>> good evening. my members are repairing for the fourth hearing, tomorrow. we will hear from witnesses in georgia and arizona who felt pressure from the president and his allies. we will hear perhaps the most detail today about one of the most bizarre elements of president trump schemes. to get imaginary slates of electors installed in swing states in favor of the president. this is what it looked like a michigan one the fake electors actually showed up at the statehouse to try to talk the way past police. >> the electors are already here, they have been checked in.

>> these are the rest of the electors. >> the rest of the electors? there is no such thing. it may seem ludicrous watching that. the testimony that we will hear more of tomorrow, this was part of a multi-scheme for the president to overturn the election. it's unprecedented. some members of a january 6 committee. he said he received at his home. addressed to his wife had mentioned how she and her husband and their child would be executed. the division of what's to come in the politics and our country. >> there is violence in the future. i'm going to type it until we get a grip on telling people the truth, we can't expect her >> dan crenshaw, a retired navy

seal. at least one used a crude remark going by a fox news host to make light of the items that crenshaw lost during his service. extremism is on the rise. some candidates are trying to use it to their advantage. case in point, eric grade and is a former governor of -- he is shown hiring -- talking about going rhino hunting you could see smoke in the background. as well as commander looking type you will. rhino is for republicans in name only. they burst into the home and they talked more about packing a rhino. we should point out that after

a report from the statehouse. he denied the allegations. he left in disgrace. earlier this year, his ex-wife who is in a custody battle for the children, alleged that he was physically abusive toward her and her children. she said that she grew so afraid of her husband, she began sleeping and her children's room out of concern for her safety. now he's trying to mount a political comeback with him outside of a house talking about hunting for republicans are not as extreme as he would like them to be. i enjoyed by another member of the january 6th committee. when he talks about the threatening letter that he received to his family. it's extremely disturbing. in the larger picture, how concerned are you about our

inability as a country, it seems, in our politics, to not give into this extremism? it seems like the extremism is on the rise. not in these kind of physical competitions. also, the robert. the extremes get all of the attention. the extreme seem to make it impossible to actually get things done. >> well, most people in america don't intend to gauge and violence around politics. i think we need to look at, where is the missing leadership here? where elected officials of both parties will stand up and say, this type of rhetoric or activity is not acceptable. to condemn it. the ad with the candidate is apparently with assault weapons going into bag so-called

"rhinos", i have not heard anybody from the republican leadership condemning that. i think it's important for that to happen. i think we have to get back to the kind of country that we all expect that you can have a disagreement on a policy issue. it doesn't make the other person you don't agree with your enemy. it means that you and another american might have a different point of view. that is the way we need to deal with things. >> tomorrow's hearing, it's going to focus on state and local officials who will claim that they were pressured by the trump campaign. including, juliana. other new details that we will hear tomorrow? >> yes, as always. there are some things that are no. then, some things that i think people will see as new. i'm not going to stop on the committee. that's what we will have a hearing tomorrow. to lay out the information that has been collected.

i think it is worth watching. i think people were learn from it. >> like benny thompson said that they were engaging with mike pence's lawyer. do you think there is a chance that pence will speak to the committee? >> i would love to have him come in. whether he will or not, remains to be seen. we have heard and learned a lot, because so many of his people came in and spoke very robustly to us. we could still learn more if he came in. either way, do we issue a subpoena? do we end up in a six-month court fight? or, do we get somebody to come in? we have to weigh all of those issues. i wish he would just come in.

it would help us fill out the entire picture. i think it would be good for our country. therefore, good for him. >> is a previously the committee would more information about the presidents fake defense fund. you are calling the big ripoff. when will that be released? do you have more that you can say of what it is? >> the staff is working to put together a document that we can release that will fill out the details. i am hoping that will be done in the next few days. there was more interest in this than i had anticipated. at a two hour hearing, you can't lay out all of the information that you got. we will fill out a bit more that i hope in the next few days for his two i appreciate your time. the u.s. capital police officer harry dunn who was attacked by the rioters on january 6,

republican commerce and -- the gross tonnage of all of this rhetoric that we have been hearing, what we saw on january 6th, for republicans, kissinger. what does that say about where we are right now? where are our politics and country is headed? >> i think that type of extremism is starting to get baked in to portions of the gop. i saw it really here with the amount of death threats that i had after i did a same-sex wedding in 2019. even after my appearance with you on june 1st, we had to shut down our company email. we actually got so many emails that were talking about, pedophilia. they were talking about killing people. they were talking about bounties. at some point, my wife and daughters called me in to say that what they were getting so

