hamilton, and billy porter, many more. former first lady michelle obama will also deliver special remarks during this televised event. the event airs live sunday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. the news continues this friday, so let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com john thank you so much. looking forward to that concert this coming sunday. have a great weekend. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." i've been waiting -- i mean, we all have, haven't we? waiting to learn what the january 6 committee had found out, waiting to see who might testify, waiting to hear from the people who already spoke to the committee, waiting to see what was happening behind the scenes, not just at the white house but also inside the capitol, where the vice president and both chambers of commerce were running for their lives. we've been waiting to see how

this would play out before the electorate and whether any opinions or any votes or legislation might change. we've also been waiting for what the person who obviously seems to be at the center of the committee's attention, former president donald j. trump, wondering what he has to say about all the committee's assertions, and there are a lot of them. like that he was told his scheme was to told overturn the election was in fact illegal, but he pressured his vice president to go along with it anyway. things like he knew that mike pence's life was in danger at the capitol but kept publicly lashing out at him during the attack anyway. well, the wayit seems to be ove because today in his first public appearance since the hearing, he didn't really deny any of that exactly. instead, he admitted he did pressure pence to try to keep him in power. but he did deny one thing. >> never called mike pence a

wimp. i never called him a wimp. mike pence had a chance to be great. he had a chance to be, frankly, historic. but just like bill barr and the rest of these weak people, mike -- and i say it sadly because i like him. but mike did not have the courage to act. truth is he could have sent it back to the state legislatures. i said to mike, if you do this, you could be thomas jefferson. >> so, he didn't call mike pence a wimp on that alleged heated phone call on the morning of january 6th. he just accused him of not having any courage or weak like the rest of them. not sure i'm seeing the qualitative difference here. as rioter s were hunting the vie president down that day, trump was actually tweeting the same. and the former vice president

had to go into hiding because that mob was so whipped up into a frenzy. and while he was hiding, we just saw these pictures he watched trump praise that mob, telling him he loved them and they were very special, one of the most surreal snapshots in american history. and today the ex-president even floated pardons for some of those rioters if he ever gets back into the white house. so, there is of course no backing down from the election lie that he has spoken of. and we're going to dig in more tonight on just how those lies are still putting democracy at risk long after january 6th. remember this warning from former conservative federal judge michael luttig yesterday? listen to this. >> still donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to

american democracy. >> clear and present danger to american democracy. he's referring to how the lies related to the elections have metastasized and how they keep seeming to threaten future elections. and we're seeing dhiend of scenario play out now in all kinds oof ways and not just in large cities. a gop commission in a tiny county in new mexico was just ref refusing to certify a primary vote over baseless claims about dominion voting machines. sound a little familiar? and in a moment we're going to talk with the secretary of state who sued to protect the will of the voters there and won. but the question really is, is this just a preview of what's to come this november 2022 or maybe a look ahead to november 2024? and really will these january 6 hearings help prevent any

so-called clear and present dangers to our democracy? i'm joined now by a member of the january 6 select committee, congressman jamie raskin. welcome to the program. i'm glad you're here today, congressman. all eyes have really been on these hearings, waiting to see what might unfold. and i'm wondering from your perspective, initially how do you think it's going in the mission to alert the public about not only the need for the committee but the clear and present danger it still poses? >> the evidence is still overwhelming that even donald trump isn't trying to lie about it anymore. he just came right out tonight and essentially affirmed everything we're saying. he never challenged the idea that he's been lying about who won the election. he never challenged the idea that he's been ripping off his followers by pretending that their money was somehow going into litigation or, you know, anything to try to overturn the

official result. and he's basically did nothing to challenge any fact that we have deduced in this process. he just comes out and says he didn't call mike pence a wimp. he was basically just calling him a coward. he didn't have the courage to do what needed to be done. in other words, trump is saying he was right in trying to force mike pence into violating his constitutional role by unilaterally rejecting electoral college votes and deciding himself who should be the president of the united states. >> you're right, but he hasn't been challenging it. but the committee is being challenged as we speak from the department of justice. i would like you to address it because there has been allegations from the doj that the committee is having some hand in delaying prosecutions of very important cases, including those surrounding the proud boys. i want you to respond. they wrote a letter about this

