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let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> anderson, thank you so much. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." look, there's a difference between believing something skbanting it to be true. see, donald trump wanted it to be true that he won the 2020 election. and he wanted it to be true that fox news had not called arizona for joe biden. and he wanted it to be true that his hand-picked attorney general would come out publicly and say that there was widespread voter fraud that would ultimately overturn the election results. and he wanted it to be true that rudy giuliani's wild suggestion that he proclaimed victory before all the votes were even counted would not be challenged by his campaign manager or any of his advisers. a group we learned today was on something called "team normal." and he wanted it to be true that someone stole a second term from

him, not that he just lost the election. now, these are things that he wanted to be true. but, as i said, there's a difference between believing something and wanting it to be true. now, the committee today set out to try to show the american electorate that trump couldn't possibly have actually believed any of the things he wanted to be true, not when adviser after campaign manager after campaign lawyer after deputy attorney general after attorney general after secretaries of state specifically told him that none of it was true, and told him more than once and for months that the emperor had no clothes on. now, texts from some of the people closest to the expresident that builds a case that trump was well aware that he lost the election but went ahead anyway with a sham to scam the american people. they walked us through who had trump's ear on election night

and beyond and who he turned a deaf ear to. >> there are suggestions by, i believe it was mayor giuliani, to go declare victory and say he won it outright. >> it was far too early to be making any calls like that. ballots -- ballots were still being counted. >> i don't know that i had a firm view as to what he should say in that circumstance. the results were still being counted. >> did you ever share, mr. kushner, your view of mr. giuliani? did you ever share your perspective about him with the president? >> i guess -- yes. >> tell me what you said. >> basically not the approach i would take if i was you. >> but, as you know, trump did take the giuliani approach

against the advice of his son-in-law, though he seemed reluctant to tell anyone that. and some other top advisers. >> we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> but perhaps the most compelling witness of all today was trump's former attorney general bill barr, expounding much further on his, quote, bullshit, unquote, assessment of what his boss was selling. >> i told him that the stuff he was spewing to the public was bullshit, complete bullshit and it was being laid out there. and it was crazy stuff. i was demoralized because i thought, boy, if he really believes this stuff, he has, you know, lost contact with -- he's

become detached from reality. >> whether trump was detach frd reality or not, these election lies were allegedly attached to the bank account of many trump supporters. >> the trump campaign used these false claims of election fraud to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from supporters who were told their donations were for the legal fight in the courts. but the trump campaign didn't use the money for. that the big lie was also a big ripoff. >> oh. so, not only is the committee acausing trump of trying to dupe his base into believing that he was robbed of a second term in office, the panel is accusing his campaign of using those lies to swindle his own supporters out of money for his legal fight, money that was allegedly not even allocated to that at

all. the big ripoff, as congresswoman zoe lofgren calls it. right after the hearing she told cnn that she thinks trump and his family personally -- personally -- benefitted from those donations. >> we know that guilfoyle was paid for the introduction she gave at the speech. i mean, on january 6th. she received compensation for that. >> but is that a crime? >> i'm not saying it's a crime, but i think it's a graffiti. $60,000 for two 1/2 minutes. >> now, i'm a lawyer so i don't do math unless i'm billing someone, but that's $400 a second that guilfoyle was allegedly paid. so, what will the accounting the committee seeks end up being?

let's be clear, accountability for a congressional committee is not the same thing as a criminal prosecution. so, what exactly the is committee's end game here? she didn't even want to call it a crime. so, is the end game to lessen the division and unify the electorate at least on one crucial point, that our elections are free and fair and that 2020 was no exception? or is the end game perhaps to effectively disqualify trump from a future run, at least in the mind of his supporters? or maybe to persuade the doj to pick up where they've left off. i mean, after all, someone very important has been watching. >> i am watching, and i will be watching all the hearings. and i can assure you that the january 6 prosecutors are watching all the hearings as well. >> or maybe it's to secure the buy-in from both chambers of congress to make new laws or even beef up existing laws where the electoral college process is not vulnerable to a future power grab, and i mean by either party.

