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whole idea of poisoning with a chemical weapon. this is why, this is how smart, because even reasonable people they refuse to be like, what, come on, poisoned? seriously? >> kremlin and russia security services deny they played any role in navalny's poisoning. thank you so much for joining us tonight, "ac 360" starts now. good evening, a week ago today, a gunman took 21 lives at rob rob elementary school in uvalde texas, starting today and the next two weeks, people in uvalde will be attending funerals for the 19 children and two teachers he murdered, two weeks of mourning following a lifetime of absence. tonight, for the first time, a phone message sent by parents to the school district while the shooter was still in the school. we've also just learned that this man, pedro pete aradondo,
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chief of police for the uvalde school district who was incident commander that day, meaning the person authorities said made the decision to not have officers immediately go into that classroom and stop the shooter even though he knew it was an active shooter situation, he, according to our reports, has not responded to state investigators for two days. so keep that in mind as you listen to this recording obtained by kate, at ksat, went out 12:20 local time, in other words, as the shooting was happening and as police were standing nearby in a texas town for a tactical team to arrive, assemble, gear up, and then go in. no one was confronting the shooter during that time. police were standing outside. adjoining classrooms where kids were wounded, possibly dying still, and some hiding, smearing themselves with blood in order to appear dead as one girl did or calling 911 for help. those police officers were not going in.
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>> with uvalde ciac, uvalde ciac parents, there is an active shooter at rob elementary, law enforcement is on site. your cooperation is needed at this time by not visiting the campus. as soon as more information is gathered, it will be shared. the rest of the school district is under a secure status of a precautionary measure to keep our students and staff safe. we appreciate your cooperation and understanding at this time and we will share more information as it becomes available. thank you. >> so that call goes at 12:20, local time, school district telling parents there's an active shooter situation at the school, yet the 19 officers at the scene were treating it as something other than that, mistakenly so, because when it comes to dealing with active shooters, the guidelines are clear. >> first of all, when it comes to an active shooter, you don't have to wait on tactical gear. plain and simple, you got an
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obligation -- >> he's saying you don't have to wait on tactical gear. in fact, i want to read you a couple items from the active shooter training manual for the state of texas. item one is prime directive, it reads stop the killing. officer's first priority is to move in and confront the attacker, this may include bypassing the injured and not responding to cries for help from children. the key, they're saying, is to stop the shooter. in any way necessary. item two is this blunt advice -- a first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field. so that's what the police on scene should have done but did not do for one hour. yet listening to that same official, steven mccraw at a briefing just a day after the shooting, before the reality of what police didn't do was clear to everybody, police knew people who had been on the scene knew,
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but the rest of the world did not know. if you listen to mr. mcgraw, steve mcgraw at that point the day after the shooting may have been led to believe a delay never happened, that everybody on the scene acted as quickly as they should have. >> when the shooting began, we had uvalde police officers arrive on scene, along with the consolidated independent school district officers immediately breach, because we know as an officer, every second's a life. breached it, and gave the active shooter, and continued to keep him pinned down in that location, you know, afterwards, until a tactical team could be put together, comprised of border patrol agents on the front end, some members of their unit, a slight team for border patrol. >> he says they breached it, engaged with the shooter and then waited for a tactical team. he mentioned nothing about when the children were killed there were children still alive calling 911. when he said that, the day after
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the shootings, there were already questions because the training on active shooters is clear. you do not wait for a tactical team. you don't wait for back-up. you just don't wait. statistics gathered by the fbi in the wake of sandy hook in a 2013 report where they looked at all active shooter situations going back to columbine note the average active shooter situation last lasts 12 minutes and 30% are over in less than five minutes -- 37 minutes. sorry, 37%. that means that in less than five minutes, most of the people are killed, 37% of the time. at rob elementary, according to regional director for texas public safety department, majority of gunfire was at the beginning of the attack which is what we just said, most, many times, most of all the people are killed right away. but crucially, the shooting did not end. we now know that at 12:21, after
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police had been outside the classroom for a half hour already, a minute after the phone call went out to parents saying there was active shooter situation going on, three more shots were fired and a third student inside the classroom calls 911, the third 911 call, meaning a child was still alive in there and calling for help. and yet, still no police went in. and on friday, that texas public safety official you heard a moment ago gave the reason. >> the on scene commander considered a barricaded subject and there was time and no more children at risk. obviously, you know, based upon the information we have, there were children in that classroom that were at risk and it was in fact still an active shooter situation and not a barricaded subject. >> the thing s he's saying based on the information we have, implying we now know that wasn't the case, but the thing is, somebody in the police department certainly knew.
