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year flood in the formal categorization. the national park service says some sections of the park could remain closed for month. significant damage in the town of gardner where buildings have been swept up by the swells and the images look apocalyptic. local residents are sheltering in place. thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. thanks for joining us. when the house january 6th select committee reconvenes tomorrow afternoon the focus will be on pressure mike pence may have been under from the former president to do his bidding on january 6th. we begin with a new photo from him that day. the photo was obtained by abc news. it was taken in his ceremonial office just moments after he and his family were evacuated from the senate chamber. along with the former vice president, congressman greg pence, his daughter charlotte
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and wife karen who's closing the curtains. according to abc the photo was taken after the attackers had already left the capitol chanting hang mike pence. this is set to focus on mr. pence a few hours after they weighed in on whether some in the january 6th crowd were aided by tours they got from republican house members. the information these were reconnaissance tours were not substantiated. today they released a video of a tour that barry loudermilk gave on the 5th of january. he was taking photos of staircases and hallways that are not typical of interests to tourists. this comes two days after the chief of capitol police said and i'm quoting from the letter, we do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious. congressman loud erloudermilk
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to it. there is nothing there. there is nothing suspicious. when visitors come, they take pictures. >> in just a moment we'll be joined by a former police officer who was badly injured in the january 6th attack. first off, i want to play you another clip. the voice you hear was the one on congressman loudermilk's tour taking those photographs. >> there's no escape, pelosi. schumer. nadler. we're coming for you. we're coming in like white on rice for pelosi, nadler, schumer. even you, aoc. we're coming to take you out. pull you out by your hairs. >> congressman louderplik who
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has refused to say who that man was. when asked by cnn congressman loudermilk said he was taking pictures of a golden eagle sconce. he did not address the part of the man photographing the security checkpoint. the committee has not provided evidence that he entered the capitol on the 6th, only that he was in the crowd marching towards the capitol. nor have they accused him of leading a reconnaissance tour. joining us now, cnn law enforcement analyst, michael fanone, defended the capitol, badly hurt. appreciate you being with us. we saw this video of congressman loudermilk giving a tour. the capitol police are saying there was no evidence he led a reconnaissance tour with trump supporters. i'm wondering what your view is
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of this? >> anderson, i read the letter that was signed by chief manger, and i found it incredibly irresponsible. to me the letter reeked of outside pressure. first of all, the u.s. capitol police is not the lead investigative agency with regards to the capitol breach and the insurrection on january 6th. the lead investigative agency is the fbi and department of justice so at the very least the expectation would have been that they would defer any questions to the fbi and the department of justice. but they didn't do that, they chose to answer. when i went through it line by line, it looks to me like chief manger was engaging in a game of semantics. he first refers to the fact that they didn't enter the capitol building when in fact they entered the capitol complex.
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the cannon and they are connected to the capitol building. the fact that you have an individual who's being guided by a representative of congress who's photographing infrastructure, things like stairwells, hallways, and security checkpoints, i mean, that absolutely is suspicious activity. it's suspicious activity on january 5th and on january 6th knowing what we know now, it's alarming. it just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever and i think it was an embarrassing misstep in a line of missteps by capitol police. >> we've seen this video and you'll hear one of the men outside the capitol walking towards the capitol shouting threats to speaker pelosi, talking about pulling them out by their hairs as well as other lawmakers.
