beaches to attack troops. 10,000 allied troops were killed, wounded, or went missing in action. more than 6,000 were americans. nearly 8 decades later, the best defense foundation brought world war ii veterans back to normandy to commemorate the anniversary. about 20,000 people came to meet the veterans during a parade today. the parade was held in a town liberated by american paratroopers during the normandy invasion. the news continues. i want to hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> i'm so glad you featured that and them in particular. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." listen, the numbers are not good. day after day you're hearing about the reality of gun violence in this country. now it's at least 17 dead, more than 80 shot in 13 mass shootings all across the nation just since friday. you heard me right.

since friday, as in today is monday. unbelievably, the country is on pace for its worst year ever of mass shootings. this according to the gun violence archive. that means at least 246 since the beginning of the year. three-year uptick began in 2019. in 2020, it jumped to 610. and then just last year, we were at 692. but with all those numbers, there's really only one number to keep focusing on. i mean, that's if america wants to do something about these other horrible numbers. and that is the number ten, my friends. what would persuade ten republicans in the 50/50 split senate to sign legislation to

reduce gun violence. i didn't say eliminate gun violence. the lawyer in me does not want to lead you astray. how about saving as many innocent lives as possible with some kind of action? whether public defenders in the bipartisan group of negotiators, who's working on a potential deal, said it quite well this morning. >> there is no one thing that will prevent mass killings. a determined criminal is going to be able to eventually get a gun. i understand that. but that doesn't mean there's nothing we can do to make it harder for that person to get a gun. >> well said, pat toomey, because he's right. there is no panacea. just because you can't do everything all at once doesn't mean lawmakers in d.c. can't do something, even if incrementally. senate republican leader mitch mcconnell said today he hopes negotiators will reach a deal this week. but he will not tell you what he

would personally back. i'm not sure why. why not show your hand if you're serious about getting buy in from your own caucus. you have great influence. what's the risk of showing your hand when progress could be made? we do, however, tonight know where the most conservative democrat in the senate stands, west virginia's joe manchin, often thought of -- maybe not to him -- but to others as the thorn in the side of his own caucus, when he goes with the republican colleagues, that is. that thorn might be the democrats' rose by another name. listen to what he told our own manu raju earlier today. >> two things that could have prevented this, an age requirement would have prevented an 18-year-old. and basically a -- a red flag law that's basically intended to try to help a person get some mental help. >> you think raising the age from 18 to 21 for all gun purchases? >> it's where it is, everything except rifles and long guns

right now. or just for these high capacity weapons. whatever they want to do, i'm open to doing something that makes sense. >> whatever they want to do, i'm open to whatever makes sense. i hope that will age well. we'll see in time, won't we? he's also questioning why anyone needs to own high powered ar-15 style weapons. he does talk about, why don't you ask them that question? back away from manchin and back to the number ten. there is a new statistic that may further explain why it's so hard to get at least ten republicans in the senate on board with reforms to our gun laws. there's actually a new survey out and the result mace surprise you. 44% of republicans nationwide indicate that they accept mass shootings as inevitable, as part of a, quote, free society. inevitable. i -- i have to admit i had to process that one for a moment. the idea that nearly half would say we should just accept mass

shootings as maybe inevitable. i don't know if we can buy that coll collectively. 85% of democrats and 73% of independents say that in the poll we can prevent mass shootings, quote, if we really tried, unquote. if this is a starting point, inevitability, we got to try harder, what comes next, and what's in the middle? and frankly how do you explain the people who shot over the weekend that either a, it was inevitable, or b, we didn't try hard enough. talking about 14 people shot, three killed and 11 injured after multiple people opened fire in the south street area in philadelphia on saturday. police say five guns were used after a possible physical altercation. we'll talk now to philadelphia's district attorney -- the former major, excuse me -- in just a moment. excuse me, the current d.a. i'm joined my former

philadelphia mayor michael i'm glad that you're here. i heard a colleague or mayor say there were three parties in this country. there's democrats, republicans, and mayors. everything falls on your shoulders, as mayors, to handle what the stalemate leaves behind in congress. when you see these numbers, when you hear about the violence, what do you attribute it to? >> well, look, thanks for having me on. and first and foremost, right here in our own city, my deepest condolences to the families who lost family members over the weekend, families who had family members shot, injured, and all of the families this year, last year, and over all the years who have suffered unnecessary gun violence and in many instances death. it is one of the toughest parts

of being an elected official and certainly mayor of any city across the united states of america. we know that there are steps that we can take. we know that there are actions, not just words but actions, that must be taken. there is no reason for any civilian to have an ar-15. the ar-15 history is a weapon developed by the company for the military in the '50s, transitioned into the m-16, which was used in the '60s and then was a primary weapon in vietnam. so, it is a military-type of weapon. there is no reason for any civilian in the united states of america to have an ar-15. i am a strong supporter of the second amendment, but i also believe i have a first amendment right not to be shot. and so that's what we're seeing all across the country.

