so this is our breaking news tonight. there's another deadly mass shooting in america, this time on a hospital campus in tulsa, oklahoma. police say four people were killed and as many as ten other injured. the gunman is also dead, officials believe of a

self-inflicted gunshot wound. this a week after the horrific elementary school shooting in uvalde, texas. gary tuchman is in tulsa, oklahoma this evening. gary, we're going to start with you with the latest shooting. we're learning this one is at a hospital campus in tulsa. what do you know? >> well, it's really important that we don't get desensitized to this. four people who either worked inside this doctor's building on this hospital campus, st. francis hospital in tulsa, o oklahoma. the gunman wandered into the building behind me. it's called the natalie building. it's a doctor's office that has orthopedics offices and oncologists. he went to the second floor. we're told by police this wasn't a random shooting. they know more than they're telling us.

there was something that angered him and his target was on that second floor and that's where the people were killed. it's critically important. the police got on the scene inside the building within three minutes. critically important. they say when they got in the building, they still heard the gunshot. when they open the door and saw the victim of one victim and the body of the gunman, it's very possible, likely if they hadn't gotten to the hospital, the gunman would have killed more. there are other to ten people who are injured. none of the injuries are life threatening. it's not clear if that is from the chaos of the people trying to get out of the bidding or it's not clear if people suffered minor gunshot wounds. there's no one in a life-threatening condition. four people did die, though.

>> what you know about the motive, and what you just said that, that the person or persons were targeted. this wasn't a random shooting. we're also hearing, gary, this may be connected to another incident near p nearby. the captain discussed that with me just a little bit in the last hour. do you know anything about that? >> yeah. one of the reasons -- they know the name of the person who did this. they're not releasing the name because they are looking at what we heard a couple of hours ago. there was a bomb threat at a nome nearby here and they say it is related to this man who went inside the hospital the t. they're still ironing that out and that man is now dead after he killed four people. >> i want to get to omar, who is in uvalde, texas now. we're also getting new details,

omar, about the initial response to the elementary school shooting there. what can you tell us about that? >> yeah, don. the uvalde mayor said there is a would-be negotiator across the street who is frantically trying to reach the shooter. the mayor told the "post", whose main purpose was to try to get this shooter on the phone. meanwhile a lot is being put on what happened inside this school. the district attorney is reviewing the online going state investigation into this and is prepared to review the results of it and determine whether criminal charges need to be filed in regards to the law enforcement potentially response to this particularly shooting,

don. >> there are major questions tonight about the man who was in charge of this uvalde shooting response. is he cooperating with the investigation or not? >> reporter: well, it depends who you ask. the texas department of public safety told us yesterday they hadn't heard from him in days in regards to their request for a follow-up interview. and then today, only after being confronted by shimon prokupecz, the school's police chief said that: >> we're going to talk to you about what department. i just aukd with him. >> i know you did. >> just so y'all know. we're not going to risk anything. we have people in our community being buried. >> i just want your reaction that the director saying you were responsible for going into

that room. >> we're going to be respectful to the family. >> i understand that. and you have an opportunity to explain yrts to the parents. >> we're going to do that eventually. >> when in. >> obviously when the family is done grieving. >> of course the investigative laeds have been going forward. we are continuing to see funeral after funeral with services expected every day through the rest of this week, continuing reminders of the irreplaceable effect. and i appreciate you joining us so much. sorry that it's under these circumstances. >> thank you. i appreciate it. four people are now confirmed

dead. the shooter also dead of what's believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. you were just at the hospital this morning. tell me what is going on now in your district. >> i was. it's a lot of sorrow to the families of the victims. they did not deserve this. but i also want to issue my sin ear force to the like horse and got the personal. it could are been so much worse. this hospital is the center of our community. like you said, i was in another building last year when they were trying to save my dad's life ap he was.