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they'd heard more shots. they knew the shooter was shooting at somebody, or something. and police had received 911 calls from, the third one, at 12:21. they knew there were still kids in the classroom with the shooter. they knew that then, it's not just we now have that information as he was implying. their 911 dispatcher certainly knew some of the kids were alive and still in danger. does that information get sent down to the police who were standing in the hallway? contrast that to the response when a gunman opened fire at the washington dc navy yard in 2013, you can see all the different agencies, military and civilian responding. the after-action report details the confusion and signals that authorities in uvalde may have experienced, also praises the cooperation of many agencies, 137 responders and all and they went in. the first officers who went in, if you look at the surveillance footage, it's a navy member of the navy. it's a bicycle police officer, they went in and they killed the
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gunman. certainly, a different place with different resources yet it's hard to say the team that went into rob elementary was under-manned, there were 19 armed officers there and more nearby, and a far more confined location than many with urgent need to act which they didn't do. and also chief aradondo no longer seems to be cooperating with the investigation. we'll be joined in a moment by two law enforcement professionals, one who trains on what to do in after shooter situation. first, more from ed lavandera. >> reporter: a chilling account from inside rob elementary during the shooting. that audio was taken by a man who spoke to cnn but didn't want to be publicly identified. a facebook live video includes what he says is audio from the radio in a custom and see border protection vehicle outside the
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school. it is not clear at what point during the shooting this video was taken. we're also hearing from a customs and border protection officer whose wife is a teacher at the school, where his daughter is also a second grader. he was off-duty at a barber shop when he got this text message from his wife. >> there's an active shooter. help, i love you, from my wife. >> reporter: that's when erased over to what he describes as a chaotic scene at the school. >> everybody trying to get the school, people trying to get everything situated. i was trying to get toward my wife's room and daughter's room. aise was going in, could see kids coming out of the windows and coming my way so i'm helping all the kids out. >> reporter: both his wife and daughter got out safely, one teacher describes the tense moments in her school room after spotting the gunman outside her class window. >> i just kept hearing shots fired and i kept praying, god, please don't let him come in my room. please don't let him come in this room. and for some reason, he didn't.
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>> reporter: abc news obtained a portion of video that appears to be audio from a 911 operator relaying information from a child inside the classroom. >> we have a child on the line, she is in the room full of victims. >> reporter: questions remain focused tonight on the police response, texas department of public safety director says it is the school district police chief, pete aradondo who made the decision not to breach the classrooms earlier, aradondo who hasn't been seen publicly since the shooting is facing harsh criticism and department of justice review from what officers didn't do as kids repeatedly calls 911 pleaing for help. >> because they didn't have a chance -- >> reporter: the first funeral for the victims of the mass shooting in uvalde were held today. >> when that gate closes and
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t that casket goes down, it's so real for me i'll never see them again. >> off the top of my head, i couldn't tell you how many, but i think one everyday. >> reporter: father moralez says he will preside at 12 fun eral services for victims over the next two weeks. visitations and funerals held today for four students and one teacher. >> it was something that very well could have been avoided. >> ed lavandera joins us now. authorities gave update on the back door the shooter reportedly used to enter the school, reports it was left open, maybe a rock in place to leave it open. what did they say? >> reporter: anderson you're right, if you remember last week, texas department of public safety investigators saying an
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unidentified teacher left that bookdoor propped open and that's how the gunman was able to get inside the school. now, that story has changed. texas department of public safety officials are now saying that teacher, once she realized that there was a gunman on the campus, went back to the door and closed it, but it did not lock. anderson. >> ed lavandera, appreciate it. more now on chief aradondo and why he hasn't responded to texas rangers two days investigating what was going on, shimon, do authorities know why the uvalde authority district chief of police is not responding? >> reporter: i think part of it is now he knows there's this scrutiny on him, he perhaps is a concern, has concern for his, legally, for himself and that's why he is not responding to their questions but for all intents and purposes, he is not cooperating at this point with the texas rangers. they've asked him for information, for follow-up interviews and so far, that has not happened. we have been making every effort