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the foot -- i mean, he's also just taking photos of weird places. i mean, a stairwell. the congressman says there's a golden eagle somewhere in the stairwell, but the stairwell, the security checkpoints, it seems odd photographs to be taking. >> agreed. i mean, like i said, it's absolutely suspicious behavior. it most certainly warranted some type of investigative follow-up and then again knowing what we know now, that one of these individuals who was pictured there as part of this group was then seen on january 6th making threats against members of congress, brandishing a, you know, homemade weapon, a spear at the end of a flag pole, i mean, had i been a beat cop, i would have arrested that individual for threats. whether or not it gets prosecuted, i don't know, but you know, is that probable cause? hell, yes, it is. >> congressman loudermilk denied
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knowing the man which contradicts the congressman's earlier statements. how do you think capitol police reached -- you don't think that -- i mean, you said you think this letter that there was influence on it. why would that be? >> i mean, listen, you know, u.s. capitol police has the very difficult job of being a police department and in charge of the physical security of the united states capitol and interacting with politicians on both sides of the political aisle at a time when our politics are extremely polarized. i don't envy chief manger's job, but he's the one that took it. so, you know, he has a responsibility to, you know, not engage in any type of partisanship and to me that's
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what this letter reeked of. >> michael fanone, thank you. >> thank you. the house select committee says it will focus on what liz cheney called the former president's relentless effort to pressure mike pence seen her being hustled to safety. committee aides telling cnn how the former president drove that pressure campaign that the former vice president did not have the authority to unilaterally subvert the election results. pete aguilar who will be handling much of the questioning tomorrow. thank you for joining us. i want to ask you about this. it says your committee, quote, obtained email correspondence from virginia ginny thomas and lawyer john eastman who played a key role in efforts to block the certification of president biden's victory, and that the email show that thomas's efforts
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to overturn the election were more extensive than previously known. can you confirm that? >> no, i'm not going to talk about specific individuals, but what i can tell you generally is that the metric that we used when we solicit more information from individuals is a standard barometer as to what they have to share with the committee, whether it's relevant to the committee work, and so that's the melt trick by which we reach out and talk to individuals about january 6th and the lead up to that. >> before we move on, i do want to ask one more question on this. this police report says committee members are debating whether or not to spend time on ginny thomas on her role or alleged role in any attempt to overturn the 2020 election. do you believe the committee should spend time on her? >> well, the committee will devote a lot of time to the hearings as well as to continued investigative efforts and conversations with people who know information, including the
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letter that we re-sent to barry loudermilk that you talked about previously. the committee won't be shy about seeking additional information from people that have information relevant to the investigation. we're not talking about specifics, but these hearings are pretty well firm and locked in and we look forward to piecing this puzzle together for the american public and sharing what we know to date. >> the capitol police investigated this tour by congressman loudermilk or they released a letter saying we do not consider any of the activities we observed suspicious. i'm wondering why the committee released this video now? do you have anymore evidence you're planning on prepresenting in this tour? >> it was important to release this information because chief manger offered a letter that was ill 250i78d and didn't have as much information as the committee gathered. we thought it was important to
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release that information, but more importantly to resend that to congressman loudermilk. anderson, it's been frustrating to follow the story here. first they said there were no tours, no maga hats. they were very upset about that. clearly we know there were tours, there were maga hats. i'm not sure what to believe when republicans in congress are talking about tours on january 5th. >> why do you think the capitol police issued that letter? do you think they're flat out wrong about their conclusion at the. s. capitol chiefs. i'm instructed to provide oversight to them but i do have more questions about the timing of this letter and the conclusion sz that they gathered and whether thoey had all of th information we had when they issued the letter.
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>> lastly on congressman loudermilk. in regards to the committee asking him to testify, they never sent me a letter, never asked me, never called me. is that accurate? >> i don't believe that's accurate. multiple members of congress. i couldn't think that negates his office -- >> you're saying his office was sent a letter. >> my information is he received the squleert the fiance and mother of one of two americans who volunteered to train people and fight in ukraine now believed to be missing in action. later, a father who begged police to storm the classroom at rob elementary and what happened that terrible day.
