days will only raise the river a couple of feet, fingers crossed that holds, but tomorrow in billings, montana, temperature may reach 100 degrees and in fact, will see triple digit temperatures across much of the country tomorrow and that, of course, brings a whole other oes host of problems. wolf. >> nick, thank you very much and to our viewers, thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, 40 feet. that's how close rioters were to the vice-president on january 6th. this has trump, quote, poured gasoline on the fire. his scheme to overturn the election was illegal. plus, inside the blow-up between trump and pence on january 6th, the insults hurled at his vice-president and what pence and his family thought of trump's actions on that day. this photo just surfacing of

two missing americans in ukraine, on the back of a russian military truck, hands apparently tied behind their backs. where are they now? let's go "outfront." good evening, i'm erin burnett, "outfront" tonight, donald trump was quote, pouring gasoline on the fire. how trump's former white house deputy press secretary describes trump's actions that put pence's life in danger on january 6th. this testimony showed at the january 6th committee this afternoon, rioters came within 40 feet, 40 feet of the vice-president at the capitol. committee showed these never before seen photos of the vice-president and these pictures are of pence at a secure loksz after rioters breached the capitol so when he's in that, you know, sort of rushed into that little back area of attempted safety. including this one that shows pence looking at the video trump tweeted, asking rioters to leave the capitol, the one sent many hours after the violence began, and hours after trump had

repeatedly stoked the violence. remember, after it started, he tweeted that pence, quote, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. it was that tweet and a tweet trump sent after he was told about violence at the capitol in his repeated proclamations to supporters that pence had the right to overturn the election that continued to inspire his supporters to violence. >> he deserved to burn with the rest of them. >> this all escalated -- pence didn't do what we wanted. >> pence voted against trump. >> and that's when all this started? >> we've been shot with rubber bullets, tear gas -- >> is not going to reject any fraudulent electoral votes! [ crowd boos ] >> you heard it here first. pence has betrayed the united

states of america! [ crowd boos ] pence has betrayed this president and betrayed the people of the united states and we will never, ever forget. >> it's real simple. pence betrayed us. which, apparently, everybody knew he was going to, and the president mentioned it like five times when he talked. you can go back and watch the president's video. >> four million people coming in, so there's a lot of people -- we love you guys. we love the cops. >> it's only a matter of time. justice is coming. >> what these trump supporters that you see there may not have known at the time is that the man behind the false argument that trump couldo overturn the

election, trump attorney john eastman was well aware, he knew he was selling a lie. >> did john eastman ever admit or, you know, in front of the president, that his proposal would violate the electoral count act? >> i believe he did on the 4th. >> so on the fourth, john eastman, in front of the president of the united states, said he knew this was against the law. and eastman was so well aware that just days after the riot he emailed another attorney to the president, rudy giuliani and in that email, said, quote, i should be on the pardon list if that's still in the works. manu raju out front on capitol hill, i know you've been talking to the committee members since the committee ended the hearing today. >> reporter: benny thompson told me, quote, some people in the crowd obviously took donald

trump's word to mean to do physical harm on the vice-president of the united states. now, this all comes, erin, as the committee is debating how far to go and ultimately recommending to the justice department to prosecute, to investigate, to potentially charge donald trump with any crimes related to january 6th. thompson telling me tonight, that decision has not yet been made. >> pence has betrayed the united states of america! >> reporter: the pressure campaign was relentless. donald trump for months tried to get mieke pence to do something no vice-president has ever done, reject the will of the electorate and installment as president for a second term. right after this, a heated phone call. on the morning of january 6th, just before pence was presiding over a joint session of conference to certify joe biden's victory. >> called him a wimp. >> a different tone than i've heard him take with the

vice-president before. >> do you remember what he said -- >> reporter: trump even revising his january 6th speech at a rally of his supporters to take aim at the vice-president. >> mike pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> reporter: the rioters echoing the president's remarks. >> i'm telling you, if pence came, we're going to drag mother [ bleep ] through the streets. >> reporter: each after rioters breached the capitol that afternoon, trump still attacked pence on twitter as the mob was 40 feet from the vice-president. >> the vice-president's life was in danger. >> trump had been told repeatedly, pence had no authority to take such an unconstitutional action. >> was it your impression the vice-president directly conveyed his position on these issues to the president, not just to the world, through a colleague letter but directly to president trump? >> many times. >> and had been consistent in conveying his position to the president? >> very consistent.

