black artists and musicians. and much more will take the stage at the hollywood bowl this sunday. former first lady michelle obama will also deliver special remarks during this televised event. the event airs live sunday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. the news continues this friday, so let's hand it over to laura coats and "cnn tonight." laura? >> hey, john. looking forward to that concert. everyone have a great weekend. i'm laura coats, and this is "cnn tonight," and i've been waiting. i mean, we all have, haven't we? waiting to learn what the january 6th committee had found out, waiting to see who might testify, waiting to hear from the people who already spoke to the committee, waiting to see what was happening behind the scenes not just at the white house but also inside the capitol where the vice president and both chambers of congress were really running for their lives.

they're waiting to see how this is actually playing out before the electorate or whether any opinions let alone potential votes or legislation might actually change. we've also been waiting for what the person who obviously seems to be at the center, former president donald trump, what he has to say about all the committee's assertions, and there are a lot of them like that he was told his scheme was to overturn the election was in fact illegal, but he pressured his vice president to go along with it anyway. things like he knew that mike pence's life was in arj at the capitol but kept publicly lashing out at him during the attack anyway. well, the wait seems to be over. in his first public appearance since the hearing he didn't deny any of that exactly. instead he admitted he did pressure pence to try and keep

him in power, but he did deny one thing. >> i never called mike pence a wimp. i never called him a wimp. mike pence had a chance to be great. he had a chance to be, frankly, historic. but just like bill barr and the rest of these weak people, mike -- and i say it sadly because i like him, but mike did not have the courage to act. the truth is he could have sent it back to the state legislature. i said to mike, if you do this you could be thomas jefferson. >> so he didn't call mike pence a wimp on that alleged heated phone call on the morning of january 6th. he just accused him of not having any courage or weak like the rest of them. not sure i'm seeing the qualitative difference here. rioters were hunting the vice president down that day, trump was actually tweeting.

and the former vice president had to go into hiding because that mob was so whipped up into a frenzy, and while he was hiding and we just saw these pictures, he actually watched trump praise that mob, telling them he loved them and they were very special, really one of the most surreal snapshots in american history. and today the ex-president even floated pardons for some of those rioters if he ever gets back into the white house. so there's, of course, no backing down from the election lies he's spoken of. and we're going to dig in more tonight just how those lies are still putting democracy at risk long after january 6th. remember this warning from former conservative federal judge michael lutting yesterday? listen to this. >> still, donald trump and his allies and supporters are a

clear and present danger to american democracy. >> clear and present danger to american democracy. he's referring to how the lies related to the elections have metastasized and how they keep seeming to threaten future elections. we're seeing this kind of scenario play out now in all kinds of ways and not just in large cities. a gop commissioner in a tiny county in new mexico was just refusing to certify a primary vote over baseless claims about dominion voting machines. sound a little familiar? and a in a moment we're going to talk to the secretary of state who sued to protect the will of the voters there and won. but the question really is this just a preview of what's to come this november, 2022, or maybe a look ahead to november 2024? and really will these january

6th hearings help prevent any so-called clear and present dangers to our democracy? i'm joined now by a member of the january 6th select committee, congresswoman jamie raskin. welcome to the program. i'm glad you're here today, congressman. all eyes have been on these hearings waiting to see what might unfold. and i'm waiting from your perspective initially how do you think it's going in the mission to alert the public about not only the need for the committee but the clear and present danger it still poses? >> the evidence is so overwhelming that even donald trump isn't trying to lie about it anymore. he just came right out tonight and essentially affirmed everything we're saying, never challenged the idea that he's been lying about who won the election, never challenged the idea he's been ripping off his followers by pretending their money was somehow going into litigation or, you know,

anything to try to overturn the official result. and he's basically done nothing to challenge any fact that we have deduced in this process. no, he just comes out and says, well, he didn't call mike pence a wimp, he's basically just calling him a cowered. he didn't have the courage to do what needs to be done. in other words, trump was saying he was right in trying to force mike pence into violating his constitutional role by unilaterally rejecting electoral college votes and irrigating himself the right to who would be the president of the united states. >> congressman, you're right, he hasn't been challenging it, but the committee is being challenged as we speak from the department of justice. let me address it because there's been some allegations from the doj, the committee is the latest as having some hand in delaying prosecutions of very important cases including those

