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that's according to russian media. it's because of abuse of his teammates. they still haven't received confirmation of his whereabouts and his family wasn't informed that he would be moved. navalny was sentenced in march to two and a half years in prison. he was returned to russia after being poisoned and nearly dying. thanks for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. a preview of thursday's installment which congresswoman cheney said would look at the pressure of the vice president to count unlawful votes.
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in her video today, congresswoman cheney played a longer version of testimony we first heard some of yesterday from eric herschman, one of the white house lawyers, that eastman spoke with. >> it was the day after eastman -- i don't remember why, he called me or texted me, wanted to talk with me and said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me something about georgia and revealing something, potentially for appeal. and i said to him, are you out of your f-ing mind? i said, i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. i said, i don't want to hear any
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more f-ing words coming out of your mouth other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually he said orderly transition. g i said, good, john. now i'm going to give you the best advice you'll ever get in your life. get yourself a good lawyer, you're going to need it. and i hung up on him. >> right now we want to take a closer look at another key item the committee showed yesterday, which the committee said brought in a quarter of a billion dollars in small dollar donations. the first ones we could find went out on the morning of november 5th, which was two days before the election. the committee said they were right up to the storming of the capitol. it said the words official
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election defense fund. the text that follows simply lends the impression that not only is it official, but it's already in existence, ready to spring into action. quoting from this mailing, i've active indicated the official e offense fund and i need every patriot, including you, to step up and make sure we have enough resources to protect the integrity of the election. here's what came back. sorry, no committee has names that fit your search of election defense fund. there's good reason for that. it doesn't exist. >> i don't believe there is actually anything called election defense fund. >> i think we call it a marketing tactic. >> yes. >> a marketing tactic. those were two former trump
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campaign stafferes campaign staftaffers. the second one you just heard were the campaign digital directors. the second one is marketing for what and for whom? at the bottom of the e-mails in very small print it says, paid for by make america great again by and composed of donald j. trump for president, inc. and the republican national committee. however, members of the select committee who spoke about this are not alleging this big chunk of cash simply went straight to donald trump. what they are saying is very little of it went to what the fundraising claimed the money was for, namely, according to the e-mail now, quote, to attend the election. it went to a committee the president set up shortly after the election, not related to any legal action. >> the committee discovered that the save america pact made
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millions of dollars contributions to trump foundations. $1 million to the trump foundation, $1 million to the conservative partnership institute, $1 million to the american first policy institute, $204,000 to the trump hotel collection, and $5 million to event strategies inc. >> so the e-mails kept going out and kept asking for money. they went out as trump went on to lose 61 court battles. crucially they kept going out long after there was any chance for the money to have any impact at all even if it had gone to challenging the outcome which the committee says it did not. and even though this all came as a bit of a surprise at the hearings yesterday, the questionable nature of the
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fundraising campaign was known at the time. listen to this ad for republicans of the rule of the law which began airing on december 11. >> be aware of a new scam by donald trump targeting 2020 voters requesting money to be used for an official election defense fund. do not be fooled. >> when asked about the committee's allegations, trump's spokeswoman liz harrison said in a text to cnn, quote, political spending is totally sink yncron with his goal of fixing elections. with a hedge fund that apparently didn't exist, it sounds shadshady, morally bankr. is it legal, however? >> let's start with this, anderson. it's a rule of political fundraising that when an election is over, the winner will raise money and will raise
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a lot of it, but the loser will find everything drying up immediately. it's like a desert out there. but donald trump found a way to keep the spittgot of money flowg even after he lost the election, and that was with him claiming the election was stolen and being claimed by him. they lost hundreds of millions of dollars, according to that report by amanda wick, one of our investigators. morally, politically, it's deeply problematic. one would have to go back and see exactly what the campaign disclaimers say as people wrote checks to the campaign and, you know, offered their credit card contributions. i've not done that, so i don't know specifically what the disclaimers are saying. obviously, you know, the election defense fund didn't exist.