very issue that we can put up on the screen as well. the quote says, the select committee's failure to grant the department access to these transcripts, transcripts about what's happening on the hill right now, complicates the department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engaged in criminal conduct in retaliation for the january 6th attack on the capitol. i bring this up, of course, congressman, because you know know as well as i do that the committee's work is legislative. it's an oversight function. the department of justice has the prosecution angle of this. can you respond to the claims that the committee is not being forthcoming and may be undermining doj's ability to prosecute? is that true? >> well, i'm not going to enter into the specifics of any dialogue taking place between the department of justice and the select committee about evidence. all i will say is that was not a challenge in any way to the factual authenticity of the evidence that we've presented to the people. they're basically just saying they want access to interviews

with more than 1,000 people that we have engaged in. >> why not give it to them? why not give them access? >> our legal staff are involved in a process to deal with all of those things. they're not just turning everything they have over to us because they're governed by particular guidelines and strictures. and it's the exact same thing with us. it's the separation of powers. and they have all the same investigative authorities and powers we have, including the subpoena power. so, we are trying to get our story out there to the people. but i'm sure we're going to be able to work things out with the department of justice. >> well, i'm sure they're optimistic that would happen. as a former prosecutor, i think to myself of having to dot my is and cross my ts. if there's information i need to provide, if it's exculpatory,

i'm hopeful there will be an opportunity to have that symbiotic relationship come into play. but i wonder about people's perspective now about what's happening internally in the committee, congressman. part of the week involved a bit of a -- i would say an interesting discussion and disagreement about whether or not there would be criminal referrals. i know you've spoken out about what that can look like. what do you make of and what people interpret about a perceived disconnect as to why there hasn't been the hearings around the doj component, the corruption of the doj. that was one thing that was highlighted in earlier testimony, earlier previews of the hearings. what's going on with that? >> well, you know, each one of these hearings is taking on a huge domain in terms of the facts and what the hearings are doing are looking at different streams of development leading

up to january 6. so, there was the attack on state legislatures and attempt to get them to nullify the popular vote and just install elector frs trump. and you'll hear about that. there is the attack on the election officials. and that's coming up too. people like secretary of state brad raffensperger to try to force them simply to invent votes for donald trump. there was also this plot that you referred to to try to get the department of justice to describe the election as corrupt as a pretext for getting mike pence to unilaterally extinguish electoral college votes coming in from the states. so, all of that is going to be told in due course over the next couple of weeks. and we're trying to lay it out as systematically as possible. >> are you having difficulty at all getting thens wit witnesses

seek? there are some we know have thumbed their nose as far as we know about the issue. are you having difficulty trying to nail down the witnesses for these hearings? is there a scheduling issue? i know we have one person whose wife gave birth this week, and congratulations to him. are there outstanding issues getting people to be cooperative in front of the cameras? >> my rule of thumb is the closer you get to donald trump, the more difficult it gets to have them come in and voluntarily cooperate. but the good news is the vast majority of people, more than 1,000 people, have either complied with the subpoena or just voluntarily come in and consented to participate. but it's true we've had to issue contempt citations against people like peter navarro and dan scavino and mark meadows and

steve bannon. i mean, these are people who seriously think because they know donald trump they're above the law. we've been winning in court. we won in court as recently as two days ago, i think it was, when u.s. district court judge nichols in the district of columbia rejected steve bannon's attempt to quash the indictment against him and rejected all of his constitutional claims and all of the nonsense about how we are an unlawful committee and we are unlawfully composed and we don't have a real legislative purpose and all that. all of that's been rejected repeatedly in the courts, and yet still we hear it from trump's sycophants and acolytes who really act as though they're above the law. so, we haven't let that stop us. we're collecting all the evidence we can from videos frrks photographs, from the interviews we've done from these live witnesses. and, you know, the truth is going to set us free here. we're in a democracy and the