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to try and get in touch with him, we've been to his home, we've been trying other ways to reach him and anderson, we've just not been able to get to him. he was not at that friday press conference, the dps head there said they don't know why he wasn't there but just wasn't there so obviously a lot of questions and need some answers but no one really knows where he is right now. >> shimon, i want to play a question that you asked to police, i think that was, i mean this was last week, and it was thursday and i just think it's really important because, you know, there are a lot of, a lot of questions from the moment you and i spoke on the phone the day after this, when i was going down there and you had been on the scene and know this better than anyone what was going on and i asked you about the statement that the police had made and it was clearly written the way the statement the police made, it was strange the way it was worded. it had clearly, was avoiding some very glaring topics, like why were they waiting for a
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tactical team? you finally confronted one of the police officials about it and i think it was an important moment and i just want to play that. >> you guys have said he was barricaded. do you explain to us how he was barricaded and why you guys cannot breach that door? >> so i have taken all your questions into consideration. we will be doing updates, doing updates after those questions -- >> you could answer is that question now, sir -- >> seems it was after that press conference and i might have the timing wrong, but that they realized people remember aware, i mean reporters were asking questions, you were asking really important questions that they frankly, had been dancing around for days and avoiding talking about. >> reporter: right. and anderson, in the beginning, there was information about, well, maybe he was inside that classroom for 30 minutes. then we started getting indications that, well, no, it may have been up to an hour. that's when you started seeing that there were holes in this
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story. having covered other active shooters, sadly, you know, i was just in buffalo two weeks ago. you know, in terms of when you cover these stories, you always hear from the police that they move in quickly, they neutralize the gunman. we did not hear that in this case. the timeline kept changing and kept moving further and further away which shows that perhaps the police didn't do exactly everything they were supposed to do and you sort of just got the sense that the public here, the families, the parents of these kids, were not getting the full story because it's almost as if the police officers were trying to protect themselves and sure enough, after days and days of asking, anderson, we get the truth. and we see that these officers were simply standing in the hallway, protecting themselves, while the gunman was inside with kids, children, as you said, who were still alive. >> and it's also clearly other officers knew that this was a
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problem, because in their public statements early on, what they kept pointing out was all the, you know, the officers who went and broke windows to help other kids get out in other parts of the school which is very important and a great thing and obviously important, but the number one priority if you have a gunman cornered in a room and there are children in that room and even if you think that all the children have been killed, you don't know, and even then you're getting 911 calls from a child in the room and there are three 911 calls. it was interesting to me how that was the story they were selling in the first couple of days about getting the broken windows and getting all the kids out of the school and avoiding the most important question and it took days and a press conference like the one where you asked questions. anything new we learned about the investigation today? >> reporter: well other than the fact that we have this new information about aradondo, not the chief of the school, the
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school police, that he's not cooperating. obviously they changed the story now on the door, initially saying this teacher left the door open. and really, anderson, even that piece of information only started trickling out because her lawyer came forward to the local newspaper and revealed that information so the police are not even being pro active with discrepancies in their own story and putting them out there. it takes other people to come forward and then they finally come out with the new information. look, the bottom line, anderson, is now, more than ever, we need to see those surveillance video tapes from the hallways of that school and we need to listen to the radio transmissions that the police were having between eachother on that day. who was giving the orders not to go in? not to storm the door? >> yes, they're blaming the chief of the school police however you talk to officials here and law enforcement across the country and tell you there were many other senior level people there like the chief of the local
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please, the sheriff was on scene, why weren't those people standing up and saying wait, we may be making a bad decision here. we need to storm into that classroom. so there are still a lot of questions that the police need to answer. the local state senator, anderson, here, for the district here, says that he expects to get a report from the texas officials that are conducting this investigation on friday. so maybe then, anderson, we'll learn more. >> yeah, shimon, appreciate it. joining us now, 17 year police emergency unit veteran andy bershad, former philadelphia and washington dc, appreciate you joining us chief ramsey as well. you're an active training instructor. the decision that, well, all the people in the room are probably dead so we don't need to go in until a tactical unit arrives, if that was their thinking, does that make any sense to you? >> thank you for having me, annerson, no, no, of course not.
