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a stunning decision by the supreme court overturning roe v. wade taking away the federal right to an abortion. the court upsetting 50 years of legal precedent, the conservative majority writing in the opinion and i quote, roe was egregiously wrong from the start and it must be over ruled. the impact is immediate. at least 13 states have trigger laws that ban abortion now and in the coming days and weeks. the decision sparking protests around the country. cnn donnie o'sullivan in is in washington. good evening to both of you. i'll start with you donee. what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, don, what a day it has been here in washington d.c. it's about almost exactly 13 hours since that historic
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decision, news of that broke and the u.s. and all around the world. we've seen thousands of demonstrators pass through this area outside the supreme court today. you know, when we were here first earlier this morning, there were groups from both sides of this debate and anti abortion activists were here celebrating as we reached into the evening, it was pretty much exclusively hundreds, possibly thousands of proabortion choice activists. the crowd really has dwindled out now. speakers just finished talking but say come back tomorrow. they want people back here tomorrow. what we did see here today, don, is a huge security presence across washington d.c. i will say that it was very, very different to the security presence we saw in washington d.c. on the morning of january 6th. there was police all over the city.
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some demonstrators also this evening marched from s.c.o.t.u.s. through washington and came back. so we are likely to see more demonstrations in the coming days. people here are encouraged to come back tomorrow. >> all right. donee in d.c. let's head to los angeles where camilla is. we saw abortion rights supporters marching on the freeway there. what's the latest now, camilla? >> reporter: hey, don, we were on the freeway for about 15 or 20 minutes, but lapd officers sort of blocked the protesters from continuing to walk on the freeway and kind of push them back inside of downtown l.a. and that's where we are right now. the crowd is still fairly large as you can see. you can hear the cars honking. many people shouting. they are screaming and saying, you know, our body, our choice. they took a water break and just like in washington d.c. organizers here in l.a. also getting ready to do this all over again tomorrow.
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they are already organizing and saying they're going to gather in the afternoon and a lot of them just saying they want to call the attention to what is happening here in los angeles, in california and the ability to get an abortion here but they say they're also concerned about people all over the country that will not be able to get an abortion. i talked to one of the organizers recently and she told me look, i am upset not just at the supreme court but also at the people who are not showing up to these protests. i asked her how she was feeling this morning and she said the only words she can use to describe her feelings was furry. -- fury. that is what she told me. but of course, as i mentioned earlier, it is really important to point out people on the other side of the issue, even here in california states that supports a woman's right to an abortion. i talked to another activist that said she was happy and celebrating the supreme court
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decision today but said there is more work to be done in california on her side of the issue saying that she does not want to see more people coming to california to get an abortion so really, emotions are very high today on both sides of the issue and of course, when it comes to all the people who are here protesting, they're stopping traffic all over downtown l.a. and they're continuing. they're actually supposed to stop around 8:00 p.m. and we're now past that time period they were supposed to end and i think they're going to just continue walking. i don't know until when. more and more people start joining and honking and this is what we're likely going to continue to see throughout the night. >> thank you very much. that takes talent to do a report and -- i'm talking to jeffrey toobin joining us now. jeffrey toobin joins us. our chief analyst is with us and cnn legal analyst and supreme court biographer. she was walking backwards and didn't miss a step. >> very impressive.
