this is cdon lemon tonight. what a day. it's so much worse than we thought. now think about that for a minute. it was worse than what we saw with our own eyes and heard with

our ears. we heard the shocking details of all the behavior of the president of the united states on january 6 and we heard from cassidy hutchinson. she's a 26-year-old former top aid to then white house chief of staff mark meadows. i'll play a lot of what she had to stay right now. i think it's important. if you didn't see it or think someone should see it, call them and let them know. we're playing it for you. it's important for the country to see. the world to see. listen to every word she had to say. because it's like nothing we have ever heard before about an american president insisting on joining his supporters headed to the capitol, supporters by the way armed with knives, guns, spears, and flag poles. >> i think the last time we talked you mentioned that some of the weapons that people had at the rally included flag poles, oversized sticks or flag

poles. bear spray. is there anything else you recall hearing about that the people who gathered had? >> i recall tony and i having a conversation with mark, probably around 10:00 a.m. 10:15 a.m. where i remember tony mentioning knives, guns, in the form of pistols and rifles. bear spray, body armor, spears and flag poles. spears were an item and flag poles were an i team. and fastening spears onto the end of flag poles. >> this was a president who knew the danger. he knew the supporters were armed. he wanted people coming in with weapons saying that he wanted the mags taken away because he knew his supporters weren't there to hurt him. and because he was afraid the crowd would be smaller if they had to go through metal detecters.

>> the president apparently wanted all the attendees inside the official rally space and repeatedly said quote they're not here to hurt me. and just to be clear, so he was told again in that conversation or was he told again in the conversation that people couldn't come through the mags because they had weapons. >> correct. >> and that people -- his response was to say they can march to the capitol from the ellipse. >> something about take the f'ing mags away. they're not here to hurt me. let me people in. they can march from the ellipse. take the mags away. then they can march to the capitol. >> just to be clear, did you hear what the then president said? they're not here to hurt me.

so ask yourself this question, if he was sho sure about who they were there to hurt, why was he sho sure about that? she also detailed what she says then deputy white house chief of staff told her happened in the presidential limousine on january 6. when, donald trump was told by security that he couldn't go to the capitol because it wasn't safe. testifying under oath, she was told the president of the united states flew into a rage and tried to take the wheel of the limo. lu lunging at a secret service agent. >> he says i'm the president, take me to the capitol now. he responded sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. angle grabbed his arm said sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing.

we're not going to the capitol. mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards angle and when arnado recounted the story to me he motioned towards his clavicles. >> was mr. angle in the room as mr. arnado told you this story? >> he was. >> did mr. angle correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. arnado? >> he did not. correct or disagree with the story. >> did they ever after that tell you what he said was untrue? >> neither told me ever it was untrue. >> we have news that is just in. a secret service official is telling cnn that tony arnado the then deputy white house chief of staff is denying telling cassidy hutchinson that the then president grabbed the steering wheel or an agent on his detail. we'll have more to come on that.

make sure you stay tuned. but, on the morning of january 6, cassidy hutchinson spoke to the then white house council pat cipollone. listen. >> and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with? >> in the days leading up to the sixth, we had conversations about potentially obstructing justice or defrauding the electoral count. >> telling cnn the committee will seriously consider inviting cipollone for what he calls a transcribed interview. there are plenty of people who know what happened in the trump white house. who are simply just ant aren't

talking. liz cheney suggesting the committee has evidence of witness tampering. saying one unidentified witness has told them this. >> quote, what they said to me is as long as i continue to be a team player, they know i'm on the right team. i'm doing the right thing. i'm protecting who i need to protect. you know i'll continue to stay in good graces in trump world. and they reminded me a couple of times that trump does read transcripts. >> here to talk about all this, cnn dana bash. chief political correspondent. andrew mccabe former fbi deputy director. senior legal analyst. alice stewart and david axle rod. we have it all covered for you. i'll start with you, to put this into perspective for us. cassidy hutchinson hearing how trump lunged at the secret

service because the agent refused to take him to the capitol after the speech on january 6. the portrait of violence and rage she painted it was devastating testimony. she painted that a picture of a president out of control. >> she definitely did. that particular story was as you described it, it was a president out of control. it was secondhand information. she admitted that. and as you said in the intro-that is being disputed by the people she says told her the story. and say they would say so under oath. that is because that was so dramatic, it's understandably one that we are remembering and talking about. however, there's so much that she testified to today that she witnessed firsthand. conversations that she had that she was involved in. like the one you were talking about with the then white house

counsel pat cipollone. very worried about breaking a number of laws. in this case it was because the president wanted to physically go to the capitol. but there were again a lot of primary conversations that she said that she had testified under oath that are incredibly alarming and potentially criminal. >> we're waiting to see more or hear more about arnado and those who are disputing what she said. she was under oath and the rest is yet to come. andrew mccabe, in april interview with the "washington post" trump admitted that he wanted to got capitol with supporters saying secret service said i couldn't go. i would have gone there in a minute. or he's already admitted the secret service kept him from going there, correct? >> correct. we now know from the testimony it's not just that we know that trump wanted to go and know that almost everyone around him knew he wanted to go.

