into something the human eye can see, study, and investigate. >> it is really our apollo moment in science. it means everything for it to be up there. >> reporter: scientists see a once in a chance opportunity to just be questions about our existence. how did we get here and are we alone? why we do not have answers that is just the beginning, scientists are already blown away by the results. >> this is going to be revolutionary. these are incredible capabilities we have never had before. >> reporter: rachel crane, cnn, new york. >> thank you for joining us. that evening, i am anderson cooper in new york with jake tapper in washington, d.c. today, the january 6 committee >> to the president to the case that he deliberately use them in

his attempt to overturn the election. >> someone who knew what he was doing. according to congresswoman liz cheney, he had every reason to know that what he was doing was wrong. >> the argument seems to be the president trump was manipulated by others outside the administration. that he was persuaded to ignore his closest advisors and that he was incapable of telling right from wrong. this, of course, is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year- old man. he is not an impressionable child. >> the first time the public were shown testimony from pat cipollone, who spoke to the panel friday. >> going to start by asking you if you agree with all of the individuals that there is no evidence of no election fraud sufficient to change the outcome ? >> yes, i believe that.

>> did you believe that the president should concede once you made determination based on the. did you form the believe that the president should see the election loss of a certain point after the election. >> well, yeah. i was the white house counsel. some of those decisions are political to some extent. if your question is that i believe he should concede the election at that point in time, yes, i did. in december, basically said the process, that would be in line with the thinking on these things. >> the mcconnell speech that he referred to was on the day after presidential coleridge ratified president biden's victory. one witness at a time, cassidy

hutchinson described him as unhinged. at that gathering with sidney powell and pardon phelan michael flynn, the ceo of overstock.com, and rudy giuliani. a flynn proposal for declaring martial law. the possibility of seizing voting machines. the opportunity to make powell a special counsel. >> i walk in. i sought flynn. i saw sidney foul powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> first of all, the overstock person, i had no idea who this guy was. the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him and said," who are you?" he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. i didn't understand how they

had gotten in. >> in the short period of time that you had with the president, that he seemed receptive to the presentation you are making? >> he was very interested in hearing particularly about the terms of 138 for a that apparently nobody else bothered to inform them of. super learning and hirschman and whoever the other guy was showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president. >> the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking -- verbally -- and we were pushing back. we were asking simple questions as a general matter. where is the evidence?

>> if it had been me sitting in his chair, i would have fired all of them at night and have them escorted out of the building. >> it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. people walking in. it was late at night. it had been a long day. what they were proposing i thought was knots. >> categorically, i would describe it as you guys are not tough enough or maybe to put it another way you are a bunch of -- excuse the expression. i am almost certain the word was used. >> kept standing up and turning around and screaming at me. at a certain point, i had it with him, so i yelled back. had to come over and they back

down. >> the swig of dr pepper was the french kiss of that testimony. as surreal as all that was, the presentation made clear that this was not a moment when the former president suddenly realized it was time to pack it in. instead, almost immediately after that meeting ended, in the early hours of the morning, he sent out that sweet calling on his millions of followers to come to washington, d.c. on january 6th. it will be wild, he said. the committee shared that his call on the six for all those people to march on the capitol had been planned well in advance. a number of extremist groups and members of those groups had gotten the message quite clearly. >> the president's own documents suggests that he had decided to call on his supporters to go to the capitol on january 6. but that he chose not to widely announce it until his speech that morning.

the committee has obtained this draft updated, undated tweet from the national archives. it includes a stamp stating president has seen. the draft three periods i will be making a bid speech at 10:00 a.m. on january 6 south of the white house. please arrive early. massive crowds expected. march to the capitol after. stop this deal. although the tweet was never signed, rally organizers were preparing to the march in the days leading up to january 6. >> one of the marchers who stormed the capital testified expressing regret for what he did. he did it thinking he was doing it at donald trump's behest. and he laughed after donald trump hours later told him and the other followers to go home. >> this is a constant throughout the hearings. people close to the former president knew what was

happening and that it was wrong, but caps largely to themselves. the former campaign manager for one. >> president trump's former campaign manager recognize the impact of the speech immediately. this is what he said on january 6th in experts excerpts from text messages to katrina pearson. he said, quote, this is about trump pushing for uncertainty in our country. a sitting president asking for civil war. then, he said this week, i feel guilty for helping him one. katrina pearson responded you did what you felt right at the time and therefore, it was right. he added yeah, but a woman is dead. and yeah, if i was trump and i knew my rhetoric killed someone -- she replied it was not the

