>> we are just hours away from the next january 6th hearing. we are getting new details from what we might say. the committee planning to zero in on ties from extremist groups within trumps orbit. steve bannon will testify.

>> reporter: cnn has learned that the january 6th committee is planning to zero in on a healing. extremist groups that are tied to roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another trump ally, steve bennett, changes his tomb. telling the committee he would be willing to testify in a live setting. they believe it is a stunt to try to wiggle out of his criminal contempt charges. a judge on monday declined to postpone his. the committee has already revealed a bevy of information. trump and his allies were made fully aware that there was no evidence the election was still interested in i didn't say what was happening was necessarily -- >> >> reporter: trump new he lost the election but kept telling his supporters that he won.

the will of the voters extended all the way to the states where trump personally pressured. he knew that his supporters were armed and planning to be feminine. he directed them to the capital, anyway. stephen i don't care that they have weapons. take the max away. >> reporter: how he ignored his advisers that there was no fraud. steve and i recall till the end saying, you are modeling in the outcome of a presidential election. we met that man, jeff leclerc, is now under federal

investigation. finally, as the angry mob called for assassination of the vice president, trump did not seem to be bothered. >> there is a large concern of the 25th amendment potentially being invoked. what would happen in the senate if it was. >> reporter: everyone is wondering when we will see lots of baloney, the former white house counsel who was behind doors more than seven hours. we could see clips of the deposition as soon as tomorrow's hearing. we are told that the baloney was asked very pointed question about a heated meeting that took place in december at the white house with former president trump and other

election desires. it is very possible that we could see some baloney talking about that during tomorrow's hearing. don. >> ryan nobles. now i want to bring in -- jonathan, do you have any scoops for us as you always do before we get started? >> look, i think that these scoops we are hearing about are coming from this committee. i think the testimony from cassidy hutchinson will prompt for people to at least consider coming forward as well as a number of subpoenas. the fact is, there was a deep

concern in the republican party days before january 6th about what could happen at the camera. there was concern about what the trump supporters may do, don. a number of members of congress knew that the election was not stolen. therefore, they knew that there would be angry people coming to the capital on january 6th. it was clear that the congress was in fact going to ratify biden as the president. it was totally, totally, totally sought in advance for your anticipated by a lot of members of congress. it was not a huge surprise behind january 6th what happened. they are on tape talking about the possibility of violence on january 6. >> jonathan, i have a scoop for you to respond to, just when you were speaking. collins is reporting that

patrick byrne is to meet with the january 6th investigators. what can you tell the committee? >> he was somebody who was about these people that was talking to tom and seeking out weeks after the election. trump basically cast out anybody who was not willing to reinforce his view that the election was stolen. he surrounded himself increasingly with people who reinforced his dilution, frankly, that it was stolen. people like, mike lindell. the my pillow guy. the overstock ceo. this tells me that the cassidy hutchinson testimony and the subpoenas, perhaps the prosecution, don, is encouraging more people to cooperate or consider cooperating with this

committee. >> i said katelyn collins, it is katelyn palance. what could the legal significance be of them focusing in on the conversation? focusing on the overstock ceo? >> december 18th will be the starting point. there was a desperate meeting at the white house where he was getting dangerous advice from sidney powell and michael flynn and others. eric hirschman was saying, you can't seize voting machines for that is the starting point. the most memorable thing about that meeting, a couple hours after it ended, at 1:42 a.m. on december 14, donald trump sends a tweet. be there or be wild.