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>> jeffrey, a woman's -- good evening to both of you. a woman's constitutional right for abortion is over. it is now with the states. when justice kennedy announced his retirement in 2018, this was jeffrey toobin's immediate reaction, watch. >> abortion will be illegal in a significant part of the united states in 18 months. there is just no doubt about that. and that is why these seats matter so much. somebody has the last word and here it's the supreme court and roe v. wade is doomed. it is gone because donald trump won the election. >> jeffrey, i remember when you said that. it was a little bit more than 18 months but it did happen. >> it did happen. i was thinking -- john will know these dates. may 17th, 1954, january 22nd, 1973 roe versus wade. we'll remember today because
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it's equally significant. we cover the news every day but only a hand full of days that we cover are truly historic and today is one, and it's a very different kind of history because the other landmarks in supreme court history are about expanding rights of one kind or another and this is the first time in history that the court has overturned a precedent that contracts rights. rights that have been part of american life for 50 years, and i don't know what is going to happen. i don't know how the country is going to react and, you know, it's -- we're going to see because it's a very -- it's a very big deal and it's a very big change for american women that had different rights from 9:00 this morning. >> the makeup of the court changed tremendously. the president lost the popular vote and got to install three
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judges all in their 50s. today's opinion is because of that major shift. >> consider how lucky donald trump was on timing, he got three appointees in just a single term the of course, the first one neil gorsuch was because president obama blocked merrick garland to the scalia seat but to get three appoints in a single team is a big deal when you think how his predecessors barack obama and bill clinton, democrats served two terms each and only got two appointees. jimmy carter served for four years and got not a single one. donald trump had a disproportionate affect on this court and the republicans he chose are not like republicans from even just ten years ago, ten, 15 years ago compare these three appointees, brett kavanaugh, amy coney barrett and neil gorsuch to sandra day
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o'connor, anthony kennedy and warren burger who president nixon appointed as chief justice voted for roe v. wade. so many republican appointees voted for roe and these three came on and were chosen in part, don, because they would vote to overturn -- >> and lied and said they wouldn't. go on. >> an important point how the difference in the republican party is profound. roe v. wade was 1973. the casey decision, the famous casey decision that reaffirmed roe v. wade 1992 a 5-2 decision. all five justices in the majority were republican appointees. think of that. roe v. wade was saved in 1992 by a five justice majority where all five justices were appointed by republican presidents. totally inconceivable today. >> yeah. >> this decision today was six justices appointed by are you
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-- republicans. who wanted to uphold the mississippi law. roberts didn't want to overturn roe but wanted to uphold the law and the appointees in descent dissent. and that's where the country is now. i mean, we have one proaborlgs rights party and one anti abortion rights party and that's just how it's going to be for the foreseeable future. >> that's not where the majority of americans are. this is from tom nickles called "they really did it" republicans used to hate activist judges. i remember the high minded speeches that despised using courts for the legislature. today those same republicans have no hope of persuading a majority of their fellow americans to accept they are views so they're more than happy to abuse the rules of the senate and prop up the obvious lies of supreme court nominees to get what they want. is that what happened here? >> i think it's part of the larger evolution of the republican party. look what the united states
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senate, the united states senate used to have a dozen moderate republicans, stafford in vermont. they're all gone. the only republican arguably moderate republican in the senate is susan collins. the one person in the world that believed brett kavanaugh -- >> very concerned. >> and now, now, she's disappointed. she is disappointed because brett kavanaugh turned out to vote the totally obvious way he was going to vote but she apparently was the one person in america thought brett kavanaugh would not vote to overturn roe versus wade. >> you talked to republicans. i laugh republicans say but you know lincoln and republicans freed the slaves. that party no longer exists. >> well -- >> right? >> that was a long time ago. >> that party no longer exists and they're so unpopular. what republicans have put forth
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are putting forth so unpopular they have to manipulate the system in order to implement what they want. >> well, think about what is happening just this week. you had abortion rights ended and unpopular position. earlier this week, gun control essentially declared unconstitutional also unpopular position. next week, they are going to issue an opinion very likely to cripple the ability of the federal government to fight climate change. all unpopular positions but we've never had a situation they defy decisions. public opinion in case after case. maybe it doesn't matter but it's they don't have to fight reelection. just an unprecedented situation with the court. >> let's talk about the popularity or unpopularity of this. take a look at this poll, one in four americans have a great deal
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or quite a lot of confidence in the supreme court. what happens when american people lose faith in this institution? >> you know, all they have, don, is their institutional integrity. whatever spreads are left in the american public. a lot of americans should be concerned about the integrity and the institutional mindedness of the court and that's something that john roberts certainly has been worried about. you could hardly hear him give a speech when they were out and about. they didn't talk about how the nine justices are not just politicians in robes, you shouldn't identify them by their presidential party, please judge them by rulings, not by who appointed them. well, you judge the supreme court by today's ruling and you really understand this court and i think that's why john roberts didn't go with the majority.