people have the right to the information that they need to make decisions for the future of the country. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you so much. we look forward to seeing more from the committee. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. the question now really is what does a january 6 rioter do after being sentenced for their role in trying to block the election certification? well, the man who learned his fate today also happens to be a county commissioner. and this afternoon, he tried to stop yet another election certification back home. now, there are guardrails for democracy. you heard the congressman speak about those very issues. and we're going to talk about one of those guardrails next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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coy griffin avoided more jail time for his role in the attack. back home in p new mexico, griffin is a county commissioner. and the commissioner voted 2-1 to certify the results of last week's primary' election. but it took a direct order from the state's sport to insight that order. griffin said, no, citing his, quote, gut feeling and intuition. secretary, thank you for being here. for many people who might be learning about this for the first time, this is something you know intimately well. it's happening under, you know, your watch and what's going on. tell me, how did it get to this point though? i mean, this sounds a lot like the deja vu all over again that many have been talking about, like when dominion was involved

or something untoward although there are lawsuits happening. >> i think we can trace it through all the way back to right after the general election in 2020. we certainly saw one particular culmination of that on january 6, 2021. no matter how much information is out there debunking, ensuring that there's correct information, combatting disinformation that is part of the big lie from 2020, it continues to fester, and it continues to grow. and it has done so in this particular county in my state. and the individuals who are propagating it are trying to build an audience elsewhere around the state as well. and it's deeply concerning and troubling. >> let's follow that thread a little bit. assuming the state supreme court had not ruled in the way it did, what would have happened if it hadn't been certified? >> our democracy, particularly

in this county, would have gone off a cliff. all of the voters, the 7,300 voters, republicans, democrats, and libertarians who cast their ballots would have been disenfranchised. every single election in that county that was decided upon or nominations made for county level officers would have thrown out. those candidates would never have appear on the general election ballot. and most importantly, it would have been an unprecedented violation of our democratic process that could have sewn seed of disaster across our state as well as other states for not only this general election in 2022 but for tw2024s well. >> fact, i mean, you talk about this notion as a potential blueprint. for those listening may say that's just what happens happening in your county, it's unique to what happened there. it's not a microcosm of other

things. it's like what you just spoke about. the idea of the connective tissue being the idea that people can choose not to certify elections based on what he described as a gut feeling and intuition, it doesn't -- it's very foreboding to think about how this might become a blueprint down the line. have you spoken with other secretaries of state about these issues in terms of what must be done to try to safeguard and not with an eye towards a particular party being in power or a particular person winning an election but the idea that when people vote for a candidate of their choosing, they've had the opportunity to have that vote counted and eventually certified. is there a collective, you know, discussion happening right now across this country in preparation for what might be to come? >> well, absolutely. and i think the challenge with elections is we always know there are going to be issues that arise. we just never quite know what they are. well, i think we've seen. this has been a canary in coal mine here in new mexico for what

might happen, again, in november of this year or of 2024. so, yes, my colleagues and i are talking. i know everybody is watching very closely as to what occurs here. but i will say this is exactly why we build so many checks and balances into our election process. i think here in new mexico, however, we've identified the vulnerability. so, i'll be working with my colleagues to make sure that their processes in their states are completely shored up so that it doesn't fall on, let's just save one individual who participated in the january 6th insurrection to completely overturn the outcome of an election. >> what is a vulnerability you're talking about? is it the idea this particular candidate is a vulnerability or there's something about the process to certify is vulnerable that it could lend itself to happening again, even if this person is not a commissioner? is that the fact? >> i think what i'm trying to express in this case is that we have a commission in a very republican part of the state

made up of republicans -- that's not abnormal. but because they were suss september susceptible to the lie, the big lie, and misinformation and disinformation that are a part of that, we found, okay, if they don't certify, they can unilaterally disenfranchise the votes of 7,300 votes. so, we need to make sure we have a backup process. i think the important thing to note in this case was there really wasn't a discretionary duty here. there wasn't a, oh, i have a feeling about this and therefore i can say, no, it was mandatory. the court ordered that the commission do their job in this case. but it should never have gotten to that point in the first place. so, let's see how we can make avert that in the future. >> i see many parallels to what's being discussed legislatively on the hill in terms of the electoral count act and other measures as well. thank you for your time. i appreciate it.

