years old. those images is 13 billion light years away. some of these galaxies, these beautiful dots, you can almost feel the motion, right? they're so massive they actually bend light from other galaxies, which you can see in the center of your screen. the light is actually bent. this image is a spec. just to give you perspective, it is a speck of the universe. this picture would be about the size of a grain of sand if you held it up to the sky. talk about perspective. thanks for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with new reporting on january 6. they plan their seventh hearing tomorrow. cnn confirms that they plan connections between extremist groups and associates roger stone and others. they are also learning about a specific meeting from former white house counsel patsy pallone and what he told them of the last hearing. we saw former insider top chief

of staff mark meadows testified that he knew the mob he was about to incite and send marching to the capital was armed. >> i was in the vicinity where i heard a conversation and the president said something to the effect of, i don't care that they have weapons. >> cassidy hutchinson testifying under oath about that. she testified to the president's eagerness to join the mob at the capitol. also, his counsel's horror at the prospect and his fears being charged with, according to her, every crime imaginable. hard to imagine what happens next. in a moment, stephanie murphy will be handling some of the questions. first, new reporting on what to expect tomorrow and also an item on what the former white house counsel was asked about in testimony on friday. we are joined now. what have you learned about patsy pallone's testimony? >> everybody wants to know what

he told the committee during his lengthy deposition. he was with the committee for more than seven hours, i should say. we are told that one of the things the committee asked him about was a meeting that took place in the white house in mid- december. it was a gathering of election deniers were theories return about discussing ways to overturn the election. he was a part of that meeting and we are told that he described what he viewed as an insane meeting that he did not want to be a part of. the question is, will we see part of that deposition during tomorrow's hearing? committee members say we should expect to hear from him as they set the stage for how the role extremist groups played in the attempt to overturn the election and the capitol riot that took place on january 6. cnn has learned that the generous six committee is zeroing in on a key link. the extremist group ties to trump associates roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another

ally. telling the committee he would be willing to testify, but only in a live public setting. they believe it is a stunt to wiggle out from charges, but a federal judge on monday declined the request to postpone the trial for next week. >> i expect we will be hearing from them. many questions that we have for him. >> the committee has revealed a bevy of new information. among the biggest headlines, trump and his allies were made fully aware there is no evidence the election was stolen. >> i did not say what was happening necessarily as unprofessional. >> reporter: she knew that he did not win and did not have the evidence to back it up. to subvert the will of the voters extended all the way to the states where he personally pressured voters to help with this effort. the committee also revealed that trump knew his supporters were armed and planning to be

violent, but directed them to the capitol anyway. >> overheard the president say something to the effect of i do not -- care that they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me. take the -- bags away. they can get in from here. let my people in. take the -- away. >> reporter: he ignored his advisers that there was no fraud and instead tried to install an attorney general who would do his bidding. >> i recall towards the end saying what you are proposing is nothing less than the united states justice department meddling in a presidential election. >> reporter: is now under scrutiny for attempts to under turn the election. >> reporter: witnesses say trump did not seem to be bothered by the mob. his response to the violence leading several officials to quit and others quietly

considering a plan to invoke the 25th amendment. >> there was a large concern of the 25th amendment potentially being invoked. there were concerns about what would happen in the senate if it was the 25th, if it was invoked. >> what else to expect to hear tomorrow in terms of testimony? >> reporter: we know that there will be live witness testimony tomorrow. we now know the names of two individuals that will appear before the committee. one of them will be jason totten of. a former spokesperson for the oath keepers. the right wing extremist group that was a part of the activity that took place here on january 6. he was not a member, but he described himself as a paid propagandist and knows a lot about the history of the organization. we're learning tonight of another person scheduled to testify. that is stephen ayres. he is an individual that

