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magnitsky. the former homeland security is. now warning about wait for it, in america, facing more volatile threat within in the months ahead. it has issued a really alarming new bulletins. warning that violence in this country could get even worse in the summer months and run up to the midterm elections. the reason why are frankly it's stomach turning as they are eye-opening. they are saying that people on online forums are encouraging uvalde copycat attacks. how cruel. but wait, there is more. there is america's old foe, disinformation. disinformation is popping up to an extent that it too could fuel further violence. but wait, there's more. as campaigns are gearing up for the midterms, the dhs expects calls for violence by domestic extremists to not only continue, but actually to increase. but way, because there are

still more. it's not all about elections. and no, the dhs also does warrant to look out for the fallout from potential supreme court decisions. that must shock you. we are talking about the roe v. wade. decision it should surprise no one, that there will be a visceral reaction to whatever the final ruling ends up being. homeland security says that the reaction could not be visceral, but indeed violent. and it is not just limited to one side of the issue. the agency has flag both abortion rights supporters and opponents. for advocating violence. in the summary, let me tell you what it says. the summary is that the primary threat of mass casualty violence in the united states stems from lone offenders and small groups motivated by ideological beliefs and or personal grievances. just pause on that for a moment. that is the primary threat of mass violence in this country? it comes from within the united

states. now that does not mean that foreign adversaries are not stirring the pot as they certainly are. but the primary threat to the u.s. remains us. what does that mean i'm wondering for our global standing? has america lost the ability to condemn violence in other places, when our own government is warning of threats right here in this country? imagine with that would mean to a world that refers to our own president as the leader of the free world. now this homeland security alert, the new one, comes out as senate is holding a hearing on the threat of domestic terror after the racist massacre at tops supermarket in buffalo new york, and i was absolutely transfixed today by the words of the sun, the oldest victim killed in that attack. her name, ruth whitfield. and his name is darnell whitfield junior, he is a retired buffalo fire

commissioner and now he is a grieving son, who is directly challenging people in power to step up and finally do something. >> you elected to protect, us to protect our way of life, is there nothing that you personally are willing to do to stop the cancer of white supremacy. and a domestic terrorism that inspires, because if there is nothing then, respectfully senators, we should yield our positions of and 30 and influence the others that are willing to lead on this issue. my mother's life mattered, my mother's life mattered. and your actions here today, with tell us how much it matters to you. >> brings tears to your eyes to think about that question. reminds you a lot about what's senator chris murphy had to say about why are we here, if not to do something.

and i'm wondering, if the senators that he was addressing and talking about the value of his mother's life, did they hear him? house lawmakers listened closely to morrow, the testimony of 11 year old uvalde survivor me serena, she is the little girl who smeared her own friends blood on her own body just to have the government think that she too was dead. and did any member of congress watch uvalde native and actor matthew mcconaughey's emotional plea for action on guns at the white house today? >> nine year old rodriguez. she wanted to be a marine biologist. turned out to be the only clear evidence that could identify or after the shooting. how about that. can both sides right above?

can't both sides see beyond the political problem at hand and admit that we have a preservation problem on our hands. for me's sake, can both sides actually walk the walk. her shoes, the only way to identify her little body. so we can actually get 60 senate votes. certainly not banning assault rifles were told. listen to what gop senators said to cnn earlier. >> why do you think that people need to have ar-15s in this country? >> talking about a constitutional right to keep and bear arms. people who are law-abiding citizens with good mental health aren't a threat to the public. >> in my state to use them to shoot prairie dogs and other types of vermin. and so i think that there are legitimate reasons why people would want to have them. >> used for sporting events,

sporting activities all the time. >> you shoot prairie dogs with ar-15s? i'm from minnesota, home of the gophers, but i didn't realize that ar-15s are used to actually shoot them. that surprises me. probably many of you who own weapons as well. so what do we want to prioritize in this country. we are hearing a lot of positive things on the bipartisan gun reform. white house says that president biden is optimistic. believing any step quote, is a step forward. not exactly the definition of high expectations. let's bring in some other minds into the mix. we have kacey hunt, navarro and goldberg with us tonight. i don't mean to sound tongue and cheek everyone, but the idea of saying that you have to have an ar-15, because you might want to kill the occasional prairie dog, i don't think that's going to be persuasive to anyone. think about where we are, is there room for optimism, is