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new development in russia's attack in ukraine. two families who went to aid say their loved ones have been missing for a week. alexander john robert druke was last seen june 9th. the ukrainian unit they were with was fighting in a town outside of kharkiv where the fighting has been intense. they both went missing during battle. the search missions have failed to find any remains. the russian social media channel says they have captured the two men. that has not been confirmed. joining me now for an exclusive interview, fiance and the mother. joy, what do you know about when and where your fiance andy and bunny's son alexander were last seen? >> as far as i know, it was
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thursday. i think that was the 9th. and it was during an operation in the kharkiv region of ukraine near a town i think it's called izbitske. i could be pronouncing that incorrectly. it's around there. >> bunny, both your son and andy are military veterans. did alexander talk to you about why he wanted to go to travel to ukraine and fight? >> oh, yes. we talked about it for about a month before he made the final decision. he felt very strongly. he -- first, he's one of the most loyal americans you would ever hope to meet and he was proud to serve his country. he said, mom, i really need to go and help fight in ukraine. if putin is not stopped there, he's not going to be satisfied. he'll become emboldened and eventually americans will be threatened and he needs to be stopped now. alex didn't go to fight. he said, i have the skills to
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help train ukrainian soldiers and help them learn how to use the weapons that america was sending over there. >> joy, when was the last time you spoke with andy? >> it was also a text message on june 8th. we had been kind of having a normal conversation, a little bit about food and then he told me he loved me very much and that he would be unavailable for two to three days. >> did he talk to you about what he had been experiencing so far? >> i think he was trying not to worry me so he didn't really tell me when he was doing things like that. all i knew is when he was joining and things like that. >> bunny, i understand you've been in contact with the u.s. embassy. if you can, what are they telling you about where alexander and andy might be? >> they are telling me that they are doing everything possible to locate them, that they had nothing verified yet and for me
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to -- for joy and me to remain encouraged and know that they are doing things behind the scenes day and night, 24/7. they're going to find them. >> joy, you're being told the same thing? >> pretty much. i haven't had direct phone conversations with the embassy but all of the official channels i've gone through have pretty much said the same thing. they've all been very supportive and very helpful and they're all taking it really seriously and i really appreciate it. >> bunny, how are you holding up? >> well, i'm trying to remain strong and calm because getting upset won't help alex at all. but hearing joy for the first time, this is difficult because -- because i feel for
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her. most of the time i'm really strong because that's what alex would want. >> you're both really strong. i know this is impossibly hard. joy, you and andy are engaged. what do you want people to know about him? >> he's just so strong and he has such a big heart. he didn't go there for selfish reasons or anything. he really had this nawing at his heart and this big burden to go and serve the people however he can and just -- i'm very proud of him. i just want to see him back safely. >> bunny, is there anything else you want people to know? >> i want everyone to know first of all if they're together, andy and alex, we don't want one to come home without the other.
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they were best buddies there and we want everybody to remember that it's not just one person there. and the second thing is for them to know that it was not -- alex did not go there as a representative of the u.s. military, he went there as a civilian with military training. he went there on his own. he was not sent there by our government. >> joy, anything else you want to say? >> andy, too. what she just said as well. he went there to volunteer. and he wasn't -- he wasn't -- he knew he wasn't doing what was easy but he was doing what was right and what he truly felt called by the lord to do and he just -- sorry. >> joy and bunny, i'm so sorry for what you both are going through and i'm glad you're in touch with each other. we'll wish you the best. we'll continue to stay in touch with you. >> thank you so much, anderson. >> just ahead, a father who was
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answers to questions about why police didn't immediately storm the classroom with an active shooter inside and students calling 911 pleading for help. i want you to meet one of the fathers. jackie casares. her dad was one of the people outside the school begging police to go in. javier, in the three weeks since your daughter, jackie, was killed at robb elementary, you said you want to hold people accountable for their actions on that day. after all the changing stories from public officials and all the stuff families like yours still don't know, we don't know, do you trust what's being said publicly about the law enforcement response that day? >> it's been really aggravating. no, i don't believe anything they have too say at this moment. i mean, it's sad to say but, no, i don't trust anybody. >> that day, that horrific day,
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you were at the school. you argued with the authorities at the time saying they should go in. law enforcement didn't do their jobs. they should have gone in faster. do you still believe that? >> 100%. yeah, they should have gone in as soon as they heard gunshots, you know? the point where i was at, you know, i was a good 45 yards away and i heard three or four gunshots at that time. all they did was move back, move back, do your job, go in. what are you fighting us for? go do your job. and that was the thing. it's sad to say. they didn't go in like they said they did. they painted a pretty picture at the press conference with governor abbott. they said they went in swift and took this gunman out and that was totally false. and being there, i saw it all. not just me, a lot of the
