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that's a case of five mass shootings a day, upwards of 10 every week, after three especially deadly acts of gun violence, buffalo, uvalde, texas, and tulsa, oklahoma, and congress debating what if anything to do, president biden spoke to the country, calling for a restoration of the ban on assault weapons or failing that, raising the age for purchasing such weapons. also, banning high capacity magazines, instituting tighter red flag laws and repeal of liability shield protecting gun manufacturers from prosecution or being sued following mass shootings. >> it must end. let there be no mistake about the psychological trauma that gun violence leaves behind. imagine being that little girl, that brave little girl in uvalde, who smeared blood off her murdered friend's body, on

her own face, to lie still among the corpses in the classroom and pretend she was dead in order to stay alive. imagine what it would be for her to walk down the hallway of any school again. imagine what it's like for children who experience this kind of trauma every day in school and streets and communities all across america. imagine what it's like for so many parents to hug their children goodbye in the morning, not sure whether they'll come back home. unfortunately, too many people don't have to imagine that at all. >> the president, just moments ago. just yesterday, as you know, gunman walked into a medical office complex in tulsa, fatally shooting four people before killing himself. today, we saw more funerals for the 21 children and teachers killed in uvalde and the arraignment of the alleged killer at the super market. the killings themselves, interweave, consider phillips whose daughter jessica was murdered in the 2012 theater in aurora, colorado.

she's the survivor of survivors in power and travels the country, speaking, they were there, when there were the murders in uvalde, said they left the survivors in buffalo and headed to texas to help people there. consider what happened to 360's gary tuckman, he was with first responders yesterday in oklahoma at an active shooter training session and while at that active shooter training site, word came of the tulsa, shooting, so he rushed to report that mass shooting. here it goes, this week, this month, year after year for decades now. the killings, grieving, calls for action and effort to find some political consensus on addressing the problem, all

accompanied by the hopeful yet fateful words, this time it feels different. tonight, the president said he's been in the fight a long time, and if that sounds familiar, listen to vice-president biden ten years ago shortly after the sandy hook killings. after that, president obama put him in charge of getting tighter gun legislation through congress. >> i know for the families who are here, time is not measured in days, but it's measured in minutes, in seconds, since you receive that news. i've worked in this field a long time in the united states senate, having chaired a committee that had jurisdiction over these issues of guns and crime. and having drafted the first gun violence legislation, the last gun violence legislation, i should say.

and i have no illusions about what we're up against or how hard the task is in front of us but also have never seen the nation's conscience so shaken by what happened in sandy hook. the world has changed and it's demanding action. >> sounds like this time, things are different. three months later, a bill to expand background checks for guy buyers failed in congress. joining us now, someone in the room when vice-president biden spoke those words. her son dylan was murdered at sandy hook, elementary, nicole, thank you for being with us again, appreciate it. having witnessed that speech firsthand when he was vice-president, now ten years, almost ten years later, hearing the same message without any big legislative changes in between, what did you think of what the president said tonight? >> you know, president biden is just as passionate and emotional as he was today as he was ten years ago but i do think things are different. i hear more voices, more surprising voices leaning in than before and i truly hope this is the moment we achieve not an end to gun violence because this is such a complex solution, but a major step forward from a policy perspective.

>> what do you think is possible, then? >> i think more is possible than i thought about in the last several years. i think background checks is being discussed. red flag laws, protection orders being discussed, safe storage, age restrictions, everything is on the table right now. and there is energy around it. we're not going to get everything through, but i think this is where we're seeing two parties really working together who want to create solutions. not every senator is going to go for it, i'll be perfectly honest with that but all we need is enough to get the vote passed so we can continue to move forward and make more life-saving intervention. >> said they need 10 republican senators, do you think there are 10? >> yes, i do, but, you know, we still have a few hours and a couple of days left to agree a package that will have enough votes and i know they're working really hard around the clock on this right now. >> your senator, i know you've worked with closely, senator chris murphy is negotiating with republican senators on control, told manu raju today he is certainly prepared for failure.