yes, there are challenges -- >> excuse me. on that point -- excuse me. on that point, when you talk about the idea of being a stronger supporter, you have to think about the greater context. you're a former philadelphia mayor. pennsylvania has been far more embracing of it as a concept than maybe other jurisdictions. if you say you can reconcile the two, how can that be? tell me about why you think you can reconcile those two points. >> of course. you know, pennsylvania, at least in our politics, very, very purple state. but when you look on the other side of pennsylvania, the western side, for instance, and some other parts, but you know, mostly in the west, there is a significant gun culture. that is a culture of families and responsible individuals, traditions, a weapon, a gun being transferred from father or mother to son or daughter with responsibility. those are not the folks that we're worried about because on

the eastern side of the state and other parts of the state, that gun culture is about shooting and killing people. and so reasonable gun regulation, increasing background check, even senator manchin talking about possibly raising the age, but also that we should not have access to ghost weapons, ghost parts, high capacity magazines. again, these are weapons of destruction. they are not for sport. they are not for hunting. as the great tradition is in pennsylvania. so, there is no conflict between the second amendment and the first amendment. this is about weapons that kill and injure people. there are certain weapons you cannot buy even in a second amendment society. you can't buy a machine gun. most people can't. >> mayor, hold on -- i want to be clear. i want to be clear. there are two different conversations that are happening, and we're in part having part of them right now. >> right. >> on the one hand, there's the idea of hunting and guns as a

recreation. you've clearly demarcated that from the eastern part of the state. you're talking about the philadelphia area. we're seeing the spikes of violence. other parts of the country. what do you attribute that to? is that a matter of you've gone after at one point in time the current d.a. on this issue blaming in part the idea of having a soft on crime or progressive prosecutorial discretion strategy. is that what you attribute the clear distinction between those who are honoring second amendment rights and those who are exploiting maybe a perceived loophole in the law or the absence of prosecution? >> well, there are certainly many reasons for why gun violence is up. it's been going up in philadelphia for the last five years, three years prior to the pandemic. so, it's not just a pandemic phenomenon. but also you want to send a message to those who carry illegal weapons that those weapons will be sought out, that you will be prosecuted, that you will go to jail for carrying an illegal weapon. and in the recent times,

unfortunately, there's been a mindset or message directly or indirectly sent that somehow it's okay to carry illegal weapons. that is wrong. that is dangerous. and that is a part of the mindset of people here in this city and others that somehow you can get away with carrying an illegal weapon. we should have a no tolerance policy for people carrying illegal weapons, ghost weapons, or any other activity that's going on. this is not that complicated, laura. and it takes strong leadership. it takes direction and action, not just words. >> michael nutter, thank you so much. i appreciate your time tonight. i want to turn now to the city's top prosecutor, philadelphia d.a. larry krazer in who said it's time for lawmakers in his state to take real action. he joins me tonight. i'm glad that you're here. you just heard from a former colleague, the former mayor of philadelphia who are talks about

the idea -- i'm paraphrasing here -- the perception that when you fail to prosecute those for having illegal possession of weapons, that they're somehow emboldened. do you believe that's the case in why there is increased violence in your city? >> it's ironic that the mayor who cancelled libraries in the public schools and terminated prevention programs for youth is now touting himself an expert on what we should do about gun violence. if he hadn't done that many yearsing a, we would have a much more robust form of prevention in this city. while i understand that he may have personal political reasons, as a non-lawyer who never worked in criminal justice for wanting to tout his own virtues. the truth is when there were lower levels of homicide in philadelphia, it was happening all across the country, just as it's happening today. no, respectfully, i don't find ex-mayor nutter to be very authoritative on these topics at all. i'm in my 34th year in this kind of work.