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he said he'd uphold the mississippi law but says now is not the time to reconsider roe because you asked the question about activist judges. the supreme court wasn't asked when it accepted this case to overturn roe. mississippi officials came to the court and said look at the 15-week ban, see if it violates roe and dictate government shouldn't interfere with a woman's choice to have an abortion before viability, which is at about 23 weeks when the fetus can live out same the womb and this was a 15-week ban. that's all this case started out to be but here samuel alito and four justices on the right took it further four months a i go before amy coney barrett was elected took it farther than we would have imagined to overturn roe.
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john roberts says judge us by our rulings, this brought the people to the streets. >> and judge us by our rulings, six republicans, you know, against abortion rights, three democrats. the cross voting in major cases is disappearing at the supreme court just as it is in the rest of american political life. >> joan, can you talk more, i want you to dig into something, you talked about justice roberts. does today crystallize the fact today this court is no longer the roberts court? is that what he wanted to happen? >> let me give you a caveat, don. when you talk about racial remedies and voting rights and campaign finance and guns, john roberts is smack in the middle of the court and driving the agenda. he's getting plenty of what he wants but there is no doubt on abortion rights the biggest
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decision he was not part of that. he tried to stop it for now. he doesn't control in this area and it's a really important area and an area that will define the court that's dubbed the roberts court. i can't think of any other decision that will first of all in his 17 terms that rises to this level and probably in the next 17, 27 years whatever he might serve that will equal this. so it is very defining but i do want to say for people who think he's lost control, there is so much more to come that he will be part of and as i say, you know, think of especially voting rights where he's been driving that and the other thing we have decisions that are coming, beginning on monday for next week and one of them involves a football coach that wanted to pray on the 50 yard line after a game. john roberts has been behind
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many of the court's rulings that have merged church and state and just last week, wrote the opinion for a six justice majority to allow more public funding at religious schools. he still has control but on this big one, this one most americans know about above anything else, he lost. >> right, no one knows more about john roberts than joan does and it is important that he not be portrayed as some sort of moderate, the next coming of anthony kennedy or sandra day o'connor as joan said, in virtually every area of the law except abortion, he is either part of or the leader of the conservative side of the court. >> all right. thank you both. thank you, joan. thank you, jeffrey. >> thanks, don. clarence thomas writing that he wants to reconsider grizwald, lawrence, that's the case where the supreme court ruled same-sex couples had the constitutional right to marry. the lead plaintiff in the case joins me next.
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in today's landmark decision from the supreme court overturning roe v. wade, justice clarence thomas said quote in future cases we should consider all of this court's substantive due process precedents include grizwald, lawrence and obergefell, marriage equality and access to contraception. joining me is obergefell. thanks for joining us. wish it was different circumstances. when it comes to what could happen. are you worried tonight the right you fought so hard for and earn aed for so many other americans could be taken away the way rights were granted, the way rights were taken away fm roe v. wade? >> i am very worried, don. you know, let's be clear, though, today is a very dark day for women in this nation to be able to control their own
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bodies, but in that concurring opinion, the rational or statements justice thomas makes makes me very concerned for the future of lgbtq plus equality and women's rights. contraception could become illegal. the ability for couples to engage in intimate relations in the privacy of their homes is at risk with lawrence and the ability to marry the person we love and have those marriages and families respected and protected at risk. i'm very worried what the future holds for civil rights in this nation. >> what do you say to people? i heard it all day today. that will never happen. they're never going to take away same-sex marriage or challenge same sex relationships. what do you say to that? >> i say people said abortion rights would never be taken away and look what happened today. if you look at that decision
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that concurring opinion by thomas, he's given opponents of marriage equality the green light to come after marriage equality to come after our ability to be with the person we love in the privacy of our homes. we should be worried and if you're not, you're not paying attention in my opinion. >> let me give you this poll real quick and ask you this question. a recent gallop poll, 71% of americans support same-sex marriage and 66% support the right to abortion. the court is not supposed to be holding to public opinion but what does it mean the court is so at odds with public opinion? >> i remember when my case was going through the courts. the sixth circuit court of appeals said we're in the wrong place and didn't belong in a courtroom. we belonged in the court of public opinion. well, we are in the court of public opinion and the public is in support of marriage equality. the public is in support of a
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woman's right to control her body and it's time for the supreme court to be in the present and think about the future. not to be stuck in the past. not to drag us as a nation back to the past to say we can only interpret our governing document based on the time it was written. that's over 200 years ago. that is not the way this nation grows and becomes a more perfect union. so everyone should be concerned and public opinion is important and this court is clearly ignoring it. >> you were saying people aren't concerned, they're not paying attention and i feel a lot of people weren't paying attention for a long time, still aren't, maybe this is a wakeup call for them but there were calls, jim, for democrats in congress to codify abortion protection so a decision like today could have been avoided. do you think same-sex marriage needs to be written into law?