>> reporter: the committee focusing today on the role of trump attorney john eastman, who puts the theory that the vice-president could overturn joe biden's victory. >> all we are demanding of vice-president pence is this afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures and the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it. >> reporter: oddly, white house officials were alarmed and pushed back on eastman. >> they thought he was crazy. said are you out of your effing mind? you're going to cause riots in the streets. >> reporter: even fox news personality sean hannity sending these text messages to white house chief of staff mark meadows, saying on january 5th, i'm very worried about the next 24 hours, but as he was peddling the theory, eastman knew it was bogus, writing that nowhere does it suggest the senate gets to make the determination on his own. deliberations in the white house, including this demand

from eastman on january 5th. >> what most surprised me about that meeting was that when mr. eastman came in, he said i'm here to request that you reject the electors. he came in and expressly requested that. >> as trump and pence were privately sparing about the vice-president's role, the white house issued a statement saying he and the vice-president were in total agreement that pence had the power to act. >> we are shocked and disappointed because whoever had written and put that statement out, it was categorically untrue. >> he dictated most of it. >> reporter: as for eastman, had this request for trump he sent for rudy giuliani. >> dr. eastman's email stated, quote, i decided i should be on the pardon list if that is still in the works. >> reporter: now eastman refused to talk to january 6th

investigators, taking the fifth amendment, but the committee is still interested in some of his interactions, namely with ginny thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice, clarence thomas, a conservative activist she pushed the idea the elections could be overturned, chairman of the committee sent a letter asking for her testimony and told the conservative news outlet she looks forward to talking to them and clearing up any misconceptions erin. >> thank you, very much, manu, now to lauren's stribe, how professors consulted when trump inciting an insurrection. pleasure to have you back. with the hearing today that focused so much on trump causing violence against pence, do you believe the committee has proven that trump himself knowingly committed crimes?

>> without any doubt. beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond any doubt, and the crimes are obvious. the most obvious was that he was ordering his vice-president to do what everyone in the room knew would be illegal. namely, exercise power to pick the next president. it would be very convenient if al gore could have picked himself as the next president in 2000, very convenient if richard nixon could have done it in 1960. the testimony showed that eastman, on the fourth of january, in front of the president, told the president what he was urging as a special theory, was illegal. would violate the electoral count act. but the president went ahead anyway. ordering your vice-president to violate the law in order to stay

in power is a very serious federal crime, but there are other crimes as well. one, that occurred to several people today is attempted murder. you know, under the criminal code of the united states, the attempted murder of the vice-president is punishable by life imprisonment. what we saw with the president egging the crowd on, telling them that, basically, his own vice-president was a traitor while he knew that the mob had gallows waiting for him, that's pretty serious stuff. you don't have to go to law school to know that there's something seriously criminal about that. there are other crimes that have been proven. those are plenty to start with. >> well, i mean, it's pretty incredible to hear you say that, i mean attempted murder. do you believe, professor tribe, that attorney general maerick

garland will bring charges against trump? >> i think he will, i don't think he will charge attempted murder. i was making that point to show, really, how extreme this was. that we can even talk about that shows how far from normal this all is, but i do believe, though he's doing it meticulously and not as quickly as some would like, that merick garland will approve criminal charges against this president. i think he knows deep in his heart and as a lawyer that the rule of law will not survive. that as judge michael ludig said today, we are still in a situation where the former president is a clear and present danger to the survival of the republic, not to inindict for wt he has done is to invite him to try it again if they don't manage to get a win in the electoral college in 2024, and then it will all be over.

