thank you for hang out with me the don lemon is on tonight. >> thanks, sara. have good night. this is big. the january 6 committee subpoenas pat cipolline. the witness talked about him. every one has been talking about that. he is the former president's white house counsel. a key witness to what was going on inside the white house the days before. we have been trying to get limb

to answer more questions after previously sitting for an interview behind closed doors. that was this april. the committee saying it's continued to obtain evidence that he's uniquely positioned to testify but he has declined to cooperate. further leaving the panel with no choice but to issue the sub subpoena. we have heard some of what the evidence was for ourselves . sglb i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of, the rye ioters have gotten to t capitol. mark looked up and said he doesn't want to do anything pat.

pat said something to the effect of and very clearly, said this to mark, something to the effect of, mark something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood will be on your eff'ing hands. this is getting out of control. i'm going down there. >> i remember saying that letter this guy wants to send that letter is a murder/suicide pact. it will damage every one that touches it. we should have nothing to do with that letter. >> pat said he intervened when he heard mr. clark was meeting with the president about legal matters without his knowledge. >> lawyer is telling cnn he will probably agree to a tran scribed interview but limited to specific topics to avoid

privileged issues. i want you to listen to this. this is just moments ago. this is liz cheney. she's speaking at the reagan library. watch. >> we have to choose because republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. >> she said it out loud. now a republican party that's knuckled under to the former president over and over even nearly 18 months after he left washington in disgrace is quietly, privately acknowledging what we have all seen and heard for ourselves.

let's get straight to denver. she an add vierz and a former u.s. congressman. thank you both. i should probably put on my glasses so i can read this evening. thank you very much for joining. a source is telling cnn, explain what i said here that it might be agree to a limited tran sc -- transcribed interview. something about discussing direct conversation with the president and that it would avoid specific topics of privilege issues. you were saying what does that mean. >> you could read my body language there. they are trying to reach a negotiated resolution where they ask him some questions but not

others. if they are going to say you don't have to answer anything that might involve executive privilege, that means they will not ask him about what conversations did you have with donald trump. to me, that's the whole ball of wax. if you're giving that away, you're dangs around the most important question of all and let's remember, yesterday khe said to me we're committing every crime in the book, obstr obstruction, fraud. did you say that to donald trump? that's a big deal. >> the conversations he had with others even cassidy hutchson or mark meadows, are they privileged as well. >> no. >> why are his privileged? >> it involves the president. pat talking with other white house staffers, that's not going to be privileged. that's important to get.

you want to ask limb about conversations he may have had to corroborate what she said and against what he said. >> the thinking may be let's get something. it's better than nothing. it's still important for us to hear about the conversations with mark meadows with others but, again, the cost for them doing that may be giving up his conversations. >> all right. i haven't forgotten, what is the difference. this is agreed to a transcribed interview. your team help to sift through the data come sboog this committee. how important could this testimony be? >> i think it could be very important. i do not have the brilliant legal mind of ellie but i want

to know is the couch privileged information. meadows is sitting on the couch texting. if the couch isn't privileged and meadows isn't privileged, that's what i want to know. i'm interested to see what he has to say about the communications going on with meadows and the fact is the testimony was so strong, i want to see what cipollone has the say about it. she really was the adult in the room. the things she was saying struck a chord with the american people. it showed behind the saens and just where the mind set of where donald trump. i think a lot of us have known this for a while but finally see that in the hearing was very important to me. >> during cassidy's testimony, she was countdown what mark meadows was doing starting around the 2:00 p.m. hour and she described mark meadows as not really caring about what was going on. scrolling on his phone.

cnn has some of the texts he was getting at time from marjorie taylor greene, donald trump junior urging him to do something. the committee has gathered all this information. how does it all fit together? >> oh, my goodness. i'm only going to talk about the publicly released texts. i think there's over 50 between 2:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. when you look at what's on that phone, you have to beginnings of the antifa false flag theory. it was on there starting with jason miller. it's a very important time. as he is scrolling on the couch, this is couch gate. i want know what's going on there because i've seen a lot of those communications. just looking at it publicly, what cnn has is pretty damning.

