thanks for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night. don lemon starts now. >> i have to be hopeful about they're finally may be some action on, i think you have to be careful about what you call it. people don't like to be controlled. maybe gun limits. like you have a speed limit. i think what is happening in the country and the rapid succession of all after these shootings and the young people dying, i think that there will be some movement. i'm hopeful. i have to be hopeful. i've been through this before. you've been through it before. i thought something would happen after sandy hook but now fingers, crossed and lets play this time there's a difference. >> i agree.

i cannot allow myself to be pessi pessimistic. this is way it's always going to be. you know the power and a place like washington, d.c., that's how it will keep going. if you say there's a pleating happening behind closed doors and everything will change, i'd like specificity. i would like safety as well. >> i think the mid terms will be huge. i think people will be voting on this issue in the mid terms. i've bp watching, i like to stay away from social media as much as i can but i've been looking at socme of the things from con sef conservative members of congress and their constituents are saying we have to do something. that's why i'm hopeful about it.

if they're jobs are on the line come november, i think that will put some pressure on them. >> i hope so. i hope this time is different because i don't know how much more i can take or the nation's heart can take watching another closed casket of a shichild. >> i agree. see you tomorrow. joe biden said it. to be honest about all of us are feeling, it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter if you watch me, the other networks or whatever. we're all feeling the same thing deep down. enough. the president said he's had enough. i've had enough. you all had enough.

>> over the last two decades, more school age children sl died from guns than on duty police officers and active duty military combined. think about that. more kids than soldiers killed by guns. for god sake, how much more carnage are we willing to accept. how many more incident american lives must be taken before we say enough. enough. >> he's right. the president calling for ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines and failing a ban, he wants to raise the age from 18 to 21. strengthening background checks, red flag laws and addressing mental health. he has this message for the

senate. >> i support the bipartisan efforts that include small group of democrat and republican senators trying to find way. my god, the fact of the majority of the senate republicans don't want any of these proposals even to be debated or come up for a vote. i find unconsciousable. we can't fail the american people again. >> here is the question. the question is can the president convince the country to do something this time? really it's up to the voters. can the voters convince lawmakers to do something this time? that's who it's really up to. there are so many mass shootings in america that it's really hard to keep track. just yesterday, four people, two doctors, a receptionist and a patient were shot to death in a tulsa medical building. the gunman, a disgruntled patient of one of the doctors

kill also died. >> we also found a letter on the suspect which made it clear that he came in with the intent to kill dr. phillips and anyone who got in his way. he blamed dr. phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery. >> sadly, this something i can say about all of these shootings, pretty much all of them. it's become the sdript. the gunman bought an ar-15 style rifle from a gun store, 2:00 p.m. local time. it's always a gunman bought an ar style rifle to the shooting and they bought it, most of the time, legally. less than three hours after he bought that gun, the killing started. in nine days since uvalde where 19 children and two of their teachers were shot to death, this country has had at least 20

more mass shootings. p look at the map. all over. p the u.s. stretch from coast to coast. let's not forget it wasn't three weeks ago that we learned the horrible news that ten people had bp shot to death in a supermarket in a mostly black neighborhood in buffalo new york. the suspected gun pman pleading not guilty to murder and hate crime charges as well a domestic terror charge. if convicted, he faces life without parole. let's bring in folks who can talk about this and help us get through, at least educate us on what's going on. i want to bring in caitlin collins. former republican congressman charlie dent. good evening to all of you. i wish it was you aren't better circumstances. president biden was forceful tonight. he's saying enough. he wants congress to act now.

what does he want to see happen, exactly? >> you note he kept using the word enough, repeatedly. he kept coming back to that in his speech. he did get specific talking about what he wants to see congress do. that was the crux of this speech is what is going to come out of it. a lot of things were what he said he wanted to see done when it came to guns before. banning assault weapons. reenforcing the background checks. red flag laws. laws when it comes to storage. he wants the liability for gun manufacturers to be changed. mental health also part of that as well. he talked about that at the end saying it was such a big issue here. one thing that stood out to me is something we don't hear from the president that seemed new that he came back time and time again was saying if there's not going to be an assault weapons ban, he wants the see the age required to purchase an assault weapon raised from 18 to 21.

