so this is our breaking news tonight. there's another deadly mass shooting in america, this time on a hospital campus in tulsa,

oklahoma. police say four people were killed and as many as ten others injured. the gunman is also dead, officials believe of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. this a week after the horrific elementary school shooting in uvalde, texas. we're covering these stories from all angles. cnn's omar himjimenez on the ground. gary tuchman is in tulsa, okl oklahoma, this evening. gary, we're going to start with you with the latest shooting. we're learning this one is at a hospital campus in tulsa. what do you know? >> well, it's really important that we don't get desensitized to this. four people who either worked inside this doctor's building on this hospital campus, st. francis hospital in tulsa, oklahoma. the gunman wandered into the building behind me. it's called the natalie building. it's a doctor's office that has orthopedics offices and

also have oncologists who went to the second floor. and we're being told by police this wasn't a random shooting. they know more information than they're telling wus, but they sy there's something that angered him and his target was on the second floor and that's where the four people were killed. it's critical, don, police say they got on the scene inside the building within three minutes, critically important because they say when they got in the building they still heard the gunshots. when they opened the door and saw the body of one victim and saw the body of the gunman, they saw a body, the gunshot stopped just a few seconds earlier. it's very possible perhaps even likely if they hadn't gotten in the building that quick this guy would have kept shooting and would have killed or injured more. finally i want to tell you in addition to the people killed there's up to ten people injured. not clear if it's the chaos getting out of the building because this is a multi-story

building. people were obviously scared and ran out and could have been injured from the chaos or not clear if some people suffered minor gunshot wounds. either way there's no one in life threatening condition. four people did die, though. >> you talked what we know about the motive. the police captain and what you just said that the person or persons were targeted. this wasn't a random shooting. but we're also hearing, gary, that this may be connected to another incident nearby. the captain discussed that with me just a little bit in the last hour. do you know anything about that? >> reporter: yeah. one of the reasons we're not -- they know the name of the person they did this and they're not releasing the name because they are looking at what we heard a couple hours ago. there was a bomb threat at a home or business nearby here, and they say it is related this bomb threat to this man who went inside this hospital. so they're still figuring that

out, finding that out and how it's tied together and how it involves this man who's now dead after killing himself after killing four people. >> gary standby. i want to get to omar who's in uvalde, texas, now. we're getting new details about the initial response to the elementary school shooting there. what can you tell us about that? >> reporter: there was a would-benisher stationed across the street frantically trying to reach the shooter. the mayor told "the post" he was standing next to this negotiator whose purpose was to try or whose main goal i should say was to try and get this shooter on the phone. meanwhile, of course, there's a lot being put into what happened inside this particular school. we learned from the uvalde county district attorney that she is reviewing the ongoing

state investigation into this and is prepared to review the results of it and determine whether criminal charges need to be filed in regards to the law enforcement potentially response to this particular shooting, don. >> there are major questions tonight about the man who was in charge of this uvalde shooting response. is he cooperating with the investigation or not, omar? >> reporter: well, it depends who you ask because the texas department of public safety told us yesterday that they hadn't heard from him in days in regards to their request for a follow-up interview. but then today only after being confronted by my colleague here on the ground, shimon prokupecz, the school's police chief said this. >> i want to talk to you about -- >> we're not going to release anything. we have people in our community

being buried, so we're going to be respectful. >> i want to know your reaction to saying you were responsible for the decision to go into that room. >> we're going to respectful to the family -- >> i understand. you have an opportunity to explain yourself to the parents. >> just so you know we're going to do that eventually. >> when? >> and when this is done and the families are done grieving then we'll do that obviously. >> whenever the families are done with grieving. what we've seen in this prosi don't think that is ever going to happen because as of course the investigative leads have been going forward we're continuing to see funeral after funeral with services expected every day through the rest of this week, continuing reminders of the irreplaceable toll of this tragedy, don. >> uvalde, texas on both of our breaking news stories tonight, thank you both. i appreciate that. i want to bring in now oklahoma

state representative. she represents the district where the hospital is located. appreciate you joining us so much. sorry that it's under these circumstances. okay. >> thank you. i appreciate it. >> four people are now confirmed dead, the shooter also dead. what's believed to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound. you were just at the hospital this morning. tell me what is going on now in your district? >> i was -- it's a lot of sorrow. you know, i want to express my profound sorrow to the families of the victims. they did not deserve this, but i also want to issue my sincere thanks to our tulsa police force, the highway patrol, the county force and our first responders who got the call and were in the building three minutes later because it could have been so much worse. and then this -- this hospital is the center of our community. like you said i was in there this morning in another building. i was there last year when they were trying to save my dad's life when he was admitted for