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from the reports we're getting, broken pieces of reports, you had communication with 911 operators that there were children or seriously injured victims inside and there needed to be a clear decision, whatever you need to term it, active shooter, barricade, there's bolgs loss of life, whether it's child or adult, human life at risk and a decision needs to be made to aggressively approach the suspect. >> chief ramsey, we received information of dispatch call to 911 from a child inside the school. how does something like that come through, with that, i mean would that go to the officers who were on the scene? >> well, i mean, it should. someone should be receiving that kind of information. but that's why the doj investigation is going to be so critically important. until we have that independent investigation where we get actual timelines of verified facts, and hopefully they've already notified all agencies to
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save all audio tapes, video tapes, written reports, everything that has to do with this investigation, or this case, so that they can investigate it thoroughly. because right now, you're getting bits and pieces and they're putting information out without even verifying it and that's why it keeps changing all the time. so we really do need this independent investigation. >> andy, for 60 minutes report, i was able to take a couple of training ex-er sizes with the new york police department and their active shooter training. they have every officer go through active shooter training because any officer could be a first responder depending where they are when a shooting like this happens and one of the things that surprises me is instructors saying even if there are injured people in the hallway as you approach a room where there is a shooter, you don't stop for the injured people. the priority, number one, is stop the shooter. can you just explain why that is so important?
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>> certainly. although control is an aspect of the situation so it neutralizing the threat, whether taking them into custody, using deadly force, the more the active shooter has to continue more deaths or serious injury can be accumulated. so we train them to bypass it. in previous situations, i don't want to name specifically, where children were reaching out, grabbing responders as they were advancing through and we drill that into officers and students that you need to go by and locate and isolate and neutralize the threat in whatever means necessary. >> i mean that has got to be the toughest job for a police officer, you know, to do that, knowing that it's going to potentially save more lives. chief ramsey, what happens here next? i mean you have this, this police officer who is not responding to authorities who are investigating that. does that, you know, does that hamper the investigation? >> well it slows it down. but i would not be surprised if
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he has an attorney by now telling him not to make any public statements. obviously, he's exposed, perhaps criminally, but certaivilly and think the school district and the chief have a lot to face on the civil side of things so he may be told not to cooperate. in the meantime, they're going to continue the investigation as best they can but once doj gets involved, maybe that will change in terms of him actually cooperating. you don't want to see this thing get to a grand jury or anything like that. you want to be able to do the thorough investigation, of. you can't really do that without him. he was the incident commander at the time so it's going to be important that they be able to speak with him, as well as others. and you raised something very important, anderson, that i don't want to overlook. there were other top officials there on the scene. i've handled a lot of those things and andy probably has too and something significant as a school shooting? guess what, you're on the phone
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notifying a above of folks, elected officials and everyone letting them know what's going on. so this could go a lot higher than the chief once the investigation of this really gets going. >> and andy, just briefly, you agree, time is the critical factor here? that's why everything that is to be done so quickly, that's why, i mean a tactical team, in most -- you know, not in new york -- but in a lot of cities and small towns, would take a long time for a tactical team to gather. right? >> absolutely, i'm blessed with being in the city of new york, we have a tactical team i was involved with for 20 years at hand, we train our own officers, even manhattan as condensed as it is, might be the boots on the ground patrol guys going in but we find statistically the perpetrator or active shooter tend to be cowards and pressing them, cornering them, isolating them can make a tremendous difference, time is absolutely a factor that needs to be pressed
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which is why we show lock those doors, slow them down, we know they have a limited time of carnage to create. >> thank you so much, coming up next, the father of a young girl who lost her life at rob elementary, we'll talk to him and later, key developments in the fight for eastern ukraine, on and off the battle feed, u.s. now sending advanced rocket systems to ukraine, talk to former allied commander, wesley clark. oh, hey. buying a car from vroom is so easy, all you need is a phone and a finger. just go to vroom.com, scroll thugh thousands of cars.