are you prepared for that? >> no. i don't think failure is an option here. we've had far too many shootings, every day shootings, how many school shootings in the last ten years alone. when the president says enough, a rallying cry we've heard many years it's not just about enough lives lost, it's enough of the rhetoric, enough of the fear and emotion we hear from the extreme right. focus on the data and evidence. these are options that could truly save lives so enough of the negativity and the pessimism. lean into the optimism because this is about what's possible and i believe if both sides come together and think about that in terms of saving lives we'll make a difference. >> president also mentioned holding gun manufacturers accountable, you were part of the sandy hook families that sued remington, how important are those win to see the big picture of gun violence? >> there's a lot of different ways you need to attack a social

issue or public safety issue such as this and the legal leaver is one you can pull, when you think back to big tobacco , tobacco, that's exactly what we're doing, if they can be held accountable for sales and marketing message and see way they target young adults and shift, that can be a major change as well and that is one of the additional major solutions on the table and something i'm personally very excited about. >> nicole, thank you very much for being with us. thank you. more now on what our president said and any effect it could have on the debate in the country, cnn chief, cnn political commentator, david axelrod, and two more political cnn commentators, former trump campaign strategist. gloria, you hear nicole hawkly, sounds optimistic for things getting done. >> if she can be optimistic, why shouldn't everyone be optimistic?

it seems to me she knows more than any of us what's at stake here and is so involved in this and we all tend to be cynical about this because there's good reason to be cynical about this, which is the president proposing a renewal of the assault weapons ban, we all know that's not going to happen, but what he was doing tonight, i believe, was talking to the american people, a majority of whom agree with him on all these issues, agree with him on red flag laws, agree with him on raising the age to buy an assault weapon to 21. agree with him on safe storage laws, and on and on and on. he knows a lot of this isn't going to get done, but i think the fact and i agree with her, i think the fact that they're meeting and not giving up is something that we shouldn't say oh, well, forget about it. it may end up there, but the american people, i think, to whom the president was speaking, agree with him when he says enough. enough. enough. do it. and, you know, i think that's a

message that every parent who is listening tonight can say yeah, enough. >> david, the white house made a strategic decision to stay out of negotiations on guns between democrats and republicans on capitol hill. is that speech a sign the strategy isn't working and the president needs to engage or just the president trying to add momentum? >> well it's interesting, anderson, the last time we were all together, was the night of this horrific massacre in texas and the president spoke and he was very much not talking about what needed to be done. he did specify action. i think partly, because there has been such a dismal record of getting things done and so he has waited to see how things come together and they are coming together by all accounts.

there is a possibility of something getting done, and i don't think he wanted to be a spectator in that process. i think he wanted to play a leadership role here and so they decided now is the time to step forward. as gloria said he laid out what he wants to see, but knows that some more modest steps may be in the offing, but any progress would be historic after 27 years of inaction and he was the author of the assault weapons ban. he was involved in serious actions that deal with gun violence in the past so, you know, this is something very personal to him. >> jones, did you hear what you wanted to hear from the president? wondering what reaction you're hearing or seeing from the progressive wing and the democratic party. >> first of all, i think people should be encouraged. be encouraged. the boards are starting to creak under the weight of the pain of this country.

so many funerals, so many dead bodies and dead children, the boards are starting to creak and i think people should be encouraged. i think the president did a fantastic job. he went from being the consoler in chief to being the educator in chief, walked through the common sense arguments that are there and did it in a way any regular person would say this at least makes sense. this is not somebody trying to take everybody's guns away and even showed he is listening to some of the criticism on the 18 to 21 saying yes, our 18-year-olds in the military, they can have those weapons because they're supervised and trained by the best in the world, not the same as somebody going and grabbing gun as soon as they turn 18 and shooting up some place. i thought he did a masterful job, beautiful job, his heart was there but wasn't just heart, it was smart. he put forth the argument, i think, in a very profound way and i think people should be encouraged, the boards are

starting to creak. >> david urban, if boards are creaking, are there enough republicans who think that's a good thing? >> listen, nicole's message was really, i think spot-on. lean into the optimism and focus on what's possible is what she said, is what i heard her say and i think that's exactly correct. and for the president to come out and call for an assault weapons ban when he knows it's just not going to happen, i think is a little disingenuous. i think from listening to nicole speak, as you indicated, she obviously knows far more than any of us because she's probably intimately involved in these negotiations, there are things that can really occur here to be substantive and fall short of an assault weapons ban that are going to make a difference, perhaps raising the age to 18 -- >> 21. >> excuse me, 18 to 21. protection orders like here into florida which would make a

