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thanks for watching. "don lemon tonight" starts right now. hey, don. >> hi. thank you very much, laura. i'll see you again tomorrow evening. this is "don lemon tonight." results coming in right now in key primary election races across the country, and we're seeing a test of donald trump's grip on the republican party. voters going to the polls one day after dramatic testimony where the january 6th committee showed what went on behind the scenes at the white house after president trump was told that he lost the election but refused to believe it and instead pushed his election lies. we are watching two key races in south carolina. that's where two gop members of the house are fighting to win renomination, both facing candidates backed by the former president. representative tom rice is one
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of ten house republicans that voted to impeach former president trump after the insurrection at the capitol. representative nancy mace didn't vote to impeach trump but refused to join if pack of house republicans who tried to block certification of joe biden's victory and has been aligning herself with the former president ever since. and polls just closed in nevada where a trump-backed candidate is running for the republican senate nomination. and in south carolina we're seeing more results coming in. and that's why i have the best of the best with me right now. straight away to mr. john king at the magic wall and cnn's political director, mr. david chalian. thank you so much. john, key primaries tonight, polls just closed in nevada. what's happening there? >> don, you see this is the senate republican primary map in gray. we have no votes in in this race. but you mentioned this is a test of donald trump's grip. in nevada it's also a test of republican strength. they believe they get the best candidate, republicans think they can do serious business come november. they think they can win the
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senate race. it's a democratic incumbent there. they think they can pick up house seats. they have a secretary of state candidate in the republican primary tonight running on the big lie. a lot at stake in nevada tonight. adam wax is going against sam brown. adam laxalt has been a big protein, still continues to insist the election was rigged. no evidence, but that's what he says. we'll get the votes in shortly. the polls are now closed and we'll see. but this is one trump was. a surprisingly strong campaign. >> south carolina, john, polls have been closed for a few hours there. tell us what you're seeing. >> let's come across. i'll switch the map. the house republican primaries. you see the state here. you mentioned top rice at the top of the program. he is well behind. we have not called this because we're waiting for votes to come in and it's a house primary.
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an estimate of 96% of the vote counted. roughly fry is endorsed by trump because tom rice voted to impeach donald trump and donald trump was looking for a revenge match. the incumbent tom rice is getting 25% of the vote right now if you round that up. it's pretty depressing for him in a republican primary on his home turf since the tea party year in 2012. that's one. and so trump seems to be winning that grudge match there. we're waiting for the final call. you mentioned nancy mesa freshman. she did not get to vote in impeachment, but at the beginning of her term, harshly critical of donald trump saying he had responsibility for january 6th. she has since tried to say, hey, i can get along with trump, i can do business with trump, but she's ahead 57% estimated of that vote in. it's a closer race, eight-point
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race right now. katie arrington lost this district before. still counting votes. >> david chalian, john just laid out in south carolina representative tom rice and representative nancy mace, they chose different paths on how to navigate this whole trump issue as they are running. is it clear yet what republican voters think of those choices? >> well, it's clear that tom rice is in a heap of trouble. you saw his opponent was at 49.9%. if he gets over the 50% mark there, he's going to avoid a runoff and just win it outright potentially tonight. so that would be a big deal. that clearly shows that for the republican electorate, the vote to impeach donald trump for his behavior in the lead-up to, on the day of and the aftermath of january 6th, well, that is anathema to what they're looking
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for. that seems pretty clear from the results coming in there. you noted there was a different path for nancy mace. i mean, she went up to trump tower in manhattan and filmed herself in front of it. she is still very much aligning herself with donald trump despite not being his preferred candidate. as you close race there, but nancy mace with 57% of the vote in is slightly ahead. she's got 53%. and perhaps in her district, being trump aligned but not having his endorsement is good enough to move through here. we have much more counting to do in that district. >> trump's election lie is front and center in the 1/6 hearings on capitol hill. it's also playing a big role in tonight's contest. can you talk to us more about that? >> well, it is front and center up on capitol hill. i don't know how clear it is how big a role that it's playing. i mean, think about this. the 1/6 committee, a lot of what they're putting forth, while much more in-depth than some new information, a lot of this is the narrative that unfolded in that second impeachment of
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trump, the one that tom rice actually in the house voted to impeach donald trump, voted to get that indictment, if you will, over to the senate for that trial. so the very same issues that the committee is putting up front, tom rice staked his career on basically and seems to be coming up short tonight. so these issues are still front and center because so much of the republican party is still committed to the notion that the 2020 election wasn't legitimate. >> john and david, thank you. standing by, we'll get back in this broadcast if we get updates. we appreciate that. now i want to turn to the best of the best of the best. cnn's senior political analyst john avlon and margaret hoover, host of "firing line" on pbs. if you heard commotion there, that was margaret dropping her phone. >> i mean, what are you going to do? >> how are you doing?