covid. and this is just one of the hallmark locations in our town. >> i understand you know people who work in that hospital. have you gotten a chance to speak with them? >> yes. there was just a lot of fear for a long time connecting with loved ones or friends and family members, making sure everyone was okay. unfortunately, for those families not everyone could say that or make that same contact. and these -- these oklahomaens, we deserve better than this. these things are preventable, and it's time we wake up and address them. >> did you know any of the families involved any of the people involved? >> no, sir, i don't know the identities of the people involved at this time. >> in this incident it's different than uvalde because tulsa police officers arrived and acted very quickly within three minutes of the first call about the shooting. just yesterday they had training. just yesterday, training on active shooter incidents.

you say you're impressed with their level of response. >> i am. and i can't say enough good things about them. but, you know, why were they needed in the first place? we can do so much more here in oklahoma to make these things preventable. and we have some pretty interesting laws on the books that we need to get to work addressing here. to be quite frank we had permitless carry passed three years ago where anybody can get in and get a gun and walk out and walk down the street with it. we passed a law banning red flag laws, which is somewhat confusing to me because if you know something is up you can help and you need to be advising law enforcement right then and right there and you need to be taking action. but we can't get to that here in the state, and it's past time. >> let's talk about that. police are telling us and i'm sure you've been briefed as well that the shooter used a

semiautomatic rifle and a handgun. how does that concern these weapons are so readily available? as you said in your state anyone can walk in and get a gun. >> yes, it's deeply concerning. what's more concerning we require no training to use it. here we are in oklahoma and pretty much everyone has a weapon. but if you're going to have it, you need to bear the responsibility of knowing how to safely store it and use it as well. and we've just -- we've kind of stripped those things back. here in the state of oklahoma where it's harder to get a driver's license or a food handlers permit than it is to get a weapon these days, and we can do better. >> i want to bring in former fbi director andrew mccabe. andrew, again, man. >> hey, don. >> i know it's crazy, right? i spoke to tulsa police captain tonight and he confirmed the shooting was connected to a bomb

thre threat. he couldn't say how because they're investigating, but does that tell you anything? >> i guess provisionally it tells us that authorities in tulsa are handling their their disaster in a very different way than what we've seen in uvalde in the last week. they're trying to be as trance parent as they can be at this point very, very early on in the investigation. we already know how many fatalities they've had, how many injuries they've had, and we're starting to learn more about the subject in terms of being involved in that other activity. so i think we'll probably learn a lot more as the hours go on. this is a very, very familiar position for us to be in. you and i have had these conversations many, many times. here we are again talking about trying to sort through the details of what happened around a mass shooting incident. >> let's go back to one we were discussing before this happened

and that's the uvalde shooting. you say the way chief arradondo is handling this is horrendous and despicable. tell me about that, please. >> don, it's despicable. i have great pride in that history and the men and women i served with, and to see how they are handling this situation on the ground at this point is just -- it's inexplicable, and it's an offense to the families of the victims who were struck down in this tragedy. it's been a series of mis -- just misinformation essentially, incorrect facts, and ones that are not simply incorrect but also incorrect in a way that seems intentionally designed to -- to shine the most favorable light upon the law enforcement response, which appears to be a complete

fiction. it's -- it's horrendous. you know, we saw the police chief, pete arradondo, the school police chief today talking to shimon and claiming he's not going to say anything about the decisions he made or the response he was leading while the families are grieving. and that is essentially hiding behind the grief of families who have lost children. i mean, i don't know that there's anything more despicable than that, but it's really -- it's an offense to the community and to all of us who are interested. >> i grew up in a very small town with two red lights. i think they had that when i was there. it was really small. everybody knew everybody. could it be i think one of two things. either it's incompetence, right, whatever it is they handled it wrong according to everyone involved, all of our experts here on cnn. or they knew the kid and someone said, you know, i just can't go

in and hurt andy's kid. you understand what i'm saying? i don't know. >> yeah. >> it just seems and i don't want to speculate about that, but for someone who has lived in a small town that's how things operate. >> i hear what you're saying, and i understand that as well. having grown up in a fairly small town, southern town, jacksonville, florida, as a kid. you know, there is this quality of small town america we're going to do it our way despite what everyone else says or media wants to know, what have you. we're way beyond that in this situation. you have 19 dead children, two dead teachers. and we still don't know some basic facts around how that happened. you have large respectable institutions like -- like the texas department of public safety involved investigating, and we still are getting conflicting information every day we get into this tragedy.