surrounding the proud boys. i want you to respond. they wrote a letter about this very issue we can put up on the screen as well where the quote said the select committee's failure to grant the department access to these transcripts, trips about what's happening on the hill right now, complicates the department's ability to investigate and prosecute those who engage in criminal conduct in retaliation to the january 6th attack on the capitol. i bring this up, of course, congressman, because you know as i the committee's work is legislative, it's an oversight function. can you respond to the claims that the committee is not being forthcoming and may be undermining doj's ability to prosecute? is that true? >> well, i'm not going to enter into the specifics of any dialogue taking place between the department of justice and the select committee about evidence. all i will say is that was not a challenge in any way to the factual authenticity of the

evidence we presented to people. they're basically just saying they want access to interviews with more than 1,000 people that we have engaged in, and, you know -- >> why not give it to them? >> the chair of the committee and our legal staff are involved in a process to deal with all of those things. they're not just turning everything they have over to us because they're governed by particular guidelines and scriptures, and it's the exact same thing with us. it's the separation of powers and they have all the same investigative authorities and powers we have including the subpoena power. and so we are trying to get our story out there to the people, but i'm sure we're going to be able to work things out with the department of justice. >> well, i'm sure they're optimistic that would happen. of course as a former prosecutor i think to myself of having to dot my i's and cross my t's.

and if there's any information i need to provide, or even in my own case i'm hopeful there will be an opportunity to have that symbiotic relationship come into play. and i'm wondering peoples perspective what's happening in the committee, congressman, because part of the week involves a bit of i would say interesting discussion and disagreement about whether or not there would be criminal referrals. i know you've spoken about a particular issue and what that can look like. what do you make of and how can people interpret who are watching these hearings about a perceived disconnect as to why there hasn't been the hearings around the doj component, the corruption of the doj? that was one thing highlighted in earlier testimony, earlier previews of the hearings. what's going on with that? >> well, you know, each one of these hearings is taking on a huge domain in terms of the facts and what the hearings are

doing are looking at different streams of development leading up to january 6th, so there was the attack on the state legislatures and an attempt to get them to nullify the popular vote and just install electors for trump. and you'll hear about that. there's an attack on the election officials, and that's coming up, too. people like secretary raffensperger, to try to force them simply to invent votes for donald trump. there was also this part you referred to try to get the department of justice to describe the election as corrupt to extinguish electoral college votes coming from the state. we're trying to lay it out as systematically as possible. >> are you having difficulties at all trying to get the

witnesses that you seek? i mean, as far as we know about the issue are you having difficulty trying to nail down the witnesses for these hearings? is there a scheduling issue? i know we had at least one person who had his wife gave birth and congratulations to him, but are there outstanding issues in terms of getting people to be cooperative and forthcoming in front of the cameras? >> well, my rule of thumb is the closer you get to donald trump the more difficult it gets to have them come in and voluntarily cooperate. but the good news is the vast majority of people, more than 1,000 people have either complied with the subpoena or just voluntarily come in and consented to participate, but it's true we've had to issue contempt citations against people like peter navarro and

dan scavino and mark meadows and steve bannon. i mean, these are people who seriously think because they know donald trump they're above the law. we've been winning in court. we won in court as recently as two days ago i think it was when u.s. district court nikhils and the district of columbia rejected steve bannon's attempt to quash the indictment. we are an unlawful committee and we're unlawfully composed and don't have a real legislative purpose and all that, and still we hear it from trump'ss

sycophants and acolytes. we're collecting all the evidence we can from videos, photographs, from the interviews we've done from these live witnesses, and, you know, the truth is going to set us free here. the people have the right to information that they need to make decisions for the future of the country. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you so much. we look forward to seeing more from the committee. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. the question now really is what does a january 6th rioter do after being sentenced for their role in trying to block the election certification? well, the man who learned his fate today also happens to be a county commissioner, and this afternoon he tried to stop yet another election certification back home. now, there are guardrails for democracy. you heard the congressman speak about those very issues, and we'll talk about one of those guardrails next.

