more than seven hours. seven hours. that is how long cipollone was behind doors talking to january 6th committee. more than seven hours. you can ask and frankly you can answer a lot of questions in seven plus hours. that could amount to what? hundreds of pages of transcript? what exactly went on behind closed doors for all of that seven hours? what did the committee learn from the trump white house council? >> mr. cipollone did appear voluntarily and answer a variety of questions. he did not contradict the testimony of other witnesses. and i think we did learn a few things which we will be rolling out in hearings to come. >> my ears perked up on the idea answering questions, so, now, congress

woman went on to say that not contradicting is not the same as confirming. more on that. and two people familiar with cipollone's testimony says the committee did not ask him if he told hutchinson that they would quote get charged with every crime imaginable, unquote, if they went to the capitol. he would not have confirmed that, apparently, confirmed that statement if they had asked the question. you also heard the congresswoman say that some of what they learned from pat cipollone today will roll out in the future hearings to come. will we be hearing and seeing? remember it was videotaped as well some of his testimony as soon as next week? and will the former president be watching? you got to figure this is one witness that he really, really hoped would not cooperate with this committee. >> our committee is certain

that donald trump does not want mr. cipollone to testify here. >> i want to bring in ryan nobles here tonight. ryan, good to see you. seven hours, first of all, a long time. we are told he answered some questions. you got new information on his critical interview with the committee today. what can you tell us, ryan? >> in the last hour we learned quite a bit about what went on in this interview with pat cipollone that as you mentioned went on for more than seven hours. i am told from sources that he was asked questions about his view of donald trump's conduct on january 6th and whether or not it was responsible for him to go to the capitol on that day. and, also, the committee believes that cipollone was able to help them put together a picture of what donald trump was part of and not springing into action when trouble was happening at

the capitol on that day. now, sources close to pat cipollone say they took issue with this idea he did not contradict the testimony that i should say from other witnesses, hutchinson in particular. there were questions that the committee did not even ask him, they did not ask him about the conversation that he had with hutchinson about the legal ramifications about going to the capitol on that day. but the committee says that this interview was focused more on cipollone's perspective of the day. the conduct he witnessed and the advice that he gave. so, there is a little bit of back and forth of interpretation as to how this interview was conducted. in the grand scream of things the committee believes they learned a lot and they also, a preview, that we should expect to see much of this testimony in clips in the hearings that are to come. >> really important point about the idea of one we always talk about as

lawyers you never want to answer a question you know the answer to, but you don't want to ask questions that you want. even though transparency is the goal. and the idea of perspective, so important. his whole job here in testifying is not to see how he felt. hutchinson testified about conversations people like meadows while rioters were storming the capitol. listen to this. >> i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to go down to see the president now. and mark looked up and said he does not want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of and very clearly, said this to mark, something to the effect of mark something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood is going to be

on your effing hands. >> let's remember, he is getting dozens of text messages around this same time pleading for the president to do something. donald trump jr writing he has to condemn this asap, this is one you go to the mattresses on. they are going to try to eff this legacy if it gets worse. and writing in all caps, tell them to go home. i am using their words, of course, not mine. but pat cipollone he had a front row seat to critical events, talking seven hours today. the question is around the 187 minutes while the attack unfolded and despite all of the calls trump did north something this is the heart of the testimonial matter, right? >> i don't think there is any doubt about that, laura. that is what i was told by sources told tonight, they truly believe

that cipollone helps to piece it together. cipollone was among a small group of people in and out of that presidential dining room where he was holding court, where he was watching television and watching the whole riot play out. and seemingly not taking action to try to quail the violence that was taking place on january 6. that could be a big part of what we see in the testimony in the days to come. these clips of cipollone talking about that experience. it is important to keep in mind that if, you know, through sources he is attempting on some level refute hutchinson's testimony, she said this under oath, on national television, millions of people saw what she had to say. but also, pat cipollone as the white house council has's more important role than an aide to the chief of staff, his perspective, what he saw was a firsthand witness, that is

what the committee believes he is, that ultimately could become the most important testimony that we have seen up to this point in this investigation by the january 6th select committee. >> ryan, well stated. thank you very much, i want to turn to the nixon white house council, john dean and watergate prosecutor, glad to have you both here tonight. it is really important about just the gravity assigned to a testimony from one, like a white house counsel. more than seven hours, i know compared to the way you testified in watergate and several days, eight hours a day it might seem like small potatoes, but the seven hours do you think it would of lasted that long if he was just saying privilege or the fifth, like flynn did at that moment in time. this means there was meat on the bone, right?

