tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 14, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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good evening. until light today, the big news is the january 6th committee is postponing hearings scheduled for tomorrow. then came this from community care vice cheney, one of two republicans on the panel. a preview of thursday's installment, which congresswoman cheney said would examine what she called the former president's relentless effort to pressure the former vice president to refuse to count lawful votes. part of a plan put forward by trump attorney john eastman who was working with the campaign. in her video today, congresswoman cheney played a longer version of testimony we first heard some of yesterday from eric hirshman, one of the white house lawyers that eastman spoke with. >> it was the day after.
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eastman -- i don't remember why he called me, or he texted me or called me, wanted to talk with me. and he said he couldn't reach others. and he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia preserving something, potentially for appeal. and i said to him "are you out of your f-ing mind?" i said i only want the hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on. orderly transition. i don't want to hear any other f-ing words coming out of your mouth no matter what other than orderly transition. repeat those words to me. >> what did he say? >> eventually he said "orderly transition." i said "good, john. now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. get a great f-ing criminal defense lawyer. you're going to need it." and i hung up on him.
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>> in just a moment, we'll be joined by maryland democratic chairman jamie raskin who serves on the committee. right now we want the take a closer look at another key item the committee highlighted yesterday, namely fundraising email likes these which the committee says brought in $250 million, a quarter billion in small dollar donations. the first one we could find went out early on the morning of november 5th, which was just two days after the election. in it, there is an image of the former president and vice president under the words "official election defense fund." so right off the bat, you receive this thing in the mail, you're meant to think it has some sort of special authorization or stamp of arovell. the text that follows certainly lends the impression that not only is it official, it's an actual thing, already in existence like an agency, ready to spring into action. quoting now from this mailing, i've activated the official election defense fund, and i need every patriot, including
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you to step up and make sure we have enough resources to protect the integrity of our election. here's what came back. sorry, no candidates or committees contain names of your search, there is a good reason for that. it doesn't exist. >> i don't believe there is actually a fund called the election defense fund. >> is it fair to say that the election defense fund is another -- i think we've called it a marketing tactic? >> yes. >> marketing tactic. so those were two former trump campaign staffers. the second one you just heard who said the emails were, quote, a marketing tactic is the campaign's former digital director. so they ought to know. the question is marketing for what and for whom? at the bottom of the emails, very small print. it reads paid for by trump make america great again committee, a joint fundraising committee thorlzed and composed of donald j. trump and the republican
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national committee. the address is given as 725 fifth avenue here in manhattan, and wouldn't you know, that is trump tower. however, members of the select committee who have spoken about this are not alleging that this big chunk of cash simply went straight to donald trump. what they are saying is very little went for what the fundraising emails claim were for, quoting from the email now, to defend the integrity of our election. instead, according to the committee, most of the money went to a political action committee the former president set up shortly after the election, not to election-related legal action. >> the select committee discovered that the save america pac made millions of dollars of contributions to pro-trump organizations, including $1 million to trump chief of staff mark meadows' charitable foundation. one million to the america first policy institute, a conservative organization which employees several former trump administration officials. $204,857 to the trump hotel
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collection. and over $5 million to event strategies inc., the company that ran president trump's january 6th rally on the ellipse. >> so according to the committee, most of the money raised by these emails did not go to protecting the integrity of the election. the emails kept going out. they kept asking for money. they went out as the trump campaign went on to lose 61 court battles. and crucially they kept going out long after there was any chance at all for the money to have any impact at all, even if it had all gone to challenging the outcome, which the committee says it did not. and even though this all came as a bit of a surprise at the hearings yesterday, the questionable nature of the fundraising campaign was known at the time. listen to this ad from republicans for the rule of law, which began airing on december 11th. >> beware of a new scam from donald trump targeting 2020 voters, requesting money to be used for an official election defense fund. do not be fooled. >> now when asked about the committee's allegations, trump
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spokeswoman liz harrington said in a text to cnn that the former president's, quote, political spending is totally synchronized with his goal of, quote, fixing our elections. joining us now, committee member and maryland democratic congressman jamie raskin. congressman, a president soliciting a quarter billion from citizens for a so-called defense fund that apparently didn't exist, it sounds shady, morally bankrupt. it illegal, however? >> well, let's start with this, anderson. when it's a rule of political fundraising that when the election is over, the winner can continue to raise money and will usually raise a lot of it, but the loser finds everything dry up immediately. it's just like a desert out there. but donald trump figured out a way to keep the spigots of money flowing, even after he lost the election. and that was by claiming he had won the election and it was being stolen from him. so they mobilized hundreds of millions of dollars, as you've