difference in saving lives. those will fall short of what a lot of progressives or people want but still make a difference and nicole's message of leaning into the optimism and focusing on what's realistic is a message everybody should hear and take away from this, not simply demigoge on the issue. >> but do you think there are 10 republicans in the senate -- >> i don't know, i would guess, no, there aren't. i guess these are probably, that you're going to hear a lot of people saying that, you know, red flag laws should be done at the state level like was done in florida and other states across america. that will say that state legislatures are capable of doing this and be handled at the state level, but i think there is a cause for optimism and is a real dialogue taking place among really substantive members of the senate, lindsey graham, john cornyn and others, liz murphy as a leader on this issue, is a cause for optimism, not everything on the table but still a victory. >> we'll pick up this conversation, take a short break

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tensions flared in a house discussion on issue. >> spare me the -- about constitutional rights. you know who didn't have constitutional rights to have their life respected? the kids in parkland, sandy hook, uvalde, buffalo, and the list goes on and on. >> back with david axelrod, david urban. you said the boards were beginning to creak under all the pain in this country, if you watch the house hearing today, things got so hot, it's hard to see if things can get done the way the president laid out tonight. >> listen, people can make a point or make a difference, in order to make a difference you got to make a deal. the reason people don't like deals these days is it means you're going to get less of what

you wanted, the opponent gets something they need, but that's the nature of the deal. neither side, well certainly the democrats don't have the ability -- there's got to be a deal. and there are areas where a deal is possible. i think, again, background checks. every single day we have more and more of these shooting and see it begins to have a cumulative effect. the idea the republican party can just hide in the lockerroom and hope it goes away, that's not realistic anymore and there are, i think, reasonable republicans and there are responsible gun owners that really want to see something happen. i do thinks there's reason for optimism -- it won't be all that we want. david urban is correct, we will not get all we want, but i don't think it's a situation where nothing is acceptable. we won't get everything, but i think we can get something this time. >> david urban, you heard a number of republicans saying

this about school safety, mental health issues and certainly a lot of mental health issues in this country and more resources needed for mental health, particularly for young people. we're seeing a lot of active shooters now below the age, you know, in the 18 to 21-year-old age range. i guess some are asking why can't it be about all those things and take steps to address guns in conjunction with school safety and mental health? >> i agree, anderson. and maybe that's what senator mcconnell is alluding to a package that needs to be passed and include all those things. look, we protect our banks, we protect our stadiums, we protect so many things with hardened guard and see doors and the fact we don't protect our kids the same way is just, you know, beyond my belief. and so i think what a lot of republicans would like to see is some sort of hardening the schools, what happened in florida. there was lots of money in the florida bill that passed after parkland you had, you know, the red flag laws in place, the age raised to 21, but also had huge

amounts of additional resources for mental health counselling in schools, hardening of schools, much more robust package that addressed those things. i heard the president speak of his walk through arlington memorial day, i also thought he was going to talk about shootings in general in america. over the weekend, as david knows probably all too well being in chicago, were 50 shootings alone in memorial day weekend, nine people killed in the city of chicago, so if we need to address gun violence in america, needs to be done holistically, what is going on that people so frivolously take peoples lives, need a more holistic approach to this question. >> i want to play something president biden said tonight. >> after columbine, sandy hook, charleston, orlando, las vegas, after parkland, nothing has been done. this time, that can't be true. this time, we must actually do

something. this isn't about taking away anyone's rights. it's about protecting children. about protecting families, for god's sake. how much more carnage are we willing to accept? how many more innocent american lives must be taken before we say enough. enough, enough, enough. >> gloria, one of the things the president also said tonight, essentially is that, you know, if all this fails, it's up to voters to make this a prime issue, front and center, in how they choose to vote. it hasn't been, here to for. if you look at, you know, people are passionate about it but it's not, when you look at why, what brings people out to vote, this

is not it, necessarily. >> well no, it hasn't. and you'll remember the former mayor bloomberg devoted an awful lot of money to try and say all over the country, people who are for gun control should become single issue voters, just like those who are against gun control are single issue voters and it didn't happen. it didn't work. and i think what the president was doing was getting political here and he called republicans who would vote against this unconscionable and he told voters, to whom he was speaking, that you want to make your voices heard with your votes on this issue and you want to make this a single issue if you believe as i do and as a majority of the american public does that enough is enough, if congress cannot get anything done and if you can't find, as dave urban was talking b if you