>> i think there was given the time span involved. i can tell you from personal experience, decades later, i gave about 60,000 words in about seven hours of testimony. so, you can cover a lot of ground and it is very difficult for us at this stage to tease out what was or what was not really confirmed or what new information the committee, i think, smartly, is holding it very close to its vest. congresswoman did hint he was cooperative, there were no serious conflicts that appeared to her. but i think that is generally what we would want to hear. i think it is a good day for everybody. the investigation is going forward. it appears they have solid new evidence and we will have to stay tuned, laura. >> we will, nick, i want to turn to you, i want to play a key moment from

cassidy hutchinson's testimony, listen to this. >> and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy, keep in touch with me, we are going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that move happen. >> do you remember which crimes mr. cipollone was concerned with. >> in the days leading up to the 6th we had conversations about obstruction of justice. >> the committee did not specifically ask cipollone about that comment from hutchinson. many people are wondering why wouldn't you ask that question? what were you afraid of being charged? why not ask the question, do you think? >> well, i think they may have asked the question. we don't know for sure that

that question in substance was not asked. i mean certainly they could of asked it even going another way around it by just bringing out the fact that donald trump wanted to go up there. that cipollone was concerned about various violations and where it would put trump in terms of being at the capitol. but i think a lot of there can be brought out by other things that cipollone said, did and knew. the overall point being one, he wanted to go to the capitol. two, it was a bad idea, three, he was not doing anything about the violence that is totally consistent with the idea that donald trump knew that his supporters had weapon with him. he knew that they could perpetrate violence at the capitol and he also knew that his vice president was not going to throw out the electoral vote. the only way he could stop it

was through the violence. so, not doing anything is consistent with the idea of letting the violence go ahead and letting the violence attempt to stop the count of the electoral vote. >> it is not one that is just plainly, all that wander are not lost. to go around the in the notion to get to the same point. the way we have seen, john, in many respects, to slice in, to confirm, i mean they learned new information tonight from pat cipollone. what would be the most damning thing? talking about the front row seat. he is in the room where it happens so much so that he would be the person who might have the ear of the president of the

united states. >> well, the most damaging thing in the question that you raised would probably be that trump was ready to lead an armed attack on the congress. i think in essence that is what he had in mind. some sort of malitia would go in and take control of the government. just crazy. but, donald trump is not known for his sound thinking about how government should operate or he should operate. could be anything. the best thing today, cipollone himself, talking to the committee, the committee is satisfied that is good for pat cipollone. we all hope he revealed information that tells us what happened that day

and it will be a good day for the country. too. >> of course he was the white house counsel at the time. the nature of his position he is supposed to think about the institution, the integrity of it in the long run. one would hope honesty was there. nick to you, cipollone, we talk a lot about january 6th, understandably so, but he was in that meeting on january 3rd when he was considering making jeffrey clark the acting ag and donahue testified that cipollone called the letter falsely claimed that found evidence of election fraud he called it a murder- suicide pact. what do you think the committee may of asked about it from that meeting today. that is a pretty important moment. going through it in pretty much good detail is my guess. good detailed testimony already from jeff rosen, the acting attorney, they had it from his

deputy. they knew all of the details. i get the sense, also, that cipollone, back a month or two ago basically told them what happened on that occasion. there is no executive privilege there. everything was already revealed. so i think that cipollone did give a detailed account of what happened at that moment all of which related to all other aspects of what donald trump was doing with the phony electors, the effort to try to get the states to send new electors that would be pro trump as opposed to the biden electors that were rightfully elected by the states. it relates to everything else we know leading up to the meeting and what happened after the meeting. i would not be surprise if they

actually started there and moved out from that meeting. >> yes. something that we are thinking, to know what hutchinson or rosen said on the record he, too, could be watching it. not like a regular trial not knowing what the person is saying, he is now virtually in the room where the hearings are happening. he would have an interest in knowing what to get right. thank you, gentleman, nice to talk to both of you. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. the question now really is, i mean, just how damaging and impactful or persuasive could pat cipollone's testimony, i want to know how much is he tell something plus, the director of the fbi tells cnn their investigation of january 6th will follow the facts wherever they lead. >> we will have to act, that is the rule of law. that is what the rule of law is all about. >> does that mean anybody,