>> i want to ask you about jinny thomas, wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, and benny thompson, chairman of the committee today said the committee sent a letter to jinny thomas asking her to talk to them and this comes after we learned that jinny thomas was communicating by email with john eastman, right, trump's attorney, and her husband, justice clarence thomas, of course, has been involved in two election-related cases related to this that reached the supreme court. it could be from this point, evolved in more. do you think that's okay? >> certainly not okay for justice thomas to violate the federal law which says that no federal judge or justice can sit on any case in which a spouse or her spouse might have a direct interest. he violated that at least twice. it would not be okay for jinny thomas to stonewall the committee. she has said she would like to

talk but heard that before from other witnesses who conveniently then don't talk, but she has been in direct communication with the guy who took the fifth about 100 times and who asked for a pardon and who clearly violated federal law. we need to know what those communications were, because it looks like she may be in on the conspiracy to overthrow the united states government. it's called seditious conspiracy, the most serious crime you can commit, short of treason. it's not a small matter. but i do not think it matters whether the committee refers jinny thomas or eastman, or for that matter, trump, to the justice department for prosecution. they don't have any formal role there. it's not like referring them to prosecution for contempt of congress. the attorney general said he's watching. he's watching every minute. it's been referred for every

practical purpose. >> he can make up his mind and make his decision as we all watch. thank you so much, professor tribe, i appreciate your time. and mike pence has been hailed as a hero, today, by democrats and republicans. that may be the last thing, though, that pence wants. we'll explain. plus, growing questions about a republican congressman's tour of the capitol the day before the insurrection. does his explanation add up? and tonight, the first photo of two americans missing in ukraine, shown in the back of a military truck, hands tied behind their back and now, just learning a third american is reported missing. antiperspirant. our unique water based formula and 6x6x more glycerin. helps restorore skin to its best condition. new dove ultimate.e.

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try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. tonight, new testimony revealing how white house aides reacted when trump tweeted, quote, mike pence didn't have the courage, as rioters were already sportorming the capitol where pence was. i remember getting a notification on my phone and i was sitting in a room with roma and ben, and we all got a notification so we knew it was a tweet from the president, and we looked down and it was a tweet about mike pence. it was clear that it was escalating and escalating quickly. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> so when that mike pence tweet

was sent out, i remember us saying that was the last thing that needed to be tweeted at that moment. the situation was already bad, and so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that. >> "outfront" now, ryan goodman, coeditor in chief, gloria, our chief political analyst, and bill crystal, former chief of staff to vice-president dan quayle. let me start with you, today was an important day for these hearings and had a clear narrative, focus, subject, character. you've been following all of them closely, did they make the case today trump was directly responsible for endangering mike pence's life? >> i think they did, it was pretty devastating, at least as a factual matter, direct causal connection between trump's tweet and the violence that ensues. and we see from the 1video, the people in the white house think that's what's happening, so reasonable person would anticipate that is the result,

pouring g pouring gasoline on a fire. us saying, that is the last thing needed to be tweeted at that moment and we know from prior testimony, mark short, chief of staff anticipated this and in fact warned secret service that trump would lash out and endanger the life of the vice-president and that seems to be what happened. >> we also have a source telling our kaitlan collins that trump and pence have not spoken in more than a year and we're learning all of this was going on behind the scenes. you know, you've got never before seen photos, right, where pence is reading trump's tweet, actually reading the tweet while he's there, you know, 40 feet away from people that were chanting that he wanted to kill him. >> it's just remarkable. it's analyst shakespearian relationship at this point. in donald trump's own head, he's the guy that rescued mike pence from obscurity as a governor, put him on the ticket, became

vice-president, and you'll recall, as all of us do, that there was never a more loyal vice-president than mike pence who kept telling us we all stand on donald trump's broad shoulders, remember that? i was talking to somebody on the committee the other day who said to me, at the beginning, it was almost as if mike pence was going around asking people, trying to find a way to even please the president on this question of certification. just asking all these questions, you know, maybe there's a way, and then, of course, he realized after getting advice from his own counsellor, as well as others, that of course, including dan quail, there was no way he could do that, then there's the president of the united states calling him all kinds of names, tweeting at 2:24 on the afternoon of january 6th when he knew mike pence was not going to do what he wanted him to do and endangering his own vice-president's life, it's remarkable. >> it's remarkable. one thing you say there is remarkable and i think people talk about mike pence being a