>> i understand -- did you get a chance to speak to your loved ones? >> yes. fortunately for those families, not everyone could say that or make that same constant. these deserve better than this. these things are and it's time to wake up and address them. >> did you know any of the families involved in this incident, it's different than uvalde because tulsa police officers adjust yesterday they had training on ak thooter incidents. you sap you're impressed with their level of response. >> i am. i just can't say enough good things about them. we can do so much more here in

oklahoma to make these things preventable. and we have some pretty interesting laws on the books that we need to get. it was gary pest three years ago where anyone can if and we kent get to that here in the state. and it's pass and they briefed him as well. they should have use a. these representons are so readily available. any incan palm and but what's

more concerning is with roo possibly but if you're going to have it it, you if youit's harder to get a permit than it is to get a weapon these days and we can do better. >> thank you very much. be well. gli want to wring in former fbi director, andrew mccaved. >> and he confirmed the shooting was connected to a bomb threat in mus keigy. he couldn't say how because they are still investigating. but does that tell you anything? >> well, i guess provisionally it tells us that the authorities

in tulsa are handling their disaster in a very different way from what we've seen in uvalde in the laweek, they're trying we already don't know how many other injuries they've had and we're starting to. as the hours go on, this is a very, very familiar conversation with thele chieing to. >> you say the way she's handling this traj by. >> yo, it's despicable.

in that history and then the men and him in? and it's an offense to the families of the victims m were truck down in this tragedy. it's been a o. >> incorrect facts and one that are not simply but also incorrect in a way that seems intentionally design to shine the most favorable light upon the lant response, which to be a complete fiction. now it's horrendous. you know, we saw the police chief, pairn and claiming he's not going to say anything about

the decisions he made orlt response that he was leading while the families are greeing. and that is essentially hiding behind the grief of families who have lost children. i mean, i don't know that there's anything more despicable than that but it's really an offense to the community and to all of us who are interested in these things. >> i grew up in a very small town with there were two red lights, i think they added a third one when i was there. it was really small. everybody knew everybody. could it be -- it's one of two things. either it incompetence, whatever it is, they handled it wrong, everyone involved, all of our experts on cnn. or they knew the kid and someone said i just can't go in and hurt e andy's kid. do you understand what i'm saying? >> yeah. >> i don't want to speculate about that but for someone who has lived in a small town, that's how things operate.

>> i hear what you're saying. i understand that as well having grown up in a fairly small town, southern town, jacksonville, florida as a kid. there is this provincial quality, small town america. we are way beyond that in this situation. you have 19 dead children, two dead teachers and we still don't know some basic facts around how that happened. you have large, respectable institutions like the texas department of public safety involved investigating. and we still are getting c conflicting information every day, a week into this tragedy. it's really inexplicable. whether it's due to incompetence or lack of training or preparation or just poor leadership, it's really hard to say.

but the end result is it's -- they're doing a disservice to their own community. and at the end of the day when they finally come out with their conclusions, i don't know how or why anyone would believe what they have to say. >> thank you. i appreciate it. so it just keeps happening over and over, the violence, the grief. will america continue to tolerate it? i'm going to talk to a former congressman who used to represent uvaldede. that's next. what is this nightm? it's how some people describe... shingleses. a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks. forget social events and weekend getaways. if you've had chickenpox, the virus that causes shingles is already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles.

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republican congressman will heard who used to represent uvalde, texas. congressman, thank you so much. i know this has to be tough for you. the cycle of violence and grief in this country has escalated to the point where people are clamoring for solutions. do you have a message to those who seem in denial about these shootings? they keep happening over and over again. >> well, look, the message is that we can actually do something about this. folks that think nothing can be done or want to throw their hands up, they're wrong. we can do something but it's not just one thing. we have to do a lot of different things to address many aspects of this problem. it's going to require us to get out of our corners. whenever some of these things happen, we go back to our normal talking points and we have to start with the realization that