there room for the united states to suggest that this time will be different? >> i think it's really tough. the reason why they're saying, that not because it's actually going to make a difference or convince anyone this is a great idea, because he knows there are people in a state, he's up for reelection. who are going to vote against them. used to shoot prey dogs or whatever they do with it. there's a deep cultural divide on this issue and i think that the plea that you heard from matthew mcconaughey. look, i'm from texas, are from this place, thought about being a politician, but he's not. he said we've got to look at this is humans and that is what washington has been so bad on this issue. i covered the post-sandy hook attempt to do something about this issue. i followed, and it was the most difficult story i've ever had to cover in my entire career. following most families from senate, office to senate

office. with just their children's death on their faces, begging the senators to do something. democrats controlled, had more seats in the senate, control the white house and they could not do anything. went from this giant package to this tiny skinny thing, just background checks. they could not do it then and now they know they can't even do comprehensive background checks, had to skinny down the background check bill. i'd be interested in jonah's perspective as a republican on this too. the question that i have is, how much will it matter to actually get something done, anything at all. how symbolic would that be for republicans who can go and say, okay, didn't lose my seat in congress, we all did this together. maybe we actually can try to fix this. imagine that, losing you're seeing congress is the calculus over a loss of human life. that's the calculus? it seems it is. >> do you know these people? >> i don't. but that's the truth. that's the reality of the rhetorical question. don't consider myself a republican, consider myself

conservative. i literally have a very good friend who shoots prairie dogs with the ar-15. i don't like shooting cute things, never mind vapourizing them. i think there's a lot of people who your questions of why do you need guns for this and that there. if you are a second amendment supporter, you never hear the way you think about it. why do you need to assemble those people. considering it a fundamental right to justify your fundamental right is a bad framing of the question. >> there are other areas where people of the justified. the first amendment comes to mind. the idea that everything is not and conditional in the civilized society. >> i get the point. but joe biden says this all the time. no right is absolute, he's

absolutely right. uncontrolled laws. machine guns have been banned since the 1930s. the reason i am hopeful about this is that i do think that senator murphy has the right idea. but the first thing you have to do is convince republicans that you can vote on some kind of reform. and not pay a terrible price for. have to take off this notion that any movement towards gun reforms of anyway is a definite for republicans. if you go, big is just not going to work. >> i saw that happen in florida. i live 30 minutes from parkland. and i saw us pass red flag logs after part looking. i saw this increase the age to obey an ar-15 to 21. i'm hopeful, because what's yours do we have.

my husband has 12 school aged grandchildren. i've got a 32-year-old teacher, and he's, and he soon as a teacher. and is terrified of going to do her job. i've got a cousin who was killed at pulse. and whose parents also want jerry's life to matter. what's going to have but to be hopeful. and what do i see as different. that sandy hook, we now know that sandy hook was not a one-off. we've seen parkland, we've seen you've all day, we saw columbine. we know this is not happening once every ten years. we should not be acceptable. it's happening once every ten hours, once every ten days. we were still bearing the victims of buffalo when you've all day happened. and i say thank you to matthew mcconaughey, for using his platform. nobody can accuse him of grandstanding. he has to walk those streets.

this is a town of 15,000 people. he knows that park, he knows that flaccid which is now filled with little crosses. and he is using his platform so that we can be talking about it. and we can all realize that your children are not safe, your children are not safe. your child is not safe and my husband's grandchildren are not safe. >> you said that to me, and i think that there are so many mothers. i think about, you drop your kids off at school. we had to do that after you've all the. that is the kind of visceral, deep reaction that people are having, that the country is having. and i think the question is so true. you said the. i had a panic attack, when my daughter first showed me her kindergarten classroom, i remember walking into that classroom and she was so excited to show me her seat. and the first thing i thought was, my god, the first desk in front of the door. and i thought about having her see changed. so that you could have a chance,

if a gunman came in. a gunman in her kindergarten classroom. i thought to myself, how selfish. emma cousin putting a another child in danger. >> both of you having that fear is the fact that there are little children having that in america who have the exact same fear. who in addition to being underpaid and overworked and being told what they have to teach and having all of these books band and feeling shunned if they are gay. now they are also being told that you have to arm yourself and you've got to protect yourself and act as a first responder. being a teacher in america has become a dangerous profession. we'll kind of country are we? it's got to come to a point and a time when american citizens and american voters pick up the phone and call their senators and say enough pass something. sadly we are gonna talk about this more, it's not just schools, synagogues, movie theaters and the name of