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discussed in that report quoting amanda wick, one of our investigators. well, morally, ethically, politically, it's obviously deeply problematic. one would have to go back and see exactly what the campaign disclaimers say as people wrote checks to the campaign and, you know, offered their credit card contributions. and i've not done that. so i don't know specifically what the disclaimers are saying. obviously, the election defense fund didn't exist. you were basically giving right back to the trump political campaign operation and all of the political operations of the trump network. so whether an actual fica violation could be made or a federal mail fraud prosecution, i just don't know. i have not looked at that. but from the standpoint of our
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committee, remember, we're not a prosecuting committee. we're interested in telling the truth and getting the facts out there of what happened. this is enough for us to be able to tell the public that the big lie was also a big scam, a big rip-off. as zoe lofgren put it. and, you know, that at the very least is between donald trump and his followers. >> we just heard the clip from the former white house attorney eric hershman describing the conversation he had with john eastman. eastman is at the center of the plan with pence to not certify the election. your committee is assembling of what led up to in the days leading up to the insurrection. >> well, it's critical. all of these things do fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. we just discussed the money component to it, which was central, because donald trump was raising huge amounts of
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money, and he didn't want to it stop. and you could see even from the report you just made, that money continued to go to different members in his political entourage, including mark meadows and others who were still supporting the trump political network. but, you know, eastman really was the final card that they played, the so-called base sweep. essentially to deny and overthrow the electoral college majority that joe biden had assembled. and to overthrow that required vice president pence to step outside of his proper constitutional role and function and declare unilateral lawless powers to nullify electoral college votes that had been certified by the governors of the states and sent in. and then they thought that either trump could be declared
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the winner in the electoral college or they could kick the whole thing into the house of representatives for a so-called contingent election, which they knew trump could win by virtue of the number of state delegations controlled in the house. >> congressman raskin, i appreciate your time tonight. thank you very much. let's get some perspective now from a long-time trump watcher david cay johnston, how donald trump fleeced america. and cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. jeff, $250 million, the same question really that i talked to congressman raskin about, soliciting donations. i mean, it is legal, isn't it? >> you know, my mentor in journalism, michael kinsley adkinsly's law which is the scandal isn't what is illegal. the scandal is legal. it's what society chooses not to punish that really tells you how bad things are. and i think this is a great illustration. as i understand, the federal election committee is one of the
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weakest most pathetic federal agencies that does almost nothing to police these sorts of deceptions. as long as the money is spent for something vaguely related to a trump cause, that the money is not just put in trump's pocket, i don't think there is any basis for a criminal prosecution. it's just another grift. it's a rip-off of the honest hard-working people who actually gave the money thinking it was for an election fund. but i don't think there is any criminal prosecution there. >> david, even by the former president's standards, is this on another level? >> well, i think donald was too clever by half here. i think you can make a wire and mail fraud case. fraud is everywhere and always a crime. and of course there is also civil fraud. but in a wire and mail fraud case, prosecutors could point to
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the fine print that says, well, we may use this money for something other than what we talked about. and show that that was part of the scheme to defraud people. well, we're going to tell you we're raising money for a. we're not going to spend hardly any of it on a, and we're going to protect ourselves from prosecution by putting in this language in the fine print. you know, when is the last time, anderson, you read the contract when you rented a car? >> yeah, i can barely read anything in my glasses. >> that's why they put it. that's why they put the fine print. these are experienced lawyers. this is an area they've worked in before. trump has raised millions of dollars, used a lot of it for borderline purposes, including paying $60,000 to kimberly guilfoyle for a three-minute speech she gave at the ellipse. that is unfortunately i think within the rules of this game, that donald trump has played to his advantage before. >> jeff -- >> sorry, go ahead.
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>> jeff, thing is one where the facts and circumstances presented to a jury you can show the fine print is evidence that he knew he was going to scam you. i don't suggest it's an easy case the make by any means. but i think it should be looked at aggressively in terms of mail and wire fraud laws, and by state attorneys general who have consumer protection laws as civil fraud. >> jeff, let me ask you about that. the new york attorney general letitia james said fundraising tactics used by the trump campaign, she says, quote, details are disturbing. it just feels like there is endless investigations that end up going nowhere. is this one of them? >> well, i think this one is one of the least likely to produce criminal charges. remember, the attorney general of new york has almost no criminal enforcement ability. that's why the manhattan d.a. investigation was the real possibility, and that one is now effectively closed. you know, there is still the georgia investigation.