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>> absolutely. i think the rights that we enjoy and that we are now at serious risk of losing, we need to codify those into law. we need to protect those rights we have come to enjoy. we need to protect the rights that the court has previously affirmed. it is a terrible day in our nation for the highest court to take back a right and when one right is taken back, every other right is at risk. so yes, we should be doing everything we could, we can to codify these rights into law. >> yeah. last week and i wanted to talk to you about this, about what happened last week or last weekend and then this happened. we saw the texas gop adopt a platform that included a section calling homosexuality an abnormal lifestyle choice. are you worried that we are moving backwards even beyond the '50s when it comes to lgbtq rights?
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>> oh, i absolutely am and, you know, even when we won the rigig to marry in 2015, we haven't enjoyed marriage equality. and you can see the terrible attacks on the transgender community over the past several years. don't say gay bills as if acknowledging the existence of gay people causes problems. we are here. we have always been here. and my fear is that the gop, the extreme parts of the gpo, they don't want to take us back to the 1950s. they want to take our nation back to the 1850s. we should be concerned because our rights, every bit of progress we've made as a nation in civil rights is at risk. >> listen, it's pride weekend here in new york city. sunday is a big day and everybody says happy pride. be aware, this pride we should make people aware of what could happen and make sure they're motivated to make sure it doesn't happen. jim, pleasure.
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down roe v. wade and the impact for millions of women is immediate. several states have trigger laws on the books now meaning abortions are banned starting today or within the next 30 days and more states are likely to ban abortions in the coming days. cnn alexandria field has the details. >> reporter: after nearly 50 years, the change came to some states in mere minutes or a matter of hours. >> as of this morning, abortions performed in oklahoma or solicited in oklahoma are illegal. >> reporter: at least nine statesfectively banning abortion on the very day of the supreme court's seismic decision, kentucky, louisiana, oklahoma, south dakota, missouri, arkansas, alabama, wisconsin and ohio all places where abortion is now illegal. >> i'm proud to announce as chief legal officer for the state of arkansas that the united states supreme court has
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in fact over ruled roe versus wade and planned parenthood versus casey. there by restoring the state of arkansas the authority to prohibit abortions. >> reporter: planned parenthood in little rock says it cancelled as many as 100 appointments for patients seeking abortions in the hours after the news broke. the course decision celebrated as a triumph by republican state leaders. >> i'm humbled to be part of this. the first attorney general in the country to effectively end abortion. >> reporter: while a democratic congresswoman from st. louis is brought to tears. the state's last remaining abortion clinic can't perform abortions anymore. >> we notified the missouri department of health and senior services that we are seizing abortions in the state of missouri. the day we've been warning about for years has arrived. today and all of the days that
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led to the overturning of roe should be enstained in our history for which we must learn and do better. >> reporter: six of the nine states banning abortion immediately so-call had trigger laws on the books before the decisions came down, laws that could be implemented quickly. to end access to abortions. in some states, that's even in cases of rape or incest and even when the life of the mother is at risk. trigger laws in seven more states will bring near or total bans of abortion in the coming weeks. >> today is the worst time we told you so moment of my entire career. i'm angry. i'm angry for every patient that has no other choice but to flee their home state for abortion care. >> reporter: the list of states where you can't get an abortion anymore expected to grow and quickly even in states without trigger laws. a federal judge in alabama granting an emergency order allowing the state to implement it's ban immediately. an ohio judge now also allowing
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the state to implement its abortion ban while indiana's governor is calling for a return of the general assembly to pass a new anti abortion law. and don, the number of states that have banned abortion in just one single day now climbs to ten. utah is the latest to announce their trigger law has taken effect. back here in missouri at what was the last single provider of abortion in the state, hundreds and hundreds of people have turned out to demonstrate against the state's ban. it means that more patients were seeking abortion care services are likely to look at the possibility of traveling into illinois. don? >> alexandria field, thank you so much. joining me now, democratic governor of wisconsin. governor, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thanks so much, don. thanks for having me here. >> wisconsin's abortion ban from 1849 was invalidated by roe v. wade but since it's still on the books, it goes back into effect after today's ruling.