the issues that we are dealing with here are sweeping issues from all across the country. there is nothing that old leadership did that really brought under alccontrol the proliferation of weapons. we are in a country where we have 120 guns for every 100 people. it is more than twice any other country in the world. and we're paying the price for that. we have to do something about a country that obviously has more for guns than it is people because we have more guns. that means the kind of bold leadership that stands up to the nra, that calls them out for what they are, which is the most destructive, violent organization in the history of the united states. and we need to be voting out politicians who want to take us backwards, back towards the kind of things the nra has stood for, back towards ending prevention, like mayor nutter stood for, we need to go after that by moving forward -- >> larry, let me tell you -- excuse me. on that point, it strikes me as particularly curious.

you're calling the nra lobbying violent. meanwhile, there is the surge of violence in the city where you have some control over being able to prosecute people. now, there has been accusations that have been levelled against you in the form of saying, listen, we've got arrests being made in the area, guns are getting taken off the street, there's not a lot of convictions. what do you say to the idea that somehow the officer morale or the inability to address violence is attributed to your decisions to having more progressive notion about a prosecution and how that goes forward? again, you're talking to a former prosecutor myself. i understand the reality of having to prove a case even after an arrest. it's a very different hurdle. what do you say to it's not the lobbying, it's not the nra. it's your failure to prosecute the bad guys. >> i would say we have facts and they do not. it's not that complicated. the solve rate in the philadelphia police in the last year was only 17%. the solve rate for fatal

homicides was only 28%. while my office, like many other progressive prosecutors' offices has championed forensics that would allow the police department to do a better job. there's no interest on the part of the status quo and the dug in politicians in this field in that. they should have been done 30 years ago. we should havels that will solve crimes. on the other hand my actual conviction rate when it comes to gun violence shootings is on the order of 8%. it is as high as the most hang them high prosecutors in the past, the difference meaning we make sure they're guilty which is part of why we've had so many exonerations. people will say what they want to say. the facts simply do not support t. the gutting of prevention in philadelphia and across the country, the failure to invest in it, the movement of resources to make us the most incarcerated country in the world and also the most heavily armed country in the world, while we took those resources out of public education, out of treatment, has

been a decades-long disaster. going backward is the worst thing we could possibly do. we have to go forward. >> let's go forward. there's charges being brought against somebody who was aest ared in connection with this weekend's shooting. what's happening now? >> we do have something new, which is that charges have been brought against two people, the second of the two people known to be involved in this terrible shooting that occurred in philadelphia was apprehended by u.s. marshals and has been charged. this is a very heavily ongoing investigation. a lot of people are losing a lot of sleep over it. i have been on the phone with the chief and homicide of fatal shootings. atf is collaborating closely. there has been a gathering of a tremendous amount of video that has shed a lot of light on what's going on. one of the ironic things that we are finding is that this all grew out of a two-on-one

confrontation, two people against one person. among those three people, this started out as a fistfight. and two out of those three people were licensed to carry a firearm. the genesis of this terrible mass shooting was not about illegal weapons. the genesis of this mass shooting was about everybody has a weapon. so, fistfights that in my day would have resulted in a broken knows or at most a broken jaw turned into absolute mayhem on the streets, which takes me back. what are we going to do in a country that has 120 guns for every 100 people? what are we going to do with this? other countries have dealt with this. we need to stop acting like guns are more important than people and we need to throw out the politicians who got us here. if the nra likes them, throw them out. if the lobbyists meet with electeds, throw them out. if they take money from the gun lobby, throw them out and we will have a safer society. >> thank you for your insight tonight.

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cornish, and scott jennings. i'm glad to have you here. we heard from two people, they're not friends. they didn't agree on a whole lot. the idea toward the end of it, the idea of the d.a. krasner saying you have to lead out anyone the nra supports. it's the lobbying. it's the lobbying against the issue. it's not just the guns. what's your reaction to that? >> i'll start and say those are the words of somebody that doesn't want an outcome. we have a 50/50 senate, a nearly divided house arks democrat in the white house who's in a weak political position. you're going to have to have both parties at the table, and accept that it's going to be narrow, targeted, and jermaine to the tragedies we've seen lately. if you want to make political pronouncements, that's fine. but that signals someone who doesn't want an outcome. >> you said narrow, targeted, and jermaine. that usually fluctuates