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the justice department is theoretically investing everything related to january 6th. but as far as criminal liability goes, donald trump is doing fine, and people can judge whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. >> david -- >> anderson, if i can add one point to that. >> sure. >> if i can add one point to, that under new york law, governor kathy hochul has unfettered authority to take the criminal case away from alvin bragg, the district attorney who shut it down in manhattan and turn it over to another prosecutor. she wouldn't do it. and part of the problem here are feckless democrats who make a lot of noise but when push comes to shove, they don't act. look at carl racine, the district attorney -- i'm sorry, the attorney general district of columbia. no one's explained what happens to tens of millions of dollars for the inaugural committee and effort to take money off the books that i described in my book. and he settled for $750,000 fine and dropped his case at that
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point. >> david, you covered the trumps for a long time, obviously. the notion of getting people to buy into things, whether it's this pac or the defunct trump university or the trump foundation, is that kind of central to the way -- the business model, the political model that trump has used? >> oh, yeah. the trump -- donald is the third generation head of a four-generation white collar crime family. they steal with contracts, with refusals to pay, things like that. and they are an illustration of a very serious problem that we're not talking about in this country. we have very clear crime laws for street crime. you rob somebody of $5, we put you in jail. but we have very weak and troublesome white collar crime laws with far too many exceptions. and we need to work on a new legal theory that will stop the act of people like donald trump to commit massive theft and get away with it in many cases because in his case, every case,
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because of the way our white collar crime laws are conceived. >> dave cay johnston, jeff toobin, appreciate it. coming up next, big primary night in four states. polls just closed in south carolina where the former president is trying to take down the republican congress members. cnn's john king is at the magic wall, rung it all down. we'll go the him shortly. later, the mystery of the whereabouts of alexei navalny. they say they have moved him to a secure prison. navalny's supporters say they don't know where he is right now. at was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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it is primary night in four states including south carolina, which includes a closely watched race between congresswoman nancy mayes and the former president's attempt to remove tom rice, who is one of ten republicans who voted for impeachment. john king is at the magic wall for us. what you seeing in south carolina? >> anderson, still counting. the results are early. in the early results you would say a split decision if you
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will, donald trump scoring his grievances as he does every tuesday on the primary nights. tonight in south carolina, this is the tom rice versus russell fry. russell fry is the challenger. he has been endorsed by donald trump. you can see he is well ahead with 23% of the vote counted in the congressional district. tom rice says he voted to impeachment donald trump. he is proud of that vote and says if it costs him his career, so be it. you're looking at counties in the district. one reason the fry campaign should be happy is they're leading in every county that has reported votes so far in the district. it doesn't mean we're done, but it's a significant lead early on. let's go back to the other district. this is myrtle beach area, rice. and up to the rural areas. that's the rice district. you come down to the mayes district. a lot of resort communities, military communities. nancy mace is on the other side. donald trump wants her gone. she was not in congress for impeachment, but she was critical of him for january 6th. she said he was responsible for january 6th. katie arrington is trump-backed. this has gotten a little closer,
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but a 12-point lead for nancy maye mace. if you look at it a different way, nancy mace is leading in every county that has reported votes so far. more math to do. at this point it looks like a split decision. >> all right, john king, we'll stay on it. thank you very much. i want to bring in gloria borger and former senior adviser to president obama, david axelrod. what do you make of the different approaches former republicans trying to survive the former president's ven vengeance? >> i can't help but think about tom rice, who is completely unapologetic about voting for impeachment. i remember when he did it, and i want was a big surprise because he is a staunch conservative who represents a conservative district. and he has told everybody, look, my constituency was elected in 2012, he has said look, my constituents know how conservative i am. and they understand that i'm voting my conscience, and they're going to remember how conservative i am.