half of our teen-agers in this country are afraid of a school shooting happening at their school. that's a crazy stat. we also have to get over the fact and realize that too many parents are prematurely burying their children. if we think we need to address both of those things, then we can start with looking at the different aspects of this problem. >> listen, in the effort of talking about what we could do and what we can get done, should we do something specifically about guns? >> sure. look, an 18-year-old kid should not have been able to get access to a semiautomatic rifle. period full stop. the fact that in texas you have to be 21 years old to buy a handgun but you only have to be 18 in order to get a

semiautomatic rifle. that's something that should be addressed. now, people they say that's not restricting the rights of gun owners that use their guns properly. and if you also want to say, okay, there's some reason that an 18-year-old should have that, then go through some additional training, similar to the kind of training you have to have if you want to get a hunting license. >> that's not even restricting legal gun owners because legally you won't be allowed to carry a gun at that age so it wouldn't be restricting legal gun owners. >> and you're not going to do that -- -- and doing that you're not taking weapons and guns out of the hands of people that already have them. this is something that's straight forward, the issue of universal background checks. the fact that if you want to buy a lotto ticket, often times you have to show an i.d. if you look

young. anybody who is purchasing a firearm should have to go through a background check. every responsible gun owner that i know has been through a background check. and so this is one of those things everybody talks about hr-8. this is a piece of legislate that's been brought up multiple years. when i was in congress, i was one of eight republicans that voted for that. this is something simple. now, would hr-8 have stopped the uvalde shooting? no. but that's still something we should do. again, i go back to there's's not just one issue that is going to solve all the problems in the future but we need to be talking about has to things that are sensible and reasonable.

>> and people have taken advantage and it's gotten guns out of the hands of the wrong people. should there be buyback programs? >> if somebody wants to take advantage of it, why not? you're not forcing anybody to do that. and so i don't know what the opposition to they know you're supposed to lock up your weapon when you're at home if you have other people in your house. again, there's that -- is that going to db would that have solved the issue in. it's something san diego we should be looking at, red flags

law. >> i want to get to something else on this story before i let you go here and that is the investigation in u baldy. they say he is not responding to interview's that's where the shooter was barricaded after that out, right? are you satisfied of the conduct of law enforcement officers involved so far? >> the fact that we have to get d.o.j. and somebody else in to come in and review what actually happened is not a good thing. the fact that a lot of the information that we thought was true has changed, that is not a good thing. there is an organization here in texas that is the law enforcement officers' union,

police departments and sheriffs. i spent almost a decade as an under cover officer in the kraid, i've worked are they have a very hard job but they also have some accountability had when tom not only to make sure these grieving families that want to know what happened, get some solutions but it's also for us to learn to make sure this problem doesn't -- you know, i hate to say it, this is going to happen again. and so we need to make sure that law enforcement departments across the country know what to do. i hope that after this event that every law enforcement division across the country reviewed their standard operating procedures in a situation like this.

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kch fwrsh. >> should we blame in on phil buster? >> i think the phil buster is the key element is it it er of the the constitutional system people give smaller influence fan the pan ffrm -- in effect a veto if year policy. americans are in the many they think it's a multi-mass etted problem but they do believe that gun control is par of the lug,

if a ban on high capacity magazine. . even republicans who don't own guns. the problem is that republicans gun owners have a veto over the policy of the republican party. they have virtually republican officials will support meaningful legislature anymore. and where gun culture is stronger, they in effect have a veto over national policy. you have a faction in the part having a veto over the ability of the entire company to act. we've watched this happen again and again and paralyzed is the word that is applied for many years now. >> as we say, it's the system, right? it's the system. could there be a long-term consequence to the way our system is set up to favor the minority position in many cases?

