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and it's all on the record. but what exactly did the panel learn? does donald trump have a lot more to be worried about tonight? >> mr. cipollone did appear voluntarily and answer a whole variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses, and i think we did learn a few things which we will be rolling out in the hearings to come. so, i think it was a, you know, a grueling day for all involved. mr. cipollone and the staff and the members. but it was well worth it. >> well worth it, says committee zoe lofgren on cnn earlier tonight. she did not get into specifics, but she thought cipollone was candid with the panel today and believes that his answers were, quote, honest. congresswoman lofgren did note, quote, some complications when it came to attorney/client

privilege belonging to trump. but she said executive privilege was not an issue because the holder of that privilege is in fact president biden. in another interview, she said the former white house counsel never pleaded the fifth. so, what does that mean for the ex-president? there's a lot of intrigue about this testimony because, of course, cipollone was such a critical figure in the trump white house. he could know whether trump knew about the violence that was planned for the sixth. lofgren said a couple times tonight how worth while this testimony is. cipollone spent more than two years in the white house legally advising then-president trump. would he be the one who opens up citizen trump to the most legal exposure so far in this committee's year-long investigation? jim schultz worked in the trump white house counsel's office before cipollone arrived, and he joins us now with some valuable insights. jim, thank you so much for

joining us again. how important do you think this testimony was today? what does it tell you that it took as long as as it did? and clearly congresswoman lofgren was pretty high on what they learned. >> so, he gave an interview for five hours some time ago. so, a lot of that is just confirming on this record what he had said during the interview prior to this. so, we had another two hours. and what was done during that -- what was accomplished during those two hours? we don't know. we're going to learn very soon. but i imagine a lot of it was corroborating what had been said by prior witnesses about what cipollone heard, the advise cipollone gave, and some of the things that went on in the days leading up to january 6th. >> so, i know there's obviously been a lot of focus on cassidy hutchinson's blockbuster testimony. but we should remind people liz cheney looked into the camera and told cipollone she wanted to hear more from him before we as

a country heard from cassidy hutchinson. what do you think cipollone can shed light on that's most important? >> i think the conversations relative to jeffrey clark, the conversations relative to whether the former president was going to go down to the capitol or not, the conversations relative to john eastman and some of the things they were doing with electors, i'm sure that those questions, they were front and center today. and i believe that you're going to -- you know, a lot of that was also -- a lot of what was discussed was also the cassidy hutchinson testimony and corroborating that. >> can you take us inside the white house counsel's office? i know you were there before cipollone was. but what kinds of conversations -- because, you know, i've covered several presidential administrations. this was a pretty unique universe in which to operate the trump white house and the counsel's office.

it was, you know, by many accounts used in different ways, perhaps pressured and pushed in directions that it's normally not pushed. i mean, what kinds of things would cipollone know that could shed light on what you saw? >> well, look, cipollone -- what cipollone knows is what went on in the oval office and around the president. and most likely the other white house counsel staff, some of them may have been involved in those conversations. some of them probably weren't. it's a staff of about 25 to 40 lawyers depending upon the time frame within which folks worked there. usually there's more when the opposite party is in charge in the congress because you're dealing with oversight issues. but a lot of work that goes on in the white house counsel's office has to do with confirming judges, working on regulatory issues. but the things that were jermaine to what they're discussing today are going to be things that go on at the top of the chain.

pat cipollone in particular, he's the one that's there to counsel the president. he was the assistant to the president at the time. he was the guy in charge of the white house counsel's office, and he's the one that would have been having those conversations. >> so, the reporting that we have suggests that, you know, as we pointed out, the biden white house has effectively said executive privilege is not an issue here. but we do know that the attorney/client privilege issue was -- at least the way lofgren characterized it -- was a complicating factor. how do you think that may have actually played out over the course of this testimony? >> look, as it relates to things relating to the commission of potential crimes or criminal related matters, attorney/client privilege doesn't attach in those instances. so, i believe that in those instances, he would be free to testify as to what he heard and what he saw. and remember if he's giving legal advice to the white house, that's the part that's

privileged. if you're not actually giving legal advice at the time, that privilege doesn't attach. so, i'm sure there was some give and take back and forth on whether this was something he was giving legal advice on, this was something he heard outside of giving legal advice, and was there an argument that there was a crime being committed at the time, and does privilege not attach there? >> you're saying if some of the testimony where we've clearly heard other witnesses say pat cipollone told us not to do this because we would be committing a crime, that's not covered by attorney/client coverage? >> in certain instances it would not be if there were crimes being perpetrated at the time. then, yes, because, i mean, the government official that may be involved in that criminal activity is acting outside the scope of their role as a government official if they're acting, you know, in their individual capacity and perhaps committing crimes. at that point in time, there's this -- there's this disconnect between who is the lawyer

representing? the lawyer is representing the office of the white house, right? and the -- because they're the white house counsel. the white house counsel is not trump's personal lawyer. >> fair enough. jim schultz, stay with us. i want to add in some very experienced political minds to our conversation. former montana governor and state attorney general steve bullock joins us. former florida congressman francis rooney. and former adviser to mitch mcconnell, scott jennings. welcome to you all. congressman rooney, i want to start with you because for our viewers who may not remember, you had expressed some openness the very first time that former president trump was potentially facing legal jeopardy during the impeachment hearings. and then obviously you stepped down. you decided not to run for re-election. so, how do you view what we've heard from the committee so far and particularly the cipollone testimony. when you're thinking about it as

a republican who is, you know, wondering like all of us, are other republicans going to be swayed by this? >> the reason i said i was open to hearing all the evidence about impeachment is as a business person i'm used to getting the facts together before i make a decision. and obviously trump didn't like that. and a lot of people didn't like it. and -- but i heard all the evidence, and i talked to two ex-white house counsels and they convinced me that it wasn't impeachable even though it was pathetic. >> fair enough. how does that experience apply in this situation? >> i think we need to get all the facts now. you know, we know there are facts related to the people coming onto the ellipse with guns and the president wanting to aid and abet them and then inciting them to go down to the capitol. i don't know if that's legally culpable or not. maybe mr. cipollone could amplify about what he said about crimes being committed or not, we can't go down to the capitol, and things like that. to me, that would be very important for the american people to know. >> scott jennings, what is eight

hours with pat cipollone tell you? >> well, it obviously tells me he was more than forthcoming. it sounds like they had some attorney/client issues, but you don't sit in a room that long without saying something. the question is clear, did you tell the president or anyone else they were committing a crime? and they disregarded it? >> pretty straightforward. >> that's the clear -- i mean, i know there are other issues. but that's the question. i guess we'll find out next week whether that question got asked and answered. but that's kind of what i want to know, not just about what was going on outside in washington on the sixth, but as it relates to what was going on with the pressuring of mike pence. because i assume he had an opinion on that as well. >> what's your take? >> i guess two things, first of all going back to privilege. just let's recognize that the white house counsel only in the official capacity. so, that's not on the campaign capacity. it's not the personal capacity. >> right, it's the office itself. >> and the president had nothing to do with the meeting of congress pursuant to the 12th

amendment. so, i'm not sure where that privilege is there. and i think scott's point, it could be a lock, right? seven hours. clearly the committee had a lot to go through. and mr. cipollone clearly also, unlike eastman, giuliani, mitchell, still recognized those ethical obligations that you have as a lawyer. it could be a little bit less though too because it could well have been that, you know, sometimes in a deposition or otherwise, you spend an hour trying to get an answer to one question. so, it will be interesting to see when this is released really how forthcoming he's been or he was because he hasn't always been necessarily profound. >> jim schultz, let me bring you back into this. and i want to get scott's point of view on it as well. but what's your assessment of the credibility or back thereof that cipollone has inside trump world? >> i don't know what his credibility is inside trump world. i think pat cipollone is -- he has tremendous credibility

generally speaking. he's a careful lawyer. he's a smart lawyer. he does the right things and was clearly doing the blocking and tackling that needed to be done in advance of january 6th. so, i think he's going to come off as a very credible witness. we've already heard that he did, that, you know, the committee was satisfied that he came off as a credible witness and very candid. and that's what i would expect from a lawyer like him. >> well, and scott jennings, cipollone also -- and this is in the context of the political context we're having around mick mulvaney -- was telling republican voters to look at very staunch republicans testifying before the committee. even ignore liz cheney, despite the fact he's a republican. she's lost some credibility among the maga crowd. pat cipollone has a pretty unimpeachable record among conservatives in washington and in general. >> oh, no question. he's highly regarded by republicans here in d.c. and elsewhere. it's interesting. for all the characters that came and went out of the white house, donald trump picked two really

good white house counsels. don mcgahn was terrific and pat cipollone was also terrific. the credentials on these guys professionally and politically are really high. >> it's going to be very interesting to see what we are able to get when the hearings resume next week. jim schultz, thank you as always for being with us. really appreciate your time. steve, francis, and scott, stay with us. we're going to continue our discussion. should there be consequences for any lawmaker involved in insurrection planning? what the voters say up next.

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the revelations coming out of the january 6th committee could have serious implications for people not named donald trump, namely several republican members of congress. the new monmouth poll finds majority of democrats and independents think any members of congress who helped the planners of the january 6th

insurrection should be removed from office. plus 36% of republicans believe the same. political brain trusts back here to discuss, steve bullock, francis rooney, and scott jennings. scott, let me start with you on this. there clearly are some republicans in congress who have serious questions to answer about what they were doing around january 6th. some of them were brand-new members of congress. how do you think those people should be held accountable if it's proven that they have roles, whether it was -- you know, some people were showing eventual rioters around the capitol, that show they knew what was being planned, et cetera. >> number one way people are held accountable, as congressman rooney knows and governor bullock, is by the voters. these things become part of your record. you have to go home and defend it. that's one way. i assume these people have been asked to answer questions by investigators and if they have criminal culpability that will be answered as well. to me if a member of congress

does something in their official capacity, it beens immediate need for the voters in that district to examine that and whether they should be representing him anymore. the way most members of congress are removed is by being beaten or retiring. >> that's not going to happen for lauren boebert or marjorie taylor greene unless they lose a primary. >> they didn't have primaries this year and they didn't lose. a lot of people want to kick members of congress out and throw them out. i always think voters -- people's votes are very important to me and letting voters decide who represents them is vital to our democracy. >> sure. go ahead. >> the challenge is we have 35 election deniers running for governor in states around the country. the way they do it is coddle up to the trump side of things. and elections might be outcomes,

democracy is a process. and we've got to make sure that that process is protected, or folks like this are going to win based on denial of the last election. >> that's kind of the consequences of leaders in donald trump who repeatedly say things that are not true. i mean, congressman, you were in congress until 2021, right around the time that all of this was unfolding, and there was an incredible amount, and there still is -- it's gotten worse -- of distrust that was generated by some of these members of congress. the hardest core maga among them with democrats but also others, adam kinzinger, because of what they may or may not have done on january 6th. how did you experience that, and how big a problem do you think it is to have these republicans serving? >> it's part of a bigger problem of what kind of a party do we have that these people would be so completely unhinged. that was a coup. they were participating in a coup.

i'll have to defer to the legal experts here about what that means. i look at it as one of the most outrageous things that's ever happened in this country. and i hope people will finally realize the magnitude of what these people did and what other people did to aid and abet them. >> do you see any evidence breaking through. i know you have a lot of connections in elite republican circles. it's a relatively small world. a lot of these people have been working in town for many, many decades. and a lot of them during the for example the first impeachment were arguing against it. they were willing to carry donald trump's water at that point. do you get the sense that that's changed dramatically in recent weeks as this testimony has become public? >> i think it's definitely changed. look at the amount of money ron desantis has raised for business. >> raised for business? >> i think thiparty we have used to be -- one of the pillars of our party used to be suburban people and business. now the party is almost hostile to business. it's populist and nativist. >> ron desantis has pretty

publicly taken on businesses like disney, for example. >> he has, but he hasn't attacked capitalism per se. i haven't heard him say greedy corporations like i've heard other republican senators say. >> scott jennings, are you picking up something similar here? >> i think there are a lot of republicans out there who voted for donald trump twice, maybe gave him money, wanted to see him succeed who know we cannot drag the country and the party through this in 2024, that he's the least likely republican to have a chance to win the white house. and they see someone like desantis who gives you all of the fight and all of the policy without all the baggage and worse that came with january 6th that donald trump will bring. >> you think top leaders might take the risk of supporting desantis over trump? >> we'll see. i think he is more than viable to win the nomination and the white house. i think there are other people -- tim scott i'm fond of as well and nikki haley and others. there's a big field and any of them would be a better choice. a lot of republicans in their hearts know that. i think that's why donald trump

is considering launching his re-election campaign right now because that fire is starting to build a little bit and he wants to tamp it out. >> i think a lot are looking past the governorship race. >> you do not need $111 million to get elected in florida. >> that would go a long way in montana. >> much further in montana. why aren't democrats capitalizing on this gigantic mess the republicans have because the biden administration is having trouble. >> i think the republican party -- we p often say when the democrats get together, we organize the firing squad in a circle. it's nice to see the republicans finally doing that as well. and there will be the opportunity to stay in flow. i'll say it's interesting that you can look at senator scott. like i said, he hasn't watched the hearings. nikki haley -- >> republicans is still there. >> so, it's still so overwhelming in that.

so, it'll be interesting to see how that sifts out. i mean, i might be for congressman rooney for president the way he's talking. >> the question we're asking is why aren't democrats taking advantage of this implosion. because they're imploding. 70% of democrats don't want joe biden to run for re-election. neither party has it together for 2024. >> we're all stuck in the middle. >> in fairness, the left did not attempt a coup. i get your point that many are too far left for the main stream of the country. >> i think it's a little early. we love to be the pundits who say here's what's going to happen in 2024. there's still a lot of time. >> right. and if we learned anything, we have absolutely no idea and it's not useful for us to speculate. >> remember jimmy carter was before donald trump. >> don't tell the audience. >> thank you guys both for being here. congressman, we're going to talk to you later on this hour, so please stick with us. the january 6th hearings

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tonight. >> thank you. >> can you remind our viewers what types of things you have discussed during your testimony with the committee? and do you expect to publicly testify? >> well, the discussions i've had with the committee i'll leave with the committee. i don't want to get ahead of them and their investigations. i have spoken with the committee on the possibility of publicly testifying, and i'm available to them should they need me. some of the things i've said publicly, however, that are sk consistent with my testimony are the fact that these groups were amassing in the days leading up to -- the days and weeks leading up to january 6th, and they're still a threat as we speak. >> what's the nature of the current threat from these groups? >> well, clearly the department of justice has done a great job investigating and indicting many of the individuals that were

there on january 6th. there are other individuals who stayed home who are thought to be extremely dangerous, thought to be organizing january 6th jv so to speak, and they came out in the woodworks on the 7th and 8th lamenting the fact they hadn't been there and had they been there things would have been different. so, to think we have accomplished a great deal in the prosecution of 800 or so rioters on january 6th is a fallacy. there are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of individuals that are radicalized across this country. and the mobilization to violence from radicalization can happen in a very brief period of time. >> when we heard cassidy hutchinson testify before the committee, during that, the course of that hearing, we heard for the first time tape of interactions by law enforcement discussing arms, guns, being held by people in the crowd outside the ellipse when the president was making that speech, presumably headed down to the capitol.

that was then suggested that the president was aware of this, cassidy hutchinson recounted the president saying get rid of the magnetometers before the speech, that those people were not there to hurt him specifically. were you aware of the fact that the crowd had arms on the day of the insurrection? >> we had warned our law enforcement partners in the federal space weeks before january 6th that they were planning on bringing weapons. that was one of the -- some of the concerning information that we were getting online, that they planned to sequester. they were seeking tips and tactics on how to hide long guns and how to bring in weapons into the district of columbia, which is illegal, by the way. and on that day, we were actively monitoring through various mechanisms the fact that people were having guns and getting pulled out of the crowd. so, we knew that there were guns going to be planned to be brought into d.c., and we knew

on that day that people had weapons. >> so, what do you make then of -- you were talking a little bit earlier about what you knew about what was going on online with some of these groups planning ahead of january 6th. what do ties between the white house and white house aides wl, whether it's the president himself, mark meadows, rudy giuliani, roger stone, and the white house ties to people who then we suspect or we know in some instances had ties to some of these groups? what does it tell you that the white house perhaps was in contact with roger stone about what was going on on january 6th? >> you will tell you, we had no intelligence or information suggesting that there were ties between the violent groups that were coming on january 6 and the white house at that time. since then there's a lot of work that's coming out of the january 6 committee, and we're learning more about potential ties. just like you, i'm a spectator will this space.

i'm looking forward to seeing what's coming out of it. but if it's true, it's very concerning. we also saw -- and we're not just talking about violent groups here. january 6, part of the untold story is the rise of the conspiracy theory movement that we all laughed about years ago. and they're serious now. not only are they serious, but they have an armed militia backing them. when you look at the two forces together, we have the mixed ideologies of what we call in homeland security a salad bar ideology. it becomes a dangerous threat environment. >> before i let you go, just to clarify, you're available to the committee but they have not asked you to testify in public. >> i'm available to the committee, and they know how to reach me if they need me. >> thanks very much for your time tonight, sir. really appreciate it. ahead, we're going to look at what the fbi director tells cnn concerns him most about the political violence here and abroad after today's tragic assassination of the former japanese prime minister and the

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fbi director christopher wray spoke to cnn today just hours after the assassination of former prime minister shinzo abe. he expressed concerns about the threat of more political violence back here at home. >> there are way, way too many people in today's world who are taking their very passionately held views and manifesting them through violence. >> i want to bring francis rooney back to the conversation. and joining us also, cnn national security analyst, and miles taylor, the former chief of staff to the homeland secretary in the trump white house. he's concerned what happened here that political assassination could easily spill over to the united states. what do you know about the state of that possibility today? >> we worked closely with director wray on this threat. and i don't want to sound alarmist, but i was saying

during the break that i think the light is blinking red right now in this country when it comes to the possibility of things like political assassinations. that sounds scary. that's not fear mongering or political talking point. it's a real public safety threat that we're seeing with the data. not only have we seen plots against supreme court justice kavanaugh or the governor of michigan or potentially the governor of virginia, let's not forget on january 6th, there were people who had it in their mind that they might assassinate the vice president of the united states. >> they literally said, hang mike pence. >> absolutely. when we look at when trump came into office and compare it to now, it's my assessment we've seen a tenfold increase in domestic threats and attitudes toward political violence. the fbi, that chris wray overseas, has investigations in all of its field offices across the countries. we're sees plots online and across borders just like with isis and al quaeda. and the dhs issued a terrorism advisory that said in the

lead-up to the midterms they're very worried about a spike in violence, driven partly by conspiracy theories. >> many members of congress have received multiple extremely ugly death threats. what does it mean to be someone who is a target of these threats? >> well, i mean, it didn't really bother me all that much. >> and you received death threats? >> yes. i counted 12 of them over the years. i got some for the impeachment and some for the op-ed saying we should accept the election and move on. that really steamed a lot of people in my area. when you look back to charlottesville, the culture started there. we're in a whole different world than we were at the end of the obama administration or clinton or bush or whatever. and now people are anesthetized to violence. >> a recent poll showed that one in ten republicans believe that force and violence would be

justified to restore donald trump to the white house. one in ten. we're talking about millions of people that said he should be forcibly reinstalled. that's a huge increase in attitudes towards political violence. >> one of the things that's so severe about this current problem is that the potential for violence reaches all levels of people in public life. so, i've talked to members of congress, sitting members of congress, who are receiving these threats constantly both in their capitol position and back home in their districts. we heard testimony in the january 6 hearings from the former secretary -- the current secretary of state of georgia and the senior election officials in georgia who were just inundated with threats to them and their families. from the most senior levels in that state election offices down to people who are simply election workers, people who are just serving in public service, regular, everyday people who are the subject of these threats. it ranges from federal lawmakers to state lawmakers to governors to people in state legislatures

to people just working in public service. and all of them are wrapped up in this environment of potential political violence. the moment is here. it's not something that is in the future that director wray is projecting might happen. these people are constantly under threat. >> right. i mean, i think back to those two georgia election workers who, you know, the one said she can't even use her name when she goes to the grocery store. she's afraid to go out. her life is just absolutely -- >> and you can't work anymore. >> right. >> that's the thing. we have to have people who are willing to serve in these positions of elected office and in these positions of civil service across these states and across the federal government. and if they're in constant fear, they won't do those jobs. >> i think it becomes so intense about the maga group and the extremists and the conspiracy people that a lot of people that might never commit a crime in their life may wind up doing it because they're caught up in this way. >> that's remarkably scary. miles, what do you think this means for a potential trump