i'm joined by a member of the house select committee, congressman pete aguilar. thanks for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> i'm asking about what the end game is. it seems clear that there's a lot of information coming out the fact that the big lie was much larger in magnitude and scope than even people thought, but what is the end game for the committee? what is the legislative hook you want people to know? >> well, our responsibility, our task, and our job is to tell the truth and to find out what happened on january 6th in the lead-up to january 6th. that is our task and our responsibility. we will develop legislative recommendations as a part of that. changes, like you highlight, whether it's campaign finance laws or the electoral count act could be included as

suggestions. but our job right now is to tell the story, specifically what happened on january 6th and what led up to it. >> and it's unfolding and how, congressman. the idea, one of the accusations, the notion of what's now gone from the big lie to the big ripoff, do you suggest that there has been a criminal offense here? >> well, that's going to be for the department of justice to decide. our job is to tell this story and to tell the truth. we've done an amazing job, over 1,000 interviews, hundreds of thousands of documents. and these public hearings will be the product of all of that hard work. so, that's what we're focused on right now, to the extent that other federal agencies are watching and tuning in, as you showed, the attorney general say, that's positive.

that's good. but our task and our responsibility is to just singularly tell the truth. >> so, the way you've gone about it and almost had a documentary style, you're drawing from different video tape statements, also live testimony. it's obviously been broken down between different members of the committee. what do we expect to come next? we were told today the big cliff hanger is bring in the eastman memo, work that was done, attempts to correct the department of justice. what's next? >> well, we're going to highlight the different pressure campaigns that the former president undertook in order to accomplish his task, his goal. and his goal was to ensure that there was not a peaceful transfer of power. so, he pressured even his own vice president -- we will tell that story -- as well as using his use of the department of justice to try to meet his needs to rerun elections and to ensure that they set aside president biden winning key contested states. >> do you have concerns that by focusing on the former president that there will be this thought that the committee is trying to get a second bite at the apple of the second impeachment hearing?

how do you convince people that this is not a partisan exercise? keeping in mind that the focus has largely and primarily been about donald trump? >> because we use the multimedia and we tell the story through the eyes of those individuals who were around the former president. so, this isn't just a committee saying things. this is individuals who were there, whether it was rioters and insurrectionists or whether it was people working in the white house, corroborating exactly what we found. so, we feel that that's clear and compelling. we feel that that will capture the attention of the american public. and based on the viewership of the first hearing, we think it was a success. so, we plan to continue to role out different aspects of that story.

this is all about stitching together different pieces of the puzzle that tell the complete story. >> will we hear from or about members of congress -- and i mean sitting members of congress -- who may have played a role? >> yes. we -- vice chair liz cheney did talk specifically about pardons that were sought by members of congress. that -- those details will be contained within future hearings. the role of some of our colleagues here in congress to thwart democracy and to try to stop a peaceful transfer of power is definitely a thread that we will continue to talk about throughout these hearings. >> and we'll see where it leads. congressman pete aguilar, thank you so much. >> thank you. republican senator mitt romney, who voted to convict trump politically for inciting an insurrection, he said today he didn't think the hearings have included any major revelations. do my next guests agree? why do you think -- what do you think is yet to come from the committee? and do you think that any of these findings, everyone, is going to lead to that pulled thread he is talking about? we'll talk about that when "cnn tonight" returns. and that your new car ought to come with newfound happiness and zero surprises. and all of us will stop at nothing to drive you happy. we'll drive you happy at carvana.

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those were two groups that former trump campaign manager bill stepien says were advising donald trump in the days after the election. apparently he wasn't alone in the assessment. one by one, a number of well-known republicans testified before the january 6th panel today. having the same sentiment, that trump knowingly pushed election fraud lies, and he did so in large part for profit. i'll get perspective from political insiders like michelle caudal, kasie hunt, and scott jennings. i've got to know your reaction. we went from the headline as the big lie to now the big ripoff. did that set well with you? >> i was stunned at the amount

of money that guilfoyle made for that speech. i'm sorry. i mean -- >> don't you want to be paid $400 a second, scott? the words coming out of your mouth right now -- >> i've got to renegotiate. >> that is a startling thing. if i were donald trump or around donald trump right now, my eyebrows would be raising. who is profiting off of me? so that caught my attention today. the other thing that caught my ateng is the fact you had really credible people, bill stepien, professional, credible guy. the attorney general. jason miller. i mean, all these people were saying, look, we don't know what's going to happen. they're still counting the votes or whatever. and he was venue shopping and struck me as someone who really spent their entire life being told yes by everything they encounter and constructing a world of yes. and all of a sudden you have these political people saying no, and he wouldn't accept it. >> the thing is all of them were up there today saying we were members of team normal. this is what bill stepien said. had i evaluated mr. jennings, who is a political operative, i