>> no, absolutely. i think we are heading towards escalating levels of social and political polarization that is fundamentally rooted in the crisis minority rule. when barack obama was president, after sandy hook, they brought a bill to the flooring in the senate. the senators who supported that bill represented 194 million people and the people who opposed it represented 118 million people. that's about a and because of the phil buster, the 118 prevailed. they may be able to agree on a package and but that at the most is going to be at the edges of the problem. the issue of weapons of high

capacity messages of war and idea those ideas of off the table because of the phil buster and you look at the 20 states that have the highest the difference is the 20 states with the lowest gun ownership -- the highest residents they have the high ownership. >> i just want to ask you, why should we believe there's going to be anything meaningful to happen? tonight senator john cornyn tweeted,s that he's part of a

group of sfors they're a different, you know, versions of what's going on cutting out but, again, any deal they make it going to be at the edge. there simply is no capacity for 60 votes. go back to bill clinton's presidency. there were 54 house republicans and 16 senate republicans who voted for the brady bills. 38 house republicans and 9 as moved over the past florida century and has become more reliable, the co-edition on restoration. and even as it has become institutionally weaker than it was. those voters are reluctant to cross tem wp to dictate policy

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he is the owner of soul shine industries. he was contacted by the texas funeral director's association on the day of the shooting and asked to make the custom caskets, right? now out of respect for the families, we're not showing you the finished caskets of these victims, but i want to show you examples of what he's made before so you can understand the work they put in here. this tiny casket is hand painted with a superman logo made for a young child referred to at drew bear. another example, miniature casket designed to look like a construction truck. so, joining me now is trey gannon. trey, thank you so much. i -- i'm in awe of you and what you do. >> thank you for having me. >> absolutely. you are based in edna, texas. can you talk to me about the phone call from the funeral director's association, please? >> you know, when i got the phone call, it was -- it was like a cry for help for me, to me, and they know what i do and that i've been connected and they've seen my work.

we helped with the souther land springs shooting victims, you know, and the first thing when he started talking to me, i was just thinking to myself, please not again, you know? i mean, this was -- i get emotional when i talk about this, because, you know, we've become part of the families and, you know, this is something that's very dear to my heart in how we help these families, you know, i can't describe it to you unless you've actually seen one of my caskets in a service, but you know, he asked me if anybody can do it, you can do it, so, are you in? and i'm like, yes, 100%. so, i jumped in the truck and told them that i'm going down there and he was going to let the funeral directors know that i was coming and that we were offering every casket for every child and teacher that passed away. >> amazing. so, i -- i understand that you

were able to speak to the families of these victims, because you need to customize them. do you mind telling me about the conversations, what were they like? >> well, the first conversation i had was with an officer t that -- his wife was a teacher there and we went straight to their house and to sit in the living room and hear the st stories, the beautiful stories and -- you know, it takes me to the place where they were -- i look at pictures, they show me things, you know, personal things and for me, that's where i start, you know, my heart is open -- we hug each other, we laugh, we cry, and i get to know that person and just like i do on all of them, you know, if someone loved hiking, if someone loved baseball games, the quirky things they loved. i want to incorporate that in every piece that we do.

and it's just been a humbling experience to be able to be there, to provide a little bit of light in this dark time, you know, that's why i started this business, and it's just -- it's been an amazing journey, but emotional for me. mentally and physically, you know, we worked around the clock to get these done. it took us four days. i had about six hours of sleep in those four days. just because i wanted everything perfect. and there's a lot that goes into doing that many caskets in our facility in that short of time. you know, it's just me, my son, and we have a helper, and my wife. we don't have a, you know, a 20-man team, it's three-man team, which usually is less than two and mainly i push it off off on my son because i taught him how to paint and he's an awesome painter and we have a heated paint booth and it takes 30

minutes for that paint to dry and move onto the next one, so, it's -- it's something that we've done and we have everything here on-site to do it. >> what's your son's name? >> billy. my son's name is billy. >> and your wife? >> michelle. >> so, i want to shoutout -- >> i put my daughter -- >> your daughter is on there, too? >> yeah, my daughter, she -- she does a lot of the paperwork and emails -- >> what's her name? >> emma. >> emma. well, listen. you guys are -- i'm glad there are people in the world like you, okay? you have an amazing family, you're an amazing person, incredible person and i thank you so much for what you're doing and i really appreciate you appearing. keep up the great work, okay? >> thank you so much, man. have a bless ed evening. >> you, too, trey. >> and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s.

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