>> take michael flynn, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, this is not normal. this is bad. this is what is so alarming about it. we had people in the oval office, and the residence, trying to get the president to do the things that would've been historically dangerous. historically abuse of power. historically irresponsible. only because of a few level heads, so baloney, hirschman and others, he was drawn back from the brink of that. >> what are you say about people who do not speak out about it? do you think that cipollone would've had information ? see

the -- >> we are talking about historically unprecedented. imagine any other administration in the history of this country had links directly or indirectly to extremist groups, right? i would want to hear how cipollone patrice himself? did you know anything about these extremist groups and what did you do about it? >> if you are taking counsel or people like the proud boys or old keepers, they are looking up to you and telling you in the policies, isn't there something wrong? >> that should be a warning. donald trump played into the right into his presidency. >> jonathan, there is a high legal bar between proving coordination between trump and these extremist groups. >> that is the goal here, don. it remains to be seen if they

will be able to secure a legal indictment. they are obviously very much working, led by liz cheney to secure and i met of donald trump. there are focus intently on raising intense questions on his culpability surrounding january 6th. surrounding specifically the people who did most of the violence on january 6. there will be the focus of the hearing tomorrow. you can see some of the data so far, there is a slow leak among trump supporters. not the super harcourt. the traditional republicans, i think there quietly fatigue by this, don. look, i think it's going to be fascinating to see how trump response, because this committee is obviously focused on him. they are getting more cooperation, people like pastor cipollone, who were in the room are starting to talk. i think it is starting to increase the pressure on tom.

to create fresh clinical challenges with him within his own party. people like kevin mccarthy who i've tried so intently on keeping trump close and trying to placate trump. people like kevin mccarthy still going to see that necessity if trump takes real damage from these hearings? it will be fascinating, don, to see where trumps numbers stand once these hearings wrap up. >> are you saying that you think it will make a dent, downwards and his numbers? >> yes. it won't prompt the hard-core trump crowd to say, i once was lost, now i'm found. trump is a bad dude. that will happen anytime soon. the broader swath of the party, the republicans who dutifully voted for him but never really loved him, i think it gives them a permission to quietly start easing away.

hoping and looking for an alternative in 2024. basically, liz cheney and a handful of democrats doing the job that a lot of republicans are quietly happy to be seeing done. >> elliott, let's talk about this. i want to get the language corrected. cassidy hutchinson is testimony was heard in the justice department. there are reporting that top officials are openly discussing trumps conduct. it is a meaningful change. they were discussing this already? >> it's a revealing look inside the justice department. is not an encouraging look at all. here is the deal. they get beat to cassidy hutchinson. they have no idea she's out the bridge he justifies two weeks ago and they are astonished by what they hear. no excuse for that. there is absolutely no excuse

for that. they are jolted. to do what? are they serving subpoenas? to talk about it quietly in front of the bus. the rule was dell shall not mention trump in front of merrick garland? it doesn't say anything about where the doj is at or their pastries >> jonathan, what the ? they should be leaving this, not the january 6th congressional committee. >> yes very low, there is so much frustration between the democrats in washington and the doj. they believe it should be much more focused on holding trump a combo. the line that you would appreciate that i have heard from people close to biden, it goes something like this -- he wanted an apolitical justice department, not this apolitical.

it was lighthearted. is totally far removed from biden's inner circle, they don't want merrick garland to be the solemn black robe judge totally above the fray. they want the internal january -- they want and potentially for the former president. >> we were discussing what the people actually show up to the polls to vote, not necessarily the tudor crowd and the progressives and the younger people. the people that show up to vote. what i'm hearing from those people, my unscientific survey, is that president biden and the people he has hired, they have this romanticized idea of what republicans are. sort of reagan republicans. therefore, the administration

is operating in a time gone by. jonathan, is that -- >> yes, that is a critique from younger democrats. more progressive democrats. they frankly came of age either in the trump era, or in the lead up. people like mitch mcconnell who are a real departure from a lot of the senators that was surveyed in the 1970s and 1980s were there were conservative democrats. you had a lot of lamoureux -- they are in a different place in washington. there is very little diversity within the parties. the parties are down the line conservative and the democrats are progressive. i think biden is trying to rekindle that old-time religion from the senate he came up with. >> not going to happen.

not in this environment. thank you, gentlemen. the fbi interviewed donald trump's attorney two weeks ago. that may be's the bennett's -- bad news for steve bannon.