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shows the risks still looming over our elections. coy griffon avoided more jail time for his role in the january 6th attack, but back home in new mexico griffin is a county commissioner. and this afternoon the three member commission in otero county voted 2-1 to certify the votes of last week's primary election, but it took a direct order from the state's supreme court to actually force that vote. and despite that order griffin actually voted no, citing because, quote, his gut feeling and intuition, end quote. the new mexico secretary of state joins me tonight. secretary, thank you for being here. for many people who might be learning this for the first time this you know well is happening under your watch and what's going on. tell me how did it get to this point, though? it sounds a lot like the damga view all over again many have been talking about when dominion has been involved in the

allegations of something untoward, although there are lawsuits pending to try to acknowledge that. how did it get to this point? >> i think we can trace the through-line all the way back to right after the general election in 2020. we certainly saw one particular culmination of that on january 6, 2021. however, no matter how much information there is out there debunking, ensuring that there's correct information, combat the disinformation that is part of the big lie from 2020, it continues to fester and it continues to grow, and it has done so in this particular county in my state and that individuals who are propagating it are trying to build an audience elsewhere around the state as well. and it's deeply concerning and troubling. >> let's follow that a little bit. assuming the state supreme court had not ruled in the way it did,

what would have happened if it had not been certified. >> our democracy would have gone off the cliff. all the voters, the 730 voters would have been disenfranchised. every election in that county decided upon our nominations made for county level offices would have been thrown out. those candidates would never have appeared on the general election ballot, and most importantly it would have been an unprecedented violation of our democratic process that could have sown seeds of disaster across our state as well as other states for not only this general election in 2022 but 2024 as well. >> we talk talk about this as a potential blueprint and it's not

really a microcosm of other things. the idea of the connective tissue being the idea that people can choose not to certify elections based on what he described as a gut feeling and intuition, it's veryf forebodin to think about how this might become a blueprint down the line. have you spoken to other secretaries of state on what must be done to safeguard not just with an eye towards a particular person being in pow, a particular person winning an election but the idea when people vote for a candidate thundershower choosing, they've got the opportunity to have that vote counted and eventually certified. is there a collective, you know, discussion happening right now across the country in preparation for what might be to come? >> well, absolutely. and i think the challenge with elections is we always know there are going to be issues that arise. we just never quite know what they are. well, i think we've seen this has been a culianary in the coln

here in mexico what might happen. so, yes, my colleagues and i are talking. i know everybody is watching very closely as to what occurs here, but i will say this is exactly why we built so many checks and balances into our process. here in new mexico we've identified a vulnerability. i'll be working with my colleagues to make sure their processes in their state are completely shored up so it doesn't fall on let's say one individual who participated in the january 6th insurrection to completely overturn the outcome of an election. >> what is the vulnerability you're talking about typically? is it the idea this particular candidate or is there something about the way the process is certified is vulnerable, it could lend itself to it happening again even if this person is not the commissioner? is that the fact? >> what i'm trying to stress is

we have a commission in a very republican part of the state that's not abnormal, but because they were susceptible to the lies, the big lie and misinformation and disinformation that are a part of that, we found, okay, here's a chink in the armor. if they don't certify they can unilaterally disfranchise the votes of 730 voters. there really wasn't a discretionary duty here. there wasn't a i have a feeling about this and it was mandatory. a court ordered that the commission do their job in this case, but it should never have gotten to that point in the first place. so let's see how we can maybe avert that. >> i see many parallels to what's being discussed on the hill in terms of the electoral count act as well.