re-election bid? i mean, we've been talking tonight about how he may want to announce very soon -- he's talked about doing it before the midterm elections. his people are urging him to wait until after that. if he does run for re-election, what does that do in term of animating these groups that see themselves as his supporters or enforcers? >> i have to go back to the lessons we know from the terrorist threats we faced after 9/11. how do those movements evolve? this will tell us a lot about what we need to worry about. those movements evolved from lies and conspiracies that got main streamed in cultures where those political grievances, people couldn't exercise them in the system, and they used violence to exercise the grievances. when we look at the gop base, the fringe conspiracy theories are believed by half the base. half of republicans now statistically believe in qanon conspiracies and the great replacement theory and the stolen election lie. a subset of them are going to

resort to violence. and if trump runs again, counterterrorism history tells us that we're likely to see more violence because of that. >> the only thing i would add to that is i don't view it as just a trump problem and him running again. there are numerous other members, either sitting members of congress or people who want to serve in the congress who are running almost on a platform of violence, posing with armed weapons, the commercials that we've seen. so, it's not just specific to him, this attitude of acceptance of violence and really incitement of violence is spreading across the political party. >> it's glorification and acceptance of violence. thank you all for a great conversation tonight. coming up here, the rare and intense irs audits for both james comey and his number two, andrew mccabe. were they the targets of political payback with a trump appointee in charge? former irs commissioner who served under presidents trump

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that the january 6th committee did not ask him if he told cassidy hutchinson on january 6th that quote they would get charged with every crime imaginable, end quote, if they went to the capitol. the sources say if asked he would not have confirmed that particular statement. a separate source tells cnn quote the select committee sought information on trump going to the capitol on january 6th. implying that the committee's questions were focused on cipollone's perspective as opposed to his take on other people's testimonies. i am sure we will see more of this on tuesday. now, concerns that the trump administration may have weaponnized the irs. that is the question after the "new york times" report that two of trumps foes were the subjects of intensive and extremely rare tax audits. the "times" put the probability

of their 2016 and 2019 tax reforms respectfully being chosen at one in 82 million. yikes. given the growing scrutiny the irs commissioner asked the treasure department inspector general to conduct the review. in a statement the irs denies there were any quote politically motivated audits and called the idea untrue. >> thank you for being with us tonight. i think all of us have many, many, many questions about this. andrew mccabe responded to it. i want to show you what he had to say and get your reaction, take a look.

>> it is not ludicrous, americans need to know they are conducting their responsibilities in a fair manner and it may not be happening. >> do you think it is ludicrous, there might be something foul afoot here? >> normally, just two people who live inside the same neighborhood or worked at the same company we would not be having these conversations. but the fact that both comey and mccabe had been fired about trump and said terrible things and they were traitors and they should go to jail makes it important to make sure nothing untured was done. what they audited it is a program that has been around for years and designed to test the compliance rate in the united states. so, having one person that ran

the fbi selected and then two years later his deputy selected, it does seem to be worth asking a question about just who ensures that mccabe said that the public is confident that every taxpayer is treated fairly, nobody is targeted and nothing like this can actually happen. so, i have great confidence in the irs workforce. they are all career employees. only the commissioner and the chief council are political appointees and they all know well it is a criminal violation just to look at another taxpayer's return if you are not authorized let alone to do anything with it. i think it is important, as i said all along, for the inspector general to take a look at this and to report to the irs and to the public what happened and it should be a straightforward review. there are great and numerous controls around the process to make sure that something like this does not happen. and i think as i thought about it in my four years as commissioner in the last few days, it

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>> you, too. >> this is dom lemon tonight. more than seven hours. seven hours. that is how long cipollone was behind doors talking to january 6th committee. more than seven hours. you can ask and frankly you can answer a lot of questions in seven plus hours. that could amount to what? hundreds of pages of transcript? what exactly went on behind closed doors for all of that seven hours? what did the committee learn from the trump white house council? >> mr. cipollone did appear voluntarily and answer a variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses. and i think we did learn a few things which we will be rolling out in hearings to come. >> my ears perked up on the idea answering questis,