now he will. tell me why it is important to hear from pat? >> the democracy is at stake. it is not a game. it is a terrifying situation. rather than honor the oath of office that he took, he has been trying to resist testimony and appearing before the committee. he had an informal session in april off the record. i don't even think it was sworn. he has now been negotiating as the terms under which you will testify. i don't get it. here is a guy that had the benefit of our democracy, he should be volunteering information so we can understand what happened.

>> why do you think he is not? he could have such access and give first-hand accounts of the effort to seize power of the doj to try uncorrupted in the scheme to oust the acting attorney general. i suspect to the extent that pat cipollone is trying to carve out certain areas, i assume privileges part of this. will that be enough to overcome the obligation that he is speaking about? >> not at all. there is no attorney client privilege. the white house counsel does not represent the president of the united states personally. he is not the personal lawyer. there is no personal attorney client privilege. the only question is whether or not there is valued executive privilege. there may be some instances

where donald trump came to him and discussed certain things in a normal fashion, asking whether or not honest certain activity was problematic. it doesn't sound that way, based on hutchinson's testimony. it seems to me what pat cipollone was doing was putting fires out all over the white house every time donald trump was stepping over the line. none of that would be privileged. i agree with john. he ought to be up there testifying. the most important part about what he has to say, relates to matters that kassidy hutchinson has testified to. the most important thing is cooperate and support what she said. john can probably appreciate this more than anybody. when he testified everybody on the republican side of the house was saying he is not

credible and not telling the truth. then outcome the nixon tapes. he was right on the money and couldn't have been more accurate. what is significant, he can actually cooperate exactly what kassidy hutchinson said. >> who couldn't trust a face like yours? you do raise a good point about credibility. do you think the fact that pat cipollone , he was standing up there for the first impeachment trial. he has evaded the opportunity to have that obligation and obligatory notion to testify. you have any concerns that this is the person that is supposed to trust the credibility of other witnesses? >> i certainly do.

i remember that letter of october 2019 the issue in defense of the president and the impeachment process and falsely attacking a member of the house, one of the managers. he showed himself to be a -- political animal in a tribunal that is the high point of any tribunal in the u.s., other than the supreme court with the chief justice presiding. he made this representation. he disappointed colleagues as to his legal skills. i'm not sure which side he has on to make sure he doesn't alienate potential clients. it will be a difficult and precarious walk through the proceedings.

>> as a prosecutor, when you have someone's credibility that might be questioned in the way of whose side they are on, cooperation is key. as we mentioned, he testified informally in april. it was reached on limitations for testimony. that allowed discussions of the meeting with clark. and official that tried to help mr. clump -- trump cling to power. also any interactions with members of congress. also recollections of the events. not conversations that they had with trump except for the january 3 meeting with jeffrey clark. you expect these will be the parameters for friday's

testimony? >> i am not sure. i think he will try to avoid direct conversations between him and donald trump. i can't say that necessarily those conversations will be covered by executive privilege. he would have the right to object to certain questions and the committee would have the right to challenge those in court. i don't think they will take the time to do that nor do they have the time. for certain, what he said to kassidy hutchinson, the fact that he begged her to make sure trump did not go to the capitol, it would be all kinds of unimaginable crimes that would be committed. that will be critical in terms of showing the credibility of kassidy hutchinson pit i am

sure the committee will focus on that. >> we don't have long to wait. thank you so much. i want to turn now to timothy natality. you always do a fine job of bringing this into context. there waiting for that moment. we just had a john dean conversation. the moment and the hearings, one that might influence how americans might understand what truly happened. have we seen something like that yet? is that what you think somebody like pat cipollone, sitting with john the that could bring. >> calf kassidy hutchinson's

testimony was a game changer. it was a dramatic surprise that shaped the hearings. >> and moved to this investigation in a direction that we haven't seen since the hearings. what made the john dean moment was not simply your previous guest but his position. the fact that he was white house counsel. he could give first-hand testimony that was fully corroborated. kassidy hutchinson did a good job of being very straightforward about what she heard and what she testified to that was hearsay. a lot of what she heard was from mark meadows and pat

cipollone . it is pat cipollone in mark meadows that were with the president. they are the ones that could give us a john dean moment. my concern is that pat cipollone counseled the president to engage in a contempt of congress. the 2019 letter was an outrage. it turned on its head the entire history of impeachment. it was a violation of the principle that george washington set out for what congress had a right to receive. george washington who was under no threat of impeachment said that the house requires something for the inquiry, i have to give it over. pat cipollone decided to

overturn what george washington and all presidents sent believe said donald trump does not have to give anything. pat cipollone's connection to the constitutional history is not very strong. it is possible that one of the things that is motivating him is he might be afraid of his own legal jeopardy. keep in mind the picture that is developing. the mosaic the committee is forming. it is a criminal conspiracy. a conspiracy to use violence to alter the prophecies. that is illegal. the p in any way abetted donald trump's decision to use a pressure tactic to change his mind, he is liable for

prosecution too. what is at issue is he changed his mind about the commitment to constitution. i am not ready to say he is fully on board. he may be a little afraid that kassidy hutchinson's implementation subtly puts mark meadows in jeopardy but pat cipollone as well. we will see what comes out and whether there is any investigation as it relates to those that have come before or agreed to go to the committee. thank you for that context. the investigation isn't the only one that former president trump basis. we will break down where things stand in the cases that are swirling around trump world,