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>> steve bannon says he is now willing to testify before the january 6th select committee. he has been refusing to appear for months. even after a subpoena. that is why there: this change of heart a son. les discussed now. legal analyst, elliott williams. good to see you. evan. steve bannon trying to turn these hearings into a circus? >> you think? steve bannon, when he was first charged, showed up to court with a live stream or.

a person who was streaming his arrest. his surrender to the fbi. this is partly explained by what has gone on in the last day. we saw the judge today who look at bennigan's request to delay his trial. he wanted to present the defense that he had some kind of shield from the former president for executive privilege. it really doesn't exist. the judge made that clear. carl nichols, the judge who is overseeing this case. he's a republican. a trump appointee. he rejected this out of hand. there was no privilege to wait. there was no letter from the former president that was necessary. we found out from the justice department today, that what it happened, two weeks ago the fbi interviewed trumps lawyer.

found out, there was no blanket privilege that was extended to steve bannon. that blue oval in his offense with us what happened today incorporate a judge made it clear that bannon has no defense that he can't present that he was defending on some executive privilege as some reason that he ignored the subpoena. keep in mind, he is facing two counts. one of them, failure to respond to the subpoena from the committee. secondly, for refusing to turn over documents treaties offering to do the hearing in public. he hasn't said anything about presenting these documents that the committee submitted. two do they have meetings? what is content -- >> it's a crime. he has been charged with a crime. two will they put him in jail? >> if he's convicted of it. it's a misdemeanor.

he won't get a life sentence for dinner. it is a crime. to be clear, for a reference point, it was committed when he violated the sub tina by not showing up to testify after extended negotiations with the committee. number two, didn't turn the documents over. saying now, i will show up and testify, it doesn't negate what he did in the past. that's like me taking $50 out of your pocket, getting charged with theft a day later saying, here is your money back. don't prosecute me. that's not how it works. regardless of the seriousness of the, it's a subpoena that got violated. it's a crime. >> fine. maybe not jail, what happens? >> any crime, you can find somebody, put them on probation, put them in jail, if they are convicted.

that is not for me to separate the way federal sentencing works, once you are convicted you go to the federal conviction guidelines. based on how serious you to fence was. how they want to use you as a deterrence for other future people. how much money -- all kinds of things go with the guidelines for they decide how much time you get. >> bannon, elliott, made a very specific -- take a listen. >> all is going to break loose tomorrow. understand this. all will break loose from. >> will it mean for bannon if he knew violence was planned for january 6th? >> the contempt proceedings is just with respect to not showing up at documents. if he knew about violence, december 18th you are hearing about, that you are talking about in the last segment -- there were a number of people

meeting in trumps immediate orbit -- there is this question of the extent to which the president knew there would be violence the next day? close advisors like steve bannon might have been aware of the might have passed that information on? they teased that they will draw the links route. maybe that is what may come out? one would have to know that there was going to be violence and participated in encouraging it. >> evan, bannon was part of the hotel war room group that was peddling the conspiracy for weeks. ! in his explain his role? >> he was one of the biggest proponents of the lie that there was fraud. that there was fraud, even though bill barr and others kept telling the president in the world by early december,

that the justice department found nothing. despite that, bannon and some of his cohorts, through like sidney powell and drew leach are the only, kept propagating this lie which they knew had no basis in fact. they knew they had no evidence to support it. you know, that is part of what his role was. he's a propagandist. he has always embraced that as his role. his role with the former president. keep in mind, at the end of all of this, bannon gets a pardon for an unrelatmesteve bannon has done behind the scenes for this one of the reasons that the committee really wanted to hear from him.

i think they still really do. there is a lot here that he can explain. about what was going on behind the scenes. >> i've been gone for a week. this is crazy. it is crazy. >> don, we get so caught up, guilty as we get caught up in deciding what is a crime and what is not? what you could go to jail for and what not? we have to that and realize what an s show -- it's so crazy. how close we came to disaster. you know me, i'm not one to go with the conspiracy theories or any sort of sky following. how close the country came to averting a disaster on january