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you were basically giving right back to the trump political campaign operation and all of the political operations of the trump network. so whether an actual fica violation could be made or a federal mail fraud prosecution, i just don't know. i have not looked at that. but from the standpoint of our committee, remember, we're not a prosecuting committee, we're interested in just telling the truth and getting the facts out there of what happened. this is enough for us to be able to tell the public that the big lie was also a big scam, a big ripoff, as loftgren put it, and at the very least it's between donald trump and his followers. >> we just heard the clump. herschman described the discussion she had with attorney general john eastman. they were told not to certify
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the election results, and what does that say the former party was up to in the days following the insurrection? >> it's critical. all of these things do fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. we just discussed the money component to it which was central because donald trump was raising huge amounts of money and he didn't want it to stop. you can see even from the report you just made, that money continued to go to different members in his political entourage, including mark meadows and others who were still supporting the the, but eastman really was the final card that they played, the so-called green bay sweep, and the idea was essentially to deny and overthrow the electoral college majority that joe biden
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had assembled and to overthrow that required vice president pence to step outside of his proper constitutional role and function and declare eun larm rkts daush certify electoral college votes that had been certified by the states and sent in. then they thought trump could be declared a winner or they can agree to the sdpauld. >> congressman, i appreciate you being here. we have here jeff toobin. this $250 million, soliciting donations. it is legal, isn't it? >> you know, my mentor in
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journalism michael kensley had kensley's law. the scandal is not what's illegal, it's what's legal. it's what society decides to teach you past bart. the federal election commission is one of the weakest, mrl. as long as the money is spent for something vakly related to a trump cause, that the money is not just put in trump's pocket, i don't think there is any basis fire criminal prosecution, it's just another grift, it's a ripoff of the honest, hardworking people who actually gave the money thinking it was for an election fund, but i don't think there's any criminal
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prosecution there. >> by the former president's standards, is this on another level? >> well, i think donald was too clever by half here. i think you can make a wire and mail fraud case. fraud is everywhere and would. in a wire and mail fraud case, prosecutors could point to the final print that says, we may use this money for something other than talked about if it that is shown, transferable. andly when is the last time, anderson, you read the contract when you rented a car? >> i can warl reechlt these are experienced lawyers. this is an area they've worked in before. trump has raised millions of dollars, used a lot of it f
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formal. i think, within the rules of his game that donald trump has played to his advantage before. where the facts and circumstances presented tie jury. ly i think it should be looked at daush and by states attorneys general who have cases as royalton. >> she said the scenes are disturbing. it just feels like there is endless investigations that end
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up going no wrg. ? the lease likely to proceed. that's why the manhattan dat t in and out. there. investing everything related to january 6. as far as criminal liability go goes. >> many, under new york law go govrlal and turned it over to another prosecutor. she about. when push komd to shoov, me
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don't act. like at carl. tens of mill yonds of dlafrz dollars and the effort to take money off the books that i described in my book. and he settled for a 750,000. >> david, you cut the pack. is that glgly. >> donald is the third generation ahead of a four-generation white collar crime family. theically. they are an illustration of a very serious broob rly.
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south carolina features a close race between two republicans. donald trump tried to remove carl rice who voted for impeachment. >> anderson, we're still counting, but in the early results you would say a split decision, if you will, if you're donald trump scoring your grievances tonight as he does every primary night. russell frey is the challenger. he's been endorsed by donald trump, and he's well ahead in the seventh congressional district. he said he's proud of that vote. he said if it costs him his career, so be it. you're looking at this by counties in the district. one reason the frey campaign should be happy is because they're leading with votes so far in the district. it doesn't mean we're done, but it's significant early on. that's the rice district. you come down here to the mays
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district, a lot of military communities. nancy was not in congress for impeachment, but she was critical of him on january 26. this one got a little closer as more voice came in, but you still see a 12-point lead for nancy mace, nancy mace is looegd any part to do, at this point it looks like a split decision. >> i also to want bring in cnn political analyst gloria borger. what do you think about this?
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>> i remember when he voted for impeachment because he is a staunch conservative who represents a conservative district. he has told everybody, look, my constituents -- he was elected in 2012 -- he has said, look, my constituents know how conservative i am and they'll remember when i voted with donald trump on the tax cut, and look at these numbers. she's very different. she has a much more moderate district and she voted for certification. there are lots of conserve i have is that won't here for now, look, i did wla i thought was right, but the moderates, it seems to me, for david rice
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survives, and if so, what does it mean for trumpism not only in south carolina but the trump et. tom rice voted for impeachment, which is the unforgivable offense to donald trump. nancy mayes shot her first ad in front of trump tower to assure that she is the ally of the president on many issues. she tried to sort of navigate around the confrontation with donald trump. he's paying a price for that. if tom rice goes down, most of the people on the republican side are not at this jooung you are, but tom race going down
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perhaps a less saj to some repz. >>. >> let me come tout the national map and so he you. . >> there's evidence, plenty of e6d after this week. drmp white house counsel, all on the record saying donald trump
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won't last. we stand up fofr tfrl. the problem is ax runs rm wam many. they started mpl. she would make donald trump mad. >> how much of an endorsement are you taking at that workly. no matter what's going on in the congress right now, no matter what the january 6 committee is uncovering, he's still very popular among republicans. the number of republicans shunned r of that will. >> anderson --