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facebook page, the winning poster she designed to bullying prevention, the title, kindness takes courage and it certainly does. ryan, thank you so much for being with us. i am so sorry for your loss. can you tell us a little bit about alithia? it's so lovely to see her art. >> alithia, she was very loveable and kind. she was just rely -- she was, she was just there for anybody that needed anything. and that was one thing that we all loved about her. and just with the drawing, she just loved drawing. loved drawing so much. everyday, she always had a cr crayon in her hand just going to town. >> i understand that president biden, you met with him and he said he wanted to have some of
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alithia's work in the white house. >> yes. he had told me that he, just to pick one of the, whatever drawings that she did that he wants to have at the white house. >> there was, there was a little girl named grace mcdonald who was killed at sandy hook and she was also an artist and i remember president obama, his, grace's family, lynn, her mom gave president obama a drawing of an owl she had done and he had that at the white house so there's a history for that. can you tell us about last tuesday? i mean not only did you go through the worse thing imaginable, but just the waiting that you went through is horrific. >> i mean, we had a 50-50.
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that's what our odds were. because i called the hospitals. talked with whoever was in charge, and all the school, that the school was evacuated and there was a possible, it was possible that one of her teachers were alive and was seen helping kids get out of the school so we had that thinking that, you know, she's out there somewhere hiding. and that's what we were going through, thinking that she was out there. >> and i knew you were at the civic center where they told you to go, then back to the school, then to go back there and how long was it until you actually learned what happened? >> all of this, i found out that, this was around 12:00 and i had a buddy of mine helping us find her and i -- i would think,
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i think we found out a little bit before midnight. so i mean, almost 12 hours until they told us that she was deceased. >> your daughter's funeral is this sunday. it's -- how are you getting through each hour? each, each minute? >> just remembering all the good things, all the things she had told us. we were going through picture and see videos. and we have our ups and we have our downs and i believe that alithia would want us to be strong and that she's in a better place, that she's in a better place and she's saved. >> she's such a beautiful,
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beautiful little girl and ryan, i'm so sorry. >> i know, i see her drawing. >> i love the idea that a drawing of her's will be in the white house. ryan, thank you so much for sharing a little of alithia with us. i wish you continue in strength and peace in the days ahead, ryan ramirez, thank you. we'll have more from the uvalde, as well as from the war in ukraine. we'll be right back.
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ukrainie, starting with a nw editorial about president biden, says he is providing the ukraine, quote, more advanced rocket system and see munition, more on that in a moment, also embargo from the european union at a new package of sanctions taking aim at 2/3 of russian oil imports. on the battle field, russia controlling most of severodonetsk which is a key city in the eastern donbas region, you can see it there on the map. it's a big gain for russia, today, both sides blaming the other after the explosion of what was said was a tank of nitric acid at the chemical plant in that city. all critical infrastructure in the city destroyed and more than
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90% of homes damaged. president zelenskyy says the military made progress in the north in kharkiv and in the south of kherson. matthew chance joins us now from kyiv with more. talk about the gains that russian forces have made in the donetsk and luhansk regions in the east. >> reporter: yeah, anderson, they've made some significant gains in that city of severodonetsk, which is the last big remaining city to be captured by the russians in the luhansk region. luhansk region important because it's half of donbas. the russians say they want the whole of donbas as a military priority. so once they establish full control over severodonetsk, will be a big political win for moscow because they can say look, we achieved, you know, 15% of , 50% of that aim, but the fighting has been dirty.
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we've seen images of a massive plume of orange smoke billowing over the battle field after a tactical bomb gin a chemical plant under attack, both sides blaming each other. ukrainians also making sure the russians pay as high a price as possibility militarily to gain control of that city, so a very nasty struggle for that town, indeed. there's been fighting elsewhere in the region as well, but particularly, the counter-offensive that's been taking place to the south of the country. as russia has been focusing much of its resources to achieve that political and military win in severodonetsk, the ukrainians have been taking advantage of possible vulnerabilities to the south and trying to reclaim territory with some success in that area, striking against territory that had already been conquered by the russians and bringing it back under ukrainian government control.