6. to pick apart the statute and who can be charged with felonies, let's not forget what happened and how historically problematic all of this was. >> i left when we all showed up on the screen together. >> it's like looking in the mirror. >> evan has here. >> i am shining a little. steve and i will give you 10 years. thank you, guys. i appreciate it. make sure you join -- the cnn special report begins at 8:00 p.m. eastern on sunday. in a new law in arizona

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boot stomping, arizona governor signing a controversial bill making it illegal for anyone to record police activity within eight feet of the officers. supporters say it will protect officers. retractors warned that it will stack the deck against the public. the fact is, video taken by centers has been a critical element in multiple cases that probably wouldn't be in the public if not for a bison are taking their phone out and recording. garner pleaded with the officer that he could not breathe. great, died by police officers. video showed them putting him

into a jason van tatenhove and he died while riding in the jason van tatenhove. castile was fatally shot by an officer. there is a lot to discuss. joey jackson and captain ron johnson. thanks, so much. i just talked about a few cases. that is just a few of many there without these videos, we would never know. >> no question. good evening to you. and captain johnson. the bottom line, i think you are bullying the public to look the other way. nobody wants to be arrested. at the same time, you are working civic involvement.

that is problematic. in addition to that, there are laws on the book right now that don't need this. in the event that you impede or impair the police from doing their job, there is a law called, obstructing government administration. think about how you and forces? were you seven feet, five feet, 10 feet? you're talking about criminalizing that behavior. this is really a difficult enforcement, possibility and potential. it is a law that does not need to go into effect. i think it's a dangerous job to be a police officer, we have to protect them, but this goes too far. this is telling the public to look the other way or they will be put in jail for 30 days or to pay a $500 fine. that's troubling. >> they say that john cavanaugh

sponsored this bill. this is what he writes -- i can think of why anybody would need to come by then eight feet of a police officer. it should be made illegal. >> he doesn't say that people shouldn't shoot video just that it's dangerous for anybody to be less than eight foot from a police officer. >> i think that i agree with joey. officer safety is important, but we have to make sure officers can do their job. the blanket policy of eight feet, they haven't given any reason of how they came up with this. in our country we've had a lot of incidents over the past few years. i think the public video has

captured inappropriate behavior. also, appropriate behavior. i think there are things that are put in place that depend on the situation. i read the policy where it talks about, if you are being stopped by an officer, you can videotape if you are a passenger. if you're being questioned, you can videotape. we're teaching people in this country not to reach for their cell phones. most of our video that we see don't come from the people that are actually being the subject of a police. >> you know, you are right. i didn't think about that point. there's been video out there that has been -- it exonerated officers who are doing the right thing. i'm sure that those officers did not mind that the person was closer than a few. do folks have the right to record police and public places? >> bottom line, you certainly do.

the supreme court hasn't pressed the specific issue of recording place. think about a public place. think about the fact that the public has a right to be where they currently are. think about the fact that the public simply is attempting to record with the police are doing. think about what police can do in their discretion to prevent that and to otherwise undermine accountability. when you look to enforce it, are they going with a measuring stick to say you were to close or too far? because they don't like that you are filming them. they could say that you are barely a feet when you are actually 15 feet away? i hope is that technology makes this meaningless to the extent that you can be many feet away and so capture what occurred. good police officers who are doing wonderful things, we should capture that. we should capture police officers not doing good things. let's call it what it is, there are specific measures on the book to cover this. let's not target people who are out there simply being involved

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mourners gathering in tokyo for shinzo abe. cnn is learning new details about the planning and motivation for the attack. hello. his funeral is getting underway. how are people in japan making sense of this?