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seven hours of videotaped transcribed testimony to the january 6th committee. it happened behind closed doors but it happened. he was one of a handful of people in the dining room where the then president watched the capitol riot unfold on the tv. what does it mean to get this glimpse into the trump inner circle on a day like that? joining me now to discus, the author of the book "the fight for his life: inside the joe biden white house". >> nice to have you here today. people are wondering if his testimony might be a john dean moment, obviously john dean and cipollone both white house counsel in different era is and presidents, what do you think now what we are hearinga the this moment and what does it mean for his inner circle the fact that he even presented

himself to give testimony? >> well, it could be devastating. we are going to find out pretty soon. but, i think that it is important that we should not run out and lionize him. i was interested to hear my friend john dean giving him brownie points, but he came forward reluctantly, he is a trump loyalist. he was all part of the shake down, denying weapon unless he got dirt on joe biden. we should not forget all of that. so it is hard to say. but, having said all of that you have to sympathize with the guy in his position. i used to think that the worst job imaginable was being donald trump's white house chief of staff. he told me take everything you know and multiply it by 50. but imagine being donald trump's white house counsel. who in his right mind would sign up for that job?

so, you know, a little sympathy is in order here. and obviously, he knows a lot and. it could be devastating for trump, meadows and the rest of the inner circle. >> i mean you wrote the book, really, on president chief's of staff, knowing how important their role would be if you were a mark meadows. you are right about the importance, about, in this context, of the person's job to legally advise the president particularly things like handing over the keys to the castle because they say it is time to do so. the committee member says cipollone did not contradict hutchinson's testimony, said that, and revealed new information. you know what the discussions can be like, can you explain a little bit about the kind of access that a cipollone may of had compared to a mark meadows would of had. would it have been an intimate

one-on-one moment in terms of the white house and council for cipollone and meadows may have been outside of the room? >> i would say next to mark meadows, he will know more than anybody about what went on in the oval office. maybe you could put kushner and ivanka there as well. he would know a lot. he, obviously, is being careful about what he shares with the committee and so we will just have to see how that turns out. you know what is fascinating to me about cipollone and i write on this in my up coming book, is during the final days of the trump white house there were a number of staffers in the west wing who were trying to make the peaceful transfer of power take place. they were doing it sometimes secretly, you know, under trump's nose.

cipollone was clearly one of those people. you have to ask yourself, given the horrors of january 6th if maybe he should of pushed back sooner and harder. >> that is the question that everyone is asking and wondering. you are talking about not giving brownie points or awards for simply showing up at a time like this. i know your book goes into that deeper. questions about that even more: >> thank you very much. >> great to be with you. the fbi director is speaking to cnn and the fbi director is warning about the rise in political violence. stay with us to find out more there are way, way too many people in today's world who are taking their very passionately held views and going to violence

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at everyone who may have had a role in what happened january 6th. >> january 6th was a reflection of a brooder phenomenal that we see in our country today that there are way, way too many people who are willing to take their political grievances, ernestly felt and manifest them through violence. and, in our system there is a right way and a wrong way to express when you are angry or upset about something. does not matter if you are upset about an election, upset about a trial, upset about the criminal justice system, upset about any issue. the case of january 6th, those things plus interference with a sacred part of our constitutional process then we are going to have to act. that is the rule of law. that is what the rule of law is all about. >> does it mean anybody, anybody who was involved at all levels? >> so we are going to follow

the facts wherever they lead. no matter who likes it. we are going to follow the law. i am not going to comment on any spectacular individual who may or may not be under investigation. we will let the facts speak for themselves as the investigations develop. if there are charges against individuals the public will see that through the charges through the justice department. >> evan, you asked ray about people at all levels there. we know the next public hearing from the committee is focusing on extremists, right? and connections that might thereby to the white house. are they ready to prosecute if evidence is shown during the hearings and evidence of that connection, are they going to go there? >> look, i think what he is opening the door, leaving the door open for is to follow exactly that path if that evidence is

there. and you have heard this from the deputy attorney general that told us this year that they are going to look at there effort to put up fake electors. we saw in recent weeks, we saw some of the subpoenas being delivered, we saw federal agents raiding the home of jeffrey clark who was very much involved in all of this effort. you see, you are familiar with how the justice department works and they go from the bottom up. they have plenty of time to investigate. i know there are a lot of people who are impatient with the pace of this but you can tell chris ray and some of the other officials overseeing this they have a lot of patience because they want to make sure they get it right. if you get to that level you want to make sure you have everything right. >> i did notice he made the statement, follow the facts no matter who likes it, a close cousin to the idea of without favor or political

favor just following the facts. you heard from ag garland time and time again and commenting on the july 4th parade shooting in highland park, illinois. what did he tell you about that tragedy? >> you know, one of the interesting things about this conversation, laura, is that he brought it back to, you know, the fight that the fbi and the justice department had on their hands with radicalization from foreign terrorist groups, isis and some of those groups. and he compare today to the same thing we are living with these mass shootings by people, some of them who are inspired by racism, anti-semitism, antiblack, bias, and, you know, this is what they are dealing with because, you know, as we have heard in the july 4th shooting reportedly this person was able to get guns. despite the fact that there were clear signs he should not have been

able to. what ray told me today was they are trying to apply some of the same tactics that they used then to this current problem. obviously it is a different issue, right? there are no material support law that could get you to get, to cut off some of the people before they strike. but he says, you know, we want people to if they see something wrong with a family member they need to say something. that is the only way the fbi and prosecutors will be able to stop the next uvalde, the next highland park. >> there is that see something, say something, and then of course the government, to do something about what has been told, you know. only you can look this sharp in 3:00 in the morning in london. >> thank you. >> nice seeing you. president bid biden is

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president biden signing an executive order today aimed at protecting abortion rights. it attempts to safe guard access to emergency contception and protect patient privacy and bolster opinions and options available to patients and doctors. it comes after pressure has mounted on the president to take action after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade just last month. the president's decision was a call for women to head to the polls. >> when you read the decision the court has made clear. it will not protect the rights of women. period. period. after having made the decision based on a reading of a document that was

frozen in time in 1860s when woman did not even have the right to vote. the court now, now, particular dares woman to go to the ballot box and restore the rights they just have taken away. >> for more i want to bring in wendy davis, i am so glad you are here. a lot of people were focusing on this issue out of texas long before we knew about the dobbs decision or overturning roe v. wade, and as you know, wendy, biden's order list a few goals, you can see them on the screen. the question many of them have is how are they intending to be able to accomplish this? much of it is left, of course, to the health and human services department. how far is this going to go in actually protecting abortion rights, do you think? >> you know, laura, i think what the executive order did today was try to create

clarification of protection around people who are able to leave states where abortion is illegal and travel to other states to receive that care. protecting the confidentiality of their google searches or for the doctor that might treat a patient from another state. it falls short of protecting people who need care in states like mine who can not afford the privilege and luxury of being able to travel. we know that most women who access abortion care are low income, near their 20s, and most of them already have children. and the hurdles they face in traveling hundreds of miles to receive care are overwhelming. i understand that president biden is encouraging us all to vote. and i know people are feeling incredibly motivated to vote as a consequence of there decision. and our anger and our upset

about it are one thing, but i do also believe that we need to see democrats fighting with every tool possible to motivate us to step up and get behind democrats who are running because we believe that they are going to bring solutions to the table. >> what are those changed tactics you are talking about? the idea of fight, what does the fight look like? obviously the white house has some constraints in terms of what it can put forth because of obvious powers but what do you think at the state level in particular. one of the things that have been suggested that the white house should allow abortion services on federal land, now, biden dismissed this idea but is that one vehicle? one area to do that in? >> you know, i think that it is. and i think it is something that should be tested. what i find so interesting, laura, and frustrating as a person who has