rhetoric. he said katrina, yes it was. >> the communities we have come to expect close with a surprise. liz cheney said the former president tried to call a prospective witness and that the justice department had been notified of that attempt. on nights like these, there is certainly a lot to cover. two hours ahead. first up, democratic congressman adam schiff. spoke to him just moments before we talked. what is your biggest take away from today's hearing? >> my biggest take away is on december 18th, the president meets with these outside -- i don't know what to call them. advisors, allies. and they want to seize voting machines. they want some kind of special counsel. that proposal is essentially rejected by the president's own people. hours later in the early morning hours of the following day, trump summons the mob and sends out the tweet saying it's going to be wild.

after these other efforts to overturn the election failed, his last ditch effort was going to be to summon the mob. >> what you think was the most valuable part of pat cipollone's testimony, at least from the clips played today? does he connect dots that no one else had been able to? >> i think that he certainly underscores and corroborates much of the testimony we had about the fact that the president's own lawyers knew he lost the election and told him he lost the election. understood that the claims of fraud were bogus. there was no evidence for them. understood the election was over when the electoral college took their vote in mid december. and basically tried to ward off a lot of what followed. i think he confirms a lot of that. it is important that it comes directly from the white house counsel. these are people who represented the office of the presidency. it just corroborates how the

president was told over and over again by the justice department, his own white house lawyers, that these claims of fraud were completely bogus. he goes directly to the president's knowledge and intent. he knew the claims he was making to the public were false. he continued to make them. he knew the crowd was angry on january 5th, as he was listening from the oval office. and he knew on january 6th that they were also armed, angry, and an armed mob. he urged them to march on the capital. that is very powerful evidence. >> i know you will not get into specifics. can you characterize what people can expect to hear from him at the next hearing? >> i cannot characterize his testimony, but i can tell you that it will be focused on what the president was doing and importantly, what he was not doing. the supreme dereliction of duty while the capitol was being attacked. as you heard today, when the president was finally prevailed

upon to say something, it did have the effect of getting some of those people to turn around and leave the capitol, but the fact that he could not or would not rather deliver that message earlier, that he was watching this attack unfold. was not doing anything to stop it even while his own vice president was trying to stop it, i think we will go into that in much greater detail. >> the focus on the proud boys and oath keepers focusing on the december 19th tweet that january 6 will be wild, why do you think they saw that as a call to arms, and you see them and their allegiance to the former president has an ongoing threat? >> you know, i think they look for messages, particularly from the president. when earlier, much earlier, he said that during the debates, stand back and stand by, it was

meaning something. help them recruit people. these groups wanted to form kind of an armed militia around the president. his own personal armed militia. you know, this is something that comes out of germany in the '30s. not something we would expect to see here in this country. so, if there was one thing that donald trump understood better than anyone else, it's the psychology of crowds and mobs. you know, he derives such energy from the crowd and his rallies. he is always concerned about the size of his crowds. he knew how to direct the mob at the capitol. and he did. and of course, people around the president understood, also, the participation of these dangerous people as he ultimately dead.

>> was cheney and at the hearing today as the president called a witness that the public had not yet heard. that the witness did not answer the phone and alerted their attorney and federal prosecutors. is there any possible legal exposure there? >> it is possible. i think it would have to be in combination with other things. but the clear intent was to influence the witness' potential testimony or testimony. i think it is quite obvious what the president was trying to do. whether this is actionable by the justice department will probably depend on a lot of other actions of the former president. as it affects these witnesses. but, you know, we thought it was important to get that information out to the public. to put people on notice. we hope that if other witnesses are put in the same position by the former president, that they will also alert us to that. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you.