>> thank you for having me. it's not even a month after the uvalde school rampage, but watch what happened when a conservative texas senator, who's merely negotiating with democrats on a gun safety package tried to address his fellow republicans back home today. yet tonight, that same senator is suggesting there's real progress on capitol hill. the question is can any deal withstand the pressure you saw like this? we'll talk about it next. it with a new one of the same make and model. get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-m-bum ♪

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well, tonight a third victim is dead after being shot at an alabama church. authorities say worshippers were holding a pot luck last night when a 70-year-old attendee pulled out a hand gun and started firing. someone stopped him before police could get there but not before two senior citizens were killed. and now a third. investigators say that the motive is not yet known, but they suspect he went to church occasionally and is believed to have acted alone. this is just the latest shooting at a public center and house of worship. among the horrified community members, former senator doug jones said this attack should

serve as a wakeup call for lawmakers. >> birmingham community area is known as the city of dhurjs. there's a church everywhere because we have such an affinity both for our faith and our houses of worship, regardless of your religion, that when something happens you expect that to be the safest place you can be. goes to show that no community is immune from this kind of gun violence that we see playing out across the country. no one is immune. >> yet in the weeks since the mass shootings in buffalo and uvalde, even though it's stated and known that it seems that nowhere is immune, as the former senator articulated, there's still no deal in washington, d.c. senate negotiators are stuck on two main points. one is how to structure federal funding for state red flag laws. and the other is how to close that so-called boyfriend loophole. let's talk about it now with ashley alison and doug heye.

i'm glad you're both here. i want to dig right into this issue of the so-called boyfriend loophole. one, people said, somehow this feels different this time in terms of legislation. there were spots that, hey, if there was a preliminary deal that included the closes of the boyfriend loophole that would al allow anyone who -- he would not be able to have a gun. this is not part of it any longer. doug, what's behind that? why would this behind the table? the nra has been vocal in the past about the violence against women act. what's behind this decision to take this off the table? is it the lobbying that's most impactful? >> there's not as much lobbying happening on capitol hill on this as you think. you're thinking about a small universe of senators that these

aren't the bomb throwers and the loud mouths. these are the senators who want to reach a deal. what we see on this -- and you mentioned the violence against women act. i worked on reauthorization of that in the past. that's where the boyfriend loophole really first came up. and what we see when you deal with legislation and the intricacies of it, which don't get a lot of attention usually in the media, is that good ideas often get lost in the devil in the details. and legitimate questions of jurisdiction, legitimate question of due process, which has certainly happened in past reauthorizations of the violence against women act, mean things that may seem common sense to people don't really happen in the end. >> you mean the due process in terms of the prothought the nra was promoting was, listen, you take away somebody's gun, they don't have the full opportunity to have the due process in court. it's pre-emptive. it's something that's premature in many ways. that's been articulated. i wonder what your perspective is, ashley, on this issue. i think a lot of people are

optimistic that although it had been taken out of the violence against women act, which obviously is its own separate legislative animal and et why obviously very important. but this time not including it here, what do you make of it? >> well, i'm still hopeful. it has slowed down. it takes a long time sometimes in washington to get things done. but this is moving faster than normal, so i'm not giving up hope. i think it has to be in there, though, and it's critical. when i was part of the obama administration, one of the things that we practiced is that when we were developing policies, we tried to make sure we included the people most impacted. and in this instance, it's theic have imthes of domestic violence. and if you look at people who work on this issue, domestic violence groups, the research shows that this loophole would save lives. and so when you show the video of senator cornyn being booed, i'm glad he stood there. i'm glad he took it. and i hope he comes back to washington and continues to work because this bill is about saving people's lives and being

a real leader in a moment of crisis in our country. >> well, a couple facts. one, according to the cdc data, an average of 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner every single month. it's a startling statistic. but, you know, doug, part of this conversation, why i think often times what happens and why the wheels of the bureaucratic institutions move so slowly is we've got big umbrella concepts, the idea of gun violence overall. then you've got to have to drill down to the nuance of what people are reacting to. for example, a discussion around intimate partner violence might seem very much tangential to a discussion surrounding a school shooting, for example. the tragedy of it is obviously there, but the idea of not seeing the connective tissue. and i wonder, from your perspective, is part of the issue that it's been too broadly conceived in how to address gun violence in this country and bureaucracy requires the

