good evening. with funerals under wade of the victims of last week's school shooting in uvalde, texas. we have another mass shooting to report tonight. police say at least three people are dead plus the shooter in tulsa, oklahoma. cnn's joe johns is working the story and joins us now. what do we know so far, joe? >> reporter: anderson, what we do know, at least according to the authorities so far is that three people have been reported dead as a result of this shooting, a fourth if you include the shooter himself. and we're also told by authorities that one person was taken from the hospital in critical condition. this initially went out, according to authorities, as a

report of a man with a rifle, and escalated into an active shooter situation at the st. francis hospital campus, in what is referred to as the natalie building, apparently a very large building. authorities having to go door-to-door there in that building and remove people in what they're referring to as a slow evacuation. so, not a lot of additional details in this. at first, authorities called this a catastrophic scene. we still don't know anymore details about why they would be referring to it in that way. what we do know at this time is three dead, four including the shooter, and one person reported in critical condition. anderson? >> do we know anything about the medical complex, where the shooting took place, might give us information about how the person was able to get inside? >> reporter: not a lot of information from the authorities about that, other than it's

certainly part of the community and you have the hospital and you also have the building apparently where all of this occurred. there was one report that authorities shared indicating that this individual may have gone to this location specifically looking for a doctor. we don't know who that doctor is or the doctor's whereabouts at this time, anderson. >> the police spokesman said the building is being checked and evacuated floor by floor. do we know how long that may take, how many rooms we're talking about? >> reporter: the authorities didn't give us a time specifically, but they did ask everyone to be patient, because they said it's a very large building and that they did have to go door-to-door in this slow evac evacuation. so, that suggest fls it could take awhile. >> these are early reports, which, as we know, can often be -- can often be wrong. joe, is there anything that's known about the condition of the

wounded person? >> reporter: no. other than critical condition and certainly your warning there about this being early information is something i have to pass along also, because we don't know whether, for example, that person who was listed in critical condition, is now included as part of the fatalities or not. but what authorities have told us is three dead, four including the shooter, one person critical, taken from the hospital. >> and the -- is it clear, anything about the people who were killed, whether they were targets -- intended targets related to this doctor, if this person was searching for a particular medical, certain medical personnel? >> reporter: no, and that is interesting also. it's not clear at all. what we know, though, at least from a member of the city council in tulsa who appeared on

our air in the previous program, there's some indication that this individual after he completed the shooting went ahead and shot and killed himself. >> we're going to talk to that member of the city council just now. joe johns, thank you. we're expecting to hear from local authorities at 8:15. with us by phone right now, tulsa city council lor. what have you learned about this incident? >> can you hear me? >> yeah, counselor, it's anderson cooper, you're on the air. just wondering an update on what you have learned about this incident. >> well, here's what we know so far, is that an active shooter was in the natalie warren building adjacent to st. francis hospital. it's a physician's specialty building and from what we're getting from sources is that

there was an active shooter and they're looking for a physician and they were not able to find that physician. and three innocent people in that building have been -- have been shot. and we're picking up information also that there may have been another person wounded and, you know, obviously our thoughts and prayers go out to -- to the victims of that shooter. and the shooter did take his own life. and we do know that. tulsa police department, the riverside division, they actually prepared -- they did training yesterday for just such a situation and they've been trained and prepared for just this. so it could have been possibly

worse. nonetheless, this has just been very tragic. >> can you tell me a little bit about what you know about the facility where this occurred. you're saying it's outpatient, so it's not an inside area of a hospital, it's relatively accessible? >> it's not inside a hospital, it's a building just adjacent to st. francis hospital. there's a walkway from the hospital to the building, i it's -- the building is approximately nine -- i'm going to say maybe 9 to 11, 12 stories high. it's where specialty practices are located. physicians that serve the -- that hospital. >> yeah. >> it's -- it's there on the campus. >> appreciate you taking the time to fill us in a little bit more. we're expecting to hear from

local authorities at 8:15. appreciate it, kauns lor. we'll give you more information as we learn it. turn, now to uvalde, texas, and cnn's continued attempts to try and get answers about what actually happened. after more than a week of various lay enforcement officials giving out evasive answers to direct questions and now trying to hide from reporters. as you may know, colonel stephen mcgraw, director of the texas department of public safety finally gave out some hard facts, days after the shooting, revealing, finally, how police on the scene in the school were ordered to stand by and had to listen as a gunman continued to shoot inside that classroom. not just when the gunman first entered, but again, at 11:37 and then at 11:38 and then at 11:40 a.m. and then at again at 11:44 a.m. as the minutes ticked by, we now know police were in the hallway outside the classroom, listening. waiting. because, according to colonel