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i was with donald trump on the tax cut and on and on. and look at these numbers. that's not helping him. mace is different. she's got a different district of much more moderate district, and she voted for certification. there are lots of conservatives who are not going to forgive her for that. but in the end, her district is different. so she can say, look, you know, i did what i thought was right, and the moderates in her district will say it's okay. but they're unforgiving it seems to me to congressman rice. >> david, it's not looking likely that rice survives. and either way, what will it mean for trumpism, not just in south carolina, but elsewhere in the country do you think? >> well, look, i think you should look at these two races a little bit differently because tom rice voted for impeachment, which is the ultimate offense to donald trump, the unforgivable offense. nancy mace voted to certify the
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election but she didn't vote to impeach. she went up to trump tower and shot her first ad in front of trump tower to assert she was an ally of the president on many issues. so she tried to sort of navigate around the confrontation with trump. rice sailed right into it, and he is paying a price for that. she may survive. again, the districts are different as well, as gloria mentioned. i think if tom rice goes down, most of the people who voted for impeachment on the republican side are not running this year. liz cheney is. she is in a difficult race at this juncture. we'll find out in august how she does. but tom rice going down will be very satisfying to the president. perhaps send a message to some republicans that defying trump was a politically fatal decision for her. >> do we still have john king with us? john, you see what congressman rice has gone through. what about congresswoman cheney, what she has gone through ahead of her primary in august.
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there any incentive for a republican candidate to stand up against the former president? >> let me just come out to the national map and show you. this is just house districts. by the end of tonight, anderson, when we're done counting tonight, 24 states will have held their primary. does the republican have any incentive to challenge donald trump? incentives is not my bed. but there is plenty of evidence after this week, donald trump's attorney general, donald trump's deputy attorney general, donald trump's campaign manager, donald trump's white house counsel, donald trump's campaign manager, donald trump's daughter all on the record saying that donald trump lost, and the big lie is the fraud, not election fraud. the big lie is the fraud. so republicans have plenty of evidence to stand up and say it's about time we stand up for truth and math and the fact that joe biden won fair and square. the problem is axelrod runs the campaign, we're in midstream. for republican candidates, there are hundreds of them. for every office in the land running on the big lie, mid season, midstream, mid campaign you're going say i was wrong? that's really not the way to win
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votes. plus you would make donald trump mad. >> how much do you any an endorsement from the former president is worth at this point in politics? >> it depends on which district, but it's worth a lot still. as john points out, no matter what is going on in the congress right now, no matter what the january 6th committee is uncovering, he is still very popular among republicans. the number of republicans who say that, you know, i really still like the guy, but maybe he shouldn't run for president, that number is growing. but would you rather have donald trump endorsing you than not endorsing you? the answer is unequivocally yes, you would. >> gloria borger, john axelrod -- >> just one point. even the candidates who aren't endorsed by one point are endorsing him, are endorsing trumpism. that tells you he still has great power within the republican party. >> good point. president biden taking heat from his fellow democrats ahead of a visit to saudi arabia and meeting with the crown prince. u.s. intelligence says mohammed
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top seven democrats today took the rare step of publicly kriting president biden after the white house announced he will visit saudi arabia, part of his visit to the middle east next month. some republicans are uneasy with the plans too, in the words of the white house see saudi arabia's prince mohammed bin salman. last year a report that said the crown prince approved the operation that killed jamal khashoggi. it comes obviously after a huge spike in oil and gas prices and a huge decline in the president's approval. ron wyden said he doubts saudi arabia will help lower gas price. joins us kaitlan collins. you reported on this extensively. what has president biden said in
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the past? >> he has been incredibly vocal about saudi arabia and how he felt about them after the murder of this journalist, jamal khashoggi, and especially grisly murder. he has never really wavered about how he felt about them. that's what is so striking about now the white house is confirming, yes, he is going to make this formal visit there just a month from now given statements like these that he made on the campaign trail. >> after the cold-blooded murder of a journalist, giving the crown prince of saudi arabia the benefit of the doubt. >> i think it was a flat-out murder and we should have nailed it at that. >> we were going to make them pay the price and in fact make them in fact the pariah that they are. >> clearly you see him den denouncing it, time and time again, making them the pariah, obviously going to visit and having this official trip there is not making them a pariah. but thing is where you see the realities of being president with what you say on the campaign trail, anderson. >> not just being president, but being president at a time when
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gas prices are high and your popularity is low. show the white house explaining this change? >> there is no denying that that plays a factor, a massive factor in why the president is going. the white house isn't saying as much publicly. they are saying that oil will obviously be on the agenda when president biden goes there for this visit. instead, they're pointing to the fact there are other national security interests at play here, noting that past presidents also met with saudi leaders. and yes, that is true. but i think it's striking given how much and how vocally the president denounced saudi arabia when he was on the campaign trail. that's what the white house is rung up against. and it's clear president biden himself was not eager to make this visit, to go and have to interact with the crown prince, someone that he hesitated speaking with even initially. he only wanted to talk to the king, something that the white house went out of their way to say. but obviously they are going to. could face the face during this visit. and it's something that even his own allies typically are criticizing him for. democrats saying that he should go and meet with anyone but the saudi crown prince, which of
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course the u.s. intelligence community concluded he had authorized the murder of this reporter. senator chris murphy saying that the white house should at least show that they have commitments from saudi arabia to change going forward before they make this visit. and other officials just saying that saudi arabia does not share the united states' value, and therefore this high level meet shotgun not be granted them, given of course president biden has made clear how he feels. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it. rising gas prices are probably the big motivator here for the president's meeting with the crown prince. i want to talk more about inflation and gas and other prices. our favorite and only senior data reporter harry enten. but this in context. how bad is this surge in prices? >> it's awful. it's awful and how people feel about it is even worse. you look at the consumer sentiment right now. and what do you see? this is the worst consumer sentiment ever measured by the university of michigan, going all the way back since 1952. >> wow. >> basically, even if you double my age, that doesn't get you back to 1952.