on january 2 rudy giuliani told cassidy hutchinson that trump wanted to go. cipollone told cassidy hutchinson on january 3 i believe that trump wanted to go. kevin mccarthy called cassidy hutchinson on the sixth and argued with her about you told me he wouldn't come. that had been a topic between the two of them. then, on the 6th, this entire senior officials, people the white house council himself is relying on this 24-year-old staffer to prevent the president of the united states from accompanying an armed mob assault on the capitol. it's unbelievable to me that of the entire group of people, this entire thing came down to cassidy hutchinson ability to stop the president. it's insane. >> what about his vice president, how his total disregard for the vp safety and

hutchinson testified she heard meadows tell cipollone he didn't care about the hang pence chants. he think he deserved it. no remorse, no concern. >> that's an example of what i was referring to about the actual conversations that she had with these incredibly senior people. who were part of this drama. and this case, it was more of a nightmare. when you think about the president of the united states making incredibly clear to his chief of staff and his white house council that he just didn't care. he was so angry and aggravated about the fact that mike pence wouldn't break the law for him. that when it came to the actual safety of mike pence, he said these things or made it clear to the people that cassidy hutchinson was talking about.

again, we have gotten these accounts sort of more in and around these events. this is the closest we have gotten. everybody has wanted to know what was the president doing at that time. in those moments. and we have had people describing it kind of from the outer circle. she was in the innermost circle. >> yeah. if you take -- i felt like i was watching a movie. is this good fellas? what is going on here listening to this. if you take one of these, there were multiple things that we learned. if you take one of them, the disputing what happened supposedly happened in the beast in the suv or whatever. fine. even without that, it's still frightening. especially knowing that there were armed people there. at one point the committee played police radio audio talking about the armed trump supporters. here's part of it.

>> make sure knows they have an elevated threat in the trees outside constitution avenue. american flag face mask, cowboy boots. weapon on the right side hip. >> three men walking down the scene. carrying ar 15s. >> so, we have been hearing from trump ally, trump supporters, conservative media. nobody was armed and the flag poles, didn't have guns. they had guns. i interviewed the capitol police and the d.c. police officer and others, they said yeah people were armed. now, there's absolute proof people were armed. the entire situation was a tinderbox. >> undeniable proof. as a law enforcement officer spent many, many hours of my life sitting in cars listening to radio traffic, to hear that

metro police department radio traffic which is essentially like the results of surveillance. here's what we're seeing on the ground. this is not like antitrump political opponents or something. this is just law enforcement officers reporting what they're seeing. they are seeing people with ar 15s showing up at a rally where the president is about to speak. this is -- it was absolutely stunning and terrifying to me to hear that. and then to understand that knowing that that's what composed this crowd, the president of the united states demand the mags be removed. that the people being embraced and he openly exhorted them, encouraged them to assault the capitol. that to me in a day of block busters, that was the most significant revelation that we heard today. it was the president's knowledge that the crowd was armed and

essentially sent them to the capitol for that purpose. >> it was a violence for me. what about you? >> not just sent them but according to the testimony of cassidy hutchinson, made is not surprisingly about him. they're not going to hurt me. he was the president and he was used to the is e credit service being around to protect him. total disregard for the notion of people with arms and people who were completely fired up and angry because he got them to that point. it was all about him. and what andy is suggesting is ten steps further i think. which is yeah, of course he was worried about that or focused about that because he got the result he wanted and maybe, maybe, he wanted to be there.

he was in such a state of mind and such a rage about the fact that he was about to be certified the loser, not the president in a second term, that he actually wanted to be with the people who he was told was armed. and were extremely angry and headed towards the capitol. >> he said he wanted to be there. i would have been there in a second. thank you. i appreciate it. i want to know why ellie says, the whole group here, we'll get into this. don't miss this conversation. why she says today's testimony was game changing. >> mark looked up and said he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly had said this to mark, something to the effect of mark, something needs to be done or people are

