ago. >> stronger gun laws save lives. weaker gun lives cause gun crime and violence. the data is in. we need our lawmakers to act. >> reporter: this latest tragedy in texas is very far from an isolated ins stance of illegally armed teenaged attacker. just 11 days ago an 18-year-old white supremacist gunned down 13 people in a predominantly black neighborhood of buffalo, new york. also armed with a semiautomatic weapon he was also legally

allowed to buy and own. and the deadliest school shooting in american history remains sandy hook nearly ten years ago now. a 20-year-old gunman killed 20 kids, six adults, also armed with an ar-15 style assault rifle. after that connecticut changed some laws mainly around the type of magazine you could use in those kind of rifles. no changes in age limits. today president biden came out and said, he said the idea that an 18-year-old can walk into a store and buy a weapon of war is, he said, just wrong. wrong maybe, but perfectly legal in all but a handful of states in this country. will texas change anything after today? very, very unlikely. governor abbott likes to protect himself as a fierce defender of the second amendment and today at a press conference down there in texas seemed absolutely in no

mood whatsoever to change anything. don. >> nick watt. thank you, sir. appreciate your reporting. just a day before the school shooter in texas the fbi releasing a report on active shooters. what the fbi found next.

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us. this fbi report was made all the more important after this horrific shooting in texas. you have helped officers prepare to respond to situations like this. explain the training for me, if you will, and how it's evolved over time. >> well, the training evolved, i think in part because of the optics of columbine. that's the first time in recent history, or i guess if you consider that recent history, where americans really watched the events unfold live and in color on television. and after that it no longer became acceptable for officers to wait for especially trained teams to arrive. what i mean, you know, originally the thought process was uniformed officers were to respond to an event like this, create a perimeter and wait for s.w.a.t. teams or specialized units to respond who would

actually make entry and try to neutralize the threat. >> i guess it was in the early 2000s that the active shooter program, training program was introduced and initially it was teams of five officers. so the first five parole officers to arrive at an active shooter would form a team and make entry. soon after that, it was reduced down to three officers. and then eventually at least what it is in washington, d.c. with the metropolitan police department. we make entry with a single officer. so once an officer responds to the event, their job is to immediately enter the location, find the threat and neutralize it. >> so no waiting, right? just one single officer now. listen, i want to ask you about there is a state senator that tells cnn that daniel's defense

rifle was sound beside the gunman's body. it says train up a child in the way that he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. it included a photo of a small child holding an ar-15 assault rifle. the company's twitter has since been made private. we reached out for a comment but we did not hear back. how do you feel when you see stuff like this, michael? >> yeah. i saw the tweet. it's outrageous. it's irresponsible. i'm a gun owner myself, and i certainly would never, you know, paragraph my children holding guns in that fashion. i teach them to respect firearms and, you know, outside of their intended purpose, you know, it is not a prop. it is not something to publicize for, you know, social media purposes. it was disgusting. >> yeah.

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hello. welcome to our viewers from around the states. we begin with a small texas community and a nation in mourning as the investigation into tuesday's deadly school shooting raises new questions about why it happened and how law enforcement sp