specificity to be able to be reactive in a way that's going to actually move that needle? >> yeah, look, specificity is important here. and the good news is for this framework that they started of places of specificity. often where we've had horrific mass shootings, whether it's been in schools or churches or other places, there's a mantra of do something. do something is an understandable sentiment, but it's not a legislative strategy. you've got reasonable actors, as we do in this case, who are focused on specific things. then we have to see if politics is supposed to the art of the possible. what is possible? i still, like ashley, am optimistic here. but it's a very cautious optimism. it's a very tempered optimism. this is going to be hard to do anyways. and as we saw with what happened to senator cornyn, there are a lot of politics at play here as well. >> ash leerks i'll give you the last word on this. i wonder, you mentioned the idea of the bureaucratic principles here. is time the enemy? i mean, often times we thought and heard about the school shooting.

and unfortunately, we're talking about i think there's a calculation of there's been more than 56 mass shootings since uvalde. that's a very foreboding statistic and fact. i wonder, the farther away we get from those mass shootings that capture national headlines, are we moving further away from the possibility of having the implementation of legislation and negotiations? >> i'm not sure if not having them in the headlines is the reason why time is the enemy. time is the enemy because every day with ego without this legislation, more people die at the hands of gun violence. time is also the enemy because we also are in a midterm year. and the closer we get to elections, the more people will start to walk back and get scared and not want to act. so, we need chris murphy -- senator chris murphy said they were trying to get this done by july 4th. what a great way to celebrate independence day by doing really the work of the people. but if it goes much past, you know, august recess, i am

nervous not because it's not in the headlines but because politics, as doug mentioned, will truly be in play. >> and i do wonder, of course, if you're somebody wondering as a republican or democrat what um pact it will have on the re-election chances, the boos don't help incentivize. thank you so much. look, if tensions weren't already high at the supreme court ahead of the ruling of roe v. wade, now a scandal involving justice clarence thomas' wife is growing even wider. the january 6 committee wants to talk to her. and she says she'll comply, but how much will she say? and will her husband now have to recuse himself if she were to do so on any january 6th related cases going forward? we'll talk about it next.

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the idea of a supreme court justice's spouse being involved in an attempted coup, well, that's staggered by itself if true. but when you consider the court itself is now barricaded from the public, well, the justices now need armed protection. and even before all of this, public approval of what is supposed to be the aplolitical branch of government is underwater. this is a court in crisis, at least in public image and perception. and as we wait on what could be several land mark decisions, the question is what about the legacy of the court might ultimately be. i want to talk about the state of the court with our own joan biskupic. i'm glad to see you here tonight particularly. you are the expert on what the supreme court is doing, a noted biographer on many of them as well. i'm glad to have your expertise. for people who are hearing about

consistently the spouse of a supreme court and thinking about, hey, i thought even a hint of impropriety forced a judge to recuse him or herself. you're laughing because those rules don't really apply to the supreme court. what are the parameters? >> it's really in the hands of each individual justice. remember, each of these nine justices are appointed for life. they do have ethics guidelines. they do -- they are part of a federal -- they fall under a federal law that says if there's an appearance of impropriety or a conflict of interest or a reasonable person could suspect that there would be a conflict, then the person should recuse. but that is a very subjective judgment. and chief justice john roberts as said that he trusts that his eight colleagues will be able to make that judgment. and it is in the hands of the individual justices. now, you know, ginni thomas is getting further linked to the, you know, the attempted coup, the protests -- the assault on

the capitol, the rampage. she already had sent mark meadows, trump's former chief of staff, messages saying, we have to stop this -- this the left is engaged in. and the she has been shown talking to john eastman, who was a legal architect of something he himself seemed to admit would be illegal. and that would be to have vice president pence actually not certify the election and throw it to donald trump for a second term. >> so, joan, if she were to testify in front of the january 6th committee, would that be something that might be more compulsory and have more pressure from the court. i want to play for you before you answer that question from justice sotomayor had to say about this. i play this to say there's been a lot of reporting you yourself have talked about, the idea of some mistrust among the justices after the leak, after the leak