>> with me here in washington, cnn's national correspondent and cnn political correspondent. abby phillip and cnn legal analyst who served as special counsel to house democrats during the first trumpet impeachment. jamie, let me ask you, what stood out the most, as most important today to you? >> once again, the committee has brought trump loyalists. insiders. republicans to really take trump down. in this case, i thought what was extraordinary -- we could call it a mashup. but the portion of video where you hear about this december 18th, 19th. do i have the date right? there is this december 18th with an extraordinary fight that goes on between the white house counsel who comes running down

to seeking crazy. these people who have gotten into the white house. flynn, sidney powell. i should not say gotten in. but donald trump wanted them there. i just think better late than never. these folks knew this was going on. it took a long time and subpoenas to get them to talk about it. >> i just want to get your reaction to this. it is one of the things that came out of that meeting. this idea -- we have seen reports about it -- the idea that donald trump appointed sidney powell to be special counsel. she thought it was a done deal, that it already happened. to investigate this voter fraud. let's take a look at this clip. >> asked pat cipollone if he had the authority to name the special counsel. he said yes. then he asked him if he had the authority to give me whatever security clearance i needed and pat cipollone he said yes.

in the president said okay, i am naming her that and giving her security clearance. shortly before we left, it totally blew up once a baloney and/or whoever the young man was said you can name or whatever you want to name her and no one is going to pay any attention to it. >> under the president respond to that? >> something like you see what i deal with. i deal with this all the time. >> as these people knew all this was going on, they knew they were working for a president who is looking for the crazy, ushering them into the white house, surrounding himself with this kind of thing. this idea of defying trump to his face. his aides basically saying you can do whatever you want, but we are just not going to listen. that is classic trump administration stuff that had been going on since the beginning of the administration and continued on into this

really perilous moment for the country, in which the subject at hand was not just, you know, some issue a policy that they did not agree with. it was a question of whether or not he was going to carry out an attempt to overthrow the results of a free and fair election. it is extraordinary that all of these people who knew that this was insane and said so at the time continued to work for trump. many of them, based on the testimony, don't give in and knowledge that he himself is responsible for it. many of those people still wanted to be, you know, the story of john eastman, sidney powell, rudy giuliani, all the crazy folks. not the guy who brought them into the white house. >> what did you think was most important today as a legal matter of what the justice department may ultimately charge any of these individuals with? >> we heard from cassidy hutchinson at the last hearing about john's violent intent.

intent is so important in criminal cases. his violent intent on january 6. they built a bridge today from december 14th. you see why they wanted him and so many others. the legal avenues were exhausted. he had a turning point on december 18th. he chose the road of team crazy. it will be wild. that shows the intent of the violence that we ultimately got in january 6. we got a lot of premeditation. all of the planning. i think they added to the quantum of advent. they are moving towards beyond a reasonable doubt of crime. >> i just want to say something. i do not doubt there were shenanigans with the propaganda of keepers. i see tenuous connections. but i have not seen enough

evidence to know that, you know, that part of it was criminal intent. that trump knew that the far right militia groups were coming because of what he said. you know what i mean? there is a lot of circumstantial evidence about it. >> i completely agree. we know that it was the proud boys acting as security guards. oath keepers for roger stone. in general, the committee has under promise and over delivered. this was one hearing where they said there was going to be a link with trump, but i didn't see it. >> see you all again shortly. the former president's reaction to all of this, especially the civil any testimony. let's turn to cnn chief white house correspondent kayla collins who is in jerusalem tonight covering president biden's trip there. what are you hearing about donald trump's reaction to today's testimony? particularly, what pat cipollone he had to say to the

committee that we saw excerpts from. >> the former president has been clamoring for more people to come out and defend him at these people hearings. he certainly did not get that with pat cipollone today. this testimony that was just from last week, when it was recorded, the clubs that they played of him describing his final days in the white house, including the mid december meeting that went off the rails even by trump white house standards are there was a lot of shouting at times in the halls of the west wing. this is where he and other white house attorneys were talking about just how loud and then send the meeting was. i was stretched on for hours. and he also said he had pushed president trump to concede the election. it was clear that he had lost and that there was no widespread fraud that had taken place. i think there are certain moments of these hearings that have gone on that have really bothered the former president. for example, when they played that clip of ibaka trump saying that she believed the attorney

general bill barr when he said there was no widespread fraud in the election. that moment from today's hearing was unprompted. asked if he could say a word about vice president mike pence and his actions that day. he went on to call him courageous. so that he did the right thing that they and he believed, because of the brave actions, that he even deserved the presidential medal of freedom. that is a moment you're going to see played time and time again of the top white house lawyer for trump who was at the center of so many of these critical meetings praising someone, pence's actions, that trump completely disagrees with. everything he said, trump believes the opposite, based on our reporting. that is certainly to say that trump is not going to be pleased. we should also know that our reporting shows trump has been asking people when the hearings are going to come to an end. he has been quizzing people about that. they thought it was potentially going to be this week. now, we know the committee is