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well, tonight a third victim is dead after being shot at an alabama church. authorities say worshippers were holding a potluck last night when a 70-year-old attendee pulled out a handgun and started firing. someone stopped him before police could get there but not before two senior citizens were killed. and now a third. investigators say that the motive is not yet known, but they suspect that he went to the church occasionally and is believed oo have acted alone. this just the latest shooting at a public center and house of worship. among the horrified community members, former senator doug jones, who says this attack should serve as a wake up call

for lawmakers. >> birmingham community area known as the city of churches. there's a church everywhere because we have such an affinity both for our faith and our houses of worship regardless of your religion, that when something happens there you expect that to be the safest place you can be. goes to show that no community is immune from this kind of gun violence that we see playing out across the country. no one is immune. >> yet in the weeks since the mass shootings in buffalo and uvalde, even though it's stated and known that it seems nowhere is immune as the former senator articulated, there's still no deal in washington, d.c. senate negotiators stuck on two main points. one is how to structure federal funding for state red flag laws, and the other is how to close that so-called boyfriend loophole. let's talk about it now with two political veterans, ashley

allison and doug hye. one people said somehow this feels different this time in terms of legislation, and their response if there was a preliminary deal that included the closing of the boyfriend loophole, which would allow anyone convicted of a crime against somebody in an intimate partner relationship who doesn't have a boyfriend or have a child or married to a stalker or otherwise, they would not be able to have a gun. and yet this does not seem to be part of it any longer. doug, what's behind that? why would this be off the table? i mean the nra has been vocal in the past against the violence against women act. >> i don't think the lobbying that's impossible. there's not as much lobbying on capitol hill as you think.

the good news is these aren't the bomb throwers and the loud mouths. these are productive members on both sides of the aisle who want to reach a deal. what we see and you mentioned the violence against women act. what you see when you deal with legislation and the intricacies that don't get a lot of attention in the media legitimate questions of jurisdiction, legitimate questions of due process, which has certainly happened in past reth reauthorizations of the violence against women act is that things that seem common sense to people don't really happen in the end. >> you mean that, listen, you take away someone's gun and they don't have the opportunity to have the due process in court. it's preemptive, it's something premature in many ways. that's been articulated. i wonder what your perspective is actually on this issue because i think a lot of people

were optimistic that although it had been taken out of the violence against womens act, which is its own separate legislative animal and yet obviously very important. but this time not including it here, what do you make of it? >> well, i'm still hopeful. it has slowed down. it takes a long time sometimes for washington to get things done, but this is moving faster than normal, so i'm not giving up hope. i think it has to be in there, though, and it's critical. when i was part of the obama administration, one of the things we practiced when we were developing policies we tried to make sure we included the people most impacted, and in this instance it's the victims of domestic violence. people big on this issue, domestic violence groups, the research shows this loophole would stay live. when you show the video of senator cornyn being booed, i'm glad he stood there, i'm glad he took it and i hope he comes back

to washington ready to work, because this bill is about saving peoples lives and being a real leader in a crisis in our country. >> one, according to the cdc data an average of 70 women are shot and killed by an intimate partner every single month. it's a startling statistic. but, you know, doug, part of this conversation what i think oftentimes this happens and why the wheels of the bureaucratic institutions move so slowly we've got big idea concepts, the idea of gun violence overall. then you have to drill down to the nuance of what people are reacting to. for example, a discussion around intimate partner violence might seem very much tangential to a discussion around a school shooting. the idea is there but not seeing the connective tissue. i wonder from your perspective is part of the issue it's been too broadly conceived how to address gun violence in this country and bureaucracy requires

the specificity to be able to be reactive in a way that's actually going to move that needle? >> yeah, look, specificity is important here. and the good news for this framework they started in places of specificity. so often when we had horrific mass shootings where it's been in schools or churches or other places there's a mantra of do something. and do something is an understandable sentiment but not a legislative strategy. you get reasonable actors and focus on specific thing, and then we have to see if politics is supposed to be the art of the possible. what is possible? i still like ashley am optimistic here, but it's a very cautious optimism. it's a very tempered optimism. this is going to be hard to do anyways, and as we saw what happened to senator cornyn, there are a lot of politics at play here as well. >> i wonder you mentioned the idea of bureaucratic principles here. is time the enemy? i mean oftentimes when we thought and heard about the

school shooting and unfortunately i think there was a calculation of there's been more than 56 mass shootings since uvalde. that's a very foreboding stutestic and fact. i wonder the farer away from those are we moving further away from the possibility of having implementation and negotiations? >> i'm not sure that not having them in the headlines is the reason why time is the enemy. time is the enemy because every day we go without this legislation people are the victims of gun violence and the closer we get to elections the more people will start to walk back and get scared and not want to act, and so we need senator chris murphy said they're trying to get this done by july 4th. what a great way to celebrate independence day by doing really the work of the people.