would have said all of them were on team normal. they were running normal campaigns against democrats because they believed different things and thought the country should be run a different way. but all of those people stayed until the very end. we spent four years covering this presidency where, i mean, think about what had happened before you get to the point where bill stepien finally says, i have to walk away, this is too much. and even when he does walk away, he doesn't do it in public. doesn't tell anybody about it. general milley marched across lafayette square as protesters were being teargassed. so many things happened and so many republican members of quote, unquote team normal justified it. i'm sorry, they did. >> the important thing to remember is team normal is also team chicken. they knew what was going on and

they couldn't bring themselves to do anything about it. >> they were enabling. >> -- to stop even what bill barr said is doing a great disservice to the country. >> the question is why. is it about self-preservation? >> the thought they could also fix it but it was a better plan to stay in the game and try to redirect it. i had one very senior republican tell me at the very beginning of trump's term that they needed to be the ship of state. they tried hard. by the time we get to election day, you've got to give them a few more weeks. >> you're talking about the past. bill barr has said, he would still vote for donald trump. you had bill stepien, who i believe is working on a campaign of somebody who is against congresswoman liz cheney who is promoting foundationally very much what trump, who has endorsed this candidate. it's not too long in the past this happened.

you say team chicken. >> this is not about what happens then. it's about where they're going with it forward. they're not willing to let this go to the degree it's going to hurt the party's way to cling to power in this degree. they are willing to keep putting up with, if not actively advancing, this complete bs story that this election was stolen. >> but to ask a republican like bill barr, who has been a stalwart republican his entire life, to put it to him and say, your choices are to abandon your entire political value system -- i don't personally think it's a fair question. he's already said he's going to support somebody else in the 2024 primary. he's made it clear he doesn't think donald trump should be the nominee again. republicans deeply believe -- and what bill barr has said is what a lot of us believe -- that the progressive mindset is terrible for this country. and they're not interested at all just because they don't like donald trump. >> at some point you have to decide whether salvaging democracy is more important than your political values.

>> but the whole point of these hearings is to show -- it's not saying the republican way of governing the country is the wrong way. liz cheney is one of the most conservative republicans in the party. they're saying this man, this man criminally undermined our peaceful transfer of power. i think that's where people get stuck. >> but the question is always, well, then you must be ready to vote democrat in 2024. well, no -- >> that's the way the system is set up. >> we're going to cross that bridge when we come to it. what i hear all these people saying incorrectly, let's get a different nominee. let's do something different here. that's the first bridge we have to cross. it's the correct bridge. >> and the way to drive that home is to make clear that no, you will not support the man who has been willing to burn down the system. if it's the, oh, well, i'd rather have somebody else but if he makes it to be the nominee, yeah, i'll back him because these guys are so bad. that's no way to make it clear what you're standing up for. that's complete cowardice. >> part of it is the interesting conversation about where we are in america right now. we have dealt with this notion at election time of the lesser of two evils fom knoll, right? we've seen in successive presidential campaigns. you have to pick this person or that. is there no one else? >> only 80% of americans don't

want trump or biden to run again. i'm there. i don't want either of them either. that's where most people are. and you have to believe -- it looks like even some democrats are coming around to this -- that maybe the two parties might go that way. >> i'm willing to believe you that you say you want to go somewhere else. what are you doing today to make sure donald trump is not the republican dom knee? >> today? >> what are you doing today -- the universe in which you live. there are things, people are running for president already. ron desantis is running for president. >> i've got like eight people i'd rather support.

>> what are republicans in power right now? i mean, some of this -- for the -- i will say i think it's interesting that mcconnell has been relatively silent as these hearings have gone on. he could have been much more vocal and critical of them the way some pro-trump republicans are. but what are republicans doing today -- ron desantis, nikki haley -- >> kevin mccarthy is coming up with a separate investigation to discredit the whole thing. >> the people you mentioned by virtue of preparing to run, that's what they're doing. there's nothing to do to donald trump today politically but there is something to do in 2024. that's somebody's got to beat him. >> how do you enable that? >> i think a lot of republicans are going to support desantis or pence. >> the last time it was split. >> fragmentation is his best friend. we'll see if he get it. but exactly right. fragmentation is donald trump's best friend here. >> speaking of fragmentation, let's go to break. fragment this whole thing. we have more to discuss ahead everyone.