many emails that they had to shut down the website. what is happening to adam. what is happening to people in the party. to democrats. all of these individuals. it seems like a go to. either these types of threats -- it is one of those things that you live with. to a point that we have seen so much violence, these threats are not empty. that is the problem that i have with all of this. anderson, at some point, we will have to have some kind of leadership addresses. right now, we are not seeing it. if you can go to a video about hunting rhinos with assault weapons, he's talking to live action role players. any idiot can pull the trigger. any idiot can do something stupid. the problem, i you could have people being radicalized because of this type of buffoonery. >> look, we had a guy try to, according to authorities, killed the supreme court justice at his home.

what does a save you that adam kissinger, crenshaw, two young congressmen, the party would have at one time embraced and celebrated. they are targets of such vitriol? >> i need to add liz cheney to that list. the republican party right now is in a very dark place. i think what's going on, the leadership of the republican party, such as it is, is holding its breath. because, they don't want to do anything to rock the boat so they can win over congress in the midterm elections. the figure that they will control the house for they have a good shot at controlling the center. they don't want to anything that shows the american public house split, divided, angry, parts of the party are. congresswoman luskin is saying, where is the leadership? why are we hearing from them?

she asked a good question. we need to hear from the leadership on both sides with things like this happen. we are not hearing you right now. the republican side, they are just waiting to take control of congress. get what they want from the american electorate. then maybe, maybe, they will start to deal with this? >> the problem is, you know all too well, this is not something you kind of control. once this gets out of hand, is not something that political leaders can say, now that we are in power, we will not do this stuff anywhere. we are starting to have people attack their own. folks in the republican party in texas are going after crenshaw. calling him a globalist. to be this far past january 6, to have this type of political climate, does it concern you? >> it's very concerning. you have to think of it, nobody deserves the threats on their

lives. the threats because they have a specific policy view or disagreement with somebody. early in the segment, you saw something about adam kissinger supporting to get the truth out. the truth doesn't matter to a lot of these extremists. they don't care. you literally had a sitting member of congress complained that they will get you for lying to them. a sitting member of congress said, the truth doesn't matter to them. >> that was, gomer. >> that's why it's important for congress to do their jobs and their roles. there's only so much that they can do. the justice department has to step in with the facts. the facts matter to the justice department. it seems like the extremist don't really care about the actual facts about it. they will just say that they are lying. the truth doesn't really matter. >> when the hearings reconvene

tomorrow, what you think the committee needs to accomplish? how important are the witnesses from georgia? which was so central for the president to overturn the election. >> i think they are very important. you heard earlier, this will be a very important hearing. it's not just the church officials. it's also every layer of individuals that were involved in pushing an alternate elector scheme. they were trying to pressure people to do things that they knew were out of bounds or illegal. we can talk about raffensperger. we can talk about people. we can talk about all of these individuals. the committee will surprise people with the number of people involved at high level. we are talking about people in specific parties. activists. what people need to understand, you know i have set up many times, people need to look for coordination. where it is happening in every layer. to see if president trump was aware that that was happening? they need to see how many

vigils they were contacted. look at the documentation and the data that supports a very tomorrow, again, i think the committee will surprise that market people with the evidence that they have. they actually have the data for the complete story of how these individuals were pressured and how these schemes can be. >> lori, if one of the goals for the committee to build a case for the department of justice. to prosecute the former president. some of his allies for the events on january 6th. how could tomorrow advance that effort? >> i think it will be very important. will you always look at, what was the presidents intent? we talk about what went on in georgia, for example -- what went on with the fake slate of electors, what i think the but he will try to show us all tomorrow, the president not only knew about this illegal activity -- he was involved in the planning of it. in the pressuring of state officials, to do what he wanted. remember the infamous phone

call with brad raffensperger? to find the 11,000 votes, etc. you will find a president of the united states who was very involved in planning a clue. in great detail, we have not seen before. again, his intent. what was his intent to stay in office, no matter what? two ever sinbad -- in the level of vitriol after you start talking about your experiences on january 6, did as a present? i think people have not experienced that level of vitriol, it's hard to imagine the kind of impact it can have on somebody. >> it is hard to wrap your head around it. nobody goes in expecting that somebody's going to hate somebody is doing their job and doing what they think is right. and serving their country. it is hard to imagine that somebody can hate you for doing that.