hero. he did the right thing and stood up with great courage to do it, but it's, you know, unclear what his motive was at the same time, running around trying to see if there are ways to please the president on this issue when the facts showed everything the president said was a lie and pence knew trump lost the election should not be left out of this conversation. >> absolutely. >> but bill, the committee did praise the former vice-president at every step of the way today. listen to this. >> vice-president pence did the right thing that day. >> vice-president pence understood his oath of office was more important than his loyalty to donald trump. >> we are fortunate of mr. pence's courage on january 6th. >> so bill, how do you think pence's team feels about that praise as he weighs a 2024 presidential run himself? >> i mean, who knows. they should welcome it, because at the end of the day, if you think trump is right, you're not for pence and pence's best

chance would be more republican voters to sign on that january 6th was unacceptable and may be gradually happening, i don't know if it's enough, but pence went along with much too much over my view over four years, could have spoken up on january 7th when the impeachment became in question, but the key thing, he refused to participate in the criminal conspiracy, and that is big. and i do think, don't you think that's the main effect of the hearings? how long, went a week, right, feels to me like a week ago we all thought, reasonably thought trump had been reckless, i irresponsible, dereliction of duty, wasn't as obvious he was at the heart of a criminal conspiracy and that's what i think the hearings have made much more clear, as said, close to obvious, or at least very likely. john eastman took a fifth against self incriminal

inflammation. what laws -- at who's behest was john eastman probably breaking a bunch of laws? >> right, right, and, you know, i guess ryan, all heros are deeply flawed. so in that case, pence would fit with that from antiquity. john eastman was obviously the big target, lying to trump, admitted on the fourth, this would be violating the electoral count law and then asking to get on the pardon list of rudy giuliani so he was the kind of big boogy man in the room today along with trump. who else do you think should be worried with this testimony? >> i think mark meadows should be worried in fact, speaking to his defense lawyers, the prior hearing we heard from bill barr and mark meadows basically acknowledged trump lost, so he knew trump lost, and today's hearing we know mark meadows admitted to mark short many times that pence didn't have the legal authority yet mark meadows is running point for many of these criminal conspiracies or

schemes so he has criminal liability and then you got giuliani as well. giuliani admits as well he thinks pence doesn't have the legal authority yet trying to help pressure pence to do the wrong thing, which is part of the crime. >> right, so they admit they know it's wrong, it's illegal, yet they go and try to do it anyway. so certainly, not only did they do it, but knew exactly what they were doing. bill, pence's lawyer testified that one of the big arguments against eastman's theory was that republicans wouldn't want kamala harris or a democratic vice-president to do what trump wanted pence to do. here is how he says eastman replied. >> he said absolutely, al gore did not have a basis to do it in 2000. kamala harris shouldn't be able to do it in 2024, but i think you should do it today. >> what did you make of that moment, bill? >> i mean, it's why eastman took

the fifth, i think, and the next question is did, was eastman acting in trump's direct behest, taking orders from what trump wanted and the answer is pretty obviously yes. nixon, at least a pretext of legality, because you have the attorney general, white house council sort of telling him a while it was okay. it's not an accident that eastman is outside of government. he's even outside the campaign. trump has to go find someone who will give a fake legal justification. his own justice department says no, his owns white house council office says no, if you're president of the united states, you can't just say those are interesting popinions but i foud some guy out there that says it's okay. eastman really is at the heart of the criminal conspiracy as opposed to trump's general irresponsibility. >> gloria, what else does the committee need to prove going forward and what do know and believe they have to prove to

the public is if. >> they are going to continue, to draw this straight line between trump knowing, actually knowing that he lost the election, and then telling people to do something he also knew was illegal because he couldn't stand the thought of losing. and so ordering his vice-president to do something that he knew was illegal and we don't know exactly what his conversations with eastman were, but we can sort of figure it out. eastman meets with vice-president's people one morning and then the next, you know, within hours, he's changed his mind. next thing is the 25th amendment. i want to know about what those conversations were with members of the cabinet among themselves, sort of talking about the president's mental health, and what they're going to say about that. >> yeah, yep, and of course pence not moving ahead with that even after all of this. >> and why. >> and why.