expecting to hear a testimony next week of more people who worked in that trump white house. >> it is more pointed than that, isn't it? it is pat cipollone thinking vice president pence deserves a medal of freedom specifically for ignoring donald trump. not just for doing something that donald trump didn't think was right. what he did to deserve the metal was the ignoring of trump. i want to ask you because liz cheney, the vice chair of the committee and the hearing today with an allegation of a witness that we have not seen receiving a phone call from donald trump. that this witness did not accept. in the allegation, the suggestion was that this was potential obstruction of justice or witness tampering. do we have any idea who this witness is? >> no. trump world is guessing just as much as we are, trying to figure out who this could be. there are as only so many

people that he has called since the hearing came to an end. the committee has interviewed over 1000 witnesses. there are lots of possibilities here. we have seen lots of testimony, but not that much. i will say trump world is criticizing cheney for coming out. they have been criticizing her for not naming this person. saying she is implying there was witness tampering here one maybe trump did not know they were a witness or he was just calling this person. of course, this person, whoever it is, they did not answer the phone and felt so uncomfortable they felt the need to call the committee and tell them troubles calling them. we are yet to see who that person is. >> thank you so much. i'm here with political director, chief political analyst and maggie haberman, correspondent for the new york times and cnn political analyst. what about the extent of these hearings or specifically under the presidency? >> we have reports that he is obsessed by these hearings. he is watching them all the time.

it is clear when at the end of the hearing was cheney announced he made a phone call to somebody who we have not yet heard testify. but the president is watching this and is obsessed by it. he is used to being defended by people, politicians who go out there and say donald trump is wonderful. you have not heard that during these hearings. these are all his former people. he will say they are hacks. never liked the baloney. what kind of a white house counsel as it who testifies against me. et cetera, et cetera. it is clearly driving him crazy. >> the president knows a lot about hacks. there was a meeting december 18th in the oval office of the squad car of sidney powell, giuliani. the overstock.com former ceo. so many details have emerged about what was happening in the run up to january 6th. including text messages from brad parscale. how does that lineup?

>> the meeting, the next day, december 19th. most of that reporting was accurate. we learned more at the in-depth story and jonathan swan about the specifics of what was being said, but the basics for that trump wanted to appoint sidney powell. there is a discussion about using the apparatus of government in the election. in this case, it turned out to be a defense department. they were in their shouting. they were in there forever. we need this in real time. it was covered extensively on his network. >> you tweeted today that the testimony underplayed how crazy that meeting was. >> to be clear, the participants of that meeting that we heard from themselves, which we had not before -- that was pretty striking. hearing them describe on the record how nuts they found this. you know, there was something lost in some of the details. there was obviously exchanges

that were described with mike flynn. i thought that was very dramatic. there were other things going back and forth. trump was in and out. he was almost a nonfactor in descriptions of that meeting. that is a problem. he was a factor. he was asking lots of questions and making lots of points. >> at least one person was in tears of frustration because of all the screaming and yelling and they were, frankly, exhausted because as the meeting you heard earlier today, it went on for over six hours. >> sidney powell? >> i do not believe it was, no. somebody else. >> for context, when that meeting took place, it was four days after the electoral college had met. it was a done deal. the election was over. mitch mcconnell comes out. one of the last establishment republicans came out. he was given trump as much time as possible for the lawsuits. he waits for the electoral college meeting and says, congratulations joe biden president-elect. you heard pat cipollone in his deposition saying that was the

timeline. pat cipollone is running down the hall to see what is going on in this meeting. he had already come to the conclusion that this was a completely done election. yet, the president of the united states was consumed by this one thing. trying to find some way to hang onto this office. totally subverting the constitution. >> i want to know who moved the meeting upstairs. >> that's right. to a different location. >> it's ridiculous. you are right. the next day, he still sent out the tweet about, it will be wild. this is not somebody who did not know, reasonably, that he had not lost the selection. he knew he lost the election. he was looking for yes-men. he found a mob to do so. the problem i have with this hearing, i like the other prior six, for a prosecutor to go and

say here's my evidence and proof of conspiracy, i need more than you inspired people in some way. i have to have instruction or have to have a meeting of the minds. somebody to actually say here is, you know, one plus one equals two. so far, what we have today, morally culpable behavior. certainly problematic. enough to have a criminal prosecution? not yet. >> thanks. one of the witnesses today, a former spokesman, we talked about his testimony this morning. and the future if the president is elected again. a tragic development in uvalde. lead video at robb elementary. what it shows about police response and what it is doing to parents. more ahead.

