not be the watergate scapegoat. >> i find lots of memories are buried in these boxes. >> i am trying to share what i have learned. i am also trying to warn people about what i observed, and how fragile the system is. we shouldn't forget the story of watergate. it was an important lesson. it was a threat to democracy, not a -- as serious as the threats today, but, the basic story. because it is a piece of our history, and if we lose it and forget it, democracy will fade in the process. >> it's only an idiot box if an

idiot is watching it. >> at this point in time, what is known as the platinum age. >> our obligation is to entertain and if we have something to think about, so much the better. >> television should not be just entertainment. >> charges were leveled at commercial television networks. >> congress has no right to interfere with the media. >> you have a responsibility to give the audience what it tendon to say.

for years, the 60s, which end in a few hours have a reputation which is not entirely justified. some things got worse, obviously, but tv news coverage is better, not worse, we developed more demanding standards. >> when i look at the tv, i think of the 70s. >> what is this world coming to? >> the american public was hungry for more. >> mort was allowed than had been before. >> it was the last decade where it was a camp fire television, there was one in the living room. >> i'm going to watch an all- black show for a change. >> where will you find one?

>> here's one. >> young people were interested in irrelevant things, so television began to reflect that. >> it was really simple. you had three channels and pbs. >> when the decade turned over to the 70s, television was very rural. >> cbs had beverly hillbillies, greenacre. >> these kind of rural fantasies . >> the hillbilly shows were everywhere, and then they weren't. >> fred silverman was running programming at cbs and he said we will get rid of the shows that are the most highly rated, and replace them with shows that they thought would be more appealing to that younger audience. >> it changed the face of television. >> my name is norman lee. >> until 1971 he was a very successful if largely unheralded producer writer in hollywood but then he burst

upon the public consciousness when he took on bigotry with his all in the family. >> buddy york and created absolutely iconic shows. >> they revolutionized not only cbs, but all of american television. >> our world is coming crumbling down. the are coming. >> to use language like that on tv was unheard of. it really captured a certain moment. >> 12% of the population is black but there should be a lot of black families living out here. >> is is only a beginning but i think it is wonderful. >> let's see how wonderful it is when the watermelon rinds come flying out the window. >> it scared me a little bit, i thought they better be careful. >> there was no doubt in my mind that american people were going to accept it. >> do you have any answer for people who say the show reinforces bigotry and -- >> yes. my quick answer is no. >> everyone will see something, they know well what is going

on, it's not surprising. >> i bought some yesterday, it is in the closet, in the kitchen. >> i ain't in the kitchen. >> hearing a toilet flush for the first time was a big deal and made headlines. >> what this country coming to, anyhow? >> bad news? >> what else. >> you get out of vietnam or something? >> a wiseguy? >> i wasn't going to play around, how were we going to keep them from finding out about it, not when i see what is going on in our country. >> just because a guy is sensitive and he is an intellectual and wears glasses, you make him out a queer. >> i never said a guy who wears glasses is an queer. >> they did something really new for a television, they put before the public, archie's friend, very masculine who

happened to be . >> how long you know me, 10 or 12 years? in all that time, did i ever mention a woman? >> oh, come on, steve. >> did you glorify on public television, homosexuality. the reason is because you don't glorify the horrors. >> nixon objecting to the show was a badge of honor. >> it was really culturally on point, every time. >> 40 sitcom? that was unheard of. >> i wanted to do an episode where somebody could give archie what he earned. we created a character that could really let him have it. >> mod. >> i'm only here because of edith. the fact that you happen to be here with her is beyond my control. like any other freak of nature. >> when that show was off the