it's really -- it's inexplicable. and whether it's due to incompetence or lack of training or preparation or just poor leadership, it's really hard to say. but end result is it's -- they're doing a disservice to their own community. and at the end of the day when they finally come out with their conclusions i don't know how or why anyone would believe what they have to say. >> yeah, thank you. i appreciate it. so it just keeps happening over and over, the violence, the grief. will america continue to tolerate it? i'm going to talk with a former republican congressman who used to represent uvalde. that's next. it's the modern way to transform fragrance infused with natural essential oils into a mist. air wick essential mist. connect to nature.

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so schools, hospitals, grocery stores, theaters, nightclubs, graduation, no place is safe from mass shooting. while grieving families in tulsa, uvalde, buffalo are dealing with tonight is a recurring nightmare. i want to bring in former

republican congressman who used to represent uvalde, texas. thank you so much. i know this has to be tough for you. the cycle of violence and grief in this country has escalated to the point where people are clamoring for solutions. do you have a message to those who seem in denial about these shootings? they keep happening over and over again. >> look, the message is that we can actually do something about this, right? this isn't -- folks that think nothing can be done or want to throw their hands up are wrong. we can do something, but it's not just one thing. we have to do a lot of different things to address many assets -- many aspects of this problem. and it's going to require us to get out of our corners. whenever some of these things happen we always go back to our normal talking points, and we have to start with this -- the realization that half of our teenagers in this country are

afraid of school shooting happening at their school. that's a crazy stat. we've also got to get over the fact that and realize too many parents are prematurely burying their children. and if we think we need to address both of those things then we can start to look at the different aspects of this problem. >> listen, in the effort of talking about what we can do and what we can get done, should we do something specifically about guns? >> sure. look, an 18-year-old kid should not have been able to get access to a semiautomatic rifle, period, full stop. the fact that in texas you have to be 21 years old to buy a handgun, but you only have to be 18 in order to get a semiautomatic rifle, that's something that should be

addressed. now, people are going to say that's not restricting the rights of -- of gun owners that use their guns properly. and if you also want to say, okay, there's some reason that 18-year-old should have that, then go through some additional training similar to the kind of training you have to have if you want to get a hunting license. >> that's not even restricting legal gun owners, because legally you won't be allowed to carry a gun at that age. so it wouldn't be restricting legal gun owners -- >> and doing that you're not taking weapons out of and guns out of the hands of people that already have them. this is -- this is something that's straightforward. the issue of universal background checks, the fact that if you want to buy a lotto ticket oftentimes you have to show an i.d. if you look young.

anybody who's purchasing a firearm should have to go through a background check. every responsible gun owner that i know has been through a background check. and so this is one of those things everybody talks about hr-8, this is a piece of legislation that's been brought up multiple years. when i was in congress i was one of eight republicans that voted for that. this is something simple. now, would hr-8 have stopped the uvalde shooting? no. but that's still something we should do. and again to go back to there's not just one issue that is going to solve all the problems in the past nor solve all the problems in the future, but we need to be talking about these things that are sensible and reasonable and start passing these pieces of legislation. >> you know, there are countries that have offered buy back programs.

people have taken advantage of them and gotten guns out of the hands of the wrong people. guns that didn't need to be in the hands of the civilian population. should there be buy back programs for people who want to take advantage? >> look, if someone wants to take advantage of it, why not, right? you're not forcing anybody -- you're not forcing anybody to do that. and so i don't know what the -- what the opposition to something like that. again, i go back to responsible gun owners. they know you're supposed to lock up your weapon when you're at home if you have other people in your house. again, would that have solved the issue in uvalde or buffalo or el paso or sutherland springs? no. but, again, it's still something we should be looking at. >> i got you. >> the issue of red flag -- red flag laws, florida has them. a lot of other states have them. these are conversations we should be having and drive to an actual solution on a number of

these issues. >> i want to get to something else on this story before i let you go here and that is the investigation in uvalde. the chief arradondo says he is in touch daily with texas dps, but they say he's not responding to interview requests. i mean, this is a man who decided ofrtss should not immediately breach the classroom where a shooter was barricaded. and again, the investigation has to play out. so are you satisfied with the conduct of the law enforcement officers involved so far? >> well, this is -- the fact we have to get doj and somebody else in to come in and review what actually happened is -- is not a good thing. the fact that a lot of the information we thought was true has changed, that is not a good thing. there is a organization here in texas that is the law enforcement officers, unions of police departments and sheriffs. they've expressed some concern.