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top democrats publicly criticized president biden after the white house announced they will visit saudi arabia, part of the visit next month. they said it was easy, in the words of the white house, to see crown prince ben solomon. last year they said the crown prince approved the murder of jamal khashoggi. there was a huge decline by the president's approval when he said he doubts saudi arabia will help lower u.s. gas prices. joining us, our chief reporter kaitlan collins. you reported on this extensively. what has president biden said in the past? >> reporter: he's been incredibly vocal after the murder of this journalist jamal
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khashoggi, especially grisly murder, and he's never weighed in on how he felt about them, and i think that's what's so striking about the fact that the white house is confirming, yes, he's going to make this formal visit there given statements like these that he made on the campaign trail. >> after the cold-blooded murder of a journalist, giving the crown prince of saudi arabia the benefit of the doubt. >> i think it was a flat out murder, and i think we should have nailed it as that. >> we were, in fact, going to make them pay the price and make them, in fact, the pariah that they are. >> clearly you see him denouncing it again and again, making him a pariah. having this official trip there is not making him a pariah, but it's not the best time for that. >> how is the white house describing that change? >> there is no doubt that plays
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a massive factor in why the president is going. the public isn't saying much about this. they said he will past presidents also met with saudi leaders. i think it's how much and pom. that's what the white house did not want to go and interact with the can crime king, something the white house went out of their way to say, but obviously they will come face to face in this visit. several of his allied. senator chris murphy saying the
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white house should at least show they have commitments from saudi arabia to show going forward before they make this visit, and-o fishls does not share the united states values, and therefore, this high-level meeting given, of course, president trump has made clear how he feels. >> rising gas prices are a good motivator for the president's gas and other places. putting this inflation in context, how bad is the surge in prices? >> it's awful. it's awful, and how people feel about it is even worse. you look at the consumer sentiment right now, and what do you see? this is the worst skoorm since 1952. even if you double my age, that doesn't git back to 1972. the second worse 1908, the third
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worse 1990. that killed that presidency. why are consumers feeling this bad? that's because the consumer price index is the worst it's ever been in a midterm cycle since '74. it's the worst it's been in any presidential cycle or midterm cycle since 1980. it's not much of a surprise. you can see it. it's literally off the charts on the table on your screen. >> how does president biden's performance rate? >> awful. >> i knew that was the answer. >> awful. i compare it to karcarter at th point and his presidency. look at the disapproval rating right now for biden. it's over 70%. carter was not even there at this point in mid-1978. when you do something as bad as what biden is doing, you know they're holding their pockets.
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>> what should we call this? >> we'll call this segment the not surprising segment. this is specifically on inflation. this is specifically on inflation. if you look at the broad economy as well, it's mostly bin inflat but it's mostly inflation b. it's not a great comparison there. >> it's not a great comparison, and indeed, what you're seeing right now essentially is if you look towards what do voters think are important in the midterm elections? >> and inflation has to be number one? >> number one. numero uno. 48% say the most important issue in their vote for congress is
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the economy. gun control is not anywhere close, abortion not anywhere close. here's the big takeaway, when you look at generic ballots, how do voters feel right now? look at this. on the generic congressional ballot, we're going back to 1938, this is the best -- i repeat -- best republican mission on the republican ballot at any point in a midterm cycle. and if you look at any other ones that are anywhere close, 1910, 2002. who fwhon those midterms? if you look at those numbers, you know you can't beat that.
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the best republican positions on the generic ballot. look at the polling and what you can see is right now republicans plus 3 points in the 2022 cycle. in 2010 it was a tie, then in that right column you see who won the majority. and you can see republicans, republicans, republicans win when they're either leading or t tying. >> when i do it on a wall, it's a little bit clearer, but that's why we run through the graphics fast so we can have this little back and forth. >> i appreciate it. so -- yeah, okay. fascinating. >> here's the deal. the economy is almost always the thing that drives people's preferences. >> so says james gargle. >> it's the economy, right? that's what it is 30 years later. >> i'm not going to say any
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intelligence sources say ukrainians have entered a critical part of the conflict. ukrainians praying for anti-missile weaponry. they are dealing with painful losses in the east. only 10% military assistance requested from the west has arrived. russia has amassed a significant artillery advantage. also tonight there is confusion over the whereabouts of russian dissident aleksey na valuable knee, president putin's most outstanding critic. they tried to visit him today at the penal colony. they were told he's no longer there. one of navalny's lawyers tell cnn that they believe he was transferred to a higher security prison, but they don't know for certain which prison. no one has confirmed one possible destination mentioned by russian state media. join us is maria pepchick who is
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helping to run navalny's priso n trapr prisonsprison sentence. >> can you tell us where navalny is? >> no one knows where he is at the moment. >> they said they moved him to another prison in the country. you say you don't know where he is, so do you believe that reporting? >> i don't think it's accurate to refer to the russian state media. they are very, you know, specific to certain types of outlets that report this. they have been wrong before, and we know that sometimes they can
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be just asked to report what they want the states to believe in. we are not relying on this information until we hear something officially, until we get notified, until navalny has been moved and this is where we should be able to find him. so we do not rely on this information. >> are you or his lawyers able to -- i mean, is there anyone you can contact for information? i assume you obviously cannot contact him. >> that's the whole point of the situation, is that his lawyers and/or his family should have been notified if he was to be moved to a different prison or a different penali colony, but no one was notified. today the situation is that his lawyer showed up at his current colony. he was held at the checkpoint for a couple of hours and navalny just didn't show up.