air, fred silverman was on the telephone with me saying, there's a showing that women. >> hello? no, this is not mr. findlay, it's misses findlay. mr. findlay has a much higher voice. >> get your coat and come on. >> what makes you think you can order me around like that? >> you're my wife, that's what gives me the right. >> you mean possession. >> you told me hundred times you want to feel possessed. >> walter finley, i never said that standing up and you know it. >> norman lear hates to hear it called the lear factory, all of the series move from this building allowing lear to move from show to show like a dervish. >> goodtimes was like holy smokes, there's black people on tv. >> there's never been a complete black family on tv before with the father. >> it made it so unique and universal, we have the same problems in our household and

we do not live in the project in chicago. >> you want to worry your head about nothing, going to do it. got $32 in a shoebox and another six dollars in my pocket. >> you worked all night and only paid you was six dollars? >> there were a lot of folks not happy with the show. the black panthers were very upset. when huey newton came to see me, the big complaint was, why can't we see a black man doing better than that? >> the jeffersons started as neighbors of archie bunker. >> why you so sensitive all of a sudden? >> how would you like it if i called you -- >> that's no worse than >> norman lear set the stage for other shows in the 70s that just brought gravitas to television. >> what are you staring at? >> i was just thinking. i don't bring my neighbors kids

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>> the first script written by alan burns and jim brooks had mary coming to minneapolis divorced. quickly cbs says no no no no no. >> at the beginning of the decade, divorce was considered somewhat scandalous. >> she went on dates with a lot of guys, but the guys weren't really important. >> we seem to be hitting it off, and i just thought. >> you just thought. >> she is not obsessed with finding a husband. >> this was about people coping with one another, and the workplace was like a family. >> i told ted to close with the copy for suanne. >> oh my god? i told the projectionist it was the other way around. >> oh my god. >> local pig farmers served

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>> the head of the network of the times that valerie, listen, i'm going to spin you off and i thought oh my god, i'm fired. because spinoff is a term that originated in the 70s. >> if we go to start living together we got to tell each other everything. >> okay, joe, i want to be married. >> the wedding became a huge national event. 52 million people tuned in to see that. >> suddenly, a happy relationship and they didn't know what to do with that. they had to have her get divorced to reboot the show. >> why did you marry me, answer me that? why did you marry me? >> you made me mary. >> i feel so funny. >>, she's not going to do it. >> where do we go from here? >> that, we will have to discuss in future sessions. >> somebody also had this

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nostalgia and wholesome family drama. >> now that dinner is over let's try out the piano. i am taking requests. >> i created happy days, i thought it would be good if there was some families that did not get their voice. it wasn't by accident, everyone on happy days hugged each other. it wasn't by accident everyone in the family ate at the same time, at the same table. >> it was a sweet and tender show in the vein of american graffiti. looking back on that era of the 50s with a certain affection. >> abc wanted fonzie's competing directly with dynamite. >> catchphrases were big. >> does anyone say thank you,

arnold? you know they say? >> sit on it, arnold. >> that's what they say. >> fonzie just wouldn't be the fonz. >> girls, knock yourselves out, sorry, it was a slip of the fingers. >> it's a fantasy of what team life could be. >> hey the fonzie over here. all right. luverne, and this is shirley, she's yours as you can see. >> nice to meet you, richie. >> my pleasure. >> when luverne made a guest appearance, look at this two shot, that's a series. >> tuesday night between 8:00 and at 9:00 is called the death spot, death to any program that there is to go on against a happy days and laverne and shirley. >> one of the few should cut sitcoms that ever debuted at

number one. >> the absolute top number one show the season is laverne and shirley. the seemingly harmless but essentially bramley brainless exercise in adolescence ons. >> you have to go all the way back to i love lucy to get the same sort of slapstick comedy. >> i never thought it was important except that it was two girls with friendship. it must have something going for it. >> i don't. >> >> everyone knew what we were talking about. >> once. >> my son didn't watch it, and he said i like it but i wanted spaceman. so, that's when i created a spaceman.