prairie dogs. casey gonna stick around up next a rare interview with the mayor of uvalde. exactly two weeks after the shooting massacre, willing to answer a few questions from cnn, including this one. >> hearing what you've heard so far from the officials, do you have confidence in the local police department to continue their duties? >> i do. >> really? should he? we will talk about that in a moment. and plus perspective from a police chief and another small texas school district when cnn tonight returns. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. ♪ sweet ♪ ♪ emotion ♪ ♪ sweet... ♪

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that moment? by police, by the people who are supposed to protect you? >> absolutely. after everything, i get more angry because you have a bulletproof vest, i had nothing. [crying] i had nothing. you're supposed to protect and serve. there is no excuse. for their actions. i will never forgive them. >> the shooter killed every single student in your classroom? >> [crying] yes, ma'am. i lost 11 that day. i want to the parents and said, i'm sorry. [crying] i tried my best. please don't be angry with me.

>> it's hard -- it's hard to hear. the guilt that he is burdened with, and should have never had to bear. please forgive me, he's asking those parents. i can recall the last time i heard, from the powers that be, in uvalde, that 19 children and two teachers were killed that day. we still don't know why it took so long for police to move in, and why they're stories have changed multiple times, even the uvalde maris says, he's in the dark. >> we need answers as to what happened. the school -- there are investigations going on, we'll find out what happened. i want those answers just like everybody else. >> why is he still waiting to? uvalde counted yay said, it will be awhile before --

in the meantime, we've got nothing from school police chief, pete arredondo. what is this mean for accountability and school safety going forward? >> i want to bring in texas school police chief, bill -- who oversees a police force, just like the uvalde school district. thank you for being here, chief. when you hear this, i always wonder, what's going through the minds of other law enforcement agents in this country, who are hearing this, who are waiting, as we all are, for answers. do you feel sympathy for the officers in not being able to get information, do you find yourself casting dispersions were giving the benefit of the doubt? >> thank you, laura, for having me. it is absolutely devastating. as a career law enforcement officer, for a few decades, i cannot imagine the pain of the victims families, and the community there. it's absolutely unconscionable

that this act occurred. >> why are we still waiting for answers? i know everyone always wants to play -- on issues that are benign, let alone as tragic as this. why do you think they're still waiting for answers? is it about a union, is it about lawyer-ing up, is it about trying to get all the information before they have the whole picture? what is the delay about? >> well, it's hard to say, not being on the ground there in uvalde. i expect some of it is wanting to take enough time to get it right. we did hear some missteps early on, obviously. it's more -- it does create problems with survivors and the family members, by all means. i think, it's more of trying to piece together the mountain of

evidence that is involved in an incident of this magnitude, to be able to definitive in what went wrong. >> you have these conversations all across the country, parents are afraid, they're wondering if their children are safe, for most places -- we're still sending our kids back to school. are you feeling, in your own community, some of those concerns from parents, from your own officers who are looking to you to figure out, hey, we have to have a change of plan, or we need to really implement something or follow a different protocol? on your watch, what's happening? >> we're out of school for summer now. we ended on the 27th of me. we're out right now, we're having conversations with our community. i have fielded a number of questions from parents and from

school board members, our administration. we are working as a team to review our processes, and our protocols, our procedures, to be able to reassure, come august, that we are in a position to do everything humanly possible to protect their children. >> do you think that you are in that position though ultimately? you are hearing about the 19 officers and i know that we are still learning information as you are speaking about. but think about the notion of the presence of some of these weapons. your forces aren't carrying them. they are not the ones who are going to have all of the equipment that may be ultimately able to defend in a holistic manner at least initially. do you have concerns given the current laws that will have shortcomings? that you will be ill equipped to try to thwart an attack like this again? >> i can tell you this that

from myself down to my department, we are going to go in. we are going to make an entry in, we are going to go to the threat and we are going to do our best to neutralize the threat. and protect life and limb there after. we have equipment and we have trained regularly. we use the alert protocols here in texas almost exclusively. >> what does that mean, alert protocol? >> that is the advanced law enforcement rapid response training. they are an agency at texas state university and say marcus. and they have developed the rapid response protocols. came into being after columbine, that says that we do not stand around and wait on swat teams. the initial responders, it could be one officer, could be

two officers. whatever it is, form a team and go in to see what they can do to neutralize the threat. >> godspeed, thank you chief for your time tonight. >> thank you, a pleasure. >> something has to change. a lot of people are just trying to help make a difference, including some with very famous faces that you recognize, like actor matthew mcconaughey, a uvalde native. we are going to show more of this powerful appeal from ghana reforms from the white house briefing room, next.

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whatever you thought of matty monica's words, it was undoubtedly a remarkable moment in the briefing room. the oscar winning actor got very real in the 22 minutes he spoke of presidents, and passed secretaries, pleading for lawmakers to take action, following the massacre in his beloved home town of uvalde. his mom was actually once a kindergarten teacher, less than a mile from robb elementary. mcconaughey sheer numerous personal stories about some of the victims, like irma garcia, one of the teachers who was killed. she and her husband joe had

been putting away money for the past three years to pay their house, their goal was to eventually retire. irma is husband died the day after his wife, possibly from a broken heart, according to his family. mcconaughey spoke of nine-year-old victim, -- rodriguez. he brought her green converse sneakers with a heart drawn on them to, highlight how so many of the victims could only be identified through items on their bodies, or through dna. we thought it was important to share more of his profound message, which the nation saw on live tv today for 22 minutes. here are some of those key moments. >> we need to recognize that this time, something is different. we are in an window of opportunity right now that we have not been in before. a window, where it seems like real change, real change can happen. you know what every one of

those parents wanted, when they asked for, they want their children's dreams to live on. they want their children's dreams to continue to accomplish something after they are gone. they want to make their loss of life matter. families of the deceased, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, texas rangers, hunters, border patrol and responsible gun owners, who won't give up the second amendment to bear arms. you know they all said, we want secure and safe schools and we want gondolas who will make it so easy trick bag us to get guns. when he responsible gun ownership. responsible gun ownership. we need background checks. we need to raise the minimum age to purchase an ar-15 rifle to 21. we need a waiting period for those rifles. we need red flag allows and

consequences for those that abuse. them responsible gun owners are fed up with a second amendment being abused and hijacked by some deranged individuals. these regulations are not a step back, there are a step forward, for civil society and the second amendment. there should not be a partisan issue. there is not a democratic or republican value, in one single act, of the shooters, to not. but people and power have failed to act. so, we're asking you. i'm asking you, will you please ask yourselves. can both sides rise above? can both sides see beyond the political problem at hand and admit that we have a live preservation problem on our hands! maybe set an example for children. give us reason to tell them, hey, listen, watch these men and women, these are great american leaders. hope you grow up to be like

them. let's admit it, we can't truly be leaders if wrongly living for reelection. where do we start? by voting to pass policies that can keep us from having as many columbine's, sandy hook, sparklers, las vegas is, buffalo's and uvalde's from here on. we start by making the law of these lives matter. >> he spoke for 22 minutes. extremely powerful words it's also powerful to hear, for 55 more minutes, a teacher had to play dead with 11 dead children around him. the people with the power to act on his pleas, will they do something? we'll continue this conversation next. so we fit your style. our installers complete your work in as little as a day so we fit your schedule.

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guns at the white house today from actor, matthew mcconaughey. we plan lot of the sound is our, really because it's resonating 's with so many people. i want to bring back our panel who are nodding along, as well as into it. you had some really visceral reactions and some really strong ones about where you are hearing. you pushed back a little. bit >> yeah, so -- look, i think i agree with everything he said and i share the moral outrage, entirely. i should outrage with everybody on this panel about how horrific in morally repugnant these things are. when i listen to listen -- and i have a daughter, i get being scared. if we're gonna start telling people that they should be scared that this is going to be happen, we should put some of this in perspective. there are 54 million kids in american schools, and the last 29 years 170 kids have been killed in school shootings. >> how many --

how does that compare to if my kid goes to school in great britain, or canada? >> one school shooting -- look >> it's too many. >> my approach is the exact same way it was about terrorism. the number of people killed on 9/11 was not -- you can say, more people kyrie -- i don't care. it's unacceptable. the more outrages entirely acceptable, unjustified, but if we're going to be telling people, you can't switch lanes. you're absolutely right to be outraged about the crime. if we're gonna tell people that they should be terrified about their kids being dropped off at school, you should remind them that your kids are in more danger -- that's a fact. >> a child left cannot be a statistic. you can't tell the parents of waukee nodal or. you can tell fred guttenberg. -- >> i'm making a basic point to say that you shouldn't tell people to that they should be terrified. >> --