or speaking about what's happening out there is run. it's hard to imagine. once you realize that this is the country we are in -- like the previous congresswoman said, it's not a lot of people. the extremist are the loudest intake the most attention. the majority of americans aren't like that. just the ones that stand out the most, are the extremist. it bothers you. it used to bother me. you accept that there are more good people out there than bad ones. you focus your time and attention and energy on those people. >> i really appreciate it. as always, thank you, as well. the media to make changes of how well armed the police were when they initially arrived at the shooting at roth elementary in texas. we will have a live report at

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>> we have noted tells about the police response at robb elementary in, uvalde. why it took more than an hour despite repeated 911 calls for help inside the classroom before border patrol units ran into the class and killed the government. officers arrived at the uvalde school with a ballistic shield, nine minutes after the government. in theory, the police had the gear they needed to dorm the classroom shortly after arriving.

tony polaski from the austin american statesman joins me. we are just getting on right now. what more can you tell us about these documents and the images you are reporting about? in anderson, of course this is being compiled as a huge investigation into what happened that awful day. one of the things that is so striking about this image that we were able to obtain late today, it shows in the minds of at least some investigators reviewing what happened that day, is that authorities had adequate firepower. etiquette protective equipment, to take down the shooter, long before they did. as you mentioned, they arrived at the scene. several officers did, early on. this photograph was taken at, 10:52 a.m. it's a screen grab from a video inside the school. of course, now we know the gunman entered the elementary

school about, 11:33, in the morning. anderson, 58 minutes passed from the time we see these officers in that video, in a screen grab. when they ultimately reached the classroom and took down the shooter. >> we are putting up a picture. if you can explain what we are looking at. we are just giving the images now. this is the hallway inside the school. where the left it looks like a police officer. the right, is that a shield sitting there? >> that's exactly right. the lower right-hand part of the photograph, of course you see and officer with a rifle there, as well. i think one thing that is also so haunting about what we are seeing in this photograph, as well, anderson, this is the first time we are actually seeing the inside of robb elementary school. a school that is very similar to the one that i know many of

us have gone to. that very moment, and these few moments, that school was transformed from an innocent place to one of an unmanageable massacre. student let me zero in. the time is, 11:52 .28. how long into the shooting is this? >> the gunman walked into the building at, 11:33, in the morning. that is the time he walked into the elementary school. there were calls, obviously, for police officers to just send on the scene. one of the things that though that is so striking, anderson, i want to point out that much of this information is going to meet public in the senate hearing in austin, trumpeted one of the things that is so striking, we also have attained a transcript of a phone call that the school police chief,

pete orlando, made to the uvalde city police at, 11:40 am. a few minutes before the screen grab was taken. he said on the phone call, again, i was able to review a transcript of the earlier, is that essentially, all they had according to him at that moment, were pencils. he is saying in this phone call, we need more firepower in order to try to take down this gunman. >> at this point, the image that we see one shell, there were reports earlier, i spoke to somebody earlier, they said that it seemed like there were calls -- they would get one shield, then wait for another. some were shield would come in. it's unclear at this point, how many shields you actually need to storm a classroom? this is completely against all

active shooter training. the idea of waiting for equipment. waiting for this kind of stuff to arrive. >> anderson, we are still unpacking the timeline. i was able to, again, review it a short time ago. it will be made public as my understanding, much of this information will be made public tomorrow. you can see there are notations in the timeline. when additional ballistic shields are actually arriving. they are arriving well before authorities in the hallway essentially decided to breach the classroom. again, another sort of devastating picture here that really only deepens questions about what happened that day? and, why? sumac tony, stick around. i want to bring that is been reporting there for weeks. i am wondering, for all you know, what you make of this new image and the reporting?

sumac it is certainly significant, anderson. you are seeing officers there with long guns for the type of firepower that they would need to storm through the classroom. what they call, neutralize the government. the ballistic shield, whether they had it or not. the bottom line, you will find from every law enforcement official that they should have gone in, they should've gone sooner with whatever firepower they had. with this new information -- you know, anderson, that information is starting to come off. this is politically becoming attainable for the politicians who are running this investigation. everything is being done behind closed doors. the public does not have access to this testimony right now. as we know, the police about providing no information at this point. my friend providing the wrong information to fixing it up. you can tuning out to provide no information. we are serving to see if information will come out.

what we will see, it is really a bungled response. a response that should've been better. it should've been more aggressive. that should've really went after this gunman. i can tell you, behind me here, i'm at the high school were family members are attending a school board meeting. this is what you are hearing from them inside. they want accountability. they say that the police here did not do their jobs for that's what they want, accountability. there is this feeling where they are not getting answers to the questions that they have about this response. how is the school and the police department going to keep their kids safe in the days and weeks and years to come? there is still a lot of grief here. there are still so many questions. i think what we are seeing, it is starting to come out. it is not going to get better for the police. clearly, as you see by this.