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questions tonight for the capitol police, after the chief, tom major, said there was nothing suspicious about a capitol tour that republican congressman berry lattermilk gave the day before the insurrection, late police officer ryan citnik who died defending the capitol on january 6th, major for exhonoring all the latermilk, this man on the tour, taking pictures of stairwells and tunnels the day before he marched with members of the pro-trump mob to the capitol, and threatened violence against top democrats.

>> i have to say, very unhappy. i'm disappointed with the capitol police leadership. he's a law enforcement officer first. if he wants to play politics, then he needs to run for office. he's a law enforcement officer first. >> "outfront" now, retired lieutenant general russell who led the review of capitol security after the deadly insurrection. general, i appreciate your time. so what do you see in that video of congressman latermilk's tour, where we see the video of march the next day, seeing pictures of stairwells, tunnels, and actually those screening machines you walk through when you enter the building. >> well, i think, erin, when you put this in context of what happened the next day, the context that what, why these people were taking picture of entrances, exits, security stations, when you put it in that context, chief manger's

response, is it not syncing with the average person who might know that some of those people eventually ended up being a part of the mob the next day, standing outside the capitol. and the mixed messages coming from the house of representatives, about not knowing, didn't do it, not knowing the people, make it very suspect. the other thing i saw in a quote from chief manger on role call where he didn't acknowledge there was anything unusual about that and there were no tours that day. so the justice department has all that tape and might be in better shape to review that by the capitol police. capitol police does not have a strong investigating arm, but to laymen like me, it look like something more like a recon than

it was a historical tour of the basement of the capitol, which is an unusual place to conduct a tour. >> well, right, and i presume on some level you're being tongue in cheek, a laymen like you, you're not, you're a general and led the capitol hill security the day after this. so you know more than almost anyone. so general, in part of his statement, chief manger says, quote, we train our officers on being alert for people conducting surveillance or reconnaissance and do not consider any of the activities we observed as suspicious. what, what do you think the issue is here? are they worried they're going to look as if they've messed up and they blew it? is this a cover-up of that nature? is this as sandra garza indicated, brian citnik's partner, manger being political? what do you think? >> i think it's a little bit of both. i think to admit that when

people returned the capitol the day before when they were not allowed, these representatives, when they come in and show that pin, it's like don't ask me no questions, i'm bringing you, they get a pass. at some checkpoint they went through and escorted these people. may have not been the representatives themself, may have been a member of staff with the same authority to bring people in there, but there were not supposed to be any tour that is day. .2. the other position manger is in, he's looking out a few months and next speaker of the house could be kevin mccarthy. that's going to be one of his future bosses. so it does not shape well on the loyal members i know and got to work with for two months, the capitol pleets, that the leadership, i think they might want to take a knee on this, go

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the most important thing i may ever say, those were the exact words of mike pence about the statement he would make as he certified the election on january 6th, that is according to new testimony from pence's attorney today. >> the vice-president said this may be the most important thing i ever say. >> the statement -- >> the statement, yeah, he really wanted to make sure that

it was just so. "outfront" now, someone who knows what it's like to be one of the republicans to stand up to trump, al schmidt, in philadelphia, targeted by trump for not testing to trump's lies. i know you and i have spoken many times since you stood up to the president on this issue of the election, so you know personally what it's like to go against him and those in your own party who believed that lie or even not believing it perpetuated it. what did you think when you heard the testimony today? about the pressure on pence, behind the scenes, from president trump, when you find out pence was just 40 feet away from the rioters? >> it must have been incredibly intense for him in that situation. i know just a little bit what it's like to have the former president unleash his angry supporters on you, but that