but if it goes past august recess i am nervous not because it's in the headlines because politics will then truly be in play. >> i do wonder of course if you're somebody wondering as a republican or democrat what impact it might have an your election chances, the boos don't quite help incentivize politically. but we'll see. thank you so much. look, if tensions weren't already high at the supreme court ahead of the ruling on roe v. wade, well, now a scandal involving justice clarence thomas' wife is growing even wider. the january 6th committee wants to talk to her, and she says she'll comply. but how much will she really say? and would her husband have to now recuse himself if she were to do so on the january 6th case moving forward? we'll talk about it next.

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the idea of a supreme court justice's spouse being involved in an attempted coup, well that's stagger itself if true. the justices now need armed protection and even before all of this public approval of what is supposed to be the apolitical branch of government was under water. this is a court in crisis. at least in their public image and perception. and even as we wait on what could be several landmark decisions the question is about what the legacy of the court would ultimately be. i want to talk now about the state of the court. joan, i'm so glad to see you here tonight. you're an expert on what the court is doing, a noted biographer as well. i've got to ask you first for

people hearing about consistently the spouse of a supreme court and thinking, hey, i thought even a hint of impropriety forced a judge to recuse him or herself -- you're laughing because those rules don't really apply to the supreme court. what are the parameters? >> it's really in the hand of each individual justice. remember each of these nine justices are appointed for life. they do have ethics guidelines. they do -- they are part of a federal -- they fall under a federal law that says if there's an appearance of impropriety or a conflict of interest or a reasonable person could suspect there would be a conflict, then the person should recuse, but that is a very subjective judgment. and chief justice john roberts said he trusts his eight colleagues will be able to make that judgment, and it is in the hands of the individual justices. now, you know, jeginni thomas i getting further linked to the

attempted coup, the assault on the capitol, the rampage. she had already sent mark meadows, trump's former chief of staff, messages saying we have to stop this the electors is engaged in and show her talking to john eastman who was a legal architect of something he himself admits would be illegal and that would have vice president pence not certify the election and throw it for a second term. >> if she were to testify before the january 6th committee would that be something that might be more compulsory and have more pressure from the court? i want to play for you what justice sotomayor had to say about justice thomas, and where play this only to orient the idea there's been a lot of reporting and you yourself have talked about the idea of mistrust among the justices

after the leak -- after leak of the draft opinion. let's hear what sotomayor had to say about justice clarence thomas. >> he is a man that cares deeply about the court as an institution, about the people who work there but about people who share a common understanding about people and kindness towards them. that's why i can be friends with him and still continue. >> i may not agree with you essentially but does it seem the camaraderie is still going strong? >> they have very many layers to their relationship, let me put it that way. look, i've always said they'll

always close ranks against outsiders especially those of us in the media, in the news media. but face it think of everything else justice sotomayor has said recently including just about a week ago, laura, when she wrote in a dissenting opinion that this new and, you know, reconstituted, you know, restless majority was just trying to diminish legal remedies across the board. she had referred earlier to the stench of the court, so she is saying many things. but she's also trying a little bit to lower the temperature. but when we see the rulings that are going to come in the next two weeks i don't think they're going to be able to lower the temperature, laura. >> and i want people to be aware of one coming up. it involves the miranda warning. everybody can probably recite the miranda warning from having watched infinite episodes.