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as the january 6 investigation 07, several state investigations are healing up. several of trump's allies in the county probe into election interference. amana new york, holding the former appraiser and can tempt for failing to supply with subpoenas from the attorney general. there being fined $10,000 per day. now to discuss his michael moore and -- . it was the focus

on these investigations as well. i am looking at the state level cases. these actually do they pose a greater legal threat? >> if i was representing trump, i would be more concerned about the fulton county case. merrick garland seems very cautious. he spent over 20 years as a federal judge. they are concerned about making sure they cross their tees and thought their eyes. there will always be reasons to be concerned. i get the sense that the da is very concerned about this conduct and she is determined to see this to be a and.

>> at least one person is concerned in the sense they are going to try and challenge the subpoena. i am talking about lindsey graham's attorney. it is a criminal investigation into interference. it would be harder than a congressional subpoena. it would have been odd to think it is easy to obey those. is there credence to what the lawyers might be saying in terms of senator graham not having to comply? >> i am glad to be with you. and full disclosure, i suggested that the state election board investigate for the call he made. that was some time ago. is in a unique position. we have seen the subpoenas go out to lawyers close to the

circle. she has been on the periphery and now she is getting key figures investigating. he made himself have jeopardy. he stated in interviews that he felt pressured and was taken aback by ramps, that he not count certain votes or manipulate accounting. grandma's going to go through the legal wrangling's. that seems to be the norm. everyone around takes the fifth. here graham said we shouldn't have to come forward. i don't think he will get down

the road. it is for one of the state lawmakers. he is anchoring an approach to work through some of the objections and things that maybe protected. basically opening the door to talk in detail. >> the idea of subpoenaing someone that may be a target, the special grand jury whose job it is to issue the rep port. not a regular grand jury that would be asked if applicable. you have trump and donald junior, they will have to sit for deposition. this, beginning july 15. >> it looks like it is a civil case. they back to what appeared to

be criminal charges. if i was navigating, i my concern would be that you are really facing war on several fronts. i really think one of the issues for trump and family and associates is any deposition they given a civil case can be used by the justice department by prosecutors in fulton county or elsewhere. i really think that the issue is that they are not going to have some prosecutor somewhere trying to bring charges. accordingly they have to be concerned about what they say. >> we will keep you posted. what may have been a missed

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a report on the police response to the mass shooting up the elementary school in uvalde, texas. and assessment finds officers missed several opportunities to stop the gunman before he killed 19 students and two teachers the report said that one officer had a chance to shoot the gun man before he entered the school. he sought permission to take the shot and didn't hear back in time. the report is coming as a teacher that survived said police officers failed to save victims. >> i started seeing sheetrock fly off the wall. that is when i told my kids, i don't know what it is. >> reporter: he was the only survivor from classroom 111.

after one month in the hospital, 10 surgeries from bullet wounds, he is finally back home and talking about the day that ripped lives apart. >> when i turned around i saw him. i saw the shadow. that is when i saw them light the fire. then i ended up on the ground. >> you get hit and go down. what is going on at that time. >> when you're waiting for someone to save us, you think something is happening that the cops get there fast and help you. i was waiting for that.

i was waiting for anyone to save us. >> reporter: it would be an agonizing 70 minutes for police to enter to kill the gun man. >> he did things to make me flinch or react. as i was laying down, either like this or this, it was splashing on my face. >> was he trying to see if you were still alive? >> you were laying there for over an hour and no one is coming. >> it is that they forgot us.

they thought we were all dead or something. if they had gone him before, some would have made it. 4 it is a question that many struggle with as seconds tick by. and lives have been saved if officers acted sooner? 19 students and two teachers would lose their lives that day. the subject of multiple investigations, it is called one of the biggest law enforcement failures in recent memory. officers are just feet away on the other side of the door. >> law enforcement failed. they take that oath to protect. i was there to protect the kids but i had no bullet vest or any

tactical gear. they had everything. >> reporter: when did you realize the children would make it? >> after they shot him in the border patrol said anybody get up. but go. trying to get the kids out. >> someone else said there children under here. children were dead under the table. there was nothing i could do.

>> reporter: your children. >> yes, my children. he is a remarkable man. to think about what he has been through. his will to live, his will to survive and the good he is trying to do.

he lives with guilt for the fact that he survived. he said he gets reassurance that there is a reason why he is alive and he is hoping to make the best of his life. he's not sure he will ever go inside of the classroom again. that is too bad. children really loved him. the future will be rough. it is just his way of describing what happened. just a positive nature, despite everything. also the fact that what is so upsetting and makes me so angry and everyone so angry, he was laying in that classroom on his stomach for more than an hour while cops were just outside. he felt like no one would help him. when they did he realized how horrific it was.