the writers all rolled their eyes. an alien? what's an alien. we had to make up the story, fonzie is running out of adversaries. >> fonzie has never lost a whole attacker yet. we have the home planet advantage. >> then, we got him on his own show and mork and mindy was a hit show of the 70s. >> audience talk about a willing suspension of disbelief is willing to buy the premise. just so that they can watch robin williams. >> that was an interesting part of the balance, i think, of the television diet, there was an attempt to explore deeper into the psyche to need to escape. >> i'm going to a beach barbecue. >> i will see what will heat up the coals. >> if there's any phenomenon that has tilt of the reading books, it is tna from jacobs at the affiliates meeting, he

explains how these are concocted. >> they take their clothes off three times, and then they want them to run two or three times, symmetrical. and they are all well endowed and the misstatements get three undressed scenes and three jiggles and write a script around it. >> there are some who will tell you that tna has peaked and is on its way out but abc has shows like love but m3's company. >> legal tv referred to the fact that these were women who were, you know, who were, you know. >> good morning angels. >> good morning charlie. >> charlie's angels became an enduring straight workout of the 70s. >> i've made arrangements for you three to go to prison. >> do tell. >> i'll be standing as erect as ever. >> good luck, angels. >> i did battle of the network stars a couple of times and i hated it. >> a pretty good time on billy crystal. >> tv stars compete in a series

of olympic type events. >> she seems to be wobbling a great deal. >>'s got a great set of legs, what the heck. >> i think we have a lot to apologize for with the worst of television. >> my only defense was, it was the 70s. >> did i jiggle, much? live and learn.

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public television has been expected to do a great deal. almost half of noncommercial program hours are aimed at children and it has come to be so many things to so many people. >> the pbs children's programming in the 70s became the platinum standard on the planet for how you use this medium to educate kids. >> would you be mine? could you be mine? won't you be my neighbor? >> it was fred rogers who made it okay to speak to an audience of kids like they were human beings. >> there are some things that are very difficult to understand in a newspaper. >> every now and then i think back to esther rogers and he

would say don't be scared, life is good. life is a special. >> everybody is so special because everybody is different. >> go and do the thing you love, that stuck with me. >> see you tomorrow. >> sesame street introduced my children to the interaction of people with different backgrounds. >> can't a penny. >> count it. >> okay. >> one. >> sesame street was aggressive in terms of learning concepts of reading, but also interacting. >> i may be small but i am somebody. >> sesame street was as big as it got them in terms of celebrity. everybody wanted to hang with the muppets. >> aren't you johnny trash? >> cash. >> educational shows and

television really matured in the 70s >> i love you. >> i love you too. now, for something completely different. >> when i was 13, this show from england came on. pbs, which before that was only the realm of my parents. and suddenly, they are doing the most outlandish, racy non sequitur type of humor, and killing me, the 13-year-old. >> it is extraordinary what you cannot do on american television. >> come on, attack me with it. >> so you have a generation of comedy nerds who don't even know they are comedy nerds. >> this parrot is no more. it has ceased to be. >> monty python turned out to

break so many rules. it changes everything, just like with beetles, you can say, they came after the beatles. look at saturday night live, you look at a ctv, came after monty python. >> from new york city we just happen to have the producer of the program, members of this company, what should we look for in this program? >> anxiety. >> lauren michaels, the canadian comedy producer is given free reign. >> i'm the producer of saturday night. >> heat winds up hiring a lot of improv comics. >>, and. >> george carlin was the first host, and wanted to be a permanent host. >> nice to see you, thanks for joining us. >> there are a lot of names bandied about in terms of permanent host. >> that's one of those tv rules that you mustn't break, but you do and then you realize why don't you have a different post every week? but, it was the cast that finally one people's hearts. >> who is this?

>> i am barbara walla. >> he redrawn to the tv because you knew something insane might happen. partly because it was live, partly because you knew the television was now in the hands of the television generation. >> these were kids who just might do anything. >> having sex with women, brazenly, within this very well. >> that never happened when nixon was in the white house. >> that was partly what made it attractive. >> no problem. >> everyone of their episodes became worthy of talmudic study if that is the word. >> when i hosted, lauren called me into his office and said you realize, the kids are the stars. the host wasn't nearly as impactful. >> that is not quite it. >> the thing was all the rage.