and, look, i spent almost a decade as an undercover in the cia. i worked with our military. i worked our federal law enforcement. i worked with a lot of state law enforcement when i was in grs. they have a very hard job, but they also have some accountability when it comes to these kinds of efforts. and so every -- every stone needs to be turned over to understand what happened not only to make sure these grieving families that want to know what happened get some solutions, but it's also for us to learn to make sure this problem doesn't, you know -- because i hate to say it. this is going to happen again. and so we need to make sure that law enforcement departments across the country know what to do. i hope that after this event that every law enforcement division across the country review their standard operating procedures in a situation like this so everybody knows what

the -- what the tactics, techniques and procedures should be used on in a situation like this. >> will heard, thank you, sir, i appreciate it. >> always a pleasure, don. president obama calling out the gop and the gun lobby tonight citing my next guest's article about why gun control never goes anywhere in this country. ron brownstein tells us why that is after this.

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americans looking to their leaders after the uvalde massacre to do something to stop the tide of mas shootings in

america, but it is unclear if any deal is possible let alone whether it would pass congress. the former president barack obama saying in a statement and i quote here, "nearly ten years after sandy hook and ten days after buffalo our country is paralyzed not wii fear but by a gun lobby and a political party that have shown no willingness to act in any way that might help prevent these tragedies. it's long pastime for action, any kind of action." so joining me now to discuss cnn's senior political analyst and senior editor at the atlantic, mr. ron brownstein. thank you for writing this very thoughtful article. we really appreciate it. so the former president barack obama shared your article in the atlantic about why gun control goes nowhere in this country. is this all on -- should we blame this on the filibuster or does it go deeper? >> well, i think the pfilibuste is the key element in it, but it is deeper.

it's the crisis of majority rule we're having as the quirks in our constitutional system give more influence -- >> you mean minority rule. >> yeah, minority rule to give those states in effect a veto over national policy. if you look at polling, don, it's pretty clear americans are in the same places as will heard. yes, they don't think gun control alone is going to solve the problem of mass shooting. they think it's a multifaceted problem. but they do believe gun control is part of the solution. and if you look at polling there is clear majority support for a lot of the key ideas that are out there -- universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons, a ban on high capacity magazines. those ideas are supported not only by a majority of democrats and a majority of independents but even by republicans who don't own guns. the problem is that republican gun owners have a veto over the policy of the republican party.

there are virtually no republican elected officials who will support meaningful gun control anymore. and because of the filibuster smaller states where the gun culture is smaller, dominated by republicans in the senate, they in effect have a veto over national policies. so you have kind of a faction in part having a veto over the entire country to act. we've watch this happen again and again and paralyzed is the word that's applied for many years now. >> as we said it's a system. could there be a long-term consequence to the way our system is setup to favor the minority position in many cases? >> no, absolutely. look, i think we're heading toward escalating levels of social and political polarization that i think is fundamentally rooted in the crisis of minority rule. i mean if you look back when barack obama was president after sandy hook they brought a universal background check bill to the floor in the senate. if you assign half of each

state's population to each senator, the senators who supported that bill represented 194 million people, and the senators who opposed it represent 118 million people. that's about as decisive, you know, as a result you can get in a democracy. and yet because of the filibuster the 118 million prevailed. same dynamic is in place today. i mean, there are negotiations going on in the senate, and they may be able to agree on a package and may even be able to get 60 votes for it, although color me skeptical until you see otherwise. but that at the most is going to be at the edges of the problem. those are the core issues of access to weapons of war and high capacity magazines and filling in the background check system. again, ideas with brought support with every element of the society except with republican gun owners. those ideas are off the table because of the filibuster and because of the republican dominance of states -- the smaller states that have -- real