>> why is -- it >> you're making it sound as if that i don't have compassion for these people. >> i'm saying you should intel american pete -- the audience that this is the thing that they should be so terrified about, when the kids are more likely to die from a lot of other things. >> you know what happened because of that? we have been because of that is that we have car see law that passed. we had c bell oz, now we have speed laws. it used to be that more people died of cracks audience. more kids have quietly didn't. more people died of pool accidents. we have fences around pools because we passed regulations. this is one of the only places we're not doing anything has become status quo -- shame on us for accepting that. i'm not morally bullying you. i've got children i care about,

and so you do you! >> i do! when you're making a sound as if -- you point out that there are the -- risks to your kids -- there are -- if you want to protect your kids, there are things you have more control an agency over then randall mad men shooting up schools. so >> we shouldn't do anything about? it >> no, i don't know why you keep going to. that >> you're making this into a statistic conversation. instead of about the fact that there are children being buried in coffins. >> i said, i am morally outraged by that. i think it's grotesque and one shot child is too many, as far as i'm concerned. if you're take that moral outrage and then tell people that they should be paralyzed with fear that this is going to happen with them in their kids, you're doing them a disservice. >> i'm not saying that. >> hold on! >> i'm saying that they should pick up the phone and call their senators. it's been ten years in sandy hook, in that we haven't done anything that's a national shame! paralyzed with fear in parlors

with acceptance and resignation is where we've been for the last ten years! it's enough of that! morrell -- get yourself in gear in call your senators! >> i'm do analysis, i'm not doing activism. if you want to tell everyone to call senators, that's fine. >> hold on! wait a second! seriously, i want to hear from both you. i want to govern casey but also one clarify this point. morrell bullying -- the idea of providing -- you want to provide perspective. you want to know that there are other ways that children died. got it. both can be true. you can also be fearful of gun violence, and also talk to kids about other aspects of it. casey, you have the same moral outrage. we have the idea of the objectivity in the approach to it. what can be done? >> >> i just want to say to your point, jonah i'm not saying people should be afraid of, that is on the point i was trying to make earlier. i was trying to say, people are, because they see what is happened. they are afraid.

your point is well taken, that there are 1 million different ways you can be harmed, but the reality is, there are regulations and things we all agree on. it is much harder to get a drivers license and buy a car than it is to buy an ar-15, which is kind of, when you think about it, we regulate cars because they are dry machines which are capable of killing people. >> i get. that this why compare to terrorism. terrorism is to scare people. as i said, this is his six are beside the point in how you should think about terrorism's, whether it's domestic, or international. >> but our system is not equipped currently. this is part of a much bigger conversation about whether the entirety of our government is equipped to handle the challenges because it is so divided, and in many ways, our system and how they operate in washington is so broken that it doesn't line up with this -- the vast -- matthew mcconaughey used the phrase, the middle. he talked about both sides.

those words have become -- in our d.c. language, right? it's literally -- asana polarizing statement. it's the vast editor of the country who, frankly, is completely outside of our political process because they see it and -- >> hold on. you know? what a commercial break is coming. we're coming back to casey -- in fact, the most populated state may sentiments is the entire nation tonight. three years ago, we saw famously right california county turn blue. voters in two key liberal cities really the shake things up -- including a recall campaign. allotted on the issue of crime and violence in this country. more in the moment. it was a sight to be seen. until one day, it was all burned to the ground. but fire is no match for the fire within black dreamers everywhere. and so, new black wall streets rise. ♪ ♪

