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washington, january 6, with the help of allies who supported his bogus claims of election fraud. amid committee claims evidence confirmed that clumps call to march on the capital was not a spontaneous call to action. more from ryan nobles. >> reporter: b january 6 the select committee used their seventh public hearing to build the case that donald trump had a plan, to call his supporters to washington, to march on the capital, and stand in the way of certifying the 2020 election . one witness, stephen ayers, who has since pleaded guilty to entering the capital illegally said he answered trump's call. >> we didn't plan to go down there, we went basically to see the stop the steel rally and that was it. >> what did you decide to much to the capitol? >> well, basically, you know, the president got everybody riled up, told everybody to head on down. so basically we were just following what he said.

>> reporter: the committee unveiling never before seen depositions of medications among trump insiders, showing that the former president ignored the advice of his own advisers, and instead, leaned on the counsel of election deniers like sidney powell, michael flynn, and rudy giuliani. >> i would categorically describe it as, you guys are not tough enough, or, maybe i put it another way. you're a bunch of excuse the expression., most certain the word was used. >> reporter: trump went forward with the efforts to overturn the result anyway. >> president trump is a 76-year- old man. he is not an impressionable child. just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions, and his own choices. >> reporter: a drive that led to a raucous meeting at the white house in the middle of december, when trump wanted to name attorney sidney powell as a special counsel in order to seize voting machines.

>> the president said, okay, i'm naming her that and i am giving her security clearance. >> reporter: former white house counsel, pat cipollone, testifying that he was displeased to see people like powell and flynn in the oval office and told trump, naming powell special counsel was a grave mistake. >> it's a terrible idea. that's not how we do things in the united states. i don't think anyone is providing the president with good advice, and so i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> reporter: cipollone also describing his frustration, dealing with people who couldn't produce any evidence of widespread voter fraud. >> in this regard i would say, a general disregard for the importance of facts. >> reporter: afterwards, trump shifting gears, but not backing down from his pursuit of pushing election lies, tweeting, the next day, and invitation to his supporters to

descend on washington on january 6. >> be there. will be wild, the president wrote. >> reporter: the committee also presented a draft tweet obtained from the national archives, showing trump land before january 6, to tell his supporters, please arrive early , massive crowds expected, march to the capitol after. this, despite members of trump's cabinet and inner circle testifying that they told trump he lost the election and he should concede to biden after the electoral college met in mