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thanks for watching. i'll be back friday night. join cnn tomorrow for attack on democracy. the january 6th hearings are live. special coverage begins at 7:00 p.m. eastern. don lemon tonight starts rite now. hey, don lemon. >> we'll be here late into the evening covering it for you on this very program. we'll look forward now to what will happen tomorrow. thank you. see you on friday. this don lemon tonight. on the eve of the first public hearing by the committee investigating what happened on one of the darkest days in our history. that's january 6th. we have brand new awe yoed of
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w -- audio of what republican lawmakers were saying just day after. i want you to hear kevin mccarthy describing what happened and how he called the then president to tell him to call off the eye rioter. >> on the phone call to the president telling him what was going on. asking him to tell these people to stop, to make a video and go out. i was very intense and very loud about it. he did put a tweet out and later a video out. i told him i didn't like the video out later. the second day i wish the video was first. >> what they are saying then and what they are saying now. then it goes onto kevin mccarthy calls for a bipartisan to
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investigate the circumstances around the attack and to insist we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we cannot just sweep this under the rug, he says. this is from arkansas congressman french hill pleading with his fellow republicans to get the then president to do the right thing. >> all of you have such a great, wonderful, warm relationship with donald trump, why don't you get on the phone to him, tell him to call joe biden and tell joe congratulations and they ought the meet and schedule a meeting. if he does that in the morning, maybe he will resolve some of this stuff. >> that was then. it's interesting to hear what they are all saying now. that is happening as new evidence is still coming out. the federal judge ordering right wing attorney john eastman to turn over 159 e-mails to the committee. e-mails that could shed light on what the judge calls quote, his and president trump's pressure campaign to stop the electoral
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count. the e-mails due to be turned over next week. tomorrow the january 6th committee starts to show their work and to make their case to the american people, live in primetime. the chairman says it's a possibilities they will play video from ivanka trump's interview though not in tomorrow's hearing. he says they are looking at playing video from jared kushner's interview. there's a lot to get to this evening. i want to get to jonathan martin and alex burns. the authors of "this will not pass." i'm so glad to have you hear. thaun thank you so much for joining. to hear kevin mccarthy say he called on the day of the insurrection and he was very intense and loud, he didn't seem to doubt that trump had the power to stop that attack, did he? >> no. it's one of the most important implications of the audio that you just heard.
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this was not kevin mccarthy saying he called president trump and they shared outrage over what was going on or he briefed the president and he took it seriously. he saw people rampaging through the capitol. he describes his own evacuation from his own office and he decides who can i call who can make this stop. he calls donald trump. that decision on its own speaks volumes about the dynamic that that day. he says it took a little while for the president to do anything productive in response. that tells you a whole lot more about what kevin mccarthy knows and has not shared in public about how the president responded in realtime to what was going on and what else he might have done to try the bring an end to the violence. >> here we are less than 24 hours until the january 6th committee unveils their findings and your newly released audio
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shows what republicans thought about january 6th and having a committee to investigate that just days after the insurrection. this is more from kevin mccarthy and you'll and i will talk. >> sure. >> i know there's going to be some dark days. it's going to get really dark. the one thing i will tell you, we should take this moment, change course to improve and more importantly, we've got to be united to what the democrats will do in future. we cannot just sweep this under the rug. we need toe know why it happened, who did it and people need to be held accountable for it. i'm committed to make sure that happens. >> we said he wanted bipartisan investigation. at what point did his view not to sweep things under the rug change? his trip to mar-a-lago to meet donald trump was a month later. >> it was less than a month. it was back before the end of january as you can see in picture on the screen there.
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i think once mccarthy realizes that his members and a lot of republican voters don't care that much about trump's conduct on january 6th, that he basically loses interest in any kind of accountability and wants to move past it or borrow his word, sweep it under the rug. there was a vote in the house in 2021 to establish a bipartisan panel to investigate january 6th and mccarthy turned against it because of pressure from donald trump who had no interest in that kind of a bipartisan panel. as we get to in the book, there was real frustration in the ramp ranks of the house gop fwlauz was support. even among sort of more conservative, even sort of fairly pro-trump members of the house gop who still wanted the kind of accountability for january 6th that kevin mccarthy is talking about in that audio that you just played.
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>> what was the decision, though? why did every one come to this decision to sweep it under the rug. even the people who said we can't let that happen. what happened? did they realize -- >> politics. >> yeah, politics. they realized the talking about donald trump and holding him accountability was going to divide their party and they were better off talking about joe biden and criticizing democrats. that just was what their voters wanted to hear and their eyes that made more sense politically and that's what they did. i just don't think it was anymore complicated than a straight, very raw calculation based on the politics. we go into the book at some length. i think the mind set in the days after january 6th, in both the house and senate was let's hold trump accountable. that changed pretty rapidly once the leaders realized their voters didn't want
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accountability. >> you say politics as well. let me play this clip and let you respond. this is a heating exchange. this is representative jamie butter confronting representative lauren bobert for tweeting information out in realtime where members of congress were. >> is it true you were live tweeting from the floor our location the people on the outside as we were being attacked, lauren? >> yes. those tweets did go out and it was live and public information. it was broadcast live. >> don't ask us about security if you're asking the attackers where we're at. i yield back. >> that was something being broadcast live from c-span. once we were on move, there was nothing else that was broadcast. >> alex, what does that exchange reveal to you? >> i think it reveals the extraordinary tension even between republican members of congress in the days after january 6th. don, this something that
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republicans have swept under the rug. it's something democrats used to talk a bit more openly than they do today is the fear in those days and some cases up until today. there may be folks in congress who represent a security threat to themselves because they are carrying firearms around the capitol complex or bringing in people who might be carrying a firearms. we report in the book the days after january 6th, how democrats rr desperately trying to change the screening procedures around the inauguration. change the method that joe biden was going to use to travel from delaware to washington because they were afraid about an attack on the incoming president. just this climate of incipient violence was everywhere. it was within the house republican conference. what you hear there and this is an important moment in the book and in the modern history of the republican party and the house of representatives as a deliberative body is one republican confronting another
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not over ideological differences or strategic differences but accusing her and calling her to account for sharing information that could have -- that she believes could have put people in physical danger during the insurrection. >> it's astounding to me. it seems like they made the calculations, i think they realized how terrible it was for them and that was part of the calculation. i really want to play this. i want to get as much of this sound in as possible. jonathan, this is for you. this is from january 5th, the day before the attack. he is saying he won't to certify biden's electors raising this theory about fraud and adam kinsinger shutting it down. >> there's one check left between fraud, completely taking over the presidency and the department of justice and the intel a rap tus and they were
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involved too. i'm not going there publicly. >> i have flo no doubt that vot fraud existed in every election but is it enough to take a 300 some electoral victory and cause us to over turn it? i love you, but you mentioned a comment about an intel agency being involved in this. do we really believe the cia vote twitch like we have seen on twitter. every conspiracy theory i have research has been debunked but it's hard to do the research the find it's debunked. >> will the 1/6 committee debunk some of these th theortheories? >> yeah. i think you hear in that audio that the frustration and really the makings, don, of the break up between a handful of house
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republicans and the bulk of the gop caucus. people like kinsinger and cheney and a few others like fred upton who chose to retire. have no time for the conspiracy mongering fringe in their conference but who have lived with these members for years and years and years and even before the election for putting up with that kind of totally unfounded speculation about the cia being involved in over turning the election. i think that's what radicalizes people like kinsinger and promises them to wind up where he will be tomorrow on the 1/6 committee installed there by speaker nancy pelosi. somebody he did not have much of a relationship with two years ago. >> this is from representative debby before the riot. she was worried about what would happen. listen. >> i'm very concerned about this
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because we have, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people coming here. we have antifa and trump supporters who actually believe that we are going to over turn the election and when that doesn't happen, most likely will not happen they are going to go nuts. >> let's be clear. another conspiracy theory is that antifa stormed the capitol. they did not storm the capitol or infiltrate the mob. she was worried about trump sp supporters becoming violent. she knew what could happen. >> it's something you hear over and over in republican conversations amongst themselves. you have the folk who is are true believes who think the election was stolen, making the case for objecting and the folks who think it's totally, legally and constitutionally inappropriate and you periodically have these voices speaking up. debbie is an interesting one. she's quite a conservative
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member of that. folks speaking up to say, you know, we're leading people on here. we're letting people develop a set of expectations about what we can do on january 6th that's just not rooted in reality. it's seldom you hear someone articulate it in the way we heard in that clip where she draws a straight line between those bogus expectations that they might stop joe biden from becoming the president and the risk of actual, physical danger to members of congress. boy was she right. >> the folks out there storming the capitol have paid some consequences. now it's time the see with the hearings if lawmakers will face some consequences as well because of there p be thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. the book again is this will not pass and the audio book is out today. we appreciate it. we'll see you soon. i want to bring in now denver. he's a former add visor to the house elect committee and a former congressman from
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virginia. thank you for joining. appreciate it. >> hey, how are you tonight? >> i'm doing well. it's been almost year of collecting evidence. thousands of texts, e-mails, phone calls and hearing from more than a thousands witnesses. what should we expect tomorrow at this first primetime hearing? >> timeline. i think they will show the timeline to the american public. they show video. when talking to the police officer. i think they are trying to re-entr re-introduce the timeline to the american public. that's what i would do. video is very powerful but it does sort of standardize the timeline so they doing a bottom line up front. >> there's this newly released awe owe from republicans, including kevin mccarthy talking about having castigating trump during the day of the insurrection and the meadows text messages.
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you've called meadows the mvp for the committee. what troubles you most about those texts? >> i think what troubled me was there's like a conspiracy theory really had infiltrated every, i would say, every level of the republican party. you heard louie with adam was talking about the intelligence a pa apparatus. all of them are bizarre. i've said it before. these are individuals that think it's a documentary. adam's frustration was coming from people who are ignorant about how the government works. that's scary when talking about congressional representatives. when looking at, i would say private communications or looking at public communication, you're looking at what you're seeing open source intelligence, you're looking at all these things, those text messages were a road map not only to what was happening in realtime when it
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came to choosing off electors or other types of ideas or conspiracies that would happen, it roel was a road map to the entire republican party some of in lock step or the people on the text messages and the people in public reporting to try to behind the stop the steal ridiculousness which was a qanon conspiracy theory. >> people should know the expertise comes from military intelligence. tomorrow the committee will focus on the right wing groups and the idea it was premeditated. the proud boys, ooet keepers, video of the ooet keepers walking toup the capital with arms on shoulders. do you believe there are connections between these groups and the white house? if so, what and how? >> that's what the committee has the look at. they have to look at the data. it's something i want to say quickly.
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the committee can walk and shoe chu chew gum at the same time. when talking about connections, you're talk about what the economy is trying the prove, they still have data coming in. even though we're looking at the six hearings now, i wouldn't be surprised if there's oh things coming on today. you mention about the 159 e-mails from eastman. all the data from the archive, other data coming in from requests happening months ago, that's coming in. they are still connecting the dots. i the tell you the one thing the american public should look at, if there's one word to straent on tomorrow and the rest of the hearings and all the way until the report is released, it's coordination. that's what the committee is setting up tomorrow with timeline and try the prove the coordination between multiple groups for the day of january 6th. >> mull apprtiple groups meaninh groups? the qanon, proud boys, oath
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keepers, white house? >> they're looking at a lot of groups. not only do you have right wing extremists which we're all very familiar with. you have rally planners, individuals in the state legislatures. the people around trump. you have congressional representatives. all these people are part of the issue when talking about january 6th. all of these groups, all of these individuals, all of the planning, all of that has to be reviewed by each separate portion of the committee that has the responsibility. then they have to merge the data and present toyoit to the publi. >> do you think that's provable? >> i think with the da tta they have and the way they are putting it together, i think it's possible. >> thanks so much. the committee may play video from ivanka trump's interview with them at some point during the hearings but tonight we have inside details on what she and jared kushner were doing in the
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house select committee zeroing in on donald trump and those surrounding him. what will we learn from the committee's first primetime hearing tomorrow night. joining me now, cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. here we go after a year and a half of discussing this and finally the first hearings will happen in primetime. the committee says we're going to hear new information tomorrow. chairman benny thompson says at some point we could see video testimony from the tomorrower president's daughter and adviser, ivanka trump. what key information could she have shared with that committee? >> thank you so much. first of all, ivanka, t ivtrump her husband never believed in trump's rigged election fantasy and absented themselves rather
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than wage a fight to stop those promoting it inside the white house. she and her husband both testified on video to the select committee. there's been reports they may show video tape portions of it on january 6th. back and forts up and down the stairs. repeatedly asked to go to trump to try to get him to call off his supporters. as we all know, he really didn't do that. in fact, even taped a video message in which he said we love you. she could have enormously interesting testimony. she's not spoken publicly about this. >> this is from your -- you have this new reporting on the upcoming book with her husband on final days of the trump administration including what jared and ivanka trump were doing after the election through january 6th. i want to read some of the reporting about curb kushner
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from pete's piece. he understood his father-in-law would not concede right away but he believed if there were some irregularities it was mainly a way of soothing a wounded ego and explaining defeat. mr. trump would lash out and make outlandish claims and would accept reality and move out of the white house. an assumption many republicans made only to discover how far the president was willing to go. how did he react on january 6th? >> he, meaning jared kushner? >> yeah. >> well, interestingly, don, he wasn't even around until late in the afternoon. he was in the middle east, as we all know. he's now raised billions of dollars including from the saudi investment fund. there's a question being investigated by house committee about whether he leveraging his official government work to do so. he was on a plane back from the
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middle east as this horrible attack on the capitol is taking place. he returned home just about to get in the shower that afternoon when he receives frantic, panic phone call from kevin mccarthy, the house minority leader who was radically changed his story from what it was on january 6th. he pleads with jared kushner to help, once again, intervening with his father-in-law but kushner quickly concludes there's really nothing he can do. >> your reporting shows lot of people in trump's orbit did not believe the election was stolen. one key player in the kwhous leading up to january 6th was trump's chief of staff mark meadows and you reported on his strategy in the final days of the trump administration. what did you learn about meadow and what might the committee know? >> meadows has been, for someone who has not been up there testifying, has been a key witness. he turned over thousands of text
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messages that have been released to the public. those text messages are crucial evidence. they show that mark meadows was in the words of one of our sources, a matador for trump. waving the red flag of the rigged election at him. facilitating the entrance of what another former white house colleague kcalled the crazies. letting the crazies into the oval office. one of the conclusions i came to after doing this reporting, it's very possible january 6th had not happened had a different and more responsible chief of staff been in place. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. great reporting. thank you. next, an 11 ye-year-old testifying to congress telling them how she had to spear plood on herself to survive the uvalde school shooting. >> she's not the same.
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survived last month's massacre at her uvalde elementary school. she described her experience that day and what she wants the see following the horrific tragedy. >> he shot through the window and went to the other classroom. then he went -- there's a door between our classrooms and he went to there and shot my teacher and shot her in the head. then he shot some of my classmates and the white board. when i went to the back, he shot my friend that was next to me and i thought he was going to come back to the room so i grabbed the blood and put it all over me. >> if there was something you want people know about that day
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and about you or things that you would different, what would it be? >> to -- >> do you feel safe at school? why not? >> because i don't want the die. >> you think it's going to happen again? >> for nor now, i want to bring in the chair of the house oversight committee, representative carolyn maloney. thank you so much. this was really such gut wrenching testimony today from a lot of folks but 11-year-old. tell me what it was like for the committee to hear from a victim, so soon after a mass shooting. >> it was highly emotional. it was heartbreaking. there were many tears in the room from every one listening and it was -- it brought to life the pain and the suffering of the families in realtime. they know more about gun loss
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than anyone. they just experienced it. they all spoke with the same voice saying they hope that we would act, that we would have the courage to pass comprehensive gun safety legislation and move forward. >> do you think -- >> actually we passed a comprehensive package but i would have gone further. i would have banned assault weapons which were the weapons used in both buffalo and texas. >> that's what i was going to ask you. do you think the victims were heard? do you think your colleagues especially on the other side of the aisle took this seriously enough? were they moved by this testimony? >> i know that many of them said they were watching it. they were listening. hopefully that they will be. we did on some votes pick up as many as ten republicans. usually they just vote and block
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against gun safety legislation. this time we did have some republican support. hopefully, we'll have it in the senate. senator schumer has said he has a committee, a bipartisan committee that is working oncoming forward with bipartisan proposal. i'm hopeful that we will move forward. >> the only pediatrician in uvalde who rushed to the hospital to help testified. >> in this case you are the doctors and our country is the patient. we're lying on the operating table riddled with bullets like the children of robb elementary and so many other school. we are bleeding out and you are not there. my oath as a doctor means that i signed up to save lives. i do my job. i guess it turns out that i am here to plead, to beg, to please, please do yours. >> when you hear this pediatrician begging congress to do their jobs versus what's
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likely to pass, what do you tell him? >> he lost patients in one day and his testimony was moving. i hope my colleagues on both sides of the aisle will open up their hearts and work for the meaningful gun safety reform. it's long overdue. we stand alone in mass shootings. we have more than any other country in the world. if guns made us safer, we would be the safest country in the world but we're the most danger. we need to act. >> representative, the mother of 10-year-old lexi rubio lads out a list of demands for gun control policies . she wants ban on assault rifle, red flag laws and the raise the age to purchase these to 21. thereon her warning. >> somewhere out there there's a
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mom listening to our testimony thinking i can't imagine their pain. not knowing that tour reality will one day be hers unless we act now. >> it's been ten years since sandy hook. is she right? is this just going to be more and more -- there's going to be more and more parents reality for them since congress can't come together on this? >> hopefully congress will come together. we're not going to come together if we don't try. at the very least we have put people on record, on where they stand on gun safety legislation and it will be taken out to an election. personally, i think voters should vote for representatives that will work for and pass gun safety legislation. fundamentally, we're a democracy. this will be on the ballot coming in the mid terms. at least we'll know where they stand and they will force a vote in the senate too.