described, and court documents, as part of a proceeding, where he ended up pleading guilty to entering the capitol illegally, he is essentially being radicalized on the internet and came to believe that donald trump had the election stolen from him. that was part of the reason that he came to the capitol on january 6. this is just part of the effort that the committee hopes to do as they tried to paint a picture as to why the violence took place here on january 6. and, of course, anderson, who is ultimately responsible. >> thanks. with this now, stephanie murphy. thanks for being with us. you heard the reporting about the december 18, 2020 meeting in the white house. i know you won't or can't reveal many details tonight, but can you say whether trump white house counsel pat cipollone has enhanced the councils understanding of the meeting? >> mr. cipollone was a critical player in the white house and has provided us with a lot of relevant information to the activities that were occurring in the white house in the run- up to january 6. we are thankful that he came to speak

with our committee. >> you think we can expect to hear his comments or some of his comments on video tomorrow? >> like we haven't so many previous hearings, we really like to tell the story through the voices of the republican staff members and white house members that had first-hand experience of these situations and certainly, mr. cipollone will be one of those voices. >> in terms of these right wing extremist groups ties to register and michael flynn, that will be a focus tomorrow, or at least a part. can you say what outstanding questions you have about the roles of those two men in particular? >> what is really important about tomorrow is that we are going to lay out the evidence that we have already collected about the roles of those two men , as well as the violent extremists. it is really up to the american people to decide what kind of connectivity and culpability people in the white house, including the president, had,

for when these folks together and what resulted on january 6. >> do you think people will be surprised, if you are flushing out the details of roger stone and michael flynn's role and connections, do you think people will be surprised by what they hear, is this new information? >> i think that our hearings always have surprises. so, i insist that tomorrow's hearing will be nothing short of that. >> is not magically willing to testify, preferably at a public hearing. what are your thoughts on that? obviously, he likes to create a spectacle. is it clear to you how the committee is going to handle steve bannon? >> i do not comment on the committee's negotiations with his lawyers, nor do i comment on doj activities. what i will say is that the

terms for how you appear before a congressional committee that has subpoenaed you. also we do not allow folks to use our committee as a platform for misinformation. there is a lot of information we would like to get. i certainly hope we can find a way to do that. >> i want to play a clip that we obtained which was not in the documentary when former president trump was talking about trying to overturn the resulting georgia back on december 7, 2020. a week after attorney general bill barr said there was no evidence of election fraud. i just want to play this for the viewers. >> they should open it up, verify the signatures. when you do, you will see that all of those people that signed didn't have the right to vote. they were forgeries and other things. and all we want is that. that is simple. or a special session to let their legislature make the decision because they are

already largely on our side because they see what happened in georgia. >> the filmmaker told jake tapper earlier today this is interest in fulton county, georgia. is my understanding this has been shared with the committee. does it impact the investigation anyway? do you find this interesting? >> this is one of many conspiracy theories that the president continued to press despite the fact that his white house counsel, as well as the department of justice and state election officials had debunked. it did not matter to the president that nobody had evidence of fraud. and they repeatedly told him again and again and again there was no fraud. yet, he still pressed these conspiracy theories. i think what is interesting is, as expensive as our investigation has been, we are yet to come up with anybody who has been able to give us evidence of fraud.

>> we appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> great to be with you. >> more about what they could impose. joining us now, a professor of history. author of your home, the white power movement and paramilitary in america. so, the committee tries to connect the dots between extremist groups and the people in trump's orbit who were trying to overturn the election. what kind of.will you be looking to connect? >> there are two main functions i am looking for tomorrow. this is critical for a lot of reasons. these big committee hearings, criminal trials, and other moments where we get to see how the underground white power movement and militant right is working. these are rare opportunities. i will be looking, not only for the ties between extremist groups and the trump administration, which is important for holding them

accountable. but also for the ties between the extremist groups themselves . too often, we get the sense of these groups as disjointed and unorganized. operating without connection to one another. we should see them as kind of a groundswell that is posing a threat to the nation. >> as you know, a former spokesman, self-described propagandist for the oath keepers is expected to testify tomorrow. have you heard of this guy? do you think he has the ability to shed light on the pertinent issues at hand here? >> based on how these hearings have gone so far, i think that the committee will only bring testimony forward that will have the ability to shed light on what happened that day. how we tell the story is critically important. part of the answer is that some