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that's quite literally all we know, and this is what is so scary and horrifying about this situation, is that we're at about 16 or 18 hours at this point. we have no way of figuring out where he is. >> is it possible he's still at the same penal colony and just wasn't produced for the attorney? >> i don't think it's possible that he's still there. he has definitely gone somewhere. normally if the russian government actually has followed the laws they have written themselves, we would have been notified if he was transferred to a different place. there is a procedure, it's pretty standard, and his lawyers would have gotten likely written confirmation that your client is about to be moved from prison a to prison b and you should be able to see him in prison b from
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this day onward. but the way they do it with navalny, it's a very kind of different approach that they have to him. no laws apply to him, so in this case we're just deprived of any information, and we're being kept in this very uncomfortable situation, not knowing anything as to -- and not being able to let us know. but we don't know in a week's time or a month's time. >> so right now navalny's reporters just wait. >> yeah. as of now, his family and his attorneys have absolutely no idea where navalny is. >> maria pepchick, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you very much. as a gunman opened fire on a
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texas summer camp, the senate is working on new gun laws. and a flood in yellowstoton park leaves a home in ruins.
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as the senate hammers out the details of a bipartisan gun deal, mitch mcconnell today indicated he will support the package if the final draft lines up with an outline announced by negotiators over the weekend. hoon among the proposals, states get incentives to pass red flag laws, and more funding for school safety and mental health resources. meanwhile, potential mass shooting was averted at a texas summer camp thanks to quick acting staffers and police. a gunman opened fire inside a sports complex with hundreds of children and there was another incident recently at a camp in alabama. we have details on both from squash campbell. >> parents in texas just grateful to hold their children after police rush to a north texas sports fieldhouse where a summer camp was being held and shot a gunman threatening the camp. police in duncanville, texas,
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said they exchanged gunfire with a man who opened fire at the camp on monday, where some 250 children and staff were present, some hiding. >> he had texted me and said mom, i think someone entered the fieldhouse with a gun. >> when the gunman entered the building, camp counselors began moving the children to a safe area and locking doors. >> we went in the room and then we heard shooting. and then we got scared and everybody started crying. >> they just told us to stay quiet, and we were in the men's room, so there were showers in there, so we hid in the showers. >> i was praying to god just so nothing would happen. >> police shot and killed the gunman. no children, staff, or officers were hurt, according to officials. >> upon hearing that gunshot, they did what they were trained to do, the counselors. they moved the kids to a safe area and began locking the doors. the suspect went to a classroom, was unable to get inside, and did fire one round inside the
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classroom where there were children inside. >> there was no hesitation. no hesitation whatsoever. we're thankful for their training, that they did exactly what they were trained to do. >> in alabama last week, a man was shot and killed by a resource officer after he attempted to enter an elementary school where 34 children were attending a literacy camp. he was also trying to forcibly enter a patrol vehicle and was killed after an altercation with the officer at the school. >> he went straight to the threat, confronted it and dealt with it. it ended in unfortunately the death of the suspect, but that's the safest alternative, to keep that threat out of that school. >> josh joins us now from texas. what if anything have authorities in alabama and texas said about a possible copycat effect after the uvalde shooting? is that something they're looking at? >> that's always a concern after these shootings. authorities worried about a repeat, which is why after uvalde we saw an increase focus on security in schools.
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we also saw police departments across the country yet again focusing on their own active shooter training, and just to show you, by comparison, obviously, the police response in uvalde coming under heavy criticism. we're still waiting for answers. compare that to what we saw in alabama and in the dallas area where police did what they were trained to do by textbook, going to the sound of the gunfi fire, trying to stop a threat. >> homes washed away by the floods. chunks of highways destroyed. some communities near yellowstone national park are stranded. we have details next. er, and find the answer ththat was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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evacuations. the flooding washed out roads and making it unsafe to travel, impossible to evacuate. yellowstone is going to be closed to visitors until at least tomorrow. >> once again, it's election night in america. and once again, we're waiting to see what message exactly is resonating with republican voters in places like south carolina. results of some new key tests of donald trump's power over his party there and of course elsewhere. now, they say that revenge is a dish best served cold. well, let's see whether voters in states where republican incumbents refused to precisely follow trump will find themselves now on the menu. it's not that it's the first time that trump's personal persona non gratas have been challenged, but these are the first so-called trump revenge primaries you could say. at least since the january 6th hearings have gotten under way. for the first time since the