that's why it's so important to know state of mind of those individuals. if they didn't care or just there relaxing in their ivory tower while people are getting hurt and killed and beat on the ground, i think that goes to a dereliction of duty. people talking about criminal charges and the actual legal side of this, just the judgment and the complete dir dereliction of your oath. there's over 50 texts between that time in the time he could have been sitting on the couch, you have some incredible conspiracy theories in there. i think that's what the american people need to look at. go take a look at those. >> the most, i think, intriguing part was the history of the grabbing of the wheel, allegedly and people are focusing on that. really the most important part was he seem to be okay with the violence. he seemed to be okay with people who were maybe had weapons coming in to the capital, coming into the area.

that is the really important part. the rest is just oh, my gosh. can't believe this. some of what we is true about the ketchup and whatever. those aren't the important parts here. >> no. to those, that's interesting color. i'm not going to say this in a bad way, i just don't care about that as a data guy. i want to look at timeline of when president trump when he talked about mags, disabling the mags and removing them. i want to talk about a person who said had somebody brief him and there's weapons in the crowd and didn't care. for me, i want to know the timeline of when he was talking about those type of things when it came to the crowd, him being protected and getting rid of the mags and understanding that people are armed. those are things that i'm really

interested in. >> i got a question for you unless you want to weigh in. i think the most important things are the facts. >> the committee teased that they had evidence of witness tampering. they were taking it seriously and will consider next steps. that's a quote. is she hinting at a criminal referral here. >> next should be to send the information to a courier up to the u.s. justice department. chose snippets is witness tampering. that's obstruction of justice. that's not close to the line. that is how they teach it in law school. if they can figure out who made those threats to the witnesses, that person or those people need to be charged immediately. this gets to the sintegrity of not just the committee but any potential criminal i investigations. >> what about the first hand account about trump knowing his supporters were armed and he sent them to the capitol.

if merrick garland listening to that and act? >> he better be. it's the first direct link we had from donald trump to acknowledge the crowd was armed and dangerous before he sent them down to the capitol. >> we know the committee is still getting additional evidence. they are getting calls on their tipline. do you think we will hear more from people inside the west wing who also saw what was going on? >> i hope so. i hope the people saw the example of cassidy set and want to be more like her than like the many cowards who are hiding the truth and refusing to cooperate and defiing subpoenas. as one small example of the way investigations can naturally evolve, cassidy testified yesterday. the subpoena comes today. one thing we leads to another. i hope there are those mid-level, junior level staffers will look at hutchenson and say i want to go down in history like her. >> the final two hearings are meant to focus on trump summoning the mob and directing

them to the capitol and trump failing the take immediate action to stop the violence. one question that is still out there, direct line between the oath keepers and the proud boys, what are your thoughts on that? >> that will be interesting about the hearing is we had this discussion. i'm not going to talk thabt too much. i will tell you the committee has a tremendous amount of data and information about the extremist groups. the investigative teams are incredibly good. it's going to be a red team day. those guys are professional. incredibly thorough. that's the fear, i think that people in trump world will have. when that comes out and start talking about the right wing extremist groups and talk about what happened that day, we haven't gotten to the organization and operational issues of what happened on january 6th. that still coming. don, it's great question. i can't answer that. i think the committee needs to

present the evidence and they need to let the american people take a look at that. >> you said to an earlier question you were only going to focus on what was public. there's more where that came from? >> you never know. >> so you can't talk about it. that's what you're telling me. >> my goodness. if i could run around america with those things showing it off, i would. it's the committee's. it's not mine. i think it's public data. i know they will release them at some point. let's let them do their investigation, don. i'm going to support them any way. >> thank you. next, man who was at the other end of pennsylvania avenue on january 6th when the violence was on the way. what congressman jason crow thinks is important about testimony from pat cipollone. we'll talk to him after the break. plap