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and while i'm young, i'm not that young, right? the second worst 1980. the third worst, 1980. i don't have to remind you, inflation got jimmy carter. it killed that presidency. in terms of why are consumers feeling this bad? it's pretty clear why they're feeling this bad. it's because the consumer price index is the worst it's ever been in a midterm cycle since '74. it's the worst it's been in any presidential cycle or midterm cycle since 1980. so it's not much of a surprise. you can see it. it's literally off the charts on the table on your screen. >> and how does president biden's performance rate? >> awful. >> i knew that was the answer. >> the answer is awful. i'll compare to it carter at this point in his presidency, right? look at the disapproval rating joe biden has on inflation right now. it's over 70%. carter. carter was not even there at this point in mid 1978. when you're doing worse than jimmy carter is doing in the minds of americans on inflation, you know that they're holding you responsible for the conditions that are currently on the ground that are hurting americans and their pocketbooks.
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>> obviously biden is not on the ballot. but which party do voters trust more right now? >> we might as well call this segment the not surprise segment. the republican party. they much more trust the republican party by 20 points. 51 i think to 31. you see it on the screen right there. >> specifically on inflation this is specifically on inflation. if you look at the broader economic spectrum as well, it's basically the same numbers. it's inflation that is driving these numbers and driving the numbers on the economy and driving the negative perceptions. biden, not surprisingly, voters are running the other way, going to republicans. >> obviously for democrats, any comparison to jimmy carter at this stage for president biden is not a great comparison there. >> it's not a great comparison. and indeed what you're seeing right now essentially is if you look towards what do voters think are important towards the midterm elections. >> and inflation has got to be what, number one? >> number one, numero uno. what you see right now, look at
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this. 48% say the most important issue in their vote for congress is the economy. gun violence is not anywhere close. abortion is not anywhere close. immigration, which republicans were going to want to run on, not even close. and here i think is the big takeaway. when you look the generic congressional ballot -- so put it all together, right? we're going the make this giant stew for you. what do voters feel right now? look at this. on the congressional republican ballot, looking at the best republican positions since 1938, this is the best, i repeat the best republican position on the generic congressional ballot of all time at this point in a midterm cycle. and if you look at the other ones any close, 2010, 1998, 2002. who won in those midterms? all of them resulted in republican majorities. look. history isn't always but you got to feel good.
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>> take a look here. the best republican positions on the generic ballot. look at the polling, and what you can see is right now republicans plus three points in the 2022 cycle. in 2010, it was a tie. >> okay. >> then in that right column, you see who won the majority? and you can see republicans, republicans. republicans win when they're leading or -- >> the best republican position? >> at this point, if it's in the midterm election since 1930. when i do it on the wall, it's a little clearer. but that's why we have the time. that's why i run through the graphics fast so i can get back to it and we can have this lovely back and forth. >> i appreciate it. yeah, okay. fascinating. >> here is the deal. the economy is almost always the thing that drives people's preferences. >> so says james carville. >> it's the economy, stupid, right? he said that back in 1992.
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colony where he was serving his sentence. moving navalny would be in line with additional prison time. one of his lawyers believe he was transferred to a higher security prison, but they don't know for certain which prison. no one's confirmed. one possible destination mentioned. joining us is maria pevcek who is helping to run his foundation while he is in prison and is executive produce other telephone film "navalny" now on cnn go and max. can you tell us the latest tonight in your understanding of where alexei navalny is? >> well, i have to be honest. i have no idea where alexei navalny is. and no one really does. he has gone missing today. so we have absolutely no clue. about where he is at the moment. >> russian state media is reporting that navalny has been moved to a maximum security prison in the vladimir region of the country. you say you don't know where he is. do you believe that reporting?