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peacefully stopping a potential riot prompts death threats toward police officers. this weekend's pride parade in idaho was the original target, according to the police. now, a stranger called 911 after seeing uniformed men piling into a u haul vehicle. the 31 men arrested lived not only in idaho but nearly a dozen other states. they're believed to be associated with a white nationalist group known as patriot front. the town in northern idaho has a troublesome relationship with white supremacy, and it dates back to the 1970s. i want to bring in mayor jim hammond on the threat and how we confront it. mayor, thank you for being here.

how are you? >> i'm well. thank you for letting me be a part of your program this evening. >> well, i'm glad you're here, and i'd love to hear your opinion and your thought. this is not the kind of thing one wants their town in the news for. it's quite disturbing for a variety offen ares. what was your reaction? >> well, actually, i think that it turned out very well because these young men came to create problems and try to create a riot in our community. and instead, before they were even able to get out of the u-haul truck, they were arrested and stopped. so, it showed that we're a town that will not tolerate any kind of efforts to create harm or to spread any kind of hate or any kind of discrimination toward others. >> well, it was a case of see something, say something. you're absolutely right. but one of the big questions is why would they think to converge on your town?

any idea? >> i think that there's a possibility that they may think that a smaller town might be an easier target. it may be also that there was chatter on the internet about this gathering for gay pride. and in a smaller town, they might have more of an opportunity to create problems than they might in a larger community. >> now, tell me about the risk involved because i know that it's a good thing that they were alerted to the authorities. but how big a risk was it? many of them were unarmed, but there's a still potential and really serious risk for the community, wasn't there? >> there was in that they wanted to create trouble, and you can do that easily even unarmed. but the planning by our police department was what enabled them

to react quickly and with sufficient personnel to be able to deal with this problem. and in fact, even before this occurred, there were at least a couple other young men who were trying to create a problem. they were also from out of town, from the portland area. and they were quickly arrested and taken care of. >> have there been directives to the officers to try to prepare -- i mean, we hear all across the country -- you remember there's the dhs bulletin just last week. there have been conversations we've seen increasingly about people using their personal grievances to try to justify violence or be troublemakers, and not the good kind of trouble. are you seeing this as a microcosm in your own town that this is reflected now? >> the this is an unusual occurrence in our community. we get a lot of visitors because it's a beautiful place to come and to enjoy all that nature has

to offer. so, we're getting a lot of tourists from around the country, particularly the northwest, who come and enjoy it. and so it really does provide a great environment for folks to come and create trouble. >> have you had conversations f and people among your council about any concerns about the community feeling as though they are vulnerable or not as safe? are you thinking about ways to ensure that your community sees this really as an aberration, but one that was corrected, as you've spoken about? >> i think you expressed it well. i don't think that there is fear in our community. the police are -- excuse me. the police department makes a great effort at providing statistics about all the activity within the community. and those statistics show that that coeur dealene is a great place to visit. i don't expect anything like this to happen again. >> i want to play what your chief had to say about this

issue. let me play it for you. >> of the 149 calls that we know of so far that have come in, there are about 50/50 split between individuals in our community who are happy to give us their name and tell us that they're proud of the work that we did and are happy to be a part of this community. and the other 50% who are completely anonymous and want nothing more than to scream and yell at us and use some really choice words, offer death threats against myself and other members of the police department. >> the divisive issue being that they intervened. what do you make of this? >> well, what i make of it is that -- because i've received a lot of phone call as well and emails. but i'm noticing they're from all over the country. and so it's -- the locals have

told me and told the council that they are very grateful to the police. they're very grateful that they did the proper planning prior to this event. and so that kind of thing is happening. but what's happening is due to the internet, people from all around the country are getting into the act and want to be a part. >> they're weighing in. major jim hammond, thank you for weighing in on this program tonight. >> thank you. have a good evening. >> you too. now, you hear about the bipartisan senate deal that was reached on gun safety legislation. there was a framework announced that as of now would have the support of ten republicans needed to get it passed. now, the key question is, can democrats actually keep those ten on board? that's next. it with a new one of the same make and model. get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks.