in the trump administration, perhaps the former president himself, thought of these groups as sort of fellow military strike forces, informal security, or possibly even militias that he could use in an informal way for his own purposes. in the style of such units in latin america for instance. part of this is that these groups were never in control of anyone and continue to pose a threat whether or not trump is held accountable. one thing that will be very important to find out tomorrow is whether the kind of accountability that many people hope for in regards to the former president will be sufficient to really a hold of this problem and the threat it poses to our country. >> it is so interesting i looking back, you get a sense of how the former president viewed that group, the proud boys, in that debate with biden that chris wallace moderated. she said, you know, off-the-

cuff. said to stand back and stand by . he could command them to, you know, not disband, but just hand by until they are needed. >> absolutely. the thing is that a call to arms like that is very important . it has been very important to groups in the white power movement. i am not convinced at all that there has ever been enough unity of purpose that could be called back down again. i think a standout command is harder to give any standby command. not sure that these groups were in anyone's control or have a unified sense of purpose. that means we have to be on the lookout for two kinds of threats posed by these groups. one, the threat to our political process, which i think is the main focus of the hearings tomorrow. that is the threat to voting

and the idea of america as a democratic society. the other threat is the threat of guerrilla warfare and people trying to go out and create a white f no state, which is also at play here in the underground. >> the person who planted pipe bombs has still not been identified. given all the prosecutions that have taken place, that is startling and speaks to the underground nature of this. thank you so much. we appreciate it. more on what steve bannon might be up to. later, the mothers of children of students at robb elementary school. telling us what the kids tell them during the 77 minutes it took police to confront the mass killer. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena®

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the committee, to me, has done a very effective job as playing him as essentially a traitor to the united states. he has become angry that there is nobody out there defending him. he has changed and given steve bannon the letter and permission to go testify. what he would like to happen, certainly what bannon would like to happen, and this is the second motivation is to create a spectacle as big as possible in order to undermine the credibility of the committee, which is really very impressive. democrats like bennie thompson, liz cheney. clearly, people are watching and paying attention to this. what he is trying to do is essentially be a bomb to blow this whole thing up. i think that is why he is so eager to testify live, so that he can begin to counteract a lot of the effect that the committee has had so far on public opinion. >> a federal judge denied his request for the contempt of congress trial to be delayed.

how much is your view of his willingness to testify connected to the outcome of the criminal case? >> it is very connected. and and is now facing the consequences of the decisions he made last year when he decided to spurn the subpoena. back then, it was a way to get attention. when it became time to get arraigned in the federal courthouse, he brought a camera crew with them and stopped mid walk to give an interview to his podcast viewers and listeners. this is a way to get attention. with the reality of this trial moving next week, they're doing everything they can to stall that. the judge set a couple of things today. they're not going to delay the trial. the judge denied bannon's attempt to call nancy pelosi as a witness. you can imagine the spectacle that would create. the judge also said that he cannot say that he defied the subpoena on the advice of his defense counsel. he is really running out of

options here to avoid running into some consequences for the decision made and how he decided to show his loyalty. everything is coming there now. he has woken up and recognizes that. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the judge is actually a trump-appointed judge. >> i think that goes a long way to showing just how outlandish or specious a lot of the legal claims bannon and his team are making are. he has claimed executive privilege even a trump fired him from the white house for years before the january 6th attack. not a lot of legal experts put much stock in that. at least where things stand today after the judge waiting, he is going to face a reckoning as soon as next week. he will get to test those claims in court. >> if convicted, what kind of time, what kind of punishment is he facing? does any kind of punishment