mcgraw, the incident commander believed they needed to wait for a tactical team to come in, believing that it was no lo longer -- that it was a situation of a person now barricaded in a classroom and that there was no reason to rush in and try to stop that shooter, as the shots continued to fire. at that point, there were 19 police officers in the hall listening as shots went off minute after minute and 911 calls were also coming in from the classroom. one at 12:10, another 12:13, a child calling for help. she called again at 12:16 according to police and more calls after that. a full hour went by before that tactical team finally acted and killed the gunman. that incident commander is pete arredondo, chief of the uvalde school district's police force at the time. he's also now a freshly minted member of uvalde's city council. he's the one who texas state law enforcement officials say has not responded to requests for a followup interview about the

shooting. it's the same pete arredondo who did not answer questions after making a brief statement on the day of the shooting with no actual details of what happened and hasn't said anything since. well, today, cnn's shimon prokupecz, who has tried to get answers day after day, well, he found arradondo and i want to play for you how that went and in particular, listen to mr. arradondo's explanation about why he isn't saying anything in public or giving out any facts or having anyone give out actual information to parents about what happened to their children and why he chose to not follow uni universally active shooter protocols. >> reporter: chief, how are you? want to talk to you about -- >> how is it going? >> nice to meet you. >> reporter: i want to talk to you -- >> just to let you all know, i spoke with -- >> reporter: i know you did --

>> just so you all know, obviously, we're not going to release anything, we have people in our community being buried. >> reporter: right, but i just want your reaction to the director mcgraw saying you were responsible for the decision to go into that m radio, how do you explain yourself to the parents? >> we're going to be respectful to the family. just so you know, we're going to do that eventually, obviously. >> reporter: when? >> whenever this is done, when the families quit grieving, we'll do that. just so everybody. >> reporter: you understand how the families feel? >> we've been in contact with tps every day. >> reporter: they say you're not cooperating. >> i've been on the phone with them every day. >> reporter: they say you're not cooperating. two seconds. >> just so you know, we've been talking to them every day. i appreciate you all. youal have a good day. >> reporter: what is your reaction? what is your reaction, sir? >> so, he's saying he isn't releasing any information because, quote, we're going to be respectful during the burial

period. and when shimon presses him, he follows up saying they'll give out factual information, quote, whenever this is done and we let the families quit grieving. really? this is why pete arredondo has been silent for more than a week, because he's being respectful. respectful would have been to make the right decisions. decisions based on training that any law enforcement officer in this country should have had by now, that would have been respectful. also, not letting false information linger out there for days. false information that just covered for what appears to be this man's own inept response. remember, all that talk about the gunman barricaded in the classroom as if he had somehow built some sort of fortification, he wasn't barricaded, he locked the door. there were 19 officers with guns outside that door. it was locked. they finally got a key from the janitor, we now know that. so, pete arredondo apparently

thinks it is respectful to let false information that portrays him and his decisions in a positive light remain in parents' minds, but correcting that and keeping parents informed, that is somehow disrespectful. as for his statement that he'll reveal the truth once the families, quote, quit grieving, i think he might want to understand that when your child dies, you never quit grieving. it doesn't stop. life is never the same. they may have to return to work and try to return to some semblance of their former lives, but it will never be the same. that bed will always be empty in their home. shimon prokupecz joins us now from uvalde. you've been such an important job trying tos get answers and i just have to say -- it really is hard to watch the way, you know, some law enforcement figures in this town have continued to stonewall and continued to cherry pick facts, you know, focus on, well, we spent a lot

of time breaking windows and getting other kids out, which is great and important, but 19 officers -- i reread what, you know, what mcgraw's statement was on friday, i mean, the details are sickening. 19 officers standing in a hallway, minute by minute as 911 calls are coming in and they are listening to more shots as they're being told, i guess by their incident commander that, oh, no, this is not -- everybody's dead, i guess that's what the incident commander thought or claimed, because i don't know how he would know that, because no one had actually checked on the bodies because they couldn't get in the classroom or they wouldn't get in the classroom. the chief said he would explain himself to the parents after qu they, quote, quit grieving. have you ever heard that. >> reporter: no, anderson. any police chief at any scene, especially after something like this, where so many children were victims, dead, injured, is out there explaining things to