he said that made sense. there's no argument in his mind against it. i think it was push back from what you heard from senate republicans on capitol hill this week where some of them, people like senator tom tillis questioned that idea saying if you're in the 18 and in military, you be in possession of one of the weapons. the president said that's different. you're trained by the military. he kept coming back to raising the age required to buy an assault weapon from 18 to 21. >> it's interesting because you don't have do actually carry them on the street if you're a member of the military. you use them in war zone without using them here when you're in the united states unless you're training. charlie, president biden, he knows it's an uphill battle in the senate. he knows he needs ten republican senators. what i want to know from you is are there any republican senators, let alone ten, wo would face consequences from the voters if they don't act on guns? >> don, i think they can do

something here. some of these proposals like the red flag laws. senator rick scott when he was governor of florida enacted a red flag law to allow police to go do considerates to prevent a dangerous individual from owning a gun. i think that's something they can do right now. i also happen to agree that raising age from 18 to 21 is not unreasonable. we already have limitations on purchasing handguns for those 18. they can't buy until 21 as well. universal background checks include private sales is something that's broadly supported. we voted for a bill like that in the '90s with the republican governor, the nra supported it. that's a reasonable thing. between universal background checks, red flag law, raising the age, maybe codify the banning of the bump stock, those are things that can be done. i don't think these senators, republican or democrat would pay a political price for supporting

them because those proposals are broadly supported by the american people. >> are there ten senators, republican senators? >> it's hard the say. i think there are some. i can look down the list now. i see susan collins. i see pat toomey, maybe rick scott on some of these. that's probably some others. i don't want to say there's ten. i think you can get close to ten on some of those proposals. i don't think they are outrageous. that bump stock is already administratively banned. what's so lard about doing this thing legislatively doing what we seen with the bump stock in las vegas many years. i think it's tight now. i'm not sure the votes are there yet but with public pressure there may be. >> i remember covering las vegas and the action they took on bumpstocks. no one suffered any consequences politically for supporting that

ban. some people have been optimistic about the chance for change. we have to be optimistic. let's hope something happens. are you one of those people. are you like us? >> well, i'm a prisoner of hope. i have no choice but to hope because i love my country and i believe in it. to answer the question you asked charlie, the answer is no one. i've been at there very long time. i can not think of a single republican who ever lost an election by being against gun safety laws. i can show you 19 who lost their seats because the brady bill and the assault weapon ban which ronald reagan supported but 19 of the 52 democrats we lost after that assault weapon ban and brady bill were because of guns. you're exactly right. the f entire house is up and we can vote them out and yet the very same polls that say everybody wants gun safety laws also say everybody wants republicans to take over the

congress. americans will have to decide. gop stands for guns over people. if people don't lift up the ballot box, we're just going to keep carrying coffins. >> the gop stands for guns over people. i can hear that coming up in the election. is that campaign ad for democrats? >> i lhope so. the president hinted at that tonight when he said make this outrage central to your vote. that's the problem. everybody says we need it. only people who vote on it are the people the most extreme fringe. i say this as a gun owner and a hunter and most gun owners and hunters support what president biden is try to do. the problem is not the nra. it's not. it's republican politicians are so fearful of their base and we the people have the show them that if they vote against the protecting our kids and our cops and our neighborhoods and our churches and sin ynagogues and grocery stores, if they vote against gun safety, we'll vote them out of office.