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so in the east, there is progress by the russians but also an ebb and flow on the battle field and ukrainians are also making gains. >> interesting to see this video from the ukrainian defense intelligence of, i assume, a ukrainian helicopter being used by ukrainians, we haven't seen often. this past week, president biden said he would not send rockets with the range to strike targets inside russia, now learn he plans to send more advanced russian systems and munitions. do we know what kind of weapons the ukrainian leaders say they need now on the front lines? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, look, they want more weapons is the kind they need. but particularly, they need weapons with a longer range because they're coming under increasing attack from long range weapons from the russian side and they got nothing to answer that with. they just are having to sit there and take the punishment. and it's -- it means that the russians are being able to make these battlefield gains.
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to turn that tide, and to reverse those gains, they're going to need long-range weapons and they've been asking the americans and other allies for this for some time. and there are going to be weapons given to ukraine, of course, as part of the $40 billion worth of aid, including 20 billion in military aid the biden administration already agreed but it's not the longest range weapons they could have provided. some of these mlrs, multiple long rocket systems they can reach 300 miles in terms of range. the biden administration is giving weapon systems with a much shorter range of that, somewhere in the region of 50 miles or so is the figure i've heard, but it's still sort of more than doubles the capabilities in terms of range that the ukrainians would have at their finger tips so a big help for them. >> matthew chance, appreciate it from kyiv tonight. perspective now from retired general wesley clarks, cnn
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military analyst. clark, do you believe the momentum in the war has shifted in favor of russia? >> yes. it is shifting. it hasn't fully shifted but it is shifting because what we never hear about anderson, these brave ukrainians who held it so long are taking losses in holding it so they're getting pounded and the russians are an artillery-heavy army, always been, they out number the ukrainian artillery, two to three to one, they match it, it's hard for them to stand up to that without taking casualties so yeah, the momentum is shifting. can it be held? can we hold in donbas, are we going to get blown out of there? that remains to be seen, the president's remarks in his op-ed are very important, significant at this moment and very, going to be warmly welcomed, i'm sure, by ukraine. what he says is we're going to provide longer-ranged systems and when you don't have a massive artillery, you got to be
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able to have longer range and better warheads to be able to outgun the enemy and keep the artillery off your own troops. so these mrls when they get there i think will make a big difference. >> and i should know this but their range is far greater than the howitzers the u.s. has been providing? >> that's right, probably double. depends on the exact edition of rocket that's sent there but 70, 80, 90 kilometers is possible. so that's the 50-mile that matthew was talking about. and the howitzers are shooter at best of 24 miles. >> you know it's interesting, now, the war is harder for people around the world to see. harder for reporters to get to the front lines, not like when they're bombing kyiv and people can see the horror on their television screens or, you know, wherever they watch these images come across. and so people stop paying attention and then world leaders also, you know, nato, president biden has cobbled together nato and had, you know, they're more
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united than they probably have been in a long time. how long can that unity stay, though, as the war, you know, leaves the front pages in some cases and as it becomes more complicated as russia, you know, may make a play to just hold on to the land they've been able to take and say they won't go any farther, seems like there's going to be more divisions and more calls for some sort of settlement. >> yeah, there is, it's starting already. but, you know, these european leaders always play to their domestic politic and see that's what germany doing today, as long as they got poland or belarus, between them, they feel secure, if you're poland, you don't feel safe right now because you know you could be the next victim of this. so know the u.s. has to bridge this gap, takes leadership, the kind of leadership that shown in that op-ed in the new york times
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which means the u.s. will take the lead in supplying the weapons, means the u.s. will take the lead in supporting the sanctions, it means the european leaders can then lean on the united states and say well, we didn't really want to do this, but, the americans, you know, it's these tough americans, they always, they always want to use weapons and stuff and they get political support when they say that. it's the old game that's been played in nato for 70 years, anderson. and it's just a question of whether this administration can continue to hold it together, i hope we can. >> general clark, appreciate your time. thank you. coming up, a verdict this afternoon in the trial linked to the trump russia probe, this one centering on the clinton campaign lawyer accused of lying to the fbi, what the jurury decided, next.