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does that mean abortion is illegal in wisconsin now? >> absolutely. as of this moment, as soon as the supreme court made their decision released today, women were made second class citizens in the state of wisconsin and goes back to an 1849 law that's been on the books since the first law after our state became a state. >> let me tell you what the law says. any person other than the mother who intentionally destroys the life of an unborn child is guilty of a felony which is punishable by up to six years in prison and/or $10,000 fine. your state's attorney general says he will not enforce the law but will local prosecutors arrest women that get abortions, governor? >> they have that ability at this point in time and i know there's been a couple d.a.'s across the state of wisconsin that headed down that direction
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to not do that but 72 counties and that leaves 70 counties that are with women that live there falling into the risk of the unbeliveable stringent and horrible law. >> what are women in your states supposed to do now if they want or need an abortion for reasons of choice or for medical reasons? >> they will have to go out of state in illinois and we've been anticipating this looking for ways to have people to go across our borders but honest to god, that's not the answer. that's one of the answers. we hope we work our tails off to make sure this law does not impact half of the state to have second class citizens in wisconsin isn't right. we'll work hard to make sure we
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stop this from happening. >> governor, a few days ago the republican state legislature closed a special session you called refusing to appeal the 1849 law. do you expect republicans to insist on the enforcement of the law or take that issue to the courts? >> absolutely they will. absolutely. what is so sad, any polling on this, 60 to 70% of wisconsin supported roe v. wade. it's been 50 years of having those rights for women in our state and it's gone. of course they will. they gavelled in and out and will continue that effort. no question. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you, don. >> longer stone back in the hot seat the january 6th committee and the doj seeking footage from a documentary film on stone. what are they looking for, next. program. n if you're age 50 to 85,
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the january 6th committee appears to be taking a closer look at the activity of trump ally roger stone i should say in the weeks after the 2020 election. washington post reporting the committee and the justice department are seeking 170 hours of video shot for an upcoming documentary on stone. the material recorded by a danish film maker is said to include stone's activities on
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the day of the capitol insurrection. joining me is elliott williams. good evening to you. i had a guest on that said they believe that roger stone had a lot to do with what was -- interesting. now we have this. elliott, hi. >> hey. happy friday. >> i was in my own little world. wait a minute, elliott is here. let me talk to him. this shows a member of the far right oath keepers suite at the willard hotel hours before the riot and stone said to be messaging with leaders in far right groups. how important could this be for the january 6th investigation? >> big picture why are fbi agents and both copehagen and washington d.c. getting involved in this matter if there isn't something, at least a little smoke if not fire. look, there is a number of things you can find out. number one, what happens at the willard hotel, a number of meetings in the runup to january 6th and frankly, in and out of
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roger stone's room and an open question there. two, why is he having encrypted text messages, not just text message s through a telephone but the planners of the far right groups. look, certainly, don, a lot of people use signal or what's app or whatever else and not by itself on its face evidence of a crime but also a way to conceal your tracks. so at a minimum, it's worth asking some questions about what they might have found there. >> the post says that film makers reconsidered stone developing a proposal for trump to pardon high profile allies for attempting to keep him in power and we learned yesterday of six lawmakers who wanted pardons from the white house. this footage could reveal a lot about that, no? >> absolutely. and look, at a minimum, people don't request pardons unless they think they might have done something unlawful. it's not something you just ask to pardon me and just throughout conversation. it's tied to criminal activity.