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the explosive testimony of kas hu cassidy hutchinson a former aid to mark meadows. painting a picture of angry president lashing out as he attempted to hang onto power. with me now david axelrod. this was crazy. i was watching it today literally. i'm not kidding with popcorn. i couldn't believe that it had gotten to this point. you said that today the testimony said it was game changing. what was so different about today that we have learned up until this point? >> we have the most direct, most credible link between donald trump and the violence that erupted at the capitol on january 6. let's think about the speech that donald trump gave at the ellipse. we have heard it dozens of times. we'll go down to the capitol and fight like hell or won't have a country anymore. now we know when he gave the speech he knew that crowd was armed. he knew the crowd was not there to harm him and knew he wanted

them to bring their weapons down to congress. to me that changes everything and one of the things we have been asking is will there be a link. this is direct. >> let's listen. >> we're going to walk down to the capitol. and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we'll probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them. because you'll never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength. and you have to be strong. >> david axelrod, what do you think of that? >> well, i agree with ellie. this was damming. i want to step back and take a larger perspective on this. i worked in the white house for a couple years. every time i walked in there i felt the history of that place. i felt like i was walking into the citadel of democracy. i watched that young woman

today, 26-year-old, like so many of the young people who i saw when i was in washington who came there because they believed they wanted to serve, they believed it was an important thing to do. and i was trying to process how she must have felt this ideaistic kid who worked in the white house and suddenly part of gangsterism. the defiling of democracy. and that must have been crushing. every single story she told today was chilling about what was going on in that building. i think we all suspected that. but now, we know. now we know what he was up to, what the people around him were doing and saying. and she painted a picture and i said from the beginning of this whole process that it was like game of wordle and it spells trump. now the letters are filled in. it's very clear. >> it's interesting you said

what you said. when trump first became president, the concern, i thought our democracy could handle it. that he didn't because he had such little respect for people the way he conducted himself. he wouldn't have the reverence for the institution of the white house and that was concerning. i couldn't imagine him sitting in the oval office because of -- >> i have said this many times, i think this illustrated today he does not believe in rules or laws or norms or institutions and democracy depends on those things. when you have a president of the united states, imagine what the founding fathers would have thought if they had seen or heard about a president of the united states weaponizing a crowd and sending them to the capitol to try and interrupt the peaceful transfer of power as dictated by the voters of the country. it is -- so, we're focused on

trump. we should be focused on what he did and what the potential liability is for what he did. but, we once again have to focus on how close we came to an absolute ka catastrophe in our democracy and how much democracy depends on the goodwill of people who hold high offices. >> part of what i came across today, peeling back the curtains and seeing what happened. we have all seen and heard and understood what happened out in full view. what is unprecedented and unusual display of stopping the peaceful transfer of power. what he saw today blehind the scenes the unhinged and unstable actions of someone just defying what is presidential. >> as a trump supporter how does it make you feel? >> it was unnerving. it was unusual obviously.

and as we're hearing this and seeing this, it was part gangster, it was part god father. it was part real housewives of new jersey. he's throwing food and tossing tables. and here's the thing also that i was really disturbed with, he came into office and exited office with such an obsession with crowd size. the optics of his support that he did and said things that just defy rational thinking. and to hear today that he was obsessed with the small crowd because many of his supporters were outside the mags with weapons and weren't allowed to be in. and he said, f the mags, ef that and ef this. bring them in with the weapons. because they're not out to hurt me. they will eventually walk down to the capitol and storm the capitol. that's disturbing. >> the first day in office you remember the biggest crowd size ever, period. or whatever. >> sean spicer.

>> and who made him do that? donald trump. i want to play par part of the testimony about what happened after rioters breeched the capitol and pat cipollone confronted mark meadows. >> he's on his phone and i remember pat saying to him, something to the effect of, the rioters have gotten to the capitol, we need to see the president now. and mark looked up and he doesn't want to do anything, pat. pat said something to the effect of -- very clearly had said this to mark, something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood will be on your hands. this is out of criminal i'm going down there. >> trump didn't want to do anything. what are the legal implications? >> we have heard dereliction of