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>> good to see. >> you anything you want to add to anything this gentleman said? >> i used to live in charleston, south carolina. it's a different district than tom rice. those numbers are tough for tom rice, but that is a very, very conservative part of it state despite the fact of being coastal. nancy mace represents charleston, south carolina, surrounding areas. it's more of a swing district. yeah, her vote is not going to be a disqualifier, but you have to say that, you know, tom rice is facing the a tough penalty for doing the honest thing, which is standing up against a lie. >> considering everything that is happening, there's been more than 100 gop winners backing trump's false fraud claims according to "the washington post" analysis. what are midterms going to look like if that is the price of admission to the gop? >> look, what i am looking for and what concerns me most, because especially as we look at the line-by-line of what happened on january 6th and the
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days following the election, the days following january 6th, is what kind of republican are we sending back to the house of representatives? what kind of republican is getting through the primaries? what i'm most concerned about is we're going to have republicans that support the constitution that are willing to certify the next presidential election. so not the ones who are buying into the big lie, the ones who have demonstrated their fealty why they may say it to donald trump, when it comes to voting in the past, their fealty is to the constitution. that is why nancy mace, her first vote was to the constitution, not to donald trump. while she's been all over the
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map since then, i suspect that if she's forced to make that vote again in 2025 january, she will vote with the constitution again, whereas i'm not so sure her primary challenger would. >> is that as that what voters are concerned about? >> that's the whole point. >> but, look, i do think at the end of the day defending democracy should be something that united states us. obviously it doesn't, but if you're a constitutional conservative, you should be supporting, you know, the constitution. i think margaret does lay out the broader stakes exactly right. 100 republicans who won primary votes back the big lie. that's problematic. that's deeply disturbing. we've seen a lot of big races where there have been split decisions, like maybe in south carolina tonight, where trump-backed candidate wins one race, but somebody else wins another. >> do you believe -- >> of course there is. brad raffensperger won his re-election as though there was no clue there was a sign there's daylight. >> that's a great sign. >> thank you. tonight is not your only
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example. >> don't you think that. it may be different than south carolina, especially considering brad raffensperger in atlanta and the huge -- no? >> no question. they're different states. they're fundamentally different states. >> but raffensperger win was a huge rebuke to donald trump. >> the 1/6 committee teasing saying the white house lawyer talks about the conversation he had with conservative attorney john eastman the day after january 6th. watch that. >> he started to ask me about something dealing with georgia, preserving something potentially for appeal. and i said to him, are you out of your effin' mind? he said i only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth right now, orderly transition. he said i don't want to hear any more effin' words out of your municipal court other than orderly transition. eventually he said orderly
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transition. he said, good, john, now i'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life, get a great effin' criminal defense lawyer, you're going to need it. >> wow. >> and i hung up on him. >> wow. >> that underlies the fact that any attempt to overturn an election, to derail our democracy by whatever means is a criminal offense. decision conspiracy, whatever you want to call it. >> and they knew it. and they knew it. >> real time. plus i love the bat that says "justice." >> it is unbelievable to think when you hear that conversation, margaret, that eastman was still plotting, trying to find ways to overturn the election after -- >> that was january 7th. they just kept going.
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nothing stopped them. >> he's a key player in all of this. >> john eastman is a seminal player in all of this. by the way, john eastman had clerked for judge michael letting who will be testifying on thursday. he will create the legal argument that mike pence hung his hat on for why pence couldn't overturn the election. you have a feud of conservative legal intelligentsia. he clerked for scalia, so it's real rifts within the conservative -- it shows you how corrupt the conservative movements really, you know, cowing to trump, it had such a corrupting and corrosive effect. >> they just can't quit him. so listen, two people you know, rudy giuliani, jason miller. >> do you know him? >> i'm familiar with his work. >> you worked for him, didn't you? >> for a couple years and and years he is pushing back on these claims by jason miller. this was in sworn testimony saying rudy giuliani was drunk on election night and encouraging donald trump to claim victory.