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so certainly, they think they might have had at least some criminal exposure. at a minimum, it's finding out who asked for them. did they think they committed some crime? did they misunderstand what pardons were or whatever else? there may be direct conversations there. it's worth asking the question. >> the director of the documentary declined requests to hand material over to the committee. he has not been subpoenaed but how hard should investigators pursue this footage? >> it's a little sensitive, don. look, he's a journalist. he's a person creating journal materials. it is a gray area when you talk about seizing materials of people creating work. he might have sources he wishes to protect as any journalist might want to. if you notice they asked him for the materials and didn't -- "the washington post" article talks about this. they didn't automatically go and issue a subpoena. that's probably a good thing for free speech. at the end of the day, they'll probably come to some kind of
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agreement over the materials or just maybe after the documentary is released he might turn them over. >> stone said this, any claim, assertion or implication i knew about was involved in or condoned any illegal event on january 6th or date is categorically false. he's refused to give testimony and evidence to the committee. does that tell you anything? >> yeah, look, if he's really got nothing to hide, come in and say that. don, at the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with planning rallies even if your rallies are based on conspiracy theories and nonsense. that's okay. there is something wrong with planning violence and coordinating violence and particularly with far right groups so figuring out where that line is an important one for both the committee or law enforcement to do and roger stone can answer questions about that. look, if he's done nothing, have at it. the committee congress can't prosecute you so go on and talk to them. >> all right. elliott. thank you, sir. >> happy friday, don.
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a breakthrough in gun reform legislation. the house passing a bipartisan bill aimed at stemming the rise in gun violence. the first gun safety legislation in nearly 30 years. it passed the senate late-last night. now, white house saying that president biden will sign the bill into law tomorrow. senate congressional correspondent jessica dean is on
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capitol hill tonight. jessica, very busy day in washington today. this development happening. what ultimately made it into this bill? >> well, don, this is so significant. as you have mentioned, this is decades in the making. it has opinion a log jam here on capitol hill, not able to get any gun safety legislation through either of the chambers so this passing through the house, now headed to president biden's desk, is incredibly significant. so some of the things that are going to be in there. $750 million for crisis-intervention programs across the country. and that includes things, like incentivizing red-flag laws in some states across the country are they don't currently have them right no you. it is also going to close the portfolio boyfriend loophole and what that means is no one who is convicted of domestic violence will be able to get their hands on a gun and for years, they haven't been able to find a solution to that. so they are able to find a solution there. it is going to expand background checks and enhance them for 18 to 21-year-olds, that very
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particular group that those youngest gun buyers, especially when it is considering these school shootings and who the suspects, who the shooters are in those situations, those 18 to 21-year-olds. they are also going to incentivize states to put those juvenile records into a national database so that can be checked as younger buyers are looking to buy guns. additionally, they are going to have more people registering to become licensed firearm dealers. and they are also going to, um, continue to -- or they are going to put a ban in place on straw purchases and gun trafficking. don, a lot of people probably thought that already existed. it doesn't and that will make a difference, as well, as well as millions of dollars in mental health. >> right. so, jessica, house gop leadership actively campaigned against this. did we see any house republicans defy leadership? >> 14 republicans defied leadership on this and of course, house minority leader kevin mccarthy coming out not only against this, encouraging a no vote.
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and we did see these 14 republican members of the house, including adam kinzinger, liz cheney, a lot of familiar names at this point. also, congressman tony gonzales, who of course represents uvalde, his home district. also, bucking leadership and voting for this and it mirrors somewhat what we saw in the senate, where we saw 15 republican senators, including mitch mcconnell joining democrat -- their democratic colleagues in pushing this forward. and, don, it is worth noting the difference in leadership here. on the senate side, mcconnell not only voting for this but really having a hand in it. deputizing john cornyn to go into negotiations on the senate side. on the house side, you see kevin mccarthy and his leadership team coming out hard voting no. so really, you do see the divide within the republican party. >> jessica dean, jessica, thank you very much. thanks for watching, everyone. our coverage continues. and looking to buy life insurance
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