depending on the recent shooting and media coverage. >> i think what republicans -- if they want to vote for something, they have to be able to tell their second amendment supporting constituents that this might have stopped this person from doing this act, whatever the act happens to be in that moment. so, whether it's the getting access to the juvenile records, flagging people who shouldn't have a weapon, those are the kinds of things. a lot of people talk about this debate and frame it as gun control. i think what you're going to hear republicans frame it as is criminal control. >> is that persuasive enough, the idea of criminal control? i heard both of them said it's not complicated. and they both said a litany of things that were complicated. >> persuasive to whom? >> to democrats, to republicans to get an outcome. >> nobody is going to be happy with whatever the outcome is. the people on the right are not going to be happy because the folks from the nra don't want anything to pass. their procedure is put a

chokehold on anything because it will come and take away all your guns. that's the nra narrative. and with what they have stopped any effort at gun reform, gun control for the last few years. on the left, if it's not a ban of the ar-15, if it's not a ban of 18-21 year olds, they're not going to be happy with that. i'm to the point nobody's going to be happy with the agreement. i will be happy if anything passes because it will be the first time that the nra's chokehold is slightly broken and defied. and i hope that we can build on from there and the republican politicians can see that it won't be the end of their careers and of their political lives if they stand up for their constituents and they stand up for things that 90% of americans are for, like background checks, instead of standing up for the nra. >> your bar is not so low. >> oh, it is low. >> it sounds low at first.

but you go on to talk about you want to be able to show that, hey, this incremental movement can mean not the end of your career. maybe the next time, here ducky, ducky, come on, more of it. is that too much to ask? >> that is low. you are setting a low bar. i think the question -- there's two things going on. one, your point about jermaine. the problem is that's a shifting goal post. every time there's a shooting or a weekend of violence, there are different remedies depending whether it is active shooter, mass shooter, rare event, what people would call street level or economic kind of violence. that happens. those need very different remedies and there are very different issues at play when you try to deal with it. that makes it tough. second of all, in terms of the low bar, sometimes you have what's called a catalyst event. and there are shootings where we think, oh, my goodness, how could nothing have been done, right? >> sandy hook elementary, for example.

>> exactly. though for the record there was a movement there to try to hold gun companies liable. was it successful? no. but did it put on the table a new kind of question for people to raise, which is, like, can you hold manufacturers liable in one way or another? is that fight still worth having? we'll see. and right now the catalyst event coming off of parkland, unfortunately, were those sort of red flag laws, the kind of extreme risk orders that says if you're a risk to yourself and others, maybe your curb your access to weapons. >> i live 30 minutes from parkland, and i have a cousin who was killed at pulse. his name was jerry wright. in fact, his parent wrs republican voters and republican donors. and after parkland, under governor rick scott back then, we passed in florida a ban for 18-21 year olds where you have to now be 21. this is the same rick scott who a few years later got elected to the senate as a republican and

is leading the senate re-election campaign for republicans. so, yes, there is life after voting against the nra. yes, there is life after -- against going after -- after going against the nra. there isn't life after a mass shooting. there isn't life after having to bury little children in coffins decorated with what their interests were, with little dinosaurs and superman. there's no life after that. there's no life for my cousin, jerry wright. and republicans have to understand that none of us are immune. when that mass shooter walks into that school or walks into that supermarket or walks into that church or walks into that temple, he's not going to stop and ask if somebody's republican or somebody's democrat, if somebody's pro-nra or against nra, pro-second amendment or against second amendment. so, the number people need to remember is the number to call their senator and tell them enough is enough because this is

only happening in america. >> let me tell you something. i want to play for you all a question that too many teachers are having to answer. this is -- there was a moment -- we'll explain later on. there was a teacher at uvalde who had 11 students in his class killed. and he asked him what is going on. he said, i don't know, just hide under the desk. how many more teachers will have to answer questions and have funerals. we'll talk in a moment. we'll be right back. coming up, a retired judge killed in his own home. the accused shooter had a history with the victim. my next guest is a judge who was also once targeted in a deadly attack that claimed the life of her son. she says there is a common sense solution to this kind of terror. we'll discuss when "cnn tonight" returns. >> womanan: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's servivice that fits your schedule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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a targeted attack. that's what cops are calling the killing of a retired wisconsin judge. john roemer's body was found zip tied to a chair in his own home on friday. he was shot and killed, police say, by a man he sentenced to prison back in 2005 on a burglary charge. the suspect, douglas, is in critical condition after police say he shot himself. authorities found a list of other potential targets