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what do you think? rudy giuliani is pushing back against this. help us make sense of this. >> first, jason miller and bill stepian back and forth worked for rudy giuliani in his presidential campaign. >> where, by the way, we met. >> you met in '08? >> we met in '06. >> they both knew rudy for a long time and they would be an excellent judge of whether he was intoxicated. for all the time i worked for rudy, he was not a big drinker. rudy's pushback was his drink was a diet pepsi. but it's clear there's some self-medication problems going on, at least according to people who are witnesses who knew him over the course of his career. these people liked and admired him enough to work for him at one time. >> i think it's hard for
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somebody who is as loyal as john avila was for so long to have to give such an honest and unvarnished commentary. >> do you think there's something going on? >> rudy giuliani, who i worked for, said to be locked into partisan politics doesn't permit you to think clearly. >> that was very eloquent. >> there you go. >> very diplomatic of you. thank you both. 2006, huh? >> how about that. >> we'll have to talk about that. the january 6th committee now set to hold its next hearing on thursday. we'll focus on the former vice president mike pence. but he wasn't asked to testify. we'll find out why when congressman adam schiff a member of the committee, joins me. there he is. he's next right after the break.
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the january 6th committee releasing new video of eric his or herman explaining how conservative attorney john eastman was allegedly still trying to challenge the election results even after the insurrection. now, in the clip, hirschman asks eastman if he is out of his effing mind. joining me now, a member of the select committee, democratic congressman adam schiff from california. he's also the chair of the house
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intelligence committee. representative schiff, we're so happy you're here. thank you. i appreciate it. >> great to be with you. >> so john eastman is the conservative lawyer who tried to pressure pence to overturn the election, as you know. will you be able to prove that trump was behind this campaign? >> well, you know, i think we certainly are presenting evidence that the president was the architect of this whole lot plott to overturn the election with its different elements, elements that included all the litigation, the big lie that drove it all, a pressure campaign on state and local officials, and, as you'll see later this week, the pressure campaign on the vice president. he was obviously part and parcel of that issue in his own tweets going out to the mall to pressure the vice president. so the evidence, much of it in the public eye is powerful and there's more the public will see this week. >> thursday's hearing -- it was
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going to be wednesday. thursday's hearing will focus on mike pence. why didn't the committee ask pence himself to testify or is his chief of staff mark short, who was the former vice president on january 6th? >> you know, i'm not at liberty to talk about which witnesses will be testifying, but i can say that in some cases we've gotten the information we need from people in the room. it may not be the principals, but at the same time we're not excluding the idea of bringing in some of the top people. so whether they testify this week or not, doesn't exclude the possibility that we bring in other witnesses later. >> other members of the select committee have been all over the place on whether you plan to make criminal referrals to the doj. you said that you feel there's credible evidence of criminal activity committed by trump. so why wouldn't that you do if you didn't believe that?
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>> as a committee, we may. the point is that we're going to conclude the hearings. we'll have a discussion about the evidence, whether to make a referral if we do make a referral, what that referral to be. to be honest with you, i think there's been much ado about nothing in terms of disagreements within the committee. we really haven't had a chance to talk it through. so i wouldn't characterize it as disagreements. we haven't that discussion yet, but we will in proper time, and then we'll decide whether to make referrals and what those referrals would look like if we do. >> so you haven't discussed this in all your time about criminal referrals?
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>> i think individual members have talked to other members about it, but we've had our focus primarily on doing the investigation, and then of course lately on presenting the evidence during the hearings. so we're taking it one step after another, and i think it was premature before we really had done much of the investigation, let alone concluded it, to be talking about what we would want to refer to the justice department. the exceptions, of course, are when people are in criminal contempt of congress there. it was patently obvious that we would refer them, and it was just a question of which ones to refer and when. but the broader question, we'll get to it at the appropriate time. >> what is the end game here? at you prove trump or his allies broke the law, but there is no criminal referral, what is the point of this whole investigation? is it just about setting the record straight? >> no. i mean, there are two different missions here. there's our mission and then there's mission of the justice department. our mission is not a criminal prosecution.