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parents there saw it firsthand. they didn't do what they said they did. >> some of those gunshots that you heard i'm assuming were the gunshots that took place not in the initial minutes after the gunman got into the classroom, it was in the more than hour -- in the hour or so -- 45 minutes to an hour that the gunman was in there. according to the police there was still shooting going on throughout all that time. >> yes, sir. i roughly estimated around 12, 15 around that area. not 100% accurate but from the time i arrived to when i was there at the school, i heard it. that's when they started -- not physically pushing us back but holding us back. that was around 12:15, 12:20. like i said, don't quote me on that exactly, but it was in that area. no, they didn't go in like they said they went in. >> uvalde unified police chief
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pete arandondo, he hadn't spoken to anybody. he finally spoke to the texas tribune about his actions that day. some of what he said he left his police radios behind on purpose, he felt they were slowing down. he didn't believe he was the commander in charge. that's what the texas officials told him. the reason he waited they couldn't find the right key to the door to gain access. when you heard what he's saying now, i'm wondering what you thought of that? >> the first part was he said, you know, he was going to do whatever he could after we quit grieving. we can't quit grieving. our babies are dead. they're gone. there's no way to stop grieving. so that, again, is b.s. we can't stop. as far as him saying, you know, he left his -- for -- he left his radio out there, that's total lack of tactics for one.
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when do you see military men going in and out of combat without no coms. if that's the case, there would be friendly fire all the time. that could have been clipped on. they have these other type of radios where you clip on and have the wire. there's different ways. he could have had that and put it down before breach. there's no excuse for that, no excuse. >> your daughter jackie, she would have had her 10th birthday last week. i understand you're told she still had a pulse when law enforcement finally did go inside. do you believe -- >> that wasn't -- >> this is a hard question to ask but do you think a faster response would have made a difference for jackie? >> in her -- as far as talking about jaclyn, no. i mean, she did -- my baby was fine for a while, yes, but that wouldn't have made a difference. i mean, i think it would have
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taken a miracle just where she was shot and it was a pretty bad area. as far as other people, you know, other victims, you know, they could have had a fighting chance if they would have gone in a lot sooner. >> why do you think more people aren't speaking out like you are, more families? because there is a sense that, you know, there's a lot of people in the community, a tight knit community, a lot of law enforcement families in the community. why do you think more people aren't at least speaking out about their concerns? >> my opinion, you know, uvalde, a close knit community. there's a lot of hush hush. the school thing that happened. even the police department, they have to cover their hindes on certain things and i'm not the only one. i wish more people would say it, speak up, you know?
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i'm not the one to stay silent. i'm hoping people will come up. whether they're afraid of losing their jobs, having the type of backlash. you know, i'm okay with having that target on my back, you know? i'm not afraid of them. i'm fighting for my daughter and for the rest of the families, you know, babies that were killed. the two teachers. my voice will be spoken. my little daughter's name is going to be remembered. if they're afraid of talking, i'll talk for them. >> jackie's teacher is still in the hospital recovering from his wounds. he called law enforcement cowards for waiting 77 minutes from going inside. what do you think of that? >> that's 100% true and then some. you know, they should have done their jobs. you know, they -- you know, for whatever reasons, you know, they held back whether it had been orders or just being afraid.
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you know, i mean, i don't know. yeah, honestly i do think they were cowards. they had more than one way to go in. you know, there's -- there was 19 guys in the hallway. did they bother to go into the other door. you have 30 feet of windows. was there anybody on that side tactically that should have been there seeing what's happening? they asked for a sniper. the sniper didn't get there until 30 minutes later. the lack of training, the lack of courage. that was -- i submit that. yeah. cowards, yes, they were. i believe so. >> tomorrow the state investigative committee into robb elementary, they're meeting in uvalde, meeting with law enforcement and witnesses that day. do you think you will ever hear the full truth at what happened? do you think there will be a minute-by-minute,
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second-by-second account by authorities? >> the way uvalde is, no. i'm hoping somebody else, whether it be texas rangers or fbi, those are the ones i feel will speak out. uvalde won't. i'm hoping -- >> i'm so sorry for your loss, javier. >> appreciate that. appreciate your time and speaking with us. much appreciated. like i said, i'm doing this for my daughter and all the other victims, you know, because their voices have to be heard. >> javier, thank you. we'll continue to be in touch. thank you. >> thank you, sir. coming up, two house republicans both from south carolina fighting for their political survival. both angered the former president with the votes they took in the wake of the january 6th riot. what it takes to survive in the modern republicacan party next.