quick, you look at the 20 states that have the highest per capita gun control. if you look democrats have 32 of their 40 senate seats. the difference is the 20 states with the lowest gun ownership have the lowest gun ownership people in them. in the senate they have equal weight, and with the filibuster that smaller group is right on the brink of a veto over everyone else. >> real quickly i want to ask why should we believe anything meaningful is going to happen. because tonight senator john cornyn tweeted nothing is going to happen. he's part of the group of senators working on a possible compromise on guns. >> look, there are different -- there are different versions of what's going on coming out. but, again, like any deal they make is going to be at the edge. i mean there simply is no capacity for 60 votes. go back to bill clinton's

presidency, there were 54 house republicans and 16 senate republicans voted for the brady bill to establish a background check. i think 9 senate republicans who voted for an assault weapon ban. the party has moved over the past, you know, quarter century in a direction it has become more reliant on the most culturally conservative voters. the coalition of restoration, and that has given the nra a veto over republican policy even as it has become institutionally weaker than it was. they're more reliant on their voters and reluctant to cost them even when others would support these measures. and because of the filibuster above all that has allowed within the republican coalition to dictate policies the majority of the country that wants to act otherwise. >> ron brownstein, thank you very much. an entire city at risk. rising sea levels threatening coastal communities in this

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an amazing, incredible person that worked three days straight on maybe six hours of sleep a night to make 19 caskets, 19 tributes to the victims of the uvalde school shooting. his name is tray gannen and the owner of soul shine industries. he was contacted by the texas funeral director's association on the day of the shooting and asked to make the custom caskets, right? now out of respect for the families we're not showing you the finished caskets of these victims but i do want to show you some examples of what gannen and his company have made before so you can understand the work they put in here. this custom casket is painted for a child.

another kmaexample a miniature casket designed to look like a construction truck. thank you so much. i'm in awe of what you do. >> thank you for vag me. >> you're based only a few hours from uvalde. can you talk to me about the phone call from the funeral director's association, please? >> when i got the phone call it was like a cry for help to me, and they know what i do and i've been connected. and they've seen my work. we helped with the sutherland spring shooting victims, you know. and the first thing when he started talking to me i was just thinking to myself not again. you know, this was -- i get emotional when i talk about this because we become part of the families. and, you know, this is something that's very dear to my heart. and how we help these families, you know, i can't describe it to

you unless you've actually seen one of my caskets in a service. but he asked me if anybody can do it, you can do it, so are you in? and i'm like, yes, 100%. so i jumped in the truck and told them i'm going down there and was going to let the funeral directors know i was coming and we were offering every casket for every child and teacher that passed away. >> amazing. so i understand you were able to speak to the families of these victims because you need to customize them. do you mind telling me about the conversations? what were they like? >> well, the first conversation i had was with an officer that his wife was a teacher there. we went straight to their house, and to sit in the living room and hear the stories, the beautiful stories and, you know, it takes me to the place where they were. i look at pictures.

they show me things -- you know, personal things. and for me that's where i start even though my heart is open. we hug each other, we laugh, we cry. and i get to know that person. and just like i do with all of them. you know, if someone loved hiking, if someone loved softball, baseball games, you know, the quirky things they love. and i want to incorporate that in every piece we do. it's just been a humbling experience to be able to be there to provide a little bit of light in this dark time. you know, that's why i started this business, and it's just -- it's been an amazing journey but also emotional for me mentally and physically. you know, we worked around the clock to get these done. it took us four days. i had about six hours of sleep-in these four days just

because i wanted everything perfect. and, you know, there's a lot that goes into doing that many caskets in our facility in that short a time. it's just me and my son and we have a helper in my wife. we don't have a -- you know, a 20-man team. it's a three-man team, which usually is less than two and mainly i push it all off on my son because i taught him how to paint and he's an awesome painter, and we have a heated paint booth. and it takes 30 minutes for that paint to dry and move onto the next one. so it's something we've done, and we have everything here on site to do it. >> what's your son's name? >> billy. my son's name is billy ganem. >> and your wife? >> michelle ganem. >> your daughter's on there, too? >> yeah, my daughter does a lot of the little paperwork and e-mails. >> what's her name?

>> emma. >> listen, you guys are -- i'm glad there are people in the world like you and you have an amazing family and you're an incredible person. and i thank you so much for what you're doing and appreciate you appearing. keep up the great work, okay? >> thank you so much, man. have a blessed evening. >> you too, tray. and thank you for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. do you find yourself buried in paper? this is the end. the end of paper. the epson rapid receipt smart organizer easily

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