>> thank you so much. i appreciate it. in uvalde there are still more questions than answers about police response to the school shooting that killed 19 little kids and two of their tea teachers. authorities don't seem to want to answer those questions. >> we're going to get a report on friday? >> the latest on the investigation. >> there's a will the of information that needs to come out. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second scan i know my glucose numbers without fingersticks. now i'm managing my diabetes better and i've lowered my a1c from 8.2 to 6.7. take the mystery out of managing your diabetes

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good evening. gary, to you, tulsa police very transparent at a press conference just one day after the mass shooting there. what did they say about the shooters motive? >> don, we learned despite the fact that the shooter killed himself, they know why he did what he did. they found a letter on his body after they recovered the body and the letter talked about how much he disliked his back surgeon because he was still in extreme pain from back surgery and talked about how he was going to target his back surgeon and anyone else who got in his way. indeed, three other people got in his way. total of two doctors were killed. the receptionist in the office and then a patient. this man married for 54 years, husband, father, grandfather, great grandfather, vietnam veteran. just horrible how this all turned out. >> i understand they laid out the whole timeline of what happened and how the response

was kwconducted, right? >> right. what police is this past sunday this gunman bought a handgun and then yesterday he bought an ar-15 tile ristyle rifle and ca out these killings. we also learned other things about the timeline. listen. >> officers entered the building on the first floor and made their way to the second floor based on the information they received. while on the second floor of the bass buildings, officers began yelling tulsa police. this is something we train to do. as offeicers were calling out tulsa police and advancing towards a suspect location, they heard a gunshot. we believe that was the final gun shot with the suspect taking his own life. the gunshot was at 4:58 p.m.,

approximately 39 seconds after the first officers entered the building. >> police confirm that after the initial 911 call, they got inside this medical building within three minutes. if they didn't get there that quickly, they got there four minutes, 10 minute, 15 minutes. we have no idea how much more people could have been killed. don. >> usually as time goes on you learn more. you get more answers. there are even more questions the longer this goes on about the police response to the school shooting in uvalde. very few answers. very few answers. >> it's getting much more difficult as every day goes by. texas department of public safety said yesterday they would no longer be answering questions. they referred all questions to the top district attorney here, the prosecutor here in uvalde county. she is not answering questions. the state senator representing this area said today that he

spoke an got information from the state agency that oversees the emergency communication system in the state and he says he was told by the agency that the 911 calls that were made during the attack there on robb elementary, that those calls were routed in to the city of uvalde police department. different from the uvalde school district police department. obviously, it was that police chief that was the incident commander at the scene. however, we should caution that it's not exactly clear as whether or not those crucial information that was in the 911 calls whether or not all of that information made it to the police chief who was the incident commander. we still don't know that. this is one piece of information that explains where the 911 calls were going to during the attack. >> the new york times is reporting one of the deceased teachers was on the phone with

her police officer husband while she was in the room with the shooter. do you know anything about that? >> it's details that were relayed to the newspaper from the county judge here in uvalde who described that scene of this officer who is an officer with the uvalde school district police department and his wife as the teacher. one of the teachers that was killed by the 18-year-old gunman. they were on phone. this is important because it's really another clue that at some point, officers that were there at the scene were getting information that there were people alive inside that classroom as this attack was going on. the exact time line of when this call was made and when it happened and whether or not that information was relayed to incident commanders and the officers that could have responded isn't clear at this point. it's another piece of what is happening here. the urgency of understanding all of this is crucial simply

because state investigators are no longer answering questions, prosecutors and local police here aren't answering questions about what has happened in this shooting that happened more than a week ago. >> seems like every time we come to you that memorial behind you grows. is that the case? it's not just my imagination, is it? >> reporter: not at all. this is just one of them. this is the city square here in uvalde and this has become a grieving spot for thousands of people that have been coming here and the memorial at robb elementary has grown since president biden visited on sunday. it's really stunning and heartbreaking. these have become places where people can come and grieve and they find comfort being amongst one another. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. what is like to respond to an active shooter. i will ask someone wo has been in that exact position right

after this.