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and early says he'll end obamacare and guard against the growing socialist communist threat. eric early. too extreme, too conservative in washington today, federal jury found hillary clinton's presidential campaign attorney not guilty of lying to the fbi, acquitted of accusation, wasn't honest when he gave the general council a tip during the 2016 campaign between possible connections between candidate donald trump and russia. the first case brought to trial so far by the special prosecutor john durham since he was appointed to look into the allegations of the russian probe, three years ago. allen perez joins us now, so what more is suseman accuse of doing? >> he was accused of essentialliy lying to the fbi
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during the 2016 meeting. prosecutors made the casing that this was really a plot by the hillary clinton campaign to get an investigation of these supposedly suspicious computer links between the trump organization and a bank in russia. the problem for them was that they were relying on witnesses who repeatedly had very poor memories of exactly what happened. and from what you saw in the jury reaching this verdict after about 6 1/2 hours 0or so, they clearly did not believe they lied or that the lie was material so that was a big problem for the prosecution. >> so is the not guilty verdict, does that affect the future of the durham investigation? >> it does, it raises important questions not only for durham and the attorney general at the justice department that oversees durham, we have one more trial in september, an analyst that did some of the research that
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went into the steal docier coming up in october, bus questions being raised for the justice department. this case was a flimsy case, was really very thin so the question for maker garland and lisa monmo monaco, two leaders of the jus jus jus justice department is how much longer do you allow them to continue this investigation, already going on much longer than the trump russia investigation. >> clearly political they already feel durham has given them what they needed. the former president, he wanted people in the so-called deep state, he wanted his political enemies prosecuted before the 2020 election. that didn't happen, obviously, and it hasn't happened at all yet. today, you saw on the right they were celebrating, they believe what this case did was expose this supposed conspiracy by the clinton campaign to smear donald
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attorney's office to pursue justice for everyone. but like so many of my colleagues, i resigned in protest because chesa boudin interfered in every single case and failed to do his job. the office is absolutely in disarray right now. chesa dissolved my unit prosecuting car break-ins.
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now criminals flock to san francisco because there are no consequences. we can't wait. recall chesa boudin now. this week, president biden and his team are rolling out a months-long campaign to try to win back voters on the issues of inflation and the economy. kaitlan collins joins us now. so the president's pledge to in his words respect the fed's independence in addressing inflation, but he also met with fed chair jerome powell and treasury secretary janet yellen today. what was that about? >> the white house said it was to congratulate powell on another term as chairman of the federal reserve, but it was clearly designed also to have the president show voters he is paying attention to their number one economic concern, which right now is inflation, and it has been for months.
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the numbers are not only getting -- not getting better for the president, but they're getting worse. voters are increasingly pessimistic about the state of the economy, and despite the white house talk about wage gains and the unemployment rate, this is still their number one concern. really, the fate of the economy and biden's political prospects is going to rest on the federal reserve. because jay powell has got this enormous task in front of him of trying to tame inflation but also not sending the u.s. economy into a recession as they're trying to tamp down that inflation. and the president said today he believes it is clear that this is now really largely the responsibility of the federal reserve. that he believes a lot of it is out of his hands and it's going to be up to the federal reserve. i think that's why you saw the white house going out of its way to make sure president biden was saying he does respect the independence of the federal reserve, doesn't want to get involved like his predecessor was. >> does the white house concede the fed calling inflation
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transitory was a mistake? >> i think the white house concedes them also calling it transitory was a mistake because you saw it's not just president biden, his top economic advisers, also treasury secretary janet yellen who earlier tonight told wolf blitzer she was wrong to call it transitory when she said inflation only posed a small risk. that's something you heard not only from experts outside the administration but from the white house. it's posed the question whether or not they didn't do enough to prepare voters for these inflationary numbers they're seeing, higher prices on groceries, on gas. she conceded it today, but we should note brian deese, the president's top economic adviser, was in the white house earlier today. he did not call it a mistake, but he said of course, was has happened was unexpected and uncertain. >> thanks. more news ahead. we'll be right back.
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we showed you this at the top of the broadcast. these are the names and faces of 19 children, 2 teachers killed a week ago today in uvalde, texas. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates. >> a chilling photograph for so many reasons. i am laura coates and this is cnn tonight. look, i'm going to be honest with you. i had a panic attack dropping my son off at school this morning. a full-blown panic attack. i was terrified at the prospect it could be my last good-bye with my baby. wondering which would be the picture, the moment, the stories i might have to tell to try to explain what this boy means to me. i look at the teachers that were opening the car doors to greet him, and i prayed in those moments that they would care enough to protect my child. all of our children. and frankly, i resented that they might have to. my 9-year-old son, who is