>> they call themselves the not ready for prime time players, not because they felt they weren't good enough, but as they felt they were too good. >> good evening, i'm chevy chase, and you're not. >> chevy chase became an instant star. >> chevy chase was on the show for one year. >> are you sorry to be on saturday night live? >> i'm deeply sorry. >> he decided he was too big for the show and so he left. in some ways it was a blessing because it showed that saturday night live was going to do much more than survive. >> there are some things that just aren't expendable. >> i'm bill murray, you can call me really, but around here everyone just calls me the new guy. >> when chevy chase leaves, bill murray comes in.

>> make up in here please? sorry, fellows. >> that opened up other doors and saturday night live was just taking off. >> super muscle medic 76. >> roseann. >> where do we come from? >> it was the show for us. it was the show about us. >> you wanted to be a part of it. it was inextricably linked with the times.

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monday is the greatest day of the week. >> through high school there was one show that was religious broadcasting, that you had to watch. if you didn't see it you wouldn't have anything to talk about for all of tuesday and most of wednesday and a big part of thursday. >> why? because monday night is nfl football night, that's why. >> monday night football got its start on september 21st,

1970, with the cleveland browns hosting the new york jets. >> welcome to nbc's monday night primetime national football league television series. >> this game is underway on abc. >> frank did play-by-play, don did replace, and howard was there to be the straw that stirred the drink. >> come on, let's go. >> the pairing of howard cosell with don meredith is a classic sitcom odd couple kind of pairing. >> you couldn't help but be swept up by what those guys were saying. the booth itself was almost a variety show. >> it really was kind of a traveling freak show and ahead freak was howard, no question. >> the tension between the two of them made for the kind of thing you wanted to see every week. >> professional football is rapidly growing into a big

business. you understand football is not like what they call football in europe. >> i like to watch them but i don't understand too much. >> would you like to learn more about it? >> that is very close to saying screw the football fan because he will come anyway. you need to appeal to the casual football fan. that is why we started telling stories that humanized the players. >> joe namath, one of the greatest of all times but unfortunately his legs did not go with that arm. >> the things that people associate with. >> do you recognize this fellow? >> what has been your view of this professional american football league. >> it's an amazing event that makes rocks concert looks like tea parties. >> i would like to have your job. >> that show became one of the most highly rated chairs in america. >> it showed that football was an entertainment experience on par with any primetime show you could imagine. maybe it was better because you

didn't know how it was going to end. >> 60 minutes decided to peer into the electronic future, to take a look at what may be in store for television viewers in the decade of the 70s. it is television by cable, a communications revolution that could radically alter our way of life. >> cable, for a quarter- century, there's nothing distinctive. it's just a way for you to get what everybody else can already get. that is the way it is up until -- >> welcome to home box office. >> november 8th, 1972, and it is not an overnight success. >> preventing the pennsylvania polka festival. >> the oft repeated saying is getting people to pay for tv will be like getting them to pay for air. >> saturday mornings they would pay band music prigs >> nobody knew what you do. nobody know what you couldn't do. but, you were desperately trying not to be commercial television. >> how much time have you got? >> ladies and gentlemen, robert fly. >> you didn't have to pack

everything quickly, you could warm up and get to know and take the stage, so to speak. >> talkshows are okay. when i do the to tonight show, i have to be funny in a hurry, it gets a little tiring. six minutes, boom boom boom. >> it was not this contrived, it was a full throated performance. >> it's not regular television, it's subscription. >> because you're not using public airwaves, the sec can't regulate your content. >> i understand you had two orgasms, could you tell us about them? >> hbo gave cable something to sell. you're getting movies uncut in your home, all the naughty bits intact. and then september, 1975, we debut coast-to-coast with the thriller in manila, one of the classic heavyweight fights, that's when hbo explodes. >> before that, you are