the president tonight pleading with congress to do something about gun violence in america. i want to bring in cnn law enforcement analysis. thanks for joining us. good evening to you. president biden, getting specific about what he wants to happen on guns including a ban

on assault weapons or raising the age to 21 to purpose them. al repealing for gun manufacturers from a law enforcement perspective, would that help end this carnage? >> i think it will. i agree with the president's ideas. specifically universal background checks. i think there's no reason why the purchase of a firearm or transif he were of ownership of a firearm shouldn't be accompanied by a background check. safe storage laws is a no brainer. i believe gun ownership is a right but more importantly, it's a responsibility. >> yeah. >> i also agree with the ban on the sale or possession of semi-automatic rifles. these ak-47, ar-15 tstyle rifle and reclassify them as class three firearms. >> you've been out on -- you've encountered these weapons.

why has that become a choice for people who are committing these acts? >> those style weapons, those semi-automatic rifles, the ar-15, ak-47 deliver a tremendous amount of fie power. they're ease of use and the fact that they can hold large quantities of ammunition. as a police officer we regularly recover 30 rounds, 50 rounds and even 100 rounds magazines, ammunition magazines. >> quite simply probably because of the ease of getting them. you have to be 21 to get a handgun in many places but you can be 18 and get one of these assault style rifles. people are analyzing their response of the police. you've been in the position to respond to these shootings. what do people need to know about what that's like for

officers, mike? >> well, there's no real way to explain a situation like that. i responded to quite a few critical incidents in my career. we used to say that you never rise to the occasion, you fall back on your training. i think it's important for people to recognize that framing for -- training for law enforcement officers vary from department to department and even departments depending on what you units you may be assigned to. it's inadd kwat. explaining to somebody what to do in a situation like that, that's instruction. training is actually having the opportunity to engage in stressful situations over and over again to make those actions

muscle memory. without that opportunity, you'll have situations where officers are overcome by fear or don't know how to think critically in those stressful situations. >> you believe every one in the police department, top to b bottom, every one needs to undergo the training? >> every one needs to participate. it's not just for the officers that will be kicking in the door. as you saw in the texas shooting, leadership also needs to know how to make the appropriate decisions when it comes to deploying the officers. >> they had training as recently as december in uvalde and still, i guess it wasn't muscle memory for them. i'm not sure how you square that circle, you're not in that police department, but seems

like they should have been versed no how to neutralize the threat. >> the idea might be there but, again, as a police officer, i went to active shooter training annually for four hours. every 365 days i attended four hours of instruction base training on allow to respond to an active shooter. in my mind, that's wholly inad inadequate. >> did your training come january 6th? >> i sought out additional training from outside the police department throughout my career. i took a job, as a part-time job, working a training company that provided training to law enforcement, military and civilians in the private sector.

the training came from some of the most elite in the special forces. i learned quite a bit from them. i accredit that as to my response on january 6th. >> i want to talk about january 6th announcing the first hearing will be one week from tonight. this obviously affects you personally given what happened to you that day. what do you hope will come of these hearings? >> i hope they do the same thing that i did which is tell the truth about what happened on january 6th. my expectation is they conducted a thorough investigation and that they are going to relay their findings to the public free of any partisan politics.

i just want to know like many americans want to know, what happened on january 6th on the days and weeks and months leading up to january 6th and in the aftermath of january 6th. >> we'll all be watching. i'm sure you'll be watching and you'll be here comment and analyzing. thank you very much. appreciate your time. >> thank you. they beg trump to stop the violence on january 6th. what some republicans are saying about it now. that cnn exclusive is next. how's he still playin'? aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength. reduces inflammation. don't touch my piano. kick pain in the aspercreme.