>> i do want to say i'm so glad you brought this one up because everyone is paying attention to abortion and gun rights and religious liberties, but this is a case that at the center of the dispute is the famous, you know, miranda ruling, you have the right to remain silent, you have the right to have a lawyer. but it's not a question of whether you have to have the evidence withheld if you haven't been read miranda rights. it's a question of whether someone who has not been read his miranda rights can bring an individual civil rights action against the officer who failed to do that. it's a side question on it, but during oral arguments on this in april justice kagen said do we really want to diminish this right in any way? do we want to undermine the legitimacy and integrity in any

way, so it's one that plays into yet another question of precedent at the supreme court and the overall institutional integrity of the supreme court, laura. >> we'll be watching that. i'm so glad you continue to remind us there are many more cases we're waiting to hear back from, and if themotor is ruling on it, a very important one. nice to see you. >> thanks, laura. >> now, listen, if you're planning to get back on a plane this summer one thing might get in the way, the lack of pilots. coming up the urgent appeal for help with crews pushed to their limits, next. shback match... only from discover. so this is the meta portal plus. a smart video calling device that makes working from home, work. it syncs with your favorite vc apps so you'll never miss a meeting. and neither will she. meta portal, make working from home work for you. i grew up an athlete, i rode horses...

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the summer of flight cancellations is on. pete buttigieg is now pressing airline ceos to come up with plans to head off disruptions. pilots for delta airlines say they're being overworked even as the airline cancels flights. the delta pilots union published an open letter on thursday

writing in part, quote, we have been working on our days off, flying a record amount of overtime to help you get to your destination. at the current rate by this fall our pilots would have flown more overtime in 2022 than in the entirety of 2018 and 2019 combined, our busiest years to date. we empathize and share in your frustration over the delays, cancellations and travel plans you've experienced. we agree it is unacceptable. i want to bring in now captain evan bach, a delta airlines pilot. i have to ask what was the impetus arriving. was it something you wanted to collectively at least to begin acknowledge that frustration even in your own right? >> thanks for having me.

our issue began during covid, and we've been making it very clear to delta management for quite a while we're not staffed appropriately for summer flying. we don't have enough pilots, and the company is scheduling more flights than they can fly. we've been very vocal about it for thelash few months. we've been picketing at delta hubs and bases to send that message our pilots are frustrated, fatigued. and we really want the customers to know through the letter that we understand, that we share in their frustration as well, so we wanted to make that very clear. >> has the reaction from delta been such that you felt compelled to say publicly because obviously there was not the relief you were asking for? i mean i see the cancellations. we had the warnings about many flights being canceled over the course of summer. one would think with the cancellations that would solve the staffing issues. it has not, you're saying. >> yeah, it's a very complex issue, and we knew going into the summer that staffing was going to be a problem, and the company to their right has

listened to us in some degree. in july they agreed to pull-down flying. we're seeing delays and cancellations going on now. the delta brand is proud, and we're proud delta pilots to offer a high level of customer service, and that's something that we really want to maintain. we want to maintain that proud brand. we're long-term stakeholders in delta airlines. i've got 20, 25 years left of flying with delta and i want it to be a company i'm proud of working for. >> we too as passengers want you all to be safe and rested. i fly all the time and when i hear things like fatigue of a pilot it's concerning. and i know you're also up against the idea of mandatory retirement airline ages. not that you're anywhere near that. i can see your youthful glow, but the idea if there are

already staffing issues now is there a long-term problem that needs to be addressed? >> that's a great question. we look at it as a supply issue right now. like a lot of industries we're seeing supply issues in pilots at the moment. it'll be eventually solved, but we've been bringing this up for delta management for a long time, we're not properly staffed, and you're seeing it now in the delays and cancellations of delta. >> delta has reacted. we have a statement that says we continuously evaluate our staffing models and plan ahead so that we can recover quickly when unforeseen circumstances arise. pilot schedules remain in line with all requirements by the faa as well as those outlined in our pilot contract. that's their statement in reaction to what has been said. what's your reaction to their statement? >> absolutely. they're absolutely correct, and the most important thing to remember is that we will fly safely every day every flight. that's our number one priority on every flight. the other thing to remember that the most important safety tool,

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