parents, explaining things to the public. he's been hiding, anderson. he's been ducking. he's been hiding other officials. there were several press conferences after this by the governor, by the state authorities -- >> right, by the way -- >> reporter: he was nowhere to be found. >> they gave the governor wrong information and the governor went out there praising law enforcement, praising the response, saying if it wasn't for them going in when the bullets were firing -- we now know that is not actually really what occurred. and also, for him to say to you, you know, we're being respectful, the implication is you're not being respectful, because you're just asking questions that a lot of grieving parents would like answers to, frankly. he's -- by claiming that he's being respectful in a way that covers his own ass is just -- i was stunned when i first heard this. >> reporter: yeah, but it's also his demeanor there. if you notice, there's really no sympathy there, right? it's more about him and him protecting himself and that's how he's carried himself through

this. it's one of the reasons why i think it's been so important to confront these officials here, to get them to answer these questions, because they clearly have been hiding this information since the beginning, wanting to paint sort of this light that they did everything right, that they went in there and they were heroes and that has been always the issue here. and for this chief, who we haven't seen for days, i mean, we've been outside his house, this morning, we saw him outside his house and then we went to his office where we were able to confront him. he's going to work. he's just got elected to the city council. they held a private swearing in for him last night. the mayor protecting him so that we would not be able to question him. so, you have to ask, what is going on here and why is it that we keep getting stonewalled at every turn by several different authorities? >> i went back, i was thinking, am i, like, insane, am i overreacting to this, i went

back, i read every single, like, press conference they gave, every single statement, every law enforcement official has made, and it's all so carefully worded that it's -- i mean, when you look at it in retrospect, it just is all to glass over 42 minutes to an hour that they knew nothing was being done. >> reporter: you're absolutely right. and even when we would confront them with questions, they're like, we'll get back to you, right? remember that last thursday at that press conference. they knew what i was asking, they knew where i was going. everyone i talked to, the minute i landed here, that was the big question for me. what was going on in that hour? i have never, never seen police officials conduct themselves in this way, sadly, i've covered several mass shootings, several high crime incidents, i have never seen officials conduct themselves this way. and you know, anderson, to your point, many of the people in this community are thankful for us seeking the answers, it's not about us.

but they are thankful for it and some of these officials would like to see us pack our bags and leave and not go around -- >> well, of course. >> reporter: chasing them to try to get answers. >> this is what the strategy is. the strategy is being respectful until the funerals are over, which will be, i don't know, a week to two weeks, at which point, there's not going to be a lot of media there, probably, and the rest of the country is going to move on and they're going to then issue at some point down the road a report months from now that won't get the attention that it should get and, you know, and this kiptnd thing will just be swept under the rug because that's what they're trying to do under the guise of being respectful, and that is the most disrespectful thing you can possibly do to a group of parents whose children have just been murdered. shimon, again, i'm thankful for your reporting. thank you. i want to get some perspective now from former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe. andrew, you and i spoke, it was

the day after the shooting when i was down there and you were raising questions then about, you know, this response, which clearly, it was -- there was something that was not right, it was obvious that 40 minutes to an hour go by when there's an active shooter situation, that is a complete reversal and complete, you know, ignoring active shooter protocol. what do you make of the chief's responses here? >> well, i have to first say, anderson, as a member of the law enforcement community, as a leader in the law enforcement community, i have enormous pride in my own service to this country and for what my colleagues did and continue to do and as a member of that community, i have to tell you, this is sickening to watch. it is absolutely so -- it is so contrary to everything that you are taught and encouraged to do as a person who is entrusted with protecting the community. to have this man literally

hiding behind the grief of families who are burying their children, it's absolutely -- it's horrendous. it's inexplicable and he should be called out by people like shimon as often as possible. i mean, it's -- i can't explain it. >> when it comes to his cooperation or possible lackthereof, how is this stage in the investigation supposed to work and what are the ramifications, if the chief is not being at forthcoming as we are led to believe he is not being? >> yeah, so law enforcement agencies typically -- there's no -- there's no -- there's no pred cat for this, there's no template for when you come in to figure out what happened in a mass casualty event, the law enforcement agencies are resisting providing information. yet, in this situation, not only have they provided misinformation on numerous occasions, about all kinds of important details, but they've