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we don't have that authority. our mission is to expose the facts to the public light about a plot to overturn a presidential election, the first non-peaceful transfer of power we've had in our history, and prescribe remedies, legislative remedies to protect our country going forward. the principal mission of the justice department is to bring people to justice who break the law. we can make a referral, but of course the justice department doesn't sit around waiting for referrals from us, at least they haven't in the past. i hope they're not simply waiting for us now. it's their duty to follow the evidence and if there are credible allegations of crime, to include them. our mission is quite different. that's not to say that we won't make a referral. we may very well do so. but i would hate to give the
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public the impression that somehow that's necessary for the justice department to do its work or they're waiting for us. they shouldn't be waiting. if they are, i don't understand why they're departing from what the justice department generally does. >> if they shouldn't be waiting, do you find at least in what you know enough credible evidence for the justice department to act at this moment? >> i certainly believe there's enough evidence for them to open an investigation of several people. and so judge david carter of california believes the former president and others were engaged in likely multiple criminal acts. and so if the justice department con occurs with judge carter, let alone my own view or others, they should be pursuing that. and so, yes, i think there is sufficient evidence to open an investigation and it would be of you up to the justice department ultimately to decide does that evidence rise to proof beyond a reasonable doubt such that they're comfortable indicting someone. but there's certainly in my view enough evidence to open up investigations. >> as the chairman of the house intelligence committee, i got to get your take on president biden's trip to saudi arabia in july after promising to turn the
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country into the pariah of the middle east. we're told he's going to meet with the man intelligence officials say is responsible for the brutal murder of jamal khashoggi. is this a mistake? >> i think it is. i wouldn't go. i wouldn't shake his hand. i want nothing to do with him. and i understand the president has to deal with a whole variety of difficult issues, but i wouldn't go. this is someone who, you know, was involved in the premeditated murder of a u.s. resident, a journalist, who has a terrible human rights record. and it just goes to show you how the need for fossil fuels so distorts our foreign policy and causes to us act in ways not consistent with our values. you know, you add another argument on top of the fact we're destroying the planet weaning ourselves off foreign oil but fossil fuels zoological representative schiff, always a pleasure to have you.
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thank you, sir. >> thank you. good to be with you. prices are high. are they about to get higher. i'll ask the former treasury secretary in predicted inflation would be a problem while he must have been said it would just be a blip. that's next.
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stocks taking a tumble today as president joe biden acknowledged during a speech in philadelphia that inflation is sapping the strength of a lot of families, and he reiterated that inflation continues to be his administration's biggest focus. watch. >> the problem is, republicans in congress are doing everything they can to stop my plans to bring down costs on ordinary families. that's why my plan is not finished and why the results aren't finished either. jobs are back, but prices are still too high. covid is down, but gas prices are up. our work isn't done. >> so he says he's got a plan to bring down the cost of gas and food, but it is going to take some time. how much time? joining me now, the former treasury secretary, larry summers. thank you for joining me. i have to say, larry, you
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predicted this. there were a lot of folks who were doubting you, but you were right about this one. >> yep, i wish i had not been, don, and i hope the president will prove correct and will see inflation come down as rapidly as possible. i'm glad that the fed appears to be stepping up to act very strongly with respect to inflation risks. i think that's a step in the right direction. i think if we can pass a meaningful bill that raises taxes to reduce excess demand, that reduces pharmaceutical prices, that can contribute to a further reduction in inflation. i think if we can reduce tariffs where those tariffs aren't strategic and are hurting us, but not doing much to the chinese, i think that can make a meaningful contribution to reducing inflation. but i think it's going to take time to put out this fire, and it's going to burn for a while, and it's not going to be completely comfortable while we are putting out the fire.