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as i'm speaking to you right now there are voters that are answering the question of whether their elected officials keep them safe or make them feel safe, and they're answering it in the voting booth. in san francisco the progressive d.a. is facing a potential recall while in l.a. the race for mayor is centered around the questions of crime and homelessness, and it's part of the reason u.s. congresswoman karen bass is being challenged by former republican rick caruso. >> i'm running for mayor because the city we love is in a state of emergency. rampant homelessness. people living in fear for their safety. >> now, the number of people living without a home in california far exceeds any other state. of course we can't conflate homelessness or housing insecurity with crime. but some voters do. and images like this are far too common in california they have a powerful influence on voters. l.a. and san francisco are two of the most liberal cities in our nation, and both are experiencing quite a dramatic shift in the perception of the

role of policing and accountability from just two years he wake of george floyd's murder. but from then till now the numbers of assaults and auto theft in san francisco, well, they're up. even as things like robbery and burglary numbers are down. and in l.a. both murder and property crimes and violent crimes are up. those numbers are reflected nationally. a majority of americans say they worry, quote, a great deal about crime. let's talk about what this means for democrats in november. well, you guys hear this and thinking about what is the top of mind issue for voters, it goes back to your point about what people are concerned with. you talk about the moral bullying you mentioned, but there's the reality that crime is up and there is cause for concern. >> it is up. and you can see it in the statistics across the board. anecdotes are not data, right? but i certainly have experienced this as a resident of washington, d.c., that there is more crime in my local

neighborhood, in my community there are more carjackings, we're hearing difficult stories. and the way this ties into our national narrative you've got a couple of things going on. you've got a lot of social factors that are really hard to solve with policy, income inequality, mental health crisis, we're having difficulty, many people are on the streets because they have mental health problems, et cetera. and that's sometimes what people equate with crime or people who are simply dealing with other issues. but there's this lawlessness, this sense of lawlessness in the wake of the pandemic i think that has a lot of people unsettled. and when you combine it with the recent history of some democrats using the slogan "defund the police," you've got a lot of people connecting these two things. they're connecting what they're seeing and feeling in their own lives to what democrats were saying to the point that a lot of national democrats are trying to run away from that, defund the police slogan. and it's a tough one to do. >> there's also a very 19 p 0s show feeling to this. people aren't necessarily rational about these things. inflation feels like it's out of control. gas prices feel like they're out of control.

in the wake of covid we had huge spikes in air rage, road rage. people didn't like being cooped up. >> they're still driving like maniacs. >> they definitely are. >> it's insane. so when you feel like things are out of control -- >> i live in miami. you want to talk about driving like maniacs -- >> i could never live there. >> the city or country that has one-party rule or one party is in control of things and the status quo feels incredibly unsettling, it's a big problem for whichever party it is. and some places like san francisco and l.a. in particular, where homelessness really is out of control, public drug use really is out of control, it's all put together in a big blob. >> look, i think the common thread here is accountability. and holding authorities accountable, right? so there's things that you depend on your local authorities to be in charge of. crime in your city. like potholes. like traffic. like construction -- there's things that you depend on your state authorities to be in charge of. like i really like ron desantis to make sure i can buy home insurance, which right now has been canceled.

and there's thousands and tens of thousands of other floridians in the same boat. there's things that we depend on, we want from our federal authorities. and so the people that are in power, if they are democrats, if they are republicans, are the ones that are going to be held accountable when citizens are unhappy with the way things are going at the different levels. >> it's called democracy. right? >> it's called accountability in voting. >> i mean, it is. the idea, one thing that's very concerning that you talk about, is that if the response is taking it to the voting booth to address these issues, i think we're all fine about this notion. but we're what, two days away from the first public hearing on january 6th where you take it to a violent extreme if you're unhappy. >> right. and that's the thing that i think really is what we're grappling with. and you started the show out with this, with the department of homeland security saying that increasingly people are going to try to solve -- whether it's their own personal problems or they perceive to be problems in the world with violence. and for me january 6th was an attack on my workplace. i was covering the capitol. i was there.

and it was one of these things that was just incredibly unsettling not just for the public and critically important democratic-related issues but because it was a demonstration of a deep insecurity in my personal sphere, in my personal world. and i think there are more and more americans who are starting to experience that. and the more instances we see that are publicized and become these huge things, the more there are copycat attacks. there are other people who think this is how we're supposed to solve our problems. and you combine that with the fact that there are fewer and fewer people who have faith, even if they don't want to be viernlths they don't have faith that our political system can -- >> listen, i fled a revolution and a civil war. for me it was an attack on everything i thought america stood for that was different from places like venezuela and nicaragua and cuba and the places that people flee from and come to america as their refuge. >> if we're asking those questions, we're in a different world, aren't we? we'll be right back.

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