been involve inside partisan politics for a long time is that republicans do not worry about the rules before they proceed headlong into whatever it is they are hoping to achieve. and democrats we tend to be rule followers. we think of all of the hurdles in front of us before we decide we are going to take action rather than boldly moving forward and dealing with the hurdles as they come. and yes, there may be some significant hurdles when it comes to using federal properties for providing abortion care or telemedicine abortion care to women. there also has been a suggestion that a public health emergency could be declared so doctors out of state could provide telemedicine support to women who live in anti-abortion states like mine. and i think these have to be explored and we should be testing every boundary possible and taking them wherever they may lead us. at the very least,

demonstrating we are going to fight and go to the mat for people who will need this care and will not be able to receive it. >> wendy, if we learned anything from what has happened late last summer related to abortion laws in texas or what we have seen from the supreme court as of late, it seems that it is an advantageous tactic to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. and, as we are talking about the rights of women we must include the fact that there are girls, minors who are also impacted by these decisions, crimes committed against them where they find themselves having to find resources that are not there and means to travel as minors to try to access care. thank you, wendy, i want the reminder to remain in people's minds. >> absolutely. japan's longest serving prime minister

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. president biden mourning prime minister who was shot and killed while giving a speech in central japan. orders flags mast. >> even after he stepped down from public office, to focus on his health, he stayed engaged. he cared deeply and i hold him in great respect. >> sending shock waves across japan, a country with one of the strictest gun laws. >> reporter: a campaign speech in central

japan, one of many in the long career of former japanese leader shinso abe, the countries longest serving prime minister, laying on the ground bleeding profusely by injuries to his neck. a team of 20 doctors unable to tackled by security. police say he had a hand made gun and similar pistol-like items in his home. they're inviestigating his motive. >> translator: the suspect confessed he had committed the act as he had a grudge against the specific organization and believed former prime minister abe was part of it. >> reporter: a shooting like this is almost unthinkable in japan. guns are striblgt lystrictly co here. it's a long and complicated

process to buy one including classes, background checks, mental health evaluations and screenings. in japan there were only ten shootings last year with only one death. in the united states, that figure higher. according to the gun violence archive, firearms were responsible for more than 45,000 deaths last year in the united states. keep in mind japan has 40% of the u.s. population. the u.s. is also eclipsing japan in the number of guns in the country. in japan there are 0.3 guns for every 100 people. in the u.s. 120 guns thanks is more guns than people. disbelief on the streets of tokyo. a crime most people here only hear about in other countries, not their own. >> translator: it's unbelievable to see an attack like this in japan, which is very safe. it's unbelievable that somebody was walking around with a gun like that. >> translator: there are many

gun crimes happening abroad, but i never imagined it would happen in japan. >> reporter: at the scene of the shooting, mourners laid flowers for the former leader. some shedding tears for the man who was widely admired at times controversial and one whose death weighs heavily on a country unfamiliar with the grief of gun violence. for decades, japanese>> there af questions about what will be changing in japan, a is so safe. big city, small town, you see young kids going to school as young as 5 years old taking the subway because it's that safe. that's why this crime is shocking and unsettling for people that live in japan and those who know that country and love that country.

>> even in a country where we have a far more pervasive problem with guns, it's still stunning to see this. will, abe was the longest serving prime minister in japan and he was still very much a leading political figure. i mean, he was giving a stump speech when he was assassinated. do we know if this is a factor in the suspect's motive for the shooting? >> it's a good question. there are more than 90 police officers on this case and they've been interrogating this suspect, this 4 1-year-old unemployed man and he said that his motivation was not shinzo abe's politics. he specifically said that's not why he held a grudge against him. he held a grudge because he thought abe was part of some unspecified organization that his mother may have donated a lot of money to and thought shinzo abe was somehow connected with that and therefore he felt he needed to assemble home made weapons, shoot him and assassinate him.

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from his informal interview before but that it wouldn't have been worth the risk. >> perhaps, also, follow up on that point you're here to tell us about your perspective, not just credibility of other testimony. that might be part of the focus. a source telling cnn the committee actually was focused on the prospective, not just the testimony saying and i quote, mr. cipollone provided a great deal of new information relevant to the select committee's investigation, which further under scores president trump's sup supreme duty. that's a huge compocomponent, r? >> is that for me? >> yes. >> yes, it is r