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that's just a consequence of the situation we find ourselves in. >> let me just put -- give people a snapshot of the moment we're in right now. gas is $5 a gallon, the stock market is tumbling into a bear market. that is really the reality. but you said there are things that we can do, larry, including legislation and there are things that the president can actually do as well. but it's going to take some time. when i had you here in late april, we talked about this when you were predicting this. and we talked about how long it would possibly last. how long are we going to be with
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inflation this high? >> i would be very surprised if we didn't still have inflation at a meaningful rate a year from now. i think it's likely to come down from the 8% plus range it's been at, but we're still going to have inflation for quite some time. we're probably going to have a slowing economy as well, so there's going to be an element of what people call stagflation in our situation. but, look, don, what we need to do as a country is not shed tears over where we are. we need to roll up our sleeves and address the problems, and that means doing things to control demand, to make life more affordable for families by reducing pharmaceutical prices, by doing everything we can to increase energy supplies, by
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doing what we can with respect to maintaining the flow of goods into the country like getting rid of nonstrategic tariffs so we can bring down prices. and we need to be patient and we need to look beyond the near-term economic distress to build the greatest economy that there's ever been by strengthening our infrastructure, by taking account of the remarkable technological progress that there has been. we can do things. it's not going to be easy, but, you know, don, i spent a lot of time traveling and talking to economists from people in other parts of the world, and i'd rather our challenges than the challenges facing europe or japan, and i'd rather have almost anybody's challenges than the challenges that are facing
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china right now with what's happening with the covid lockdowns, with all the financial problems, with the average woman having only one child, with everything they're dealing with in terms of real estate. >> i got you. i understand, listen -- >> we need to look forward. >> i think people agree with that. but the question is, you know, for most people -- and you can certainly understand that -- it's the immediate moment. it's a challenge to buy gas to get to work, when it's a challenge to get baby formula, that is all happening in the moment right now. i must ask you about a recession. go on, please. >> yeah. look, you're right.
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gasoline is mostly about president putin's naked aggression. and if we want to not have these kinds of problems again, we're going to have to stand up firmly to that naked aggression -- >> but do you see a recession in our future? >> -- that happens is the way the nato alliance has stood together. i think we're likely to have a recession. i think we have overheated the economy and gotten some bad luck. when the pendulum swings too far one way, it tends to swing back the other way. so i think we are likely to have a recession sometime in the next two years. and we're just going to need to work through that recession if it comes.
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if we try to avoid it and we try to not do it, that is the very real risk that we will return to an episode of inflation into an era of inflation. >> let me ask you -- >> and that would be a costly era. >> i got to ask you this before i have to go because i have a lot to get to here. the stocks are down again today. we're bracing for a fed rate hike. that could be the biggest since 1994. that will certainly impact americans and mortgage rates and car loans and credit cards and whether people can buy homes and so forth. will that help with inflation? what do you think of that and how long are we going to be in this period where we have these high interest rates where people -- because most of americans' wealth is in their homes. so how long do you expect this? >> don, i think we're going to be raising interest rates for quite some time to come. i think we got to remember that while we've been through a period of remarkable -- >> quite some time for how long? >> for what we're talking about, it's not something that's really terribly atypical in the context
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of the last -- of the last generation. my guess is we're going to have mortgage rates perhaps in the 5% range for several years from now. but i think that is something that people will be able to manage, and it may be that it will contribute to some movement downwards in a red-hot housing market. that's fine for people like me who own homes, but it's a big challenge for people who are looking to buy their first homes. >> well, listen, at least you have a positive perspective about it. glass half full, as you're delivering this news. larry summers, we appreciate having you. come back, please. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. we're watching election results closely tonight. john king is at the magic wall for us and he will have an update right after this.