duty. he sat there and did nothing during the crucial three hours. doing nothing is hard to argue it's a crime. we know he did so much more than nothing. he incited that crowd knowing that they were armed. he put aside all the things he did in the preceding weeks to pressure doj and vice president. i heard the testimony today, the bravery of what she did. the enormity. the power imbalance. the people she testified about how experienced they were in washington d.c. how much more powerful they were than her. donald trump. pat cipollone, rudy giuliani, mark meadows. none of them have talked. and this young woman, 24 years old at the time. 26 now. came forward and stood in front of the cam ras and the american people and told the truth. >> interesting. two people mark meadows, rudy giuliani, asked for pardons and cassidy hutchinson testified before a house committee. >> i feel like, today was

significant. but i feel like we keep having the same conversation over and over. many people knew. didn't we know this from the beginning? wasn't this brought up in the impeachment hearings? was the country sort of brainwashed in a way? did we sort of get used to his antics. day after day he would do something and two minutes to show time he would do something crazy and we get the change the run down. did we get used to it? i feel like we're hearing this again and we have heard this song before. >> yes. in fairness the impeachment took place after a few weeks of investigation. this was the product of ten months of investigation. a thousand interviews. they have much more information. it would have been interesting to see what happened if the kind of information that we heard today was presented at the impeachment hearings. of course it would have been contested as well. yes, we knew who he was.

but some of the stories that were told today were i think beyond what anybody imagined. let me say one more word about the young woman who testified today. it wasn't a big news moment, the story about going to the dining room on december 1 after he had read the attorney general's interview and taken his lunch and thrown it against the wall and there was the poor valet trying to get the ketchup off the wall and she said i tried to help him get the ketchup off the wall. to me this was symbolic of the whole thing. she's trying to get the stain off of that building and off of our democracy. and she deserves a great deal of credit for that. >> today she did that somewhat at least. we'll see if she continues to get the rest of the stain off. what this leads to. stick around, everyone.

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cassidy hutchinson. the former aide to the white house chief of staff delivering bomb shell testimony today about then president trump's actions on january 6. hutchinson lawyers putting out a new statement following her testimony saying in part, i quote, while she didn't seek out the attention accompanying testimony today she believes that it was her duty and responsibility to provide the

committee with her truthful and candid observations of the events surrounding january 6. i want to bring in the former homeland security and covid task force adviser to vice president pence. olivia troy. thank you so much. talk to me about cassidy hutchinson. you know her. she is being revered in some circles and reviled in others. what's your reaction to her testimony and the response to it? >> i feel like i worked closely with cassidy. she was a prominent figure in the west wing in the trump administration. she was the gate keeper to meadows. everybody who worked there or familiar with the senior circles and the administration knows she was a dedicated, loyal staffer. and she was mark meadows right hand person. and i commend her. it took incredible strength of character to stand there on the witness stand by herself doing public testimony. with the entire nation watching

you. knowing what is to come. she was inside the white house. when i couldn't go publicly. she has seen firsthand what they'll say and trash your name and disparage you and try their best to discredit you. there's no discrediting her. she worked in republican circles. this is her life and career thus far and she took a stand for our country regardless of that. regardless of personal cost to her. and i commend her. i commend her bravery and commend her ability to stand there on her own when so many others have cowered and will not do that and tell the truth about what happened. >> do you remember part of the testimony they put up -- in the beginning. put up the map she said it looks bigger on the map. it's really small. showing how close her office was and mark meadows office to the oval. and my question is, why is the former president claiming he quote hardly knows her when she has traveled with him and close

to proximity to the oval office. you know what i'm saying. why is he saying i don't know her? never met her. >> it's the typical donald trump stick. there's photographs of her around. we all worked with her. i was in the hearing today to support her h. i heard her say that i chuckled because she's correct. it's a small west wing. it may appear larger and people aren't familiar with the inside of the white house. it's a tiny space. we're sitting on top of each other. and so, i think it's par for the course he would say that. anybody who comes forward and tells truth about him he'll say i don't know this person. they're lying. they're angry or they didn't get something they wanted. that's just what he does. it's an attempt to spread disinformation and discredit someone who is a very credible witness. who is telling the truth and what i would say significantly damming. as a firsthand testimony of who this man is.