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then president trump knew there were people in the crowd armed. he knew violence could come to the capitol. knew and he did nothing to stop it. i want to bring in jay con you who was there that day as the capitol was over run by rioters. i appreciate you for joining. thanks so much. hut hu hutchinson made it clear that trump knew they had weapons and didn't care. >> was he told in that conversation that people couldn't come through the mags because they had weapons? >> correct. >> and that people -- his response was to say they can march to the capitol from -- >> something to the effect of take the eff'ing mags away. they are not here to hurt me. they can march after the rallies. take the eff'ing mags away then

they can march to the capitol. >> a part of 15 total warnings of violence that were cited in the hearing. what was your reaction after hearing that the danger that it put you and your colleagues in, sir? >> well, don, like so much of the other evidence that's come out over the course of this select committee's process, what is become more and more clear is this wasn't an accident. we didn't stumble into the insurrection in wasn't something that just happened on its own. they knew about it. the president knew about it. heat advi his closest advisers knew about it. they knew there were arm and dangerous people that were intending to do violence and prevent the american people vote from being certified and conduct an insurrection. this was intentional. they knew it was going to happen. there are police officers who are dead now today. there are dozens of police officers who have been wounded for life. there are people that have been traumatized and they knew about it. they knew it was going to

happen. >> congressman, the committee is now subpoena former white house counsel pat cipollone. how important is that testimony? >> it's really important. in pat cipollone, you have one of the president's most trusted advisers. so much so that the president entrusted in pat cipollone be defense of his first impeachment trial. i know that because i debated and went led to head with pat cipollone in the first impeachment trial when i was trting that case. this is something that has had very, very deep conversations with the president that was in that inner circle and people know what was going on. if anyone knows what was going on, it would be pat cipollone. >> she also described scenes of event chief of staff mark meadows skroling on his phone as congress was being over run. do you think that was a dereliction of his duty?

>> yeah, absolutely. i don't know how else you would describe it. just the non-chalantness. it shows the level of depravity for some of these folks in the white house. they didn't care about the vote, the damage to our democracy, the health and well being of those police officer s who are dead ad wounded now. they didn't care about any of it. just their own power. it's about making sure we make that wrong right. that's why this process is so important. that's why we have to see it through to its conclusion and why they will have to package the findings up and deliver them to the department of justice so people are held accountable. >> i'm wondering what every up with was thinking who was part of this insurrection meaning who were threatened by the insurrectionists on the outside. the lawmakers and the staff and support group and police officers.

what do you think he would have done when he got there? >> i don't know. i've never pretended to get into the mind of donald trump. i don't want to go there. it wouldn't be positive or good. it's not a good place to be. we have to look at the larger story of this committee process. one of the things that's shocking to me is the number of people that have important information that's important to our country, democracy, national security, to our public safety who have withheld or sat on that information until they have been compelled to testify and provide it. how many more people are there? dozens? hundreds? that have important information. my message is your country needs you to come forward. we need to hear about this. the american people need to hear the information you have about the level of disregard, the

criminal conduct within this administration because we need to be able to make it right. there's no way we can fix this until we know what happened. >> after the supreme court struck down roe v wade this week, many americans are looking to democrats to do something to safeguard reproductive rights. people are not satisfied just being told to vote this fall when democrats hold the power. it was last week. what are democrats going to do? >> well, we have to make sure we're protecting women's data. right now there's a lot of information that's in the commercial space and the public domain for women that are in very dangerous state and places right now. we're looking at how we protect that data. as a member of the armed services committee, i'm looking at how we protect our female service member who is have been assigned posts and states where they don't have equal access to l health care. we do need to win at the ballot

box. this is a political problem. we have to win seats. we have to maintain majorities. that matters. if people elect republicans into those seats. they are going to go for a federal abortion ban. that's going to harm millions of women. yes, the ballot box and what will happen between now and november does matter. >> do you think your party was slow to act? 50 years to codify roe and it never happened. >> yeah, it never happened. we passed the women health protection act several times through the house. >> those are things you're

saying you were going to do. what about over the last 50 years. there are even democrats now . should we have done more to prevent what's happening. i don't know how you can say we shouldn't have. we're in the position we are in now. we have to win elections. we have to expand the majority in the senate and we have to save million of people. you think that will encourage them to go to the polls by november. perhaps they may have forgotten about it?