including michigan governor gretchen whitmer and mitch mcconnell. this 22 months, 18 days. i know you are counting. i understand why as a mother. i can't imagine what you've gone through. yet you're channelling a way to try to stop this from happening again. tell me about why this federal legislation would be no impactful to protect judges and

those who were doing their jobs to try to stop crime. >> what this legislation does is it allows the judges to seek and to remove personally identifiable information off the internet, information that the fbi calls open source information, information that has been used time and time again to target us. and judge roemer, i'd like to say that he was assassinated. and there have been so many judges that have been assassinated. and it is now time for congress to act. this was my biggest, biggest fear, ms. coates. when mark and i began this crusade to get legislation enacted, legislation named after daniel, this is what i worried about, which was another judge losing his or her life. and the news this weekend has just been devastating.

>> it might surprise people. frankly, it shocks me at times, to realize just the availability of information. the idea that somebody who could be a judge, the assumption would be, by virtue of people who are trying to retaliate in some way, angered by choices you've made and decisions you've ruled on, that there would be an overwhelming desire to protect. and you know now i believe that? we've seen it with the supreme court, with protests that have been happening. you have members of congress vying for something very similar as well. why is this such a difficult thing to try to pass? there is bipartisan support. what do you think is the actual hangup here? >> you know, i wish i could answer that question because it boggles my mind. i mean, this bill is bipartisan, bicameral. we passed the senate judiciary hearing committee with no objections. sen senator cruz, senator cotton, there's bipartisan support.

so, i don't know what the problem is. but here's what i do know. in america, this should not be happening. in america, where we value the rule of law and democracy, this should not be happening. and at this point in time, we have to say to ourselves and say to our leaders, let us now work together. let us now do what we need to do to protect federal judges and send a message to the would-be killers and send a message to the world that in america we protect the rule of law. we protect judges. that's what we have to do. >> it's so important the way you have framed that because i think when we're talking about how we hold ourselves out as a nation of laws and the value of it and the beauty of it and then not to protect those who are in charge of enforcing or handing down decisions, let's be clear, you're not talking either/or. either judges or supreme court. either congress or judges. you're saying there is room in the same philosophy for everyone to have the same outcome. >> absolutely.

i am not saying that members of congress shouldn't seek protections for themselves. certainly not saying that. but the bill has been ready for mo months. we have been begging for months. we have been doing what we can to really just, you know, stress the importance. and then we see judge roemer. and i have to tell you that when i think about his family this evening and when i think about all they are feeling i know only too well, this is a life or death situation. these are decisions that need to be made, and they need to be made now. and i -- you know, i agree with you that it isn't an either/or. this is, let's work together. let the bill go forward and then mirror our bill and push your bill forward. but the fact is that 22 months and 18 days ago, i lost my only child, one that, quite frankly, was a blessing from god.

mark and i lost -- we literally had four miscarriages. and daniel we called our karma baby. we no longer have our child on this earth. we no longer worry about ourselves. we worry about other judges, other families. and we worry -- really i worry about the rule of law because i see it eroding. and i see us as a country and as a nation in trouble if we don't turn this tide right now. >> judge, thank you for sharing. and thank you for sharing daniel with the world. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much ms. coates. have a lovely evening. >> you too. on the other side you're about to hear from a teacher who survived the uvalde school shooting, sharing the moment he encountered the gunman and the horrors inside this classroom where 11 of the 19 murdered students were killed. that's next.

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classroom, where 11 children were killed. none of them who were in mr. reyes' classroom are alive tonight. keep in mind, none are alive tonight. when you hear what he told abc news about those children and some of their final moments, you might want to brace yourself. >> the kids started asking out loud, what is going on? and i said, i don't know what's going on. but let's go ahead and get under the table, get under the table and act like you're asleep. >> he was shot himself twice. he had to play dead for more than an hour until law enforcement stopped the killer. yet now almost two weeks later, as we continue to push for answers from police about what they were doing in the critical moments that he was trying to give these children some

semblance of comfort and providing a chilling glimpse of what those decisions would mean for the children who were cowering in fear, listen to this. >> one of the students from the next door classroom was saying, officer, we're in here. we're in here. but they had already left. and then he got up from my -- behind my desk, and he walked over there and shot her again. >> you let that reality sink in. i mean, really try to imagine what that was like. i can't tolerate my children being scared for ten seconds. imagine what's going through that teacher's mind and parents all across the world tonight. we're going to talk about this, and i know the conversation is not easy. but you know what was not easy and what won't be easy? trying to forget what happened in that classroom, in either