>> again, you worked in the vice president office for pence. i just want to get your thoughts on what she said about meadows reaction to rioters calls to hang pence. listen to this. >> it wasn't until mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me, i went back to my desk. a couple minutes later, him and pat came back possibly eric too. i'm sure he was there. but i'm confident it was pat that was there. i remember pat saying something to the effect of mark, we need to do something more. they're calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. mark responded something to the effect of you heard him. he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which pat said something,

this is efing crazy. we need to do something more. briefly stepped into mark's office and he said something to the effect of he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. knowing what i heard briefly in the dining room, coupled with pat discussing the hang mike pence chants in the lobby of the office and mark's response i understood their to be the rioters and the capitol. they were chanting for the vice president to be hung. >> what did you think what you heard that? >> it was astonishing. you may not agree with mike pence politics. but the the fact of the matter it's internal discussions happening in the white house. in the people's house about someone coming forward like pat cipollone. i know him. saying, the vice president of the united states' life is in

danger. th they're calling to hang him. you have it from mark meadows the chief of staff to the president of the united states, saying, donald trump is aware. doesn't want to do anything about it. that is incredible amount of dereliction of duty. which has been said. i'm a career national security person who is served this country. for almost 20 years. and i never thought i would see the day where there would be a president of the united states giving fair pass to the fact that his own vice president who is very loyal to him, extremely loyal until the end, life is in danger and doesn't care. won't do anything about it. >> olivia troy. pleasure to have you on. thank you so much. i appreciate it. did today's testimony reveal any criminal liability from members of the trump white house?

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okay so there was stunning testimony today from cassidy hutchinson who was an aide to then white house chief of staff mark meadows. but is there evidence, is there evidence of criminal liability? that's the question. let's talk about it. ellie is here, alice stewart and david axelrod. we talked about white house counsel pat cipollone. telling cassidy hutchinson that if anyone helped trump get to the capitol they would be charged with every crime imaginable. trump didn't go to the capitol and you know what happened in the car and what have you. they wouldn't get him there and that's to be determined. she's saying lunged for the guy and all that stuff. take me, i'm the president. do you think the trump white

house has criminal liability over what happened on january 6. >> i agree with pat cipollone. we're in the middle of a crime spree. the direct link knowing the crowd was armed. and intent. remember early on the big question the big point of dispute was, did donald trump know what the crowd was going to do? did he want them to remain peaceful or go into the capitol angry. is there really any question about that anymore? pat cipollone nailed the crime i'm looking at conspiracy to defraud the united states. attempt to obstruct the proceedings. and sedition conspiracy. this is a game changing day. >> the question is what is the doj or if they'll do anything. >> the big question is has doj interviewed cassidy hutchinson? we don't know the answer to that. jamie was asked that earlier on air. he said he doesn't know. if doj hasn't interviewed her yet, shame on them. they ought to do it as soon as possible. >> of course you are the legal

expert. the final cliff hanger of the testimony today, liz cheney putting out there the potential for witness tampering. reading texts and messages from people that say, we know you are a team player. we know that you know the former president reads the testimony. there potentially could be claims for witness tampering. if that proves to be true. >> do you want to hear it? let's hear it. >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses. quote, a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow. he wants me to let you know he's thinking about you. he knows you are loyal. and you're going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> tampering or to me that's influencing. >> yeah. all i can think of is the scene in the god father where the guy was the government witness and they got to him and he shows up

at the -- a senate hearing. and completely denies everything that he said. previously. it was really gangsterish. that'sth only way to refer to it. i want to make a point about the flap whether he lunged about the secret service guy. in the limo. no one disputed -- it's interesting. nobody disputes that he angrily wanted to be taken to the capitol. the real issue is -- that was the dramatic flourish and it will find out what the facts were best we can. no one is disputing the fact that he wanted to go down with the mob to the capitol and be a part of what was going on down there. >> what is the take away for the supporters and allies of the

president? even conservative media today were like -- wow. that's a lot. >> that's the shocking part. they actually acknowledged that. i have spoken with republicans me members of the house and senate. they look at this as a witch hunt from democrats. they call it several called it a kangaroo court. they call it a political prosecution. they say that liz cheney should be the last person asking questions and they wish that there was a trump ally on the committee. to put a lot of the evidence into context. at the end of the day, when you hear this evidence and hear this testimony, it's damming. there's no amount of lipstick you can put on it.

nominated there. so we shouldn't underestimate the loyalty it may have been shaking among some. i don't know monk mouse. the real question is, does it

translate into yes, we would like him to run for president again and i think this may have some impact on how people view him moving forward. i think people are tired of the 2020 stuff and they may want to move forward. the second thing is, on this issue, this is not just a legal issue what the justice department does. there is no parallel here, if the justice department indicts the president of the united states who is the preceding president, there are consequences to that the have to be considered including how all those people out there with guns and knives and all of that, how do they process this? this is a really really complex situation. i think what donald trump did was despicable and i'm not a lawyer, but i think it sure

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