i don't know. we have short memories here in this time. do you think it will encourage people or discourage people who are going to say democrats didn't protect our rights. why should we trust them to do it now? >> put it this way, there's a lot of things on the ballot this november. the future of our democracy, rule of law, climate crisis, gun violence prevention, abortion rights and the equality of women. all those things are on the ballot. i will reject the notion every single day of the week that there's no difference between republicans and democrats. it does matter. it does matter who gets elected and who is in those seats because one party wants to protect women and abortion right, one party wants to stop it and harm millions of american women. that's the bottom line. do i always agree with the democratic party? no. i'm a proud democrat and i will disagree with my party when it's necessary and in the best interest of my state and my district. it does matter whose in these

seats. it does matter who is committed to truth. it does matter who is committed to democracy and who gets elected in these seats this november. people need to let their voices be laerd. i'm not going to tell people how to vote but vote your value, your conscious. look at the candidates and get involved. >> congressman, thank you. i appreciate your candor and your time. thanks so much. >> thank you. it has been bombshell after womabombshell in the january 6t investigation. now cipollone has opinion subpoenaed. will all this change how the gop looks at trump? that's next. machine you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover c card.

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. the january 6 committee issuing a subpoena to trump white house counsel. cnn learning he may agree to a limited transcribed interview. still up in the air whether the testimony will be taped or live. there comes after repeated request to appear willingly. they have been trying to get him to answer more questions after he sat for a closed door interview in april. let's discuss now. he may disagree to this interview. what does it mean he's potentially willing to do this even if it's limited? >> i think it opens the door even further to trump's inner circle. it sort of gets in the room, if

you will of trump's white house in the days leading up to and january 6th itself. that could spell trouble for the former president if more of his advisers, more people who were with him in those crucial days in american history are speaking and speaking under oath which is important to note. i think this could be potentially valuable. we have not heard cipollone on videotape to date. if he does participate, he's going to be able the kcorroborae or not a lot of what hutchin zone said this week. >> you guy, alex, you wrote extensively about what was going on in the final days of the trump white house. what do you think is the most important thing he could tell the committee? >> as jonathan just alluded to, if pat cipollone were to testify and corroborate the elements of cassidy hutchinson's testimony

that she was described the legal warnings they had and the messages from the white house counsel to senior white house staff about very real legal jeopardy if they took this path or that path, that strikes me as hugely important to a possible criminal case against the former president. don, on the politics of this and in terms of the way the committee is shaping larger public about what was going on in those days, there's virtually nothing that the former white house counsel could not be valuable in discussing. we have reporting about him talking to one republican senator while the insurrection was in progress about the possibility the 25th amendment being invoked. one of the recordings we released there's allusions to the white house counsel talking to republican members of congress in the days after the insurrection and urging them not the talk to donald trump for their own legal security.

if he really does play ball even in a limited way, i think it's just a massive breakthrough for the investigation. >> interesting. jonathan -- >> don. >> go on. >> to put finer point on that. on the afternoon of january 6th, senator lindsey graham, one of the closest allies in the senate called cipollone using direct language urged pat cipollone to urge the rioters to go home and as we report in our book, he says if trump doesn't that do that, we're going to call for the 25th amendment. that's lindsey graham on the phone on the afternoon of january 6th. that's one slice of pat cipollone's day on january 6th. there's a lot more he knows beyond that one call. that one call does offer some i sight as just how deep cipollone was into this moment. >> another example of lindsey graham, a person who says one

thing in private and then publicly says something else. jonathan, the january 6th -- alex. the january 6th vice chair liz cheney is speaking ing at the rn library. let's listen and then we'll talk. >> the january 6 committee is become clear that the donald trump over saw and engaged in were more chilling and more tl tlenting than we could have imagine preponderance of the evidence as we have thoun, donald trump attempted to overturn the presidential election. he attempted to stay in office and to prevent the peaceful transfer of presidential power. he summoned the mob to washington. he knew they were armed on january 6th. he knew they were angry and he directed the violent mob to march on the capitol in order to delay or prevent completing the

counting of electoral votes. he wanted to go there with them. he refused the take action to tell rioters to leave. instead, he incited further violence by tweeting that the vice president, mike pence, was a coward. he said, quote, mike deserves it. he didn't want to do anything in response to the hang mike pence chants. it's undeniable. >> it is undeniable. she is not mincing words here. she's all in on making sure every one knows how close that we were to losing our democracy. >> that's right. it's interesting that she used the word undeniable because some elements of that narrative have been denied. liz cheney and other members have information that we don't have. the burdens is to lay out the ways in which they truly can corroborate the element of this