>> tony, did police comment to the american-statesman? no, the lies that have been said. the misstatements. the incorrect information that has been given out, time after time, it is really shocking. >> which is to the point of, at this time, they need to release everything. we note that there are hours and hours of video that helps tell the complete story. because there is so much distrust, not only in that city, frankly across the state in the nation, at this point -- investigators should simply release as much information as they can. the video, as much as they can. anderson, nothing in the state law in texas is prohibiting them. this is the choice they are making at this point. i think as more information continues to come to light, it

ultimately is going to make it impossible for them to hide behind any aspect of state law that allows, but does not require them to hold this information. >> we know, a redondo in the interview, he reluctantly, the comments he made to you in his work, he had behind grieving parents -- he said, once the parents stop grieving, he will say something. that is a deeply unfortunate statement. for nobody that will stop grieving the death of their children, ever. tony, i really appreciate this reporting period is extraordinary to see this. ron desantis is up for reelection. next, he might be thinking about running for president. we will talk to the reporter, i had.

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sumac florida governor, ron desantis faces a new reelection this year. he's considered to be one of the primary challengers for the 2024 presidential race. our next guest has asked if the former president can be displaced? jen me know with the new yorker, dexter.

it's really fascinating in your article. it describes desantis as someone's that sounds like former president, but speaks in complete sentences. how is he trying to convey the and himself without criticizing the former president? >> reporter: anderson, that's a really good question. the dance between trump and desantis is very complicated. they both live in florida. on the surface, they are both making nice. desantis radiates ambition. he wants to be president. so, it is totally clear and i think we haven't seen this thing, the two of them, what exists between them has not been resolved. it hasn't. is trump going to run? unclear. does desantis want to run? absolutely. he wants to run out. he's only 43 years old. he is very, very, ambitious.

>> his background is very interesting. he went to -- for a lot of people, maybe the only thing they know about him, he does seem to go after these hot button issues. like criticizing dr. anthony fauci. covid-19 safety measures. the don't say gabriel in florida. the things that get clicks, the things that make headlines. he is also, he went to harvard law school. he went to jail, as a graduate. he was described -- you talk to people that went to school with him as a incredibly smart guy. >> reporter: yes, he really is. what's interesting about him, he is from a working-class family. i talked to his father. i went to their house. it's a very modest house. ron is really smart, the governor. when he was young, he played

baseball and was really good. he got into yale and went to harvard. you know, i think he's got -- i am playing sigmund freud here, i think he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder being around all of the ivy leaguers. he is really smart. basically, everybody i spoke to, including people that hated him, told me that, you know, his iq is not in question. he is really, really smart. it's just that, when he gets in front of a crowd, he does his best to act like trump. >> it's interesting that he would choose to that. often times governors are dealing with stuff which national politicians do not have to. they have two -- when there is a storm in their state, they are the ones on top of it. he clearly seems to have national ambitions. he has for a long time. >> reporter: yes. yes. you know, basically from the moment that trump left office,

begin the flourishing of his relationship with fox news. he has been on fox numerous, numerous, times are they call him virtually every day to be on. they have given him this national platform. no, he is very articulate. he kind of radiates this kind of populist angle. i think that plays very well there. they made him, fox made him a national figure. i can dare to say. now it is off to the races. he knows, he feels it. you can tell when you hear him talk. he feels like he is ready. he's ambitious. he is ready. the question is, the question is really, what is trump what to do? depending on what trump decides, what is desantis going

to do? >> if trump says he is running, does desantis still run? >> reporter: i don't know? i talked to former president trump, last week, i was listening to every inflection in his voice. one moment i would tell you, i think he's going to run. the next moment, it was like, i don't know? so, i don't know what he's going to do. what president trump is going to do. with desantis, it seems like he wants to run. it seems to me unlike the, if trump does. because, they are competing for the same consistency. it is the same people. half the population that is anti-only. they are angry about the last 30 years. you know, thinks and feels, disdained by the kind of liberal establishment. those are his constituents. it's hard for me to imagine that desantis would take trump

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sumac we have new details of the missing volunteer fighters in ukraine. spoke to nbc news saying that russia can't guarantee that they won't face the death penalty. >> they are soldiers of fortune. they were involved in illegal activities in the unitary of ukraine. they were endangering their lives. they should be responsible. they should be held responsible for those crimes.