>> you can see how many people are streaming behind me. this is a temple in downtown tokyo. what we have seen for the last few hours, there are people who look like they are on their lunch hour. a lot of them wearing black clothes to pay their final respects or to leave flowers. messages. this is a private funeral. it will be hosted by his wife. it is happening right now. it is also an essential gathering place for people here in tokyo to remember the loss of a true political. domestically as well as globally. someone who really was the face of japan. regardless if they agreed with his policies. we are seeing so much of japan. all different ages and backgrounds coming here to say

goodbye. they are having so many people coming. we heard one of the officials come to the sidewalk to announce that they will be turning people away, because there are too many flowers. too many people have come. they want to try to maintain order. i certainly do believe that. the whole area in front of the temple has been completely packed with people for the last hour or so. we are talking many, many people, lining up to get in. >> we see them streaming and behind you. the investigators are revealing more about the suspect and why they believe he targeted him? what are they saying? >> it's really very curious, don. we are getting bits and pieces of who this man was? the timeline and exactly what may have motivated him? 41-year-old -- was someone who was a factory worker.

basically, lost his job in the last year or so. he has been telling police that he decided about a year ago that he was going to target the former prime minister. that he learned how to make guns off of youtube. these were handmade weapons. weapons are so difficult to get here in japan. he made the outer pipe and tape. he found out when the prime minister would be in his hometown. this is the political season. the election happened on sunday. he showed up an hour before he was scheduled to speak. figured out where the former prime minister was going to stand, sit right behind them. in fact, news cameras caught the government standing in the crowd. moments before he was shot. as far as a motivation, this is where it gets a bit murky. from what we are told from the police, the suspect was angry at a particular group that he believed that prime minister --

may have been associated with? the clarity is really lost. there is a religious group that starts to come in. this group, is something that traces the back to south korea. they are unclear about what the relationship is with the government and the religious group, other than the government's mother was a member. they are starting to piece together that he was under the impression that the former prime minister's grandfather may have been connected to the religious group, the unification church. it is based in south korea. >> thank you. we will be right back. igh bloo. if you have questions on whether tylenol is right for you,

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the deepest image of our universe that has ever been taken. that is how nasa describes from the james webb telescope. i want to bring jonathan who is in astrophysicists. professor, thank you. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> this is incredible. the picture is credible. can you tell us what we are seeing? >> what we are seeing is a cluster of galaxies that is 5 billion light years away. incredibly distant. each of the lobby things in that image is a whole galaxy with 100 billion stars in it.

we are seeing, as well, streaks that are elongated curved around it, they are even more distant galaxies. they are being distorted and magnified by the gravity by the galaxies as einstein predicted. in this one image, we have a huge swath of the history of the universe and all kinds of complicated physics that we get to just operate >> what is this -- you said, 5 billion light-years? that's almost too much to even comprehend. what does the show was? what does this do for us and for science, really? and, i strongly? >> we believe that the universe has changed over time. it started out young, like the rest of us. so, by comparing the hubble data on galaxies near us and the data from this telescope on

galaxies far away will let us know how the universe has evil and change. how it came to be that we got our modern universe that generated the planet that we live on and so on. that is one of the main missions of this telescope. >> it really is amazing. listen, talk to me about why these are deep field images? why is unimportant and what does it mean? >> one of the first things you do with a super new telescope, you look at the most boring of sky you could possibly find that has nothing in it. you see what you could see, that you couldn't see before, right? that's what the deep field projects are. you stare really hard to see things that you want capable of

seeing before. as one of the center guides things that we do with the telescope, the other thing you do is look at things that you already know about that you want to look at in greater detail. this is a cluster of galaxies that is 5 billion light-years away. tomorrow we will have data on the atmosphere of a planet that will be only 1000 years away. one doesn't just look at the distant eggs, it also looks at more nearby things in detail. >> only 1000 light-years away? you say, only -- i keep staring at the monitor, looking at the images. i'm listening to. the images are incredible. thank you. i can't wait to see what happens tomorrow and beyond. >> thank you. >> thank you. thanks for watching.

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hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the u.s. and around the world. i'm max foster in london. just ahead -- >> the american people need to see exactly what a man who swore to protect and defend the constitution, all bbranches of government, was doing. >> it will stick to him the rest of his life. >> you covered your ears. were you hearing a lot ofcredib showing of g