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terms of an altercation that turned violent, these might be opportunities for legislators to say, well, there's no solution now. how could i possibly have a one size fits all bill with all these different reasons for the shooting? are there too many off-ramps now including not wanting to stay in the moment in a tragedy? >> well, i think it's hard to come up with a solution when there are so many different issues, right? you can't just say, oh, this will be the thing that solves it. so i think lawmakers in particular and especially some of the gun policy activists are looking at access for a very specific reason. the fbi has done research on active shooter events, and while the demographics don't necessarily tell you everything you need to know, there is a pattern. and that pattern is grievance. then grievance moves to research and planning, purchasing whatever you need to do to commit that offense. sometimes acting out in ways that other people notice. in the under 18 crowd, a lot of

times kids and teachers, their sort of fellow cohort notice these things, but there's no way to tell law enforcement so to speak, right? there's a huge gap between what i might have seen or heard from someone and who do i get it to? who do i tell, and then what do they do? and once you tell them that, can you infringe on their rights? do you trust law enforcement not to racially profile? do you trust law enforcement to do what they're supposed to do in terms of prevention efforts? and even in the case of, say, red flag laws, you know, in florida they didn't necessarily fund training to put those in place. so does your local police department have the ability to process even extreme risk orders? so there's sort of like a lot of moving targets, and i think -- sorry, that was a bad way of saying it, but the goalpost keeps changing, and i think that's what makes it difficult. i don't say that nra is not a problem. but i also think it's creating a

boogeyman when there is actually sort of a greater kind of cultural discussion going on about what should access be. >> i think the nra is absolutely a huge part of the problem because they dole out enormous amounts of money, millions and millions of dollars, and they move votes. they've got 4.5 million, 5 million members, and the nra has evolved. the pacts that you're talking about don't move voters in republican primaries, and that's where the legislators, cowards that they are, putting their political careers in front of kids' lives, are being held hostage. and, listen, the problem with the off-ramps is that one side wants to say it's all about mental health. it's all about school security. it's all about this. the other side wants to say it's all about guns. i don't understand why voters don't say, it's not an either/or. don't play us for idiots. this is not an either/or. we have a gun issue epidemic in

this country, and we need to approach it holistically and have an all hands on deck approach. >> i think on this nra question, the nra is not an empty vessel. it's made up of millions of people. to say that the nra moves votes, what you're saying is there are millions and millions of americans who believe in the second amendment and they strongly believe as a law abiding citizen, they don't deserve to have their rights infringed upon. >> i have a right to not be shot. what do you say to that? >> but are you a litmus test voter. is it your litmus test when you go to the ballot, or do you care more about roe v. wade, or do you care more about immigration? there are voters when it comes to gun policy for which the second amendment is their litmus test. i will not vote someone who doesn't do x, y, and z. democrats have not built the same coalition on the other side in terms of reaching the ballot box and saying, i won't vote for anyone unless they're going

to -- >> but the nra that you and i know has been around for over 150 years, and they've evolved enormously. it started as a gun club, a hunting club, started by two civil war generals. it is now mostly funded and led by the gun industry. a gun industry that got them to pass legislation in 2005 making them immune from any sort of litigation. >> but the gun industry itself is powerful, right? the nra in recent years has been really crippled by corruption. >> but they're powerful through the nra. they're funding the nra. >> go ahead. >> but truly, republican voters, conservatives, nra or not, strongly believe in the second amendment. and so whether they're going under the banner of the nra or anything else, they're not going -- whether they view it as -- they're not going to give up on something that they fundamentally believe. >> the other day, i saw the former senate president tweet

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thank you for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night. "don lemon tonight" starts right now. hey, don lemon. >> hi. how are you, laura coates? what do we have, three, four days before we have the first hearings for january 6th. we had wondered for so long if those hearings were going to be in prime time, and now they are. thursday night we will be covering it. >> i can't wait. i want to know what has taken so long. i want to know if they're going to be able to satisfy the american public's appetite for new information in light of books that have been put out, the impeachment hearing as well. there's a lot of things to talk about, and i am really eager to understand how they're going to have the legislative and oversight function, and really are people going to watch? that's the biggest question. are they going to watch with an eye towards validating this committee? >> yeah. i think people will watch. i don't think it's going to be, you know,