done so in a way that is clearly an effort to represent themselves in the best light possible, even when that light is complete fiction. so, i have never seen -- and i -- i've managed the fbi's response to numerous crisis events, from pulse nightclub shooting, boston marathon bombing and on and on and on and i've never seen a situation like this where not only are they parse moan yus with the facts and incompetition in their relation of exactly what happened, but they appear to be engaged in a deliberate effort to cover up their own decisions and the impact that those decisions had on the lives of 19 children and two teachers. it's just unbelievable. >> i also just want to say, and i'm going to hold myself to this, i don't care how long it takes for this report to be made public and whenever the chief, when the information actually finally does come out and if it's buried in some report a year from now, we are going to

focus on it and pay attention to it and go into it in great detail, because it is -- the idea that, you know, it's very possible part of his strategy is just, you know, let's just wait until all these outsiders leave and this thing, it will just be the grieving families left, in his mind, i guess they stop grieving at a certain point, you know, just be these families left and then, you know, we'll item them what we're going to tell them. >> well, when that day comes, anderson, when that day comes i'll be here to do it with you, because i have great concerns about the doj investigation, it is not a criminal investigation, so they won't have a grand jury and grand jury subpoenas and things like that to force people to comply with their efforts, so, i'm concerned about how that's going to go, but i absolutely agree. we need to stay focused on what happened here and hold people accountable. >> this is just wrong. andrew mccabe, thank you. coming up next, the verdict in johnny depp's defamation lawsuit against his ex-wife and

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♪ i'm wishing my days away ♪ ♪ no way ♪ ♪ walking on the moon ♪ the amber heard/johnny depp trial is over for now. heard and depp found liable for defamation. he sued her over a 2018 "washington post" op-ed that she wrote, in it, without naming depp, she described herself as, quote, a public figure representing domestic abuse. allegations detailing that abuse and counter allegations by doep dominated the trial. injures found that heard defamed depp in three separate statements in the "post" piece and depp defamed heard in one statement his attorney made. the jury awarded $10 million, $5 million in punitive damages. then the judge reduced that to the state cap of $350,000.

the jury awarded her $2 million in compensatory damages. more now on the testimony that went into their decision. randi kaye has that. >> never did i, myself, reach the point of striking ms. heard in any way. >> reporter: actor johnny depp in court voufivowing he's not t abuser monster his ex-wife made him out to be. both testified at length, offering differing accounts of alleged abuse. >> the first bottle went. >> reporter: depp said during a 2015 trip to australia, heard threw a vodka bottle at him that cut off the top of one of his fingers. >> i looked down and realized that the -- the tip of my finger had been severed. >> reporter: for her part, heard told the jury depp sexually

assaulted her using a liquor bottle. >> do you recall what mr. depp was saying to you when he had the bottle and was pushing it against your pubic bone? >> he said that -- that he [ bleep ] kill me. i'll [ bleep ] kill up. >> reporter: more disturbing details ka imto light when depp testified he'd found feces in the couple's bed in 2016. depp's security guard pointed the finger at heard, yet she blamed it on the dog. each side tried to paint the other as the abuser. >> you didn't stop it. >> reporter: heard's lawyers introduced 2013 text messages from depp in which he wrote a friend about heard. let's drown her before we burn her. and i will f her burnt corpse afterward to make sure he is dead. depp explained them away in court at irreverent. depp's lawyers tried to diminish heard's credibility, citing this

journal entry. >> i'm sorry i can get crazy. i'm sorry i hurt you. >> reporter: his lawyers always accused her of doctors photos of her injuries, which she denied. and they pointed out what they said was the absurdity of her giving depp a knife as a gift. >> that's the gift you gave to the man who was hitting you? >> i wasn't worried he was going to stab me with it. >> reporter: more testimony from heard's sister, who says she witnessed depp's abuse. >> johnny had already grabbed amber by the hair with one hand and was whacking her repeatedly in the face with the other. >> reporter: among the more than two dozen witnesses, orthopedic surgeons, psychiatrists and a super model. kate moss testified in depp's defense to debunk the claim he once pushed her down a flight of stairs. >> we were leaving the room and johnny left the room before i did and there had been a rainstorm and as i left the

room, i slid down the stairs and i hurt my back. >> did mr. depp push you in any way down the stairs? >> no. >> reporter: in the end, it came down to who the jury saw as the true victim. johnny depp or amber heard? >> but i have never in my life committed sexual battery, physical abuse. >> i called him horrible, ugly things, as you can hear. we spoke to each other in a really horrible way. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, palm beach county, florida. well, coming up, one week from tomorrow, the january 6th committee begins a series of eight public hearings. a former congressman who worked with the committee is going to join us to talk about what the public may learn about the attack on the capitol and the former president.