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the second half of today's hearing featured a rare opportunity to hear from somebody who was a member of an extremist group that the president called to march in the capitol. former spokesman and self- described propagandist for the oath keepers spoke about what the group hoped to achieve that day and the dangers that the former president may still pose. >> what did they see in president trump? >> they saw a path forward that would have legitimacy. this opportunity, i think, in my opinion. to become a paramilitary force. i think we got exceedingly lucky that more bloodshed did not happen. because the potential has been there from the start. we got very lucky that the loss of life was -- as tragic as it is, that what we saw on january 6, the potential is so much

more. we have to do is look at the iconic images of that day with a gala set up for my mike pence, the vice president of the united states. i do fear for the next election cycle. who knows what that might bring? if there is a president that is willing to try to instill and encourage, without a civil war amongst his followers using lies, deceit, snake oil. regardless of the human impact, what else is he going to do if he is elected again? all bets are off at that point. >> thank you for being with us. what exactly did you mean by all bets are off if the former president is elected again? are you saying he would somehow be likely to incite more

violence? >> i think that is absolutely a possibility. we don't know what would happen with pardons. if we gain any accountability through these hearings, through the department of justice actions, you know, what is to say she is not just going to erase that? >> i have not been sure what to make of the oath keepers. on one hand, they seem like weekend warriors. if this was the biggest event of their lives and all they could mount was a stack walking to the crowd up to the capitol, it does not seem like they amount to much. that being said, there was someone who planted pipe bombs who has not been discovered. who knows what else they are capable of? are they still a risk? >> i think so. i was guilty myself of underestimating them. i broke away around 2016, 2017. i didn't think -- you know, there was a certain amount of that that i saw. at the same time, they did

storm the capitol. there were explosives that were found there. i was guilty of underestimating them. i think we are just at a point in time in history where we cannot do that anymore. >> do you think that what has happened to them legally, the charges that have been brought against him any of them, do you think they will reconstitute, whether it is the same name or a different name, but will the same characters reconstitute? >> possibly. even if they don't, even in the best case scenario, we still have to wonder what will rise up in the power vacuum. you know, who else is going to take on the mantle of this type of movement. and will they be more squared away? will they be more competent? will they be able to really mount something that is more effective? we have been so lucky with this. luck is no strategy that we should be depending on in the times that we are.

>> what was the appeal of the group to you and to a lot of the people that you met and it? a lot of people had families. people were taking time away from their families to go to ferguson, intimidate people. hang out at the ranch. you know, what are you doing? >> i was originally there is an independent journalist. i got embedded with stuart rose. i have notions of writing my version of hunter s thompson's angels. but i got caught up. to be clear, i was never a member. i was an employee, but that is almost worse. the appeal really is that they are targeting disenfranchised individuals that do not feel like they have got much going on in their lives. they might be veterans who are yearning for brotherhood. they are keying in on emotional issues and really providing a sense of purpose. they have

kind of weapon as the messaging and social media. it seems like they are working off the same playbook whether it is alex jones or president trump or stewart rhodes. they are all kind of cut from the same cloth, using the same tactics. >> i have interviewed two former q and on people. one direct message me telling me i was going to be executed in washington, d.c. on a certain date. and i was curious to just sort of see who this person is, and do they actually believe what they are saying or is this something that they just throw out? the people that you met, that they have coherent philosophies of what they wanted america to be? this gave them an identity and the last onto a? >> i think it is the latter there with giving them an identity and then latching onto it. so much of this, the

wellsprings are the conspiracy theory of the day. when it was back when bundy ranch first started, the oath keepers launched off of the momentum of the tea party after president obama was elected. then, jade home. he saw the messaging and the mission statement catered around that conspiracy theory. but you know, as part of my job as associate director and national media director, we would look at the news and see what were the big stories. especially if there was something hot within the conspiracy realm and see how we could spend that and plug their name and message into it. >> i don't know you, but i give you a lot of credit for speaking and taking a step back and seeing this and getting you and your family out of that. it speaks well to you. thanks so much. >> thank you.

>> back with our panel and joining us, cnn's national security analyst and former secretary assistant for homeland security. you are reacting to the interview because you certainly do take them quite seriously. >> absolutely. i think this is just really interesting what is happening now with the committee. there is the legal side. did they make a case against trump? then there is the side that people like me look at which is the counterinsurgency narrative. this is a campaign to expose what was happening and provide viewers and oath keepers and others and offramp. i think that is what was really interesting in terms of having these two witnesses. the former goalkeeper had a line that i thought was the line of the day. we need to quit mincing words and just talk about troops. we are looking at all the nitty- gritty details. he takes a step back. i think that is what representative raskin was doing at the end in terms of, look,

trump called. they answered. call, answer. call, answer. call, answer. hours and hours of describing the stance between the two. when we are going to provide all of you who think trump has a future with an offramp. trump is over is basically what they want for us to understand. he has peaked. this effort has not been exposed. >> that is their help. i don't know if that is the evidence. >> he still upholds that he is the number one choice for republican voters. >> in terms of autocracies, the only way a movement and, it is not because a bunch of liberals say we don't like autocrats. it is because moderates and former members come forward and say enough. i think what was really important was that they are sort of embracing not. even raskin, who is quite liberal as we know and saying we are not going to do this alone. a bunch of democrats saying that trump is bad. you have been hearing that for eight years. it is literally the former

coming forward and saying here is a path out of this very scary future for the united states. >> that is the theme that i think they have been trying for , not just for that former members of this extremist ideology, but regular republicans who are willing to cast a ballot for trump not once but twice and would do so again if they are given an opportunity. just to say to these people, it is time for you to really step away from this, frankly, kind of freak show that has been unfolded by the committee. i am also struck. i think you have such a good insight into this. the idea that this kind of extremism was sort of downplayed and ignored and not really taken seriously is, i think, a reckoning moment for this country. it was all there. and they did nothing about it. and you had a sitting president, you know, maybe one degree of separation away from violent extremist groups.

only now is this something that the country is recognizing. >> just to be clear about this, from the moment they were in 2016 in interview with me, the endorsement of david duke, the former clan leader, all the way through the charlottesville extremists. all the way through olivia troy, the former white house official, who was saying earlier that when she went to tell vice president pence about the trump super fan who sent pipe bombs to democratic politicians and cnn reporters and others all the way through the tree of life synagogue murders. all the way through the el paso murders. this is not new. >> stand back and stand by. he said it on a debate stage. to be clear, we have been talking about this since before charlottesville. what i am concerned about is the national security apparatus. the lack of preparedness that seems to take this kind of

extremism seriously. >> had one other thing? what was chilling was the reminder, once again, as liz cheney said, this is a clear and present danger. it is ongoing. i'm going to paraphrase jason. he said we got lucky with the violence. the potential could have been so much more. i do fear for the next election cycle with a president who is trying to institute a civil war. what else is he going to do if he gets in, all bets are off. >> not only that, you know else referred to donald trump is trying to start a civil war? his campaign manager in a private text with another manager. >> it is because he and others on the inside understand the conduits. this was not just about the oath keepers, the ones who renounced and the ones who are still in. it is about roger stone, meadows, and steve bannon. we heard the context. we know the ties are there. running new video from

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tonight, exactly seven weeks since the uvalde shooting ram

page, the world is seeing the clearest view. the austin american statesman published leaked video including one inside the hall of robb elementary school. they took steps to edit the video like removing the sounds of children's screams. the details have been shrouded in secrecy. we have been lied to, parents, more importantly, have been lied to. they had the runaround. there has been an ongoing coverup between some officials and police. the police responsedering the shooting and after has been nothing short of pathetic. before we air the video, we should note there's no amount of editing that can change the fact it's difficult to watch knowing what we know about the 21 lives that were being taken, that were being murdered, the kids, the teachers being murdered while this was taken. shimon prokupecz is with us. talk to me about the video, shimon. >> yeah, disturbing to know that what's on the other side of the wall where these officers are

standing in the hallways literally standing around doing nothing, anderson, for more than an hour, trying to figure out what they're going to do, and they wind up standing around for so long, they do nothing. it is a very disturbing portrayal of what was going on in the hallway. the families certainly are extremely upset, anderson, over how this came out, the leak. they were expecting this to come out at some point. that they were going to be able to view this in an organized fashion, but i think off the top, it's important to know how upset the family members are over this video and what it shows is certainly so disturbing because you see the officers in the hallway, you see them run towards the gunfire, but then do everything against their training. they retreat. they move back away from the gunman, and then we know, anderson, what happens after that. take a look at some of that video.