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through the previous january 6 committee hearings, there have been no end to the revelations about the former president's conduct including on the day of attack. the former president told him during a phone call to just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and republican congressman. as mentioned earlier, another witness, cassidy hutchinson, knew that protesters were coming to the capital and he knew they were armed and wanted them anyway. republican reactions to the proceedings have been largely muted. a fascinating new book called thank you for your servitude. donald trump washington in the price of submission. there are so many fascinating details and revelations in this book. one term that keeps coming up over and over is the joke that he was in on the joke. can you explain what the joke is? >> when i have written about washington before, so and so

gets the joke. you know what we are trying to do here. is not going to say it on the record. when i wrote my last with about washington, the joke was that senator so and so and republican senator so-and-so, they are all in business together. they're going to get rich. the joke now among republicans that i've talked to and still talk to is that donald trump is not fit to be president. what they say privately about him is so stunningly different from what they will say adoringly in public about him. that has become the joke. unfortunately, we are kind of living it. >> anecdote after anecdote in the book about republicans lindsey graham, marco rubio, ted cruz, who, you know, give dire warnings about donald trump when they were running against him, only to become the most loyal supporters. it is this endless question of what is it? fear of your base? fear of the president? why? >> fear of losing, fear of losing a parking space.

i don't know what it is. there is a lot of psychology. it is fascinating character study. why are we still here, why are we still talking to january 6? why does this exist? if this was a normal world, he lost after a few days and it was evident. mitch mcconnell, kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham would just say congratulations, president-elect biden. eventually, he would probably get the message. they strung along and suddenly cops were getting beat up and bludgeoned by rioters. they could have distanced themselves any moment. it may have been difficult for a while, but he would have gone away. >> had these conversations around mccarthy. this is it. we're going to move on. nicole said so much publicly. suddenly, you have him moving the impeachment hearings back after the inauguration and then

republicans almost in lockstep saying he is former president. why do we have to impeach them? they had their easy answer. kevin mccarthy, eight days after the inauguration is going down to kiss the ring again to the guy who earlier that month had basically tried to have him and his colleagues killed. >> is there any shame? that is one of the things, as i am reading your book, there is no shame. >> that is the question. one of the lessons is the shamelessness, to a degree, is a superpower. one of the things that makes them dangerous and maybe successful is that he does not have fear of embarrassment or the fear of being revealed as a fraud. >> is not afraid to repeat a lie over and over and over again. he wears people down. >> saying this to a republican congress person who supports him still publicly. what was revealed about donald trump, the tapes that have come

out, you know, let's go down the list. the average person would be cowering under their bad. how humiliating. another day, they would have retired or resigned. >> former speaker paul ryan watching the right. >> former speaker of the house, he had a complicated relationship with donald trump. he basically lets congress 2018 , after you know, dealing with so much. i interviewed him a few months ago. he was sort of looking back at what had become. i was watching it and just found myself solving and breaking into tears. i knew these people. this is my security detail. these are my capitol police officers who protect me every day. i did not know what happened. were any of these tiers of complicity, guilt? you helped him get probably his signature legislation accomplished. but you're on the

board of fox news. >> that is still true. >> i do not doubt the sincerity when you say your eyes troubled by this as you were and are, but come on. he did not want to go there. he just wanted to talk about, you know -- he obviously reacted very emotionally. >> that story, you know, it is one of the stories people tell when it makes them look good in some quarters. then, the question which he then followed up with, he does want to go there. that is actually self reflective. >> is making a ton of money, presumably. i do not know the exact figure. fox is probably one of the -- one of the biggest reasons why he remains as viable as he does today. >> the book is fascinating. congratulations. out now. thank you for your servitude, donald trump's washington and the price of submission and what the price is. up next, the latest on the investigation to the mass

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ryan scott mclean in ukraine. this is cnn. during a white house event to celebrate the passage of a significant piece of gun safety legislation in about three

decades, president biden was interrupted by one of the attendees, manuel oliver, whose son was killed in the 2018 shooting in parkland, florida. >> despite the naysayers, we can make meaningful progress on dealing with gun violence. >> you have to do more. >> make no mistake. sit down, you will hear what i have to say. >> you have to do more. you have to do it at the white house. >> let me finish my comment. let him talk, let him talk, okay? >> in his remarks, president biden said that had this law been in place years ago, court, lives would've been saved. he also said that more needs to be done. and eufaula, texas, they passed a recommendation to ask the governor to raise the age limit for purchase of gestalt style rifles. the hope for elementary surveillance footage from