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as the january 6th committee does its work, the party that supports the lie that the 2020 election was stolen is getting a hold on tuesday's primary contest. big wins for the backers of the former president. including defeat of one of the ten republican house members who voted to impeach. how bad did congressman rice
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lose? badly. >> how bad did he lose? grammar quizzes in eighth grade. forget it. look, i don't know about you, but my friends are spreadsheets and coke zero. we decided to do a little work earlier and we went in and i believe we've found something historical. tom rice getting less than 25% of the vote was the worst for an incumbent to get in this entire century. the closest was william jefferson -- >> when you say this century you're talking about this century and the last. >> i'm talking about the 21st century. >> yes. yes. yes. >> william jefferson who was a convicted felon or was going to be, but tom rice by far basically the worst performance for an incumbent. now this isn't really surprising to me, right? if you look at the polling and
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say should republicans -- you ask them, should the party be accepting of those who voted to impeach donald trump? the vast majority say, no, this should not. this is the result you see which is rice going down to truly a historic mistake. >> congresswoman cheney, how do things look for her? >> if you watched south carolina, not particularly good. >> was that your south carolina good? >> i don't know. sometimes i sound like i'm from minnesota. i say chicago. i play around with it. whatever. >> i say manhattan because i can't say two ts together. button, manhattan. >> i say some things strangely. i can't say quinnipiac. on cheney, if you go over to wyoming, look at her disapproval rating. essentially what you see, more than doubled, gone up 40 points points before voting to impeach
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donald trump to after voting to impeach donald trump. >> that is amazing. >> the betting odds, whether or not she'll win re-election, only a 10% chance she'll win. >> given the political dynasty she's from, that's incredible. >> it shows the power of trump. is that app indication of how prevalent the beliefs are, the beliefs on the big lie in the republican party? >> absolutely. we've seen it in poll after poll after poll that was not a fraud. if you look at the elections that were held. who are the gop nominating? a ton of people who tried to undermine the 2020 election, both for congress and state legislative races in key states like texas, pennsylvania, north carolina. so to me, donald trump, the power of trump is very much in the republican party right now.
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>> appreciate it. >> i think i made the slides pretty clear. >> my girlfriend will be very proud. >> thank you. >> former campaign strategist and david axlerod who served as senior adviser to president obama. david axlerod, if you were advising congresswoman cheney in her campaign and you had until august, what would you be recommending they would do? is there anything? >> well, honestly, every time she speaks at these hearings she's probably making her task even more difficult. i think the one hope they have is that democrats reregister and cross over in record numbers to support her. honestly, you heard harry's over calf fin nated analysis but accurate one. she's in a world of hurt and no
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sensible person in politics would bet on her renomination at this point. >> david urban. he was loyal for decades. >> so, anderson, just remember, right? republican primaries are dominated by the activists in the party, right? so there are a very small number -- not a small number, i shouldn't say a small number but a very vocal number of republican primary voters who embrace this and are out there fervently supporting of congressman rice and cheney. in states where there are multiple people running. for example, the republican
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governor's nominee there. >> i wouldn't go too far and say they all believe it. there is a strong portion of it. >> let me just show you the graphic. the question was asked, do you believe joe biden won the 2020 election. fair and square. 61% would say due to volter fraud. >> i don't buy that analysis. i think, look, rice got blown out, as harry said, unprecedented. she's toast. it's no small miracle that any of these people stayed in the run. they all got smoked. nancy mason hung on, was in a
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different district last night. just to certify that. if you crossed the president on this one, i think you're going down. how big a concern is this, should this be to everybody, that people who believe the election was fraudulent, who believe the lies the former president was telling are now running where they will oversee election issue. he ran on the platform that the election was stolen. he is amplifying those lies and essentially signaling he would govern the election process there with those conspiracy theories in mind. we're seeing that representfully dated in arizona, wisconsin,
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michigan. in pennsylvania the gubernatorial campaign guy. he is the most vociferous of the big lie, maybe in american politics. or the activist base of the republican party. there was a poll that showed him running within 4 points of the democratic nominee. >> david, does it concern you? the same question i asked axlerod. we want -- i think everybody believes in election integrity. you know, what does that mean? in pennsylvania, right, i participated in this recount, right? when you get down to the county levels you see just how our elections are run. i don't think there's nefarious
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activity. it doesn't work as nicely as you'd like to see it happen. i think there are lots of things we can do to have better elections. >> there's not are we doing? why are people -- they go to their atm to deposit it but people go and vote on a machine. >> right. but the president is saying there are atms, exactly. >> you don't have to be sherlock holmes on this one, daves's told us this. it is a pandemic of mistrust.