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as promised a an update on the primary election races. back with us, mr. john king. hello again. you're watching the numbers come in. what's the latest? >> i'm watching something, don, that seems easterly -- familiar. what do you notice? still no votes. i could show you the governor's primary, still no votes. in the 2020 presidential election, it was tuesday. it was friday before we called nevada in 2020. leathers hope it doesn't take that long to count the votes this time but these a key primaries. adam laxalt. it could be one of those to decide. republicans also think they can
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pick up house seats, so let's move over to. two trump grudge matches on the ballot in south carolina. one of them is right here in the 7th district, russell fry is trump's candidate because the incumbent tom rice voted to impeach donald trump. tom rice says he's proud of that vote and is prepared to be retired if necessary. we're not there yet. we're still counting. but not only is russell fry way ahead, the 51 is important. you have to be above 50 to avoid a runoff in the state of south carolina. that's 7th district. now let's how do you have down to the 1st district. nancy mace, a much closer race. she is the incumbent. donald trump wants her defeated as well. he endorsed katie arrington because mace said harsh things about january 6th. she's at 45%. i'll come back to it here. 53%/54%. nancy mace above 50. that would mean she's the candidate if she holds the lead. a gunman in texas shooting
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he's in. senate minority leader mitch mcconnell indicating today he is a yes vote on the bipartisan gun package senators have been negotiating for weeks now. if the bill lines up with the framework announced on sunday. it is something americans have been demanding since a gunman opened fire in an elementary school in uvalde, texas, killing 19 children and two teachers. unfortunately, there have been more incidents of gunmen targeting children since that massacre but thankfully those incidents were stopped by police
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officers who acted quickly. cnn's josh campbell has the story now. >> reporter: parents in texas just grateful to hold their children after police rushed to a north texas sports field house where summer camp was being held and shot a gunman threatening the camp. police in duncanville, texas near dallas say they exchanged gunfire with a man who opened fire at the camp on monday where some 250 children age 4 to 14 and staff were present, some hiding. >> he texted me and said mom i think someone entered the field house with a gun. >> reporter: when the gunman entered the building police say camp counsellors began moving the children to a safe area and locking doors. >> we went in a room and then we heard shooting. then we got scared and everybody started crying. they just told us to stay quiet. we were in the men's room. so there were showers in there so we hid in the showers. >> i was praying to god just so nothing would happen. >> reporter: police shot and killed the gunman. no children, staff, or officers were hurt according to
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officials. >> upon hearing that gunshot they did what they were trained to do, the counsellors. they moved the kids to a safe area and began locking the doors. the suspect went to a classroom, was unable to get inside, and did fire one round inside the classroom where there were children inside. >> there was no hesitation. no hesitation whatsoever. we're thankful for their training that they do exactly what they're trained to do. >> reporter: in alabama just last week a man was shot and killed by a school resource officer after police say he attempted to enter an elementary school where 34 children were attending a summer literacy camp. law enforcement said he was also trying to forcibly enter a patrol vehicle and was killed after an altercation with an officer at the school. >> he went straight to the threat, confronted it, and dealt with it. it ended in, unfortunately, the death of the suspect but that is the safest alternative, to keep that threat out of that school. >> reporter: don, it's been
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three weeks since the deadly shooting in uvalde, texas and there are still several questions law enforcement has not answered about their response that day. the reports that they were treating the situation as a barricaded subject rather than an active shooter. compare that with the two examples from alabama and the dallas area we just brought you. those are how law enforcement is supposed to respond, to go toward the sound of gunfire and try to stop a threat. it is worth pointing out in the case of the dallas suburb camp incident it is not just police applauded for their response but also the camp counsellors for quickly springing into action trying to get the kids to safety as shots rang out. >> josh campbell, thank you very much. primary election results are coming in. john king is back at the magic wall with the latest numbers right after this. because you can track us and see exactly when we'll be there. >> woman: i have a few more minutes. let's go! >> tech vo: that's service that fits your schedule. go to safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪
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it is primary election night in america.
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polls just closing in nevada. we're also getting results in from south carolina where trump's election lie is front and center in key races one day after a dramatic day of testimony on capitol hill and the january 6th committee is out tonight promising much more to come. we'll tell you about that in just a moment. but first, we want to get the primary results. cnn's john king at the magic wall and kim in las vegas, you're at a tabulation center where the votes are coming in. we have been waiting for some results now. are you seeing anything? >> what we're seeing and i'll have my cameraman take a quick look over my shoulder. you see the carts and boxes on top of them. these are actually cartridges coming in for the various polling centers, vote centers, and they will go to the people sitting at the various, long tables where they will be uploaded and sent to the elections board in clark county and that will be tabulated and
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then we'll start seeing results. these are the very first, just in the last 60 seconds or so, don, starting to come in. we are specifically looking at what is going to be happening in the gop primary for the u.s. senate. it is essentially a two-man race. one of the candidates is the former attorney general who many of the voters we spoke with today at various polling centers said they consider the front-runner. he is the more established candidate, has been in office, a better known quantity. he has donald trump's endorsement. but he has seen a late challenge from a political newcomer, sam brown, an army retired captain, someone who earned the purple heart while he was in afghanistan and was injured. he was seeing grass roots energy, a lot of support, able

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