doesn't begin to compare to what the vice-president must have gone through and the precarious position that he was in, in person on capitol hill, on january 6th. >> so i want to play some more video evidence that we all saw today, from today's hearing, watch this, al. >> it all escalated after, what happened, pence, pence didn't do what we wanted. >> pence voted against trump. >> and that's when all this started? >> yep. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> mike pence was truly in danger that day, you know, that wasn't all just rhetorical. the committee members were very clear on that. here's congressman aguilar. >> make no mistake about the fact that the vice-president's life was in danger. a recent court filing by the department of justice explains that a confidential informant from the proud boys told the

fbi, the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> did you think, and you've heard those chants so many times, right, al? hang mike pence. and it's not as if you don't take it seriously and don't believe it's real, but did you believe those rioters were being literal? it certainly now appears that they were. >> oh, i've had no doubt about it. i mean there was clearly this concerted effort and to use their own words, it was clear they were being very literal about what they were going to do in their effort to chase down or locate different members of congress who they felt were standing in their way. and in the vice-president's case, he, according to the former president, was in a position of deciding whether the election was going to be certified or not. so all of their anger was

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captured. this comes as the state department now identifies a third american who went missing in action in ukraine. former u.s. marine has been missing since the end of april. i want to bring in matthew chance who is live from brussels joining me now. matthew, what is the u.s. saying about these missing americans tonight? >> reporter: well, i mean, it's saying that they're in contact, of course, with the families of these missing americans. they're in contact with the red cross to try and organize access to them. and of course they're in contact with the ukrainians as well, as well as british officials. of course britain has two of its own nationals that are being held in eastern ukraine, having fought with ukrainian forces in that region. also, what the united states are saying they're not in contact with is russia. they say they don't have credible evidence or reports at the moment that russia is actually in charge or has these

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we witnessed these lightly armed russian airborne troops fighting for their lives on the outskirts of kyiv. now the ukrainian defense minister tells cnn written military orders were recovered from the body of a russian officer killed here confirming his russian commanders expected a quick attack. >> he had to be in government quarter after 12 hours from the invasion, from the starting of the invasion. >> center of kyiv. >> center of kyiv. he had to control building, office of president, parliamen. and 72 hours after they were sure that, for example, president will be evacuated -- >> reporter: in retrospect, that looks astoningly naive, did you want it. >> frankly, our partners were also naive. they also told us that invasion

are imminent and they will fall. you have only 72 hours. >> reporter: but then four months now, ukraine has been holding out, even defeating russian forces near the capital with the help of armor-piercing weapons from the u.s. and others. the biden administration has already committed to $40 billion to this fight, and the ukrainian defense minister insists that washington and its allies have assured him that support will continue. >> our partners will never stop. i was told that. i spoke with my friend austin -- lloyd austin, secretary of defense of the united states, secretary of defense of uk, ben wallace, and our other colleagues. they told me, alexi, don't worry. we will not stop. >> reporter: do you really believe that that is a genuine commitment by the united states to continue to militarily back

ukraine into the future no matter what? >> i heard yesterday and i felt that it's absolutely honestly. >> reporter: and the ukrainians are honest too about what their new weapons will be for, weapons like these state of the art integral 7 guns that we were shown in southern ukraine earlier this month, or the multiple launch rocket launchers that will soon be in service here. the defense minister says they will help ukraine take back occupied land. >> we are going to liberate all our territories. >> all of it. >> all of it. >> what about crimea. >> crimea is ukrainian. for me, it's absolutely understandable. >> so, you're saying that crimea is a military objective of the ukrainian armed forces with this weapon? >> i assure that crimea is a strategic objective for ukraine because it's a ukrainian

territory. but we will move step by step. i mean, the first stage, it's stabilization. >> reporter: the reason i ask -- >> i will finish my -- the second stage is to keep them out, fill the 24 february border situation. and third stage, we will discuss it with our partners how we'll liberate our territories, includes crimea also. >> reporter: none of that will go down well in moscow. and even with advanced western weapons to replace these old soviet ones, ukraine looks set for a long fight. >> well, that fight continues to take a heavy toll. the defense minister confirming tens of thousands of ukrainians have been killed but stopping short of putting an exact number on its military losses, erin. >> thank you very much, matthew.

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