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extreme temperatures put nearly 100 million in america under heat warnings and advisories. extreme flooding is tearing up one of america's greatest national great parks, yellowstone. bridges, roads, homes being washed away, as you see right there, one of the most popular tourist destinations. parts of the park could be closed for the season. nick watt joins us from gardner, montana. what are we learning about how long these closures in
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yellowstone could last? >> reporter: anderson, the good news is the southern part of the park might open to some visitors maybe next week. officials are just trying to figure out how they avoid that part of the park just being overwhelmed by tourists. the north, it's a very different story. it is going to be the entire summer, probably longer, before the gate here opens. >> that is insane. >> reporter: this was a home for park employees obliterated by the yellowstone river, as was the one and only road in from the north entrance. the oldest national park on earth is now closed. >> i've heard this a thousand-year event, whatever that means. these days they seem to be happening more and more frequently. >> reporter: bridges washed out, houses washed away, others balanced on the brink.
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julia vargas jones shot these exclusive pictures from a helicopter carrying out a law enforcement shift change in the park has to be by air when there isn't a road left. >> a lot of the roads and access points to these communities have been cut off. so, the sheriff's office is also taking this opportunity to take a look at what needs to be repaired. >> reporter: the montana national guard has rescued nearly 100 people. all this caused by an unusual late heavy snowfall, then unusually high temperatures melting that snow, plus a lot of rain combining to cut off this gem of the american west. more than 2 million acres, 1,000 miles of trails, 500 geysers, bears, birds. as much as three months worth of water barrelled down this valley in three days, breaking record high river levels set over 100 years ago. overwhelming infrastructure built for what was normal last
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century not for the extreme and unpredictable that is becoming normal in this. for the benefit and enjoyment of the people, says the grand old gate, not right now. this northern entrance likely will not open again this summer because that one road in will take months to fix. >> there's nobody here. there's one hotel that's actually shutting down, told all its employees to go home. >> you were booked. >> we were booked. we were booked solid for a year. we were booked for a year. >> reporter: gardner, gateway to the park, now a ghost town, probably will be for months. >> it's a yellowstone town, and it lives and dies by tourism. >> reporter: there should be more than 10,000 people in the park on a summer's day. today just a few hikers left in the back country. and all this might not be over. there's still 12 inches of snow pack up there and high temperatures are forecast for the weekend. more snow might melt, and the
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yellowstone river might rise again. so, just in the past few seconds, we've seen portions of that bank fall into the river. the owners of that house, we know are concerned that they are very, very close to the water. now, anderson, the u.s. geological survey basically predicted last year that this would happen. they published a report saying that there will be increased precipitation here. there will be earlier snow melt. and that is going to continue, they say, for the foreseeable future. >> wow. >> for decades. anderson? >> incredible images what's happening there. nick watt, appreciate it. thanks. on the eve of the third public committee hearing, pictures surface showing mike pence as rioters stormed thehe capitol. that's next. ♪ i have to celebrate you, baby ♪
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