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tonight, the top republican involved in the senate's gun talk says he hopes to have a text on compromised gun reform by the end of this week, actual words. word of the bipartisan deal comes nearly three weeks since the uvalde massacre.

it includes new investments in mental health and school security and it closes the so-called boyfriend loophole. and it forces a more thorough review process for buyers under the age of 21. and it clarifies the definition of a federally licensed firearm dealer, which means that buyers from these dealers have to pass a federal background check. democrats, however, they won't be getting, let's just say most of what they want or what they want most, no expanded background checks, no assault weapons ban, no raising the minimum age for buying weapons like the ar-15. that's exactly why the deal maybe has the backing of ten republican senators, enough to clear a senate filibuster. i wonder, will it stay that way? i've got our great legal --

well, legal and political minds. we have a legal mind -- >> a great one, a great one. >> i didn't know how to put it. i'm glad you're all back with me, and your minds are all superior. it's wonderful. tell me what you make of this because you got ten republicans on board now. will they stay that way? >> look, it's always best to be nervous when you're moving from a framework to legislation, especially on gun issues because this is so fundamental. it's not about policy. this has become one of those identifiers for which team you're on. that said, as you note, it is very modest and would be a great step forward if they can kind of

fight through all the nitty-gritty. >> can we just ask scott jennings, all right, are republicans going to be better off in the midterm elections if they show backbone here? there's some risk -- the public opinion on this is really changing, and there's some risk for republicans to be seen doing nothing. >> i think this is one of those moment where is the rubric's cube is clicking the in for both the parties at the same time. the republicans have said for years, this is a mental health crisis. we want to address that. well, now we're doing that. and the democrats need to show their people they can get anything done at all on this topic. this is one of the rare moments the colored squares are going to line up. i was up on the hill today. i think the universe could be in the 20 range for the republicans. i don't know if they'll all go. i'm thinking in terms of the infrastructure bill. i think it got close to 20 republicans in the senate. i think if you're in a western state you're probably not voting for it.

if you're in a primary, you're not. if you're running for president, you're not. >> you're definitely not. >> that leaves a universe around 20 that could get there and that would be a really nice win for everyone and politically good for both parties. >> i've got to say, it strikes me, i would think more would be willing to come out for the 21 lives lost than the 20 that went for infrastructure. that just, to me -- this seems always, to me, to be a political win to be able to react. they have compromise going on. obviously they didn't get everything they wanted. that's a sign of a good deal. you've got people on board at the moment. >> 20 for a gun compromise would be huge. >> it's a floor number. >> people should judge our political system where they stand based on that reality. the political reality is that 20 republicans to go for this would be enormous. one of the reasons why democrats are willing to come to the table and accept something that's less than what they want because,

let's be realistic, there have been times where democrats maybe could have gotten a little bit more, but they said, look, we don't want to waste all of the momentum on something that's not good enough, right? that's not happening now. if you listen to what chris murphy has to say, if they're able to do this, if they're able to get across the finish line, especially where there is a big number where there is strength in numbers -- you're not the 60th vote. you're the 72nd or whatever. that's a lot easier to be in politically. they can actually do this and not be punished politically in a way that basically threatens their career. >> think about that. i mean, we're talking about 10. and one of them is closing the so-called boyfriend loophole, with the violence against women act, the nra was all over that. so, really, are you saying somehow the nra is not the big,

bad wolf enough to push back on. >> they're going to put that to a test. they're going to put that to a test. they're going to test where the nra and the gun owners in america are going to be such a political threat that you're going to lose your political life if you vote for this. >> the gun owners of america are already issuing state alerts where people can go online and fill out the forms so you can tell the north carolina senators to stop doing the devil's work. so, there's already some pushback on this. and there is no free ride on this issue for republicans. >> constituencies matter here. the more rural your constituency, the less interested they are in this. you have more suburban populations, if you have more purple areas in your state -- >> the reason the senator from pennsylvania has been a leader on this. >> absolutely. you know, people -- they have to be responsive to those constituencies. i think that's largely how you're going to see this thing fall down. this is an outcome. i'm for outcomes, washington, you know. this is an outcome. i guess a lot of people are going to walk away saying it's a half a loaf, a quarter of a loaf -- it's not no loaf. >> if they do it, it's more than has been done in 30 years on gun. >> i hear you all. i just say to myself, is that all we ask for, the bare minimum? everybody stand by. i want to talk about that very disturbing alleged riot plot against the pride event in idaho. and we just got word from capitol hill on that security bill to protect supreme court justices.