inside the school. the recently spoke with mothers of several of the children who survived, plus one of the children. what you are about to hear is graphic and difficult. >> he said he just saw the shooter come to the door until his teacher good night. and shot her. and then he just announced are you all ready to die? and just went crazy. >> reporter: for these women, mothers of children who describe survived the shooting, life will never be the same. >> i know what they enjoyed those whole 77 minutes, they should not have. >> teeth scattered on the floor. pools of blood so thick that to a child, it looked like red jell-o. these moms see the pain of that day live on through the eyes of their sons. >> one of the little girls that

he was laying by, you know, all he could hear was her gurgling, because she was trying to breathe, but she couldn't, because you know, she was shot. he could just hear her, you know, choking pretty much. >> he told you that? >> yeah. >> reporter: there is nothing -- >> nothing that they could do. >> reporter: witnesses to one of the countries worst school shootings and victims of a failed police response. for these mothers, guilt, regret, frustration. now, the realization that healing will be a long and difficult process. >> they could be fine one minute. and then another minute, totally, you know, a change of mood. >> it is like a switch that kicks on and immediately. you know, it can be something that we said to them or, you know, something drops, or you know, it's mel. >> we were eating barbecue the other day.

he was like what is that smell? the burns flat? like what is wrong? he just said i smell the smoky smell. that is the way they were in the classroom. because it was smoky in the room. that's what it was, all the gunpowder. >> i feel like my son is not going to be normal for several years because he is going to remember what happened that day and it's going to stick in his head for the rest of his life. >> reporter: her 10-year-old son jaden hid under a table in room 112. >> me and my friend were scared. we didn't want to talk or nothing. we covered our ears so we won't hear the gunshots. >> reporter: you covered your ears? were you hearing a lot of gunshots? >> me and my friend didn't have a lot of space, so we just tried not to move so he wants es. >> reporter: were you wondering

what was going on? why you had to be there for so long? >> yes. >> reporter: what were you thinking? >> i was thinking, what was going on, and i wanted to see, but i didn't want the gun man seeing me. >> reporter: seven weeks after the attack, parents are still begging for clear answers. they want to know why police waited in the hallway outside the classroom while the children were terrorized for more than an hour by the gunmen. >> he said he heard him outside. they were yelling and telling the shooter to come out. he was talking and laughing to himself. walking around. whenever he heard -- i don't know what little girl, call out officers. she called out, i am in here. he went over there and shot her. >> so the police were close enough to the door? where your kids could hear them?

>> yes. >> reporter: and the girl answers back we are in here and then he kills her? >> yes. >> reporter: and the police never going? >> there were still lives. there could have been more saved if they had gotten there faster and just gone in. you wear a badge. you have a gun. they should not be scared. >> when they got there, they were still outside waiting for a little bit. i was telling my friend, i was whispering to my friend that was falling asleep. >> reporter: is there anyone you miss? >> my cousin riley and my best friend jace. >> reporter: did they die? do you miss them? what kinds of things would you guys do together? >> when we would have recess, we would always play together

and play hide and seek or tag. >> reporter: do you feel comfortable talking about what happened? is it helping you? yeah? >> i feel a little bit happy because my friends, my friend and my cousin are in a better place. >> reporter: in a better place, where? >> in heaven. >> i do not even know what to say. you have been covering this now for weeks. talking to so many family members. i just cannot believe the disrespect shown to these family members and survivors by law enforcement officials. the district attorney. it is stunning to me that we are watching this cover-up in real time and have been, thanks to your reporting and others, for weeks. >> 48 days. it's about 48 days since this

happened. i was counting today on the calendar. i cannot believe that we still do not know what happened here. we have to go to the families of the survivors and the kids. some terrific details. the law enforcement officials have not apologized. politicians out there -- really, it is becoming a game of politics now. that is how that community feels. i am not apologizing for what happened here to these families. so, of course, these poor families, who are suffering in so many different ways financially, it has been such a burden. the price of gas, having to take the kids for physical therapy, for therapy. little things that we all take for granted is no cost in them so much money. they need help. they need the resources. that is partially why they're speaking out, but they also feel it is important that the country understand what happened inside the classroom.