>> just the question of him talking about what the officer said in telling people to get up and realizing he was the only one to move. every parent across america, there is a clip of his classroom name. this is outside of every elementary classroom and the classes that we see. it is heart-wrenching what happened. how is the community reacting to the university report? officers missed multiple opportunities, including even before he went to the school. what is the reaction? >> what is going on, they are wondering why information is being released in this fashion. this were court was done by a group of officials who do the

active shooter training. and investigator sat with them and described everything. they haven't had that level of briefing publicly for the parents or public or even for the media. than they are professionals and experts in active shooters what went on. they still owe it to the families and the public. i don't think anyone is surprised by some of this information. there is a lot more there we are not being told. they are not surprised. the frustration is how they are learning the information. we are in day 43. kids are going back to school in a few weeks. we still have yet to know everything that happened. it is hard to believe.

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the courage to stand up to his own party. remember how it would help working-class folks? >> the president taking aim at republicans. inside the democratic party, there are rumblings that the biden administration seems rudderless, aimless and hopeless. let's talk about it with cnn commentators. me begin with you. as you heard, present biden was slamming republicans for opposing his economic agenda. i wonder what you make of the ability of that message to breakthrough when you have democrats controlling, obviously slimmer margins but the house and senate are in the oval office. can it gain the traction he's looking for? >> it is a better message than

vote harder. we have to do a better job of communicating many of the things we have done and had some level of success. it is a good point. i disagree with the fact that you have a congressman that doesn't want to put his name on a quote. that is terrible. people know who republicans are in the country and people know the policies are not good for the country. people want to know what democrats stand for. the president has to continue to beat that drum. >> speaking about, we are in a strange moment. in terms of republicans and democrats competing to figure out would capitalize. january 6 doesn't look very good. it doesn't really help that the gop knows he is the leader of the party. republicans did get the huge

wins. they seem to be in attack mode. do you think republicans are taking advantage of what is happening and some describe as the chaos in the administration or the climate overall? >> republicans are in a good position in the midterms because i agree with the person that i don't think joe biden has done much about the issues that are top of mind for most. if you look at the survey this week, 63% of people listed as top issue, inflation, gas prices, paying bills, groceries. two thirds of the country is on fire about the economy and their own personal situation. in the same time his approval rating was in the mid-30s. there is a disconnect between how they believe joe biden is doing and what they think top priorities are. it is not rocket science. to take advantage is to listen

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the fatal police shooting of jaelyn walker sent the residents of akron, ohio to the streets in protest. he was killed on june 27 after he fled what was an attempted traffic stop. there was an 18 minute car chase followed by a brief foot chase. during the car chase, officers told dispatch that a gunshot have been fired from the

vehicle. police showed still images taken from traffic cameras that showed a flash of light. perhaps a muzzle flash along the driver side of the car. during the foot chase, officers believed walker was reaching toward his waist. officers fired resulting in more than 60 gunshot wounds. walker was unarmed at the time of his death. officers did find a firearm. today at a rally in cleveland, present biden pledged that the department of justice will take the appropriate action if violations of federal criminal statutes are found. joining me now is former nypd detective, tom bernie. the number of shots. eight officers firing on him, leaving more than 60 wounds.

what you make of that response to a fleeing suspect. for many we talk about excessive force, even if initially there were some justification in pursuit. >> good evening and thank you for having me on. i feel bad for anyone that is killed in the interaction with the police officer. there are cases like this one where you have someone that is not complying with the police and being pursued in the vehicle, potentially shooting from the vehicle. vehicle stops and he now still doesn't comply. they pursue him on foot. any movement he makes, the police will assume that he has a weapon on him and he will turn and use it against him. >> on that point, there was not

a weapon who was found on his person. >> does that change in the eyes of the officers knowing that no weapon was found on him when they shot? >> bay in pursuing him, there was a shot fired from the vehicle. it was caught on camera, going to the pursuing police and their statement. if there was a gun found in the car, they have to assume he has a gun on him until you know he doesn't. unfortunately they don't know he doesn't until he shot multiple times. the amount of shots, i totally understand, this is what infuriates people. first eight police officers pursuing him. if he is turning in making that

movement, they are authorized by law and by training to open fire to stop the threat of them potentially being shot. some officers will fire once or twice. some might unload a magazine. officers react differently in a crisis situation. most training the eighth for officers to fire two or three times. the investigation will continue. we hope to learn more information and we extend condolences to the family. we follow the story and get to the bottom. thank you for watching and thank you for your time. our coverage continues.

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a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and all around the world. i'm max foster joining you outside the british houses of parliament where boris johnson is clinging on to power while calls for him to resign are growing by the minute. that and much more just ahead on "cnn newsroom." >> i'm happy to tell you that i'm getting on with the job that i was elected to do. >> it is chaos. >> i think that it is becoming