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world tried to get the former president to stop the rioters on january 6th. the text messages sent to mark meadows had been crucial. what did you learn? >> we went back and looked at them again and we're releasing all the key text messages on january 5th and 6th. republican members of congress were pleadsed with meadows to get trump to stop the attack and send the rioters home. there were about 150 on january 6th and here are just a few. here is republican congressman jeff duncan, 3:04 p.m.

potus needs to calm this. you can read it right there. from former trump hhs secretary tom price, 3:13 p.m. potus should go on air and defuse this. extremely important. north carolina lobbyist at 3:42 p.m. please are potus call this off. urge rioters to disperse. i pray to you. don, what you're seeing here and we put up all the teks from that day on cnn.com. people can go read it in realtime. these trump allies, supporters, associates thought he could stop it if he would just speak out immediately. >> they kept asking him over and over. it took him a long time to act. s >> hours. you spoke do more than a dozen

individuals who texted mark meadows on the 6th. what did they tell you? >> i went back to some of the same people who texted that day. i asked them what were you thinking when you reached out to meadows that day. each person said they stood by their text and they told me that they believed trump had the responsibility to speak out immediately, not hours later but immediately. they believe if he had that the attack would have stopped. quote, two hours is just inexcusable when the safety of the federal government is in question you have the duty immediately to speak out and trump was direlect in that duty. quote, i think knew he could

stop it which is why he remained silent. there's one more. this is from a former, very senior trump administration official quote, he failed at being president. there speaks to exactly the case the committee will make next week that trump's inaction on january 6th was a dir election of duty and the committee believes is evidence that he was obstructing congress and the peaceful transfer of power. >> i think he knew he could stop and that's why he didn't. sgh right. >> the committee is placing this close to the vest. they are not releasing names.

we learned the committee expects to call pence's former counsel. he put out those tweets knocking down his former law clerk john eastman outlandish theory which was trying to get pence to help trump over turn the election. we're told the committee wants to hear from former pence chief of staff mark short who was with pence on january 6th and was a critical first hand witness to many of the events. then we also expect many of the justice department folks. acting ag. let me get to it. this is jeffrey rosen. thank you for saving me. former assistant attorney general stephen angle. first hand fact witnesses to

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they are what the key people said in their own words, own wr writing, own typing. witnesses have ways of sort of changing their stories, fudging their stories, getting in line with talking points as time goes by. you can never change what you did on the day. they are stunning. we have powerful people begging mark meadows to have donald trump call it out. they knew they were attacking the capitol for donald trump.

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on gun violence that's plaguing our country and pleading with congress to finally do something about it, calling for a ban on assault weapons, failing that, raising the age to purchase them. also tougher back ground checks. i want to bring in democratic congressman from colorado. congressman, thank you for joining. i wish it was under better circumstances. we appreciate it. so president biden got specific tonight about what congress needs to do about guns. there's a lot of hope things will be different this time. are you talking to your republican colleagues about this? >> well, don, i always talk to my republican colleagues. i never stop talking to people because that's my job, that's my responsibility. the president was absolutely right tonight. he made a compelling case. the bottom line is this is a national disgrace, a national disgrace. i represent a district in the community here in colorado that has seen the columbine

shootings. every place i go i run into victims and survivors of gun violence and i'm also a father. this is insane. this is a national disgrace and it has to stop and it can stop. i'm never going to stop talking to anybody who is willing to listen. i'm going to stop doing moments of silence. >> senator chris murphy said he heard republicans may be open only to incremental changes. is that your sense? >> incrementalism isn't going to bring these children back. when you have something that 90% of america that people can get behind, basic background checks, universal background checks. you can't get 90% of america to agree on almost anything but they agree on this. we need to push hard. we need to be very vocal and

firm about it, this is what the country demands, this is what our children demand. this is not about the second amendment. this is about what the gun lobby, what the gun eindustry i trying to do to sell more guns. i grew up a hunter. then i became an army ranger and i'm a gun owner now. never, never, in all that time was this an issue of assault weapons, of a.r.-15s, it was never part of the dialogue until the gun lobby decided they wanted to sell more guns. we need to stop this insanity, get back to reasonable discussions about what we can do to save people's lives. >> so listen, the president is leaving it up to you to congress and the senate that the white house has been really staying out of the capitol hill negotiations on guns. is this speech a sign that's going to change the president's involvement or possible involvement may change here?