>> according to russian state media, a were being held last week. international correspondent kyle -- what are we learning? >> it's a very sorry tale. according to the descriptions that they have given a serbian tv station that interviewed them. during the interview, the interviewer let it slip that they were in. that was the first confirmation that they were in this breakaway republican east of ukraine. alex, said that he had been captured as indeed, on the first day in combat. they said they were both fighting for something called, task force baguette. they said part of the ukrainian armed forces. a mixture of ukrainian and

foreign fighters. i have spoken, myself, to another american who was with them on the ground during that in the village about 25, north east of where they are not. he said, they fired a shot from an rpg, rocket propelled grenade, advancing russian armored personnel carrier. they said in the interview they had missed it and went missing as the group withdrew. they clearly have been captured. from there factors perspective, they are alive. the bad news, the less people accused of being mercenaries in this breakaway republic, britain's and morocco, they have all been sentence to death in a judicial process. if you can call that in the

republic area which is only been recognized by the kremlin. or one or two kremlin's and other states. under international law, there is no doubt if they were partly ukrainian forces, they were not mercenaries. >> where you are right now, there is a buildup of russian troops read that's an area where they had left previously and it's been retaken. what is going on there right now? two over the last few days, and, as of this morning, there has been an increase in the level of artillery strikes and missile strikes against the environment of kharkiv. there also has been, a very substantial troop buildup coming in from the russian border. which is only 30 kilometers or so from where i am standing and that band of territory is still

in russian hansford they have push the russians back from the city. some of them have artie been recaptured. the anticipation that over the next week or so, the russians are likely to launch another assault. which will add to the burden that the ukrainians are already dealing with when they are ready tied up further east next to the. the fighters there are describing it as a meat grinder. >> i appreciate it. thank you, very much. division in the republican party in texas. crenshaw, something we touched on at the top of the hour. attendees adopted a far right platform. john corrigan, with more ahead. and you can find her,

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over the weekend, several resolutions got approval including one that states incorrectly that president biden did not win the presidential election. one of them was helping the negotiate the bipartisan gun legislation. >> reporter: in a stinging re rebuke, john cornyn at his own party's convention in his home state. >> we kept it off the table. >> reporter: cornyn, the top republican leading the negotiations on capitol hill

interrupted reportedly. >> they tried to get a mandatory waiting time for all gun purchases. i said no. licensing requirements, the list goes on and on and on. >> reporter: as he attempted to explain the emerging deal to a disproving crowd of republicans. >> it's the worst booing i have heard, but he deserves it. he should start trying to figure out how to take guns away from people due to mental health. dan crenshaw faced this angry crowd of right wing protesters. forcefully confronting the war veteran, rino, a republican in name only. saying that the election was stole expend for his support of ukraine among other things. these tense moments pitting republicans against republicans,

is tangible evidence of the broader divide in the republican party. the more extreme elements of the party emboldened pushing to approve a series of resolutions this weekend to be included in the official gop platform this week in texas. it serves mostly as a mission statement and don't carry force of law, and do move the texas gop even further to the right. no red flag. no red flags. >> including measures falsely declaring that president biden was not legitimately elected, that homosexuality is an abnormal lifestyle choice and condemning any second amendment restrictions, rejecting the bipartisan gun agreement as a whole and specific parts of the emerging deal. and officially rebuking the ten republican senators including cornyn for their support of the

gun deal on capitol hill. >> i will not under any circumstances support new restrictions for law abiding gun owners. that will always be my red line. >> now, there's been no official reaction from senator cornyn or his office about all of this, but according to a tweet from a local republican in texas, that cornyn leader went to tell the attendees that i have never given in to mobs and i will not start today. they did delete the quote on their tweet. >> be right back. hiff] [water splashes] is it on the green? [goose squawks] i was just looking for my ball. 19th hole, sam adams summer ale. [goose squawks] (here you go.) (cheers guys!)

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