can't find those ten republicans in the senate to sign on to anything, no matter how mediocre it is, it's not going to be what joe biden wants, but whatever the compromise is, the question out there is can there be ten people from the other side of the aisle who would sign on to it? >> yeah. david, the lesson is, for the senator, for voters, who would senators risk there, you know, risk themselves by taking a gamble on this? >> well, it depends on how much of a risk they think they're taking. there are some things here so overwhelmingly supported that there isn't that much risk associated with it and if you have, you know, one of the reasons mitch mcconnell assigned john cornyn to lead these negotiations is that he has impeccable credentials with the gun-owning community, with the gun activist and so if he blesses a deal, that will give coverer to other senators to come along on a deal but anderson, i have to respond to one thing dave said, he's absolutely right. we have a terrible gun violence problem in chicago.

we also have a problem, 60% of the guns recovered there come across the border from indiana and other states with lax gun laws so it is a national problem. it is not just a state problem and we have to address it as a national problem. >> gloria, two davids, appreciate it -- refer to you guys as two davids from now on. thank you very much, appreciate it. coming up, new details on the shootings that spurred the president's speech, in tulsa, why the gunman went to the doctor's office he was targeting. still looking for answers why law enforcement didn't respond, exactly what went on. still trying to figure out, at least to tell the public and families what actually happened. we'll be right back. kitchen? sorted. hot tub, why not? and of course, puppy-friendly. we don't like to say perfect, but it's pretty perfect. booking.com, booking.yeah. my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. my a1c wasn't at goal, now i'm down with rybelsus®. mom's a1c is down with rybelsus®. (♪ ♪) in a clinical study, once-daily rybelsus®

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in speech tonight, president biden mentioned the latest mass shooting, in a facility on st. francis medical campus in tulsa, oklahoma, four people murdered including a surgeon who was the suspect's doctor and saw him multiple times before the shooting, the latest on what we know about the attack and what connects this mass shooting to so many others. >> reporter: the murders in tulsa followed a sequence of events that began two weeks ago, according to tulsa police, on may 19th, under went back surgery. the patient was released from the hospital on may 24th, five days after that -- >> he purchased a semi automatic handgun, 48 caliber smith and wesson pistol.

>> reporter: two days later, saw dr. phillips for more treatment, the next day on june 1st called the doctor's office complaining of back pain, same day, bought a semi automatic rifle from a gun store. >> that semi automatic rifle was a ar-15 style rifle. >> reporter: and then, later that afternoon, 4:53 p.m., tulsa police receive 911 call about a shooter on the campus of st. francis hospital, then more information that shots were fired in the medical hospital. four minutes later, 4:56 p.m., first officers enter the building, got to the second floor where the shots were heard within two minutes and began yelling, identifying themselves. >> as officers were calling out tulsa police, and advancing towards a suspect location, they heard a gunshot. we believe that was the final gunshot with the suspect taking his own life.

the gunshot was at 4:58 p.m., approximately 39 seconds after the first officers entered the building. >> it's a multifloor facility, hundreds of rooms, hundreds of people. it's -- it was complete chaos as people ran out and we did a methodical floor-by-floor search looking at every room people were hiding, able to get them out safely. >> law enforcement, found the victims quickly, and according to dr. phillips, a letter found on the gunman, was his target. dr. stephanie also killed as was glenn a patient, william love, hurt and killed shortly after. then, found at the foot of the desk near the gunman survived. dr. phillips was remembered as an amazing person and physician

who under went annual medical missions. >> phillips was a constant gentlemen. he was, he is, a man that we should all strive to emulate. >> we asked the police chief if he felt the shooting rampage would have continued without the rapid response. >> we are trained to go in there and stop the threat, regardless of what may happen to us and that's what our officers did. we have no reason to believe that, that he was going to stop. >> now, are police investigating anyone else who may have had advanced knowledge of this attack? >> reporter: anderson, police tell us that last night they received a call from the killer's wife and she told them that she received a call from her husband who was on this medical campus, either shortly before he carried out the