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>> i don't think it's accurate to refer to his russian state media. they are very specific sort of types of outlets that report this. they have been wrong before. and we know that sometimes they can be just asked to report whatever the state wants people to believe in. so we are not relying on this information until we hear something officially, until we get notified that navalny has been moved, and this is his new penal colony and this is where you should be able to find him. so we do not rely on this information. >> are you or his lawyers able to -- is there anyone you can contact for information? i assume you obviously cannot contact him. >> that's the whole point of the situation is that his lawyers and all his family should have
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been notified if he was to be moved to a different prison in a different penal colony. but no one was notified. and today the situation was that his lawyer shows up at his current penal colony. he was housed at the checkpoint for a couple of hours and navalny didn't show up. and that's quite literally all we know. and this is what is so scary and horrifying about this situation is that 16, 18 hours at this point. we have no way of figuring out where he is. >> is it possible he is still at the same penal colony and wasn't produced? >> i don't think it's possible that he is still there. he has definitely gone somewhere. and normally, if we lived -- if the russian government actually has followed the laws that they
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have written themselves, we will have been notified if he was transferred to a different place, and there is a procedure. it's pretty standard, and his lawyers would have gotten like a written confirmation that your client is about to be moved from prison a to prison b, and you should be able to see him in that prison b from this day onwards. but the way they do it with navalny, it's a very kind of different approach that they have to him. no law is applied to him. in this case, we're just deprived of any information, and we're being kept in this very uncomfortable situation, not knowing anything, and not being able to ask anyone. essentially, i think they will eventually let us know. but we don't know whether it's going to be tomorrow, day after tomorrow, or in a week time or in a month's time. >> so for now his family, his
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attorneys, his supporters just wait? >> yeah, yeah. as for now, his family and his attorneys have absolutely no idea where navalny. >> maria pevchikh, appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. up next, as the senate finalize as bipartisan gun bill, there are new details on a very scary situation at a texas summer camp where a gunman opened fire and quick action saved lives. also later, record-breaking flooding around yellowstone national park leaves homes in ruins. (♪ ♪) a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose.
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opened fire inside a sport complex on monday with hundreds of children and another incident in alabama. >> reporter: parents in texas just grateful to hold their children after police rushed to a north texas field house where a summer camp was being he will. police exchanged gunfire with some 250 children and staff were present, some hiding. >> he texted me and said, mom, i think someone in the field house with a gun. >> counselors began moving children to a safe area and locking doors. >> we ran around and we heard shooting and we got scared and everybody started crying. they just told us to stay quiet and we were in the men's room. there were showers in there so we hid in the showers.
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>> reporter: police shot and killed the gunman, no children or staff or officers were hurt according to officials. >> upon hearing that gunshot, they did what they were trained to do, the counselors, they moved the kids to a safe area and begin locking the door. the suspect went to a classroom was unable to get inside and fired one around in the classroom. >> there was no hesitation. that's what we did. thankful for the training that they did exactly what they were trained to do. >> reporter: in alabama, he attempted to enter a school where 34 students at summer camp. >> he went straight to authority and he dealt with it and he endee
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ended in the death of the suspect, that's the safest alternative, to keep him out of that school. >> josh joins us in texas. what's a possible copy cat effect after the uvalde shooting. is that something they were looking at? >> reporter: that's always a concern. authorities are worried of a repeat. we saw police department across the country focusing on their own shooter training and just to show you, anderson, by comparison, the police respond in uvalde under heavy criticism, we are still waiting for a lot of answers and the dallas area where police did what they were trained to do by going through the sound of gunfire trying to stop the threat. >> josh campbell, appreciate it. coming up, homes washed over the floods. we have more details next. beco. by going all in. the lexus is.
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more than 10,000 visitors have left yellow stone, national park after some homes and communities isolated. the flooding prompted dozens of evacuations. some areas are trapped without safe drinking water. the flooding wash out, roads and bridges making it unsafe to travel and impossible to evacuate. yellow national park will be closed to visitors until at least tomorrow. that's it for us, the news continues with laura coates. >> anderson, thank you very much. once again it is election night in america. what message is for residents for south carolina? let's see whether voters
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