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i very much wanted to. >> rather than try to come up with a show that would run for years and years, it was this idea that, here is a limited story, we're going to tell it in x number of episodes, and let's just do this one self-contained thing. >> we all did things during the reign of my mad brother that we might not otherwise have done. >> it looks cheap. it was the script and the performances that mattered. in other words, it could be good for you, but it was fun at the same time. the miniseries was such a huge success for public television. abc was the network that hit gold with "rich man, poor man." >> how do you even tell a story that isn't controlled by the clock? characters that can grow and change and differ. >> i want to talk to you. >> about what? >> about making an honest man out of me. >> it's a subject i rarely discuss in the nude. >> what we saw in the '70s was big-event television, if it was done right and if it was compelling, the audience kept coming back and back. >> here you have topics that

start to get serious and important and groundbreaking for television. >> there's no life left here. and i don't want harm to come to you because of me. >> i won't -- i won't listen to this. >> the majority reaction to the holocaust program has been positive, it has not been without debate. >> with "holocaust" the heat was you shouldn't even touch this subject, it's disrespectful. but finally the thinking was, no, to not talk about it would be disrespectful. to not perpetuate the memory for another generation. so if you're too young to know, here's a depiction. >> not since the war have emotions been so high in germany. the "holocaust" telecast caused heated discussion. its most tangible political effect was shown when the german legislature debated the search for nazi war criminals. "holocaust" made it easier for lawmakers to vote to continue the hunt for nazis. >> "holocaust" brought it home. it made it real, even though it

was a hollywood creation. >> sunday night, "roots" begins in eight parts on abc. if it sounds like i'm plugging it, i am. basically, television will never be the same again. >> there was really no bigger television event than "roots." it was based on a 1976 book by alex haley about his family in africa and coming to america as slaves and what happens to them as the centuries go on. >> i will go to my grave believing that "roots" is america's story. it's not just black america's story. >> we might have come over in the bottom of the ship, but we all came over on ships. >> my name means stay put. but it don't mean stay a slave. >> as a 19-year-old kid, "roots" was my first job. >> we're not children. we're very close to being men. >> what's your name? >> kunta. kunta kintae. >> the character that i got to portray in "roots" was a dream role.

>> it was really genius to cast all of america's favorite television dads in the roles of the white slave owners and the villains. >> i'll be by to fetch ya in the morning, captain. sleep well. >> it is difficult to explain in today's culture how unprecedented "roots" was. no one had ever seen the story of slavery before told from the point of view of the africans. >> it may be the first time that television allowed an embracing of black pride. >> them is free. is free, honey. >> one of the reasons that "roots" was so incredibly popular is not because abc had so much faith in it, but because abc didn't. >> earlier miniseries were broadcast in weekly installments. and the abc executives determined that if "roots" were to fail, they could just be done with it in seven or eight nights. >> it was high risk, high reward. if it didn't work, you were out

a lot of tv time and not many people watching. >> the television premiere on eight consecutive nights attracted the largest audience in the history of the medium. >> there's something about it that seems to touch all human beings. it transcends age and race. >> entertainment was meeting humanity. i think that's the primary value is to lead humanity forward. >> if there's a legacy of television in the '70s, it's that you matter. >> while there's a lot going on in the world, television was a reminder of how much little things mean to us. the smallest of situations. >> no matter what the subject matter was, it wanted to include you. you're in the family. don't make fun of the outsider. include them. >> its legacy is, look how long it's lasted. >> those shows were about people who were kind and nice. they were not mean-spirited

shows. >> there was a certain elegance to that. i kind of miss it. >> oh, it was so delicious. five different flavors. and archie was sitting at another table with jefferson pratt, remember him? anyway, archie was trying to get my attention. so first he put two straws up his nose. like a walrus. tonight our topic will be murder as a growth industry. >> murder has become an epidemic in america