shootings or during the shootings and told her what he was up to. police say the information they have right now indicates she did not know about this in advance and you can be sure, anderson, they will continue talking with the wife. >> gary tuckman, appreciate it, joined now by someone who knew many of those killed, dr. parker, i'm sorry you're with us under these circumstances. i know you worked closely with dr. phillips and just had lunch with him on tuesday. what was he like? >> oh goodness. well like dr. robertson said in the press conference this morning, he was the consummate physician. it was interesting, i was on the associate team introducing him to our new chief medical officer, telling her a little about preston and told him, the thing i most respect about him is that he treats everybody the same. it doesn't matter if you are an environmental services housekeeper, all the way to the

ceo and other physicians, he truly just appreciated and respected peoples' humanity. i saw him one time in our little coffee shop and he often times, employees would come to him for surgery and he was very good surgeon. and one of the employees in the coffee shop had just recently had surgery and he called her out by name and she just smiled because she felt so important because he remembered her and was reaching out to her but that was just him. it wasn't unique. >> you know, we all see this on television, we've seen this, you know, for years now, happening in cities and elementary schools and churches and super market and see now medical building. to actually live through it, to know a person who was there, having lunch with you one day and several days later is killed, i mean how do you deal with this?

>> there -- i -- i don't have any words. i don't know how we deal with it. you watch other people go through this, you know, i have seen other cities go through this on the news. in fact, i moved here in 2018. i was living in dallas when we had another mass shooting in downtown dallas and the same emotions flood over you. it's why, it's how could it be me, oh my gosh, i just had lunch with him yesterday, i can't believe this, it's surreal. you don't live through it in a way that doesn't affect you. you are never the same after something happens and so i -- i don't have a good answer about living through it. i think we're trying to take one moment at a time. >> yeah. i mean, we're not just really talking about dr. phillips, there's dr. stephanie houston, receptionist, glenn and patient william love also were killed. you actually apologized to mr.

love's family earlier today i understand. >> i did. i -- one of the images that will never leave my brain and it's interesting, because i, i've been privileged to walk through the 9/11 memorial in new york and one of the things as an emergency provider is there's a haunting picture of all these emergency physicians dressed up and they just couldn't do anything, they wanted to help and there was no one to help and when we first got news that there was an active shooter, i ran down to the e.r. for my administrative office and our team was preparing, we didn't know what we were going to get, just preparing for the works and we had a full trauma hallway of just nurses, teches, our trauma team, people came from icus

upstairs just to be there, we were all ready, we wanted to use our skills and we couldn't so i did apologize. we wanted to help him and we couldn't. >> i mean that image, thinking of you all there, when people were evacuating the hospital, you're saying the staff, who could do something stayed on site to do whatever they could, just waiting to do whatever they could? >> yes, other people, we were locked down but people were turning around and coming back and you just -- you want to help. i used the term this morning, it's our job to help and heal and we can't help ourselves, that's what we wanted to do in that moment and there was just no one to help. >> yeah, and the healing takes a long time. dr. ryan parker, i really appreciate your time tonight, thank you again and i'm so sorry for your loss and all those who

are suffering tonight, who are grieving. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. thank you for having us. just ahead, more questions about the timeline and search for answers of what really happened, what exactly went wrong and the police response to mass shooting at robb elementary school, you heard the police there in tulsa describes a reaction that seems textbook, how it should be done. shinon purkupecz joins us next. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.

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with everything else tonight, also learning more the mass shooting in uvalde, texas, how law enforcement handled the shooting as it was unfolding and the school police chief who according to officials led the much criticized response, shimon prokupecz, covering the story, has there been much reaction to the meeting you had with chief aradondo yesterday who basically said, well there's grieving going on, he's not going to say anything? >> reporter: no, yeah, anderson, hasn't been any reaction. officials here not responding to anything.

of course, there was the idea, he said that he was cooperating with investigators, which investigators say that's not the case, he's not returned their calls, but there's a complete blackout right now on information, anderson, so we have not been able to get any kind of reaction. he really hasn't been seen here on the streets. he was home early this morning but certainly, there has not been any kind of new information coming from him or anyone surrounding him, anderson. >> it is interesting listening to the police in tulsa who on the day of the shooting gave out very detailed information about when the calls came in, what happened, it's really stunning when you look at that press