of the draft opinion. let's see what justice sotomayor had to say about her opinion of the justice, clarence thomas. >> sure. >> he is a man who cares deeply about the court as an institution, about the people who work there. but about people. we share a common understanding about people and kindness towards them. that's why i can be friends with him and still continue our daily battle. >> so, obviously there is a bibl of saying, hey, we can still be friends. i may not agree with you essentially. does it seem the camaraderie is still going strong? >> they have very many layers to their relationships. let me put it that way. the camaraderie is not still going strong. you know, look, i've always said that they will always close ranks against outsiders,

especially those of us in the media, in the news media. but think of everything else justice sotomayor has said recently, including just about a week ago, laura, when she wrote in a dissenting opinion that this new and, you know, reconstituted, restless majority was just trying to diminish legal remedies across the board. you know, she had referred earlier to the stench of court. so, she is saying many things, but she's also trying a little bit to lower the temperature. but when we see the rulings that are going to come in the next two weeks, i don't think they're going to be able to lower the temperature, laura. >> and one of those real quick, joan, i want people to be aware of one that's coming up. it involves the miranda warning. everyone can probably recite the miranda warning from watching infinite episodes of "law & order" and the marathons. are they trying to assess whether that warning should be

issued? >> that's stating it a little too broadly. i want to say i'm so glad you brought this up because everyone is paying attention to abortion and gun rights and re-lidges you liberties. but this is a case that at the center of the dispute is the famous miranda ruling. you have the right to remain silent. you have the right to have a lawyer. but it's not a question of whether you have to have the evidence withheld if you haven't been read the miranda rights. it's a question of whether someone who has not been read his miranda rights can bring an individual civil rights action against the officer who failed to do that. so, it's a -- kind of a side question on it. but during oral arguments in this, laura, in april, justin elena kagan said, do we really want to diminish this right in any way? do we want to undermine the legitimacy and the integrity of the supreme court to in any way diminish miranda rights, even though this isn't a direct assault on it? so, it's yet another one that

plays into a question of precedent of the supreme court and the overall institutional integrity of the supreme court, laura. >> joan biskupic, we'll be watching that. i'm so glad you continue to remind us there are many more cases we're continuing to wait back for. and the supreme court's ruling on it, very important one. nice to see you. >> thanks, laura. if you're planning to get back on a plane this summer, one thing might get in the way. the lack of pilots. coming up, the urgent appeal for help with crews pushed to their limits next. discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the e blowfish] we hit the bike trails every weekend shinges doesn't care. i grow all my own vegetables shingles doesn't care. we've still got the best moves you' ever seen good for you, but ingles doesn't care. becae 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age

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amount of overtime to help you get to your destination. at the current rate, by this fall our pilots will have flown more overtime in 2022 than in the entirety of 2018 and 2019 combined. our busiest years to date. we empathize and share in your frustration over the delays, cancellations, you've experienced. we agree it is unacceptable. i want to bring in now captain evan bach, a delta airlines pilot and vice chair of communications for delta's pilot union. captain, thank you for being here today. i must ask, what was the impetus for writing this, the open letter, and the frustrations? has there been complaints from passengers or is there something you wanted to acknowledge the frustration even in your own right? >> thanks for having me. our issue really began a while ago during covid. we've been making it very clear

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flying. but what we're seeing the issues now, we're seeing a lot of the cancellations and delays going on now. the delta brand is proud and we're proud delta pilots to offer a high level of customer service. that's something that we really want to maintain. we want to maintain that proud brand. we're long-term stakeholders of delta airlines. i got 25 more years of flying at delta and i want it to be a company i'm proud to work for. >> we too as passengers would like you all to be safe, to be rested. i mean, i know i fly all the time and when i hear things like the fatigue of a pilot, it's concerning. i know there's also -- you're up against the idea of mandatory retirement ages, i think it's 65 years old. not that you're anywhere near that, i can see your youthful glow, but the idea thinking about how it's going to create issues down the line, if there's already staffing issues now, is a long-term problem that really needs to be addressed? >> that's a great question. we look at it really as a supply

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