that are in dispute no matter how narrow or persuasive they feel the information is. it's very clear her lopg war against donald trump is very clear. whatever the outcome of the investigation and her own republican primary battle this summer in wyoming, she's making no bone about her intention to continue the fight and driver him out of the party or drive him out of american public life if it's within her power to do so. >> is she preaching to the choir there. are those the folks that need to hear that? >> i think it's a mixed bag out there. there's some people who are sort of pre-trump gop stall worths who don't like former president. there's probably a host of people who are more friendly

with the former president who i think probably voted for him twice. i think that she's trying to sort of convert some souls, if you will in that church. this is going to be her task in the months and years ahead. it's clear she views her mission in american politics as stopping donald trump from reclaiming the presidency. that's obviously what she is using this commission for. whether or not there's a legal indictment that comes out of this, it's plain to see that she is trying to summon a political indictment from this commission when it concludes its work this summer. one that yes, will preclude former president trump from being president again and perhaps even preclude him from being his party's nominee gep. >> thanks. hope to see you soon. pre appreciate it. it's being called the

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shameful secrets of racism and wrongdoing stretched out as a physical reminder how charles and willa bruce were harassed of their property nearly 100 years ago when the city seized bruce's beach, a wrong the county of los angeles began working to fix last year culminating with the board of supervisors unanimously voting this week. >> motion carries 5-0. >> reporter: to return the land to the bruce's great great grandchildren marking the first time in the county's history the zepdants have had their family's land returned. >> we aren't giving property to anyone today. we are returning property. >> reporter: in 1912 the bruce's bought the land for more than $1,200. eventually they owned two parcels and started a business, offering a place for black people in southern california to enjoy the scenic vistas with

friends and family. >> the bruce's establishment from day one was very successful. they started with just a pop up tent where people could change their clothes, and they were selling refreshments. then they later built a two story building that included a cafe, area to dance. by 1922 some white folks were up in arms that the black folks had become -- had such a successful operation here. >> reporter: then in 1924 the city of manhattan beach snatched the property under imminent domain to create a park. eventually the county took control of the estimated 7,000 square feet of land, which is currently home to a park and lifeguard training facility. the county says it has a two-year agreement to lease the land from the bruce family for $413,000 a year. now surrounded by million dollar homes this is the property that is getting returned to the bruce family now estimated to be worth tens of millions of dollars as

it truly is oceanfront property. >> initially it cost the bruce family their entire fortune, they originally asked for $125,000 for the two pieces of property and they didn't get that. the loss of generational welt that would have been accumulated over the course of 98 years now. >> i feel some sense of peace. i feel joy. >> reporter: she started the push to return bruce's beach to its rightful owners in 2020 after the murder of george floyd. >> i know it was the catalyst for me, for me to illuminate what had happen today the bruces and move forward and take action and see how i could legislative get the land back for them. >> reporter: while the county's owning up to what happened to bruce's beach both ward and the families say that the city of manhattan beach has yet to acknowledge its role in the property's history. something they say they're going to continue to fight for. don? >> stephanie elam, thank you

very much for that. former trump white house counsel pat cipollone told mark meadows that blood is going to be on your f-ing hands if people died on january 6th. now we're learning he might have agreed to a limited interview with the committee. . ♪liberty, liberty, liberty. liberty.♪

a major development in the january 6th investigation. the select committee issuing a subpoena for former trump white house counsel pat cipollone. he is a key witness to what was going on inside the white house in the days before, during, and after the attack on the united states capitol. i want to bring in now cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles and former nixon white house counsel john dean. gents, good evening. thank you so much. ryan, i'm going to start with you on the reporting here. what are you learning about the subpoena for pat cipollone? >> well, i think it got to the

point, don, where the committee just felt they exhausted every option they could to try and get pat cipollone come in voluntarily. they had informal conversations with cipollone himself, conversations with public counsel. where in multiple hearings they called him out and asked him to come voluntarily, and he just refused. so i think they felt they had to take this legal recourse and compel him to do so in a way that it would make it much more difficult for him to wiggle of it. now, at this stage of the game our dana bash is reporting that an attorney familiar with his thinking believes that cipollone is open to the idea of a deposition where he sits in front of the committee and they record his deposition through written testimony but that is not videotaped or audiotaped, which could then be used in a hearing. so we'll have to see if it ever leads to him actually testifying in a public setting, which you think is the committee's ultimate desire because they've shown that in person public te