conference and then you look at a week later how little we still know about what happened in uvalde. i know you tried to get answers from the district, district attorney today. >> reporter: right. and that's the thing, anderson. having covered these, sadly, so much at this point, you know, there's a process here. there's a procedure. and law enforcement officials here are not following that. and so, as part of our hunt, really, for answers, we were told that officials here were no longer allowed to publicly speak about this case. not allowed to answer our questions because the d.a.'s office is now part of this investigation and the d.a. here has told them not to talk to us. she said refer them to us. so we went to her office today to ask her questions. there's a lot of information that needs to come out. madam? so you can see there, anderson, she was escorted out by the

sheriff's deputy there into her car and then just simply left and did not want to answer any questions. said she had no comment at one point when we spoke to her inside the building. but then again, this is part of the way they're operating now, refusing to answer any of our questions. >> so local authority said, at one point, said to expect a report tomorrow from the texas rangers. is that still happening? >> reporter: no, we believe that's now not happening. the local senator here, texas state senator here, he's been pushing for answers. he's been out here everyday with us, gutierrez is his name. he was hoping for some kind of information to come out tomorrow from the dps. he is asking for just some basic information about officers in the building, how many, and where they were. while he was told today, according to him, just sometime

tonight he was told by dps, the head of the dps, the man who is, in part, running this investigation, that he was told by that d.a. that he cannot release any of the information that the texas state senator -- >> the irony, the thing is, you know, texas governor greg abbott, ted cruz was, you know, make sure to stand right behind texas governor greg abbott at that press conference where they were giving out facts and information and he was going to say just the facts and a lot of that stuff just wasn't true that we now know what he said and he seemed to have been duped by it as well. it's amazing he hasn't sort of, i guess he doesn't want to get anywhere near this publicly until there's a report out, but it's amazing he hasn't come out and given new information or that nobody is. shimon, appreciate all your efforts. shimon prokupecz, it's not easy and up next, the cnn exclusive on what allies to the former president are saying now to their pleas for him to stop the violence on capitol hill and january 6th. also, learning who they will call as witnesses when the public hearings start next week. s right under their nose.

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getting guns off our streets. one democrat's determined to get it done. attorney general rob bonta knows safer streets start with smarter gun control. and bonta says we must ban assault weapons. but eric early, a trump republican who goes too far defending the nra and would loosen laws on ammunition and gun sales. because for him, protecting the second amendment

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they still believe the former president had the power and the responsibility to stop the attack immediately. this comes as a committee gets ready to start its public hearing on capitol hill one week from today. meadows selectively handed over more than 2,000 text messages back in committee before he stopped cooperating the investigation. last night i spoke with congressman riggleman. he referred to the text messages turned over from meadows was almost a road map. >> it is a road map when you look at the two plus months. we are releasing for the first time all the key text messages, anderson, from january 5th and

6th. it is a dramatic picture by picture of republican members of congress were pleading with trump to stop the attack and send rioters home. there are 150 texts that day and here are just a few. from duncan, "potus"potus needs stop this." from north carolina, "please have potus call this off at the cap capitol, urge rioters to disp

disp disperse." each one said that they believed trump had the responsibility to speak out immediately that he mailed to do that and if he had, the attack would have stopped. so this is from meadows' associate. from a senior republican "i think he knew he could stop it which is why he remained silent." that's the key point. and from an official, "he failed being president that day." it speaks exactly the case the committee is going to make next week of trump's in action of january 6 was a dereliction of

duty and they believe he obstructed in the peaceful of transfer of power. >> "you can see qanon inundated at the top level." >> there are republican members of congress, gop supporters, big donors who are pushing wild conspiracy theories. it is troubling to say the least that they are sending these messages to mark meadows. i would say the biggest concern is that meadows does not push back even though he knows these outlandish theories are false. even though he knows from attorney general bill barr that there was to evidence of widespread election fraud.

several sources on the committee told me when they look at these text messages, they believe it shows that meadows was trump's enabler and chief. >> and who could the committee lead with and what does it say about the tragedy? >> first of all, i want to say they really have not given out very much information. they're holding it close to the chest. we do expect to hear from many folks on team pence. we have been told not to expect mike pence himself. we are hearing that formal general council, greg jacob is likely to testify and michael luttig. the committee would like him to testify and finally the committee wants to hear from

marc short who was with pence on january 6th and a firsthand witness to many of the events. >> jamie gangle, thank you, we'll be right back. >> sure. but we'll gladly be functional. so you can be free. booking.com booking.yeah

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