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police arresting an armed man earlier this morning near brett ckavanaugh's home. hes he's charged with threatening to kidnap or murder a u.s. judge. he called authorities on himself saying he was having suicidal thoughts and had a firearm in his suitcase. he told law enforcements he traveled from california to kill and i quote here, a specific united states supreme court
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justice. he was dressed in all black with pepper tray, zip tie, a hammer, screwdriver and duct tape. he appeared in federal court and agreed to remain in jail. this man said he was upset. he said he's concerned about an upcoming gun control case. he thought killing kavanaugh would give his life purpose. this was very fearly another tragedy. >> this is really scary busy. that list of stuff that this guy had with him. this a terribly, terrible thing. it's bad enough it happened but we can only be grateful it didn't get worse. it didn't turn into a real act of violence but this is just a
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sign of how ugly things are out there. the supreme court has this enormous ugly fence around it now. that has been put up since the leaked opinion came out. i think that's indicative ov the security system state of affairs at the supreme yort now. >> as i said, in the introduction to you, he is still in jail. he remains in jail. what do you expect to come for him on these charges? >> i think he's going to be prosecuted. he is charged with attempted murder which is a 20-year sentence. i think in a larger sense, when i started covering the supreme court 20 years ago, they walked around more or less like members of congress. they didn't have security. they were public figures but they were not under constant threat. that's changed. it's only going to get more intense, the security around the justices. it's too bad it's come to that. given the circumstances, you have to think that's the right
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decision. >> we have to talk about what just happened just this week to judge roamer. retired judge in wisconsin was found zip tied and killed in his home by a gunman with a hit list. it was 4500 threats to judges last year, alone. it didn't use to be like this. judges and their families were able to, live their lives pretty publicly and pretty freely. what has changed? >> i think it's the general ugliness of our lives that today there's just this more violence. actually the number of murders is down from where it was in the 90s but there is this tremendous, the tremendous number of guns out there. public figures get death threats more than they used to. it's just, i think indicative of where we are as a society. one of the federal judge in new jersey someone came to her house a couple years ago trying to
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kill her, wound up killing her son. she's become a big spokeswoman for increased security. there's a bill before congress to increase security for judges. i think it's just got to be done. there's no alternative. people are in danger. >> jeffrey, thank you. we'll be watching tomorrow as you're covering the january 6 hearings. that's why jeffrey is in washington and not in new york on the set with me. see you tomorrow night. a sheriff's department says that they are out of gas money. out of gas money. that means they won't be able to respond to some calls. january 6 committee putting on a public hearing tomorrow. those details straight ahead.
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tonight, new audio, what republicans were saying just before, during and right after the january 6th insurrection. it's all from "new york times" reporter alex burns and jonathan martin. here is republican congress woman debbie talking about trump supporters on january 5th. >> i'm actually very concerned about this because we have who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people coming here. we have antifa. we also have quite honestly trump supporters who actually
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believe that we are going to overturn the election and when that doesn't happen, most likely won't happen, they're going to go nuts. >> we're going to have more new audio in a moment but this is the eve of the january 6th select committee's first public hearing. cnn pamela brown has the latest on what we can expect. >> reporter: after a nearly year-long investigation, the january 6th committee is preparing to share their findings with the american people. and they're zeroing in on one man, former president trump. >> i think that donald trump and the white house were at the center of these events, that's the only way really of making sense of them all. >> reporter: from the beginning, the investigation focussed on the unprecedented efforts by trump and his allies to stop the transfer of power to president joe biden, while trump was impeached by the house days after the riot for inciting the
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protrump insurrection, the committee says it's uncovered more since then. >> the select committee found more evidence than incitement here. >> reporter: the committee interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses behind closed doors including jared kushner, ivanka trump, donald trump junior, rudy giuliani, bill bar and obtained more than 135,000 documents. >> we must also know what happened every minute of that day in the white house. every phone call. every conversation. every meeting leading up to, during and after the attack. >> reporter: the committee is clearly signaling to the justice department which holds the power to charge trump with a crime related to january 6th. >> do you believe it was a conspiracy? >> i do. it is extremely broad. it's extremely well organized. it's really chilling. >> reporter: just this week, a federal judge again flagged possible evidence of a crime,
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