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this just in, speaker nancy pelosi told her leadership team at the house plans to pass a senate bill to bolster security for supreme court justices. this would and a month-long standoff with republicans after democrats sought to expand protection to clerks and other staff and the house plans to pass the bill tomorrow. i'm will them. they will have protection. >> it's about time because we already know the department of homeland security is tracking all of these threats against the supreme court building. the justices. somebody who wanted to assassinate brett kavanaugh went to his house, paced around the other night, and had the means to do it.

this is needed and it should've been done a few days ago. >> this is been an emotional issue on capitol hill too. there are reports of angry words exchanged with the number two democrat in the house and republicans who have been frustrated with the pace of this because there is a political issue in terms of, we are talking a lot about the democratic base. right? nancy pelosi has the progressives in her caucus who feel extremely strongly about the roe versus wade decision. i know i can count on one- handed number of antiabortion democrats that are left in the house democratic caucus and that is what is going on but the political violence is seeping into all corners of our system and is really troubling and terrifying way and i think there is an imperative to make sure the people who are actually decided to put themselves out there and serve in our public life are protected. >> it's very important to know

this is bigger than any political issue. the political violence is seen as justifiable if efficiently enough about some insured. it's early and you are a party seeing republicans reaping the world when of trump making this common idea that it is okay to hit somebody at a rally, so there are republicans who have experienced death threats. it is not one particular team and it is not tied to one particular policy. it's very important to set a marker this is an appropriate. >> you heard when of the soundbites in the hearing today where you have somebody who's from the capital and said, i'm not saying where doing the right thing but what else can we do up with other strongly about something. that question seemed to me that the question everyone is asking. people to talk about the notion of, well, is that the way that you resolve personal grievance and you resolve disputes part of what it means to be in a

democracy? isn't that how you lose what you cannot keep? space back. >> when you believe the institutions have failed you and you feel like washington has failed you or whatever, you turn to extra institutional activity, such as trimming the capital. such you guys plotting to kill a supreme court justice. such as going over to the congressional baseball game and shooting a congressman. you have resorted these things because you feel like there is something else to believe in and here is where the rubber hits the road. the politicians have to be careful with their pricing because if you hear something like stanback and standby, you see that as instructions or if you hear chuck schumer say, read the word run, cavanaugh. you will pay for this. they take those as instructions and i think what you said is exactly right. this is corrosive and bad for the country and people -- my friend eric introduces when you make politics, your religion,

every person in the congress needs to condemn this to stop this now. >> there is a poll about republicans, democrats, independents are feeling about the idea on what you do when there is anger towards the government. they said the in 40% of republicans 41% of independence in 43% of the democrats and the balance against the government is sometimes justified and those are pretty big numbers. 40%. not just agreement, but violence against the government. is that surprising? >> it doesn't surprise me because of what we have been talking about is a stretch of time where people have been told again and again, the system is broken and there have been fraud and your vote doesn't matter and it's rigged in the establishment is out to get you. you cannot have an impact through the normal, peaceful democratic channels and where does that leave you? you absolutely feel like there is nowhere to go except to take to the battlements and it is in

vain. >> one of the things we didn't touch on this when we were talking about guns but there has also been messaging around the second amendment that has said, you have to be ready to stand up against your government and there is some of that that is very firmly rooted and there is a reason why we have second amendment and the way that the country was born and decided that if your government gets out of hand, you should have the right to do certain things. doing it that way is the antithesis of, if the system is working and i think that's what we have to be so careful to protect going forward. this is what is. what about all the threats to democracy and things are on the line, a lot of that is corrupt politicians going around with the system. some of what we heard in january 6 but a lot is actually the populace in america buying into the idea that this is the government to represent all of us. that this is the way that we can solve our problems and the

rhetoric is giving outside of that. the trust -- the distrust of institutions is undermining batted and if we can't be all on the fan page, we are in trouble. >> is an interesting duality we have right now. we have our political engagement and we have this high distrust in the government that that engagement creates. the interesting duality. >> and dynamic, here we are on the backup of january 6 talking about people who've had a seed planted to not trust the very system that we are in. thank you so much eric listen, we will be right back everyone on cnn.

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