>> shimon, i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. what is your reaction to seeing this video, not the full surveillance video that wept on for 77 minutes. it shows the officers just waiting. you see ballistic shields be laid on the ground. you see heavily armed officers amassing and waiting. and when finally they do go forward, the ballistic shields are not in the front. apparently, they weren't all that important after all. what do you see in this video? >> you know, anderson, there's

almost too many failures to catalog here. on the brief time we have. of the initial responding officers, only about half of them actually go down to the door. you see guys walking around talking to each other, using hand sanitizer, which i can't even understand that. so there's just failure upon failure, but more broadly, what you see here, anderson, is a complete failure to live up to the sacred trust, the bargain that every law enforcement officer makes when they hold up their hand and are sworn in to their job. that is you will lay down your life to protect other people. when i was deputy director in the fbi, the fbi academy, we began a program where with each class of new agents, one of their first nights at the academy, we would bring them in as a class and show them the bullet ridden, blood-stained tactical vest of sam hicks, the vest he was wearing when he died

in 2008 executing a search warrant in philadelphia. and the purpose was to show those new agents, this is how this could end for you. and if you're not down for this, now is the time to leave. and the solemnity of that, that commitment, is what you see violated by a bunch of poorly led officers who wander around, and half of whom are surprised when the entry is finally made. you see the officers at the back of the hall, they are shocked that somebody is actually going in the room. it's inexplicable. and it's kind of, i have to say, it's kind of sickening to see that in the law enforcement community that i love, that i know. my colleagues treasure. this is really hard to watch. >> and to know what we're not seeing in this, and what we're not hearing, the screams of

children. and they go on and on, and the cries of children, and the police officer calling out to a child who identifies herself, who then, according to the parent that shimon talked to yesterday, the gunman then goes over and shoots that child dead. shimon, you have spoken with several family members of the victims. what are they saying to you tonight? >> well, they have kind of gone dark now, anderson. i think they feel betrayed. you know, they were expecting this video to come out on sunday. they were expecting it to be in an organized fashion. they wanted it be together when they got to see this video. they're going through a lot. the emotions are very high. they were going to have clergy present around them, some therapists. you know, every night that we come on, anderson, you and i talk, it's another thing, another thing, another thing. they don't trust anyone anymore. they have been lied to. they have been -- they haven't been told anything, and the only way sometimes they learn anything is through leaks and

public information that's released. and it comes to them last, and again, here we are tonight, the same thing happens. i don't know what's going to happen in the next few days for these families but they are really, really upset because they really wanted to view this video together. you know, they're upset about some of the audio that came out. so it's going to be really difficult days for them, certainly, the next few days, and then come this weekend when they have to listen to officials describe the report that the legislators here put together, and now they have to sit through this video, and they certainly were not expecting it to come out this way. it's so hard to listen to them and hear their emotions, and sort of replay this again in their minds. they're extremely upset. >> andrew, just as what happened to you or what you showed fbi agents in police academies around the country for a long time to come, they're going to show them this video as what not to do. and in business schools, they're going to show this video, and in

government schools they're going to show the response, the police response. and the governor's response and the state as examples of what not to do and how not to treat relatives whose children have been murdered because the way they have been treated is shameful. andrew mccabe, shimon prokupecz, i appreciate it. >> much ahead from today's historic seventh hearing. did the former president try to contact a witness personally? more on that, john dean also joins us who said he wanted a, quote, pat cipollone moment, and emotional scenes for capitol hill police officers who survived the attack. we're coming right back. under budget too! and i get t seven days to love it or my y money back... i love it! i thought online meant no one t to help me, but susan from carvana had all the ananswers. she didn't try to upsell me. not once, because they're not salespeople! what are you...? guess who just checked in on me? mom... susan from carvana! [laughs] we'll drive you happy at carvana.