how this gunman was allowed to terrorize their kids for 77 minutes. the kids could hear police officers outside the door asking if they need help and they hear more gunshots and one of the kids in there killed. still, anderson, it has been a rough week. we are talking to so many family members. they're going through a lot. we are lucky enough to be able to, in some ways, you know, -- they have trusted us, right? these are important stories to tell because the change needs to happen and something like this can never, ever, ever happen again were law enforcement officials and outside and do nothing. we have to fight for information. still, to this day, we do not have a full count, anderson, of what happened. >> yeah. as i said i have never seen a situation like this. where, you know, usually it takes a few hours for police to

come forward and say with relatively accurate information. we know first reports. then, the correct themselves when things are clearer. but 40 days. it is shocking. i appreciate you still being there working this and trying to get attention on it because we cannot let up on this. i really appreciate it. mourners gather for the former and japanese prime minister shinzo abe's funeral.

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there are new details tonight on the investigation into the assassination of former japanese prime minister shinzo abe. as mourners gather for his funeral. kyung lah reports from japan. >> reporter: at a buddhist temple in the heart of tokyo, the body of shinzo abe arrived for a two-day funeral ceremony. a line of mourners with flowers pause and pray. a japanese public to whom gun violence is almost unheard of. i'm still shocked, she says. why did this happen to japan?

answering the why begins with the latest assassination of yamagumi tetsuya. he planned for weeks ahead of the shooting. police recovered multiple hand made pistols from yamagumi's home. nhk reports he built them by watching youtube videos. nhk citing police sources say yamagumi practiced in the mountains. the day before, police say he practiced shooting against a building in nara. as abe began his speech on the street, a news camera caught yamagumi standing with the crowd listening. the next time we see yamagumi, two shots were fired. officers tackled yamagumi to the ground, armed with his homemade gun. police say yamagumi held a

grudge against a group he believed the former prime minister had ties to. the group has not been named by police to cnn. but japanese local media report that the suspect told police his mother was involved with an unnaemed group and made a large donation that messed up his family life. yamagumi also held the belief that abe's grandfather had expanded this unnamed religious group years ago. the family federation for world peace and unification, widely known as the unification church, held a news conference denying those allegations but told reporters that the suspect's mother was a member of their church. cnn has not been able to reach the suspect's mother directly to confirm this. we struggle to understand why the suspect killed former prime minister abe due to any resentment towards our organization, says the church president. he acknowledged that he was aware that the suspect's mother had financial difficulties around 2002, but he doesn't know why or the impact on the family.

the church pledged to cooperate with police. among the mourners gathering in japan's capital, u.s. secretary of state antony blinken. >> we saw in him something rare, a man, a visionist who had the ability to realize that vision. >> reporter: a towering political figure globally and at home. a country begins to bid farewell. >> it is late morning here in tokyo, and the funeral is set to begin in just a couple of hours. it is going to be a private ceremony for family and close cig any tears but there is an area for the public to pay respects. we've seen members of the public carrying flowers, carrying notes. as i walked the grounds of the temples this morning, i even saw a note that said, thank you, prime minister, i will never forget you. anderson? >> kyung lah, appreciate it. thank you. up next, the very first

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-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com somewhere tonight albert einstein is smiling and astronomers and coulkoz tolgss. i did mess that up in the last segment. the people at nasa are excited and president biden was when he unveiled the first image from

the james webb space telescope. those lights are some of the first galaxies to form in the universe billions of years ago. what you see is a speck of sky the size of a grain of sand held at arm's length. the spblurring is the light bei bent between them and us. gravit gravitational lensing, something to make even einstein smile. and i have to do more research to understand what that means. i'll hand it over to laura coates for "cnn tonight." >> thank, anderson. i know e equals mc squared, that's all i can get you today. i am laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." steve bannon threw down the gauntlet after being contempt of court in november. he threatened to raise,