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on this committee. it's not valid, because republicans were not allowed to appoint anybody. this is purely pelosi appointed. >> now, what leader mccarthy said is not true. speaker pelosi objected to two of mccarthy's choices. she gave mccarthy the opportunity to replace the two rejected and pulled the three that were not. in a cnn exclusive, one congressman joins me tonight, first interview since serving on the committee has a senior technical adviser and leaving it. mark meadows has been a key source of information as he provided thousands of text messages to the committee. how valuable has that information been? >> yeah, and thanks for having me, anderson. i think, you know, as my team was the first to actually see the meadows text messages when we were able to link the numbers and the names together after we

got the thousands of text messages. so, look at it, it's almost a road map to what happened. a lot of the texts haven't come out. the committee is going to do a great job linking those texts to other interviews they are. i have to tell you this anderson, when i first saw the messages, my bemusement turned into horror pretty quickly when i saw the language that was being used in there. i had to get away from the computer a couple of times. and starting november 3rd, november 4th, all the way until the end, it is a road map, and i would have to say at this point, i think mark meadows is the mvp for the committee. i think they should pay him. the data that we got from there actually allowed us to structure an effective investigation. >> you mentioned this, many of the texts that meadows provided were to phone numbers that weren't attached to a name. who was meadows communicating with and how did you figure that out? >> well, you know, i was fortunate when i was brought on

as a senior technical adviser, i did a lot of analysis, geolocation, things like that in my life. i was actually trained at nsa, but i was trained with air force special projects. so, when they brought me on, liz and the pelosi team, they understood that i had this background that was very unique, you know, for somebody in congress. so, i wrote the contracts for the phone record team and the contract for the open source intelligence research team, put the funding together, because i was a ceo, i did do program management for those type of programs. and i was able to hand pick those teams that support three-letter agencies. right now, i would say without those teams, i think they're the real heroes of this investigation. i don't like to use their names, but if i can talk about golf bravo and mike tango, right, those type of individuals that are out there right now, another mike tango, right, all these people that have been helping with the contracts and the analysis, some of the best

individuals i've ever met. and the fact is, we had to hand-select these teams, people who supported three-letter agencies and build an unclassified lab that tried to mimic a classified lab. we were able to do that on a limited budget and i'm very proud of them. but linking those numbers to those names or specific types of data bases, i'm not going to mention the names right now, but we were very effective in helping the committee linking names to numbers, thousands of them, we were also very effective in helping writing the subpoenas for records and actually identifying other, i would say other high value assets, right, that were in the ecosystem at that time. >> you said right before that you were so troubled by what you saw that you had to step away from your computer. what do you mean? what did you see that was so troubling? >> i think -- you know, i think -- i said before, you know, you start with these people can actually believe these things, but i was looking at former colleagues that were sending horrific things. you know, whether it was -- i would say foreign disinformation

videos from youtube or rumble or parlor, i was looking at things that -- it almost looked like it was a holy war within the text messages themselves. and -- >> these ares sitting members of congress you're talking about. >> that's correct. sitting and former members of congress. you're talking about trump appointees, you're talking about fund-raisers and donors, you're talking about group texts. i would get something, anderson, that might be as crazy as we need wizard spells to cast on them to stop the, you know, the monkey birds from attacking us and i would have somebody high up, you know, very high up in the trump administration say, oh that's interesting, i wonder if that's true. and it wasn't just what they were saying. it wasn't just this sort of spiritual warfare coupled with, you know, qanon types of conspiracy theories, it was the fact that nobody pushed back or they would tacitly agree or say, this is the plan we need to do. and the names that you're seeing out there on the news that's reported, there's some amazing open source research

intelligence that people can see on twitter and other poerss, those people are in these texts. it is a road map, anderson, but it is also something that you really have to try to get your arms around. i've read those messages so many times, you almost -- you almost feel like you're reading a fantasy novel. and i think people need to understand that the committee has an amazing challenge to try to get around the horror of those messages and some of the things you see on there, and it is horror, because these are people that are serving our government and you can see almost qanon and other conspiracy theories inundated the republican party all the way up to the top levels. and some of those are like the ginny thomas texts, things like that. >> you found out that meadows and others would move their conversations to encrypted platforms. i remember him saying, i'm sending you something on signal. you had no way to access that. will we never know what transpired on signal and elsewhere?

>> unless they give it up voluntarily and i think the committee's been very effective in identifying those individuals that are willing to cooperate. some of the signal chats were given up. and you know what's interesting, anderson, is, you know, my biggest fear talking to you is not just making sure, you know, i don't anger too many people since i seem to have a propensity to do that based on data, i don't want to give away how we do things. the thing i have a lot of concern about with the committee is we're giving away almost a playbook or a new, what we say in the military, tactics and procedures, that we're giving something away based on this report. so the things we have done, how we've identified individuals, how we've linked certain types of data, i believe is so robust that i'm almost afraid to go to deep into how we find these things, but we're close to 20 million lines of data. this is the biggest data exercise and effort in the history of congress and it has been -- it's been a hell of a

thing to try to get our arms around. but i think the committee is going to do a good job moving forward. >> what you're describing sounds like people within the government talking about a coup of our democracy. >> you know, anderson, you know, when i first started this, you know, i was afraid to use that term because i wanted to see the data. the term i like to use was coup-like movement lsz. it's a military thing when we would make fun of people who said they were working but they were work-like movements, they were just talking. but looking at the interconnectivity, the centers of gravity, so many people are communicating. the link analysis is absolutely massive. and what the committee has to do, because we're limited in our authority, there's some disinformation out there that, you know, we can see content, right, or we've got geolocations for telephones, things like that, we don't. so, we had to use unclassified data platforms to try to find that type of data. so, we are limited in what we

can see, but what we can see is absolutely damning. and the committee has to actually push all those nodes together, those end points that are people or organizations, they have to link that with 1,000 interviews they did, emails they have, things like that that i've been able to see, but also with the massive amount of data we've been able to analyze and i think that's very important for people to understand, that the challenge for this committee, they might not cover anything because we have such a short amount of time. but anderson, we need another year to look at the amount of data we have to see how deep this actually went. >> based on what you've seen, can you say how high this effort to overturn the election goes? does the committee have information about the former president's, you know, involvement that isn't already known? >> i dowill tell you this -- i actually refer to the meadows text messages. when you see messages that have all three branches of government involved, the forwarded text

from the chief of staff to louie gohmert. the wife of a sitting supreme court justice. when you talk abhor record, when you talk about concern, seeing the language they're using, this fan astas the language they're using, this fan astical language, the call of arms. the five most chilling words, "i hope this is true" and you're talking about gitmo and talking about things like that at the top levels of government, i would say the committee is going to have the ability to see what's going on there. and i guess -- it's just so troubling, because i see people just talk about opinions or things like that, the issue is these were policymakers at the top levels of government and the committee has to decide this. and the american people have to decide this when they see the committee's evidence. was president trump just in the current or if he was led by others by the nose, really didn't know what was going on. did he sort of know what was

going on, sort of was just a willing participant, right, and had some control? or number three, the last one, was he really part of the command and control in infrastructure and how deep does that go? and i think the data is going to be very compelling from the committee, but i think it's up to the american people after that's presented to come up using facts, not fantasy or opinion, using facts on what they think the cupability of the president is. >> denver, appreciate you talking to us tonight. look forward to more. >> thank you so much, anderson. got a live update next on the shooting in tulsa. we'll be right back. ...and our most advanced safety system ever. ♪ ♪

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an active shooter on south yale avenue. we had officers go arrive at the location at 4:56 so a three-minute response time and make contact with victims and the suspect at 5:01 and that was then making their way to the second floor. the officers that arrives were hearing shots in the building and that's what directed them to the second floor. right now we have four civilians that are dead. we have one shooter that is dead. and right now we believe that is self-inflicted. >> and joe, i spoke to the city counsellor who said the gunman may have been targetsing a specific position did the police say anything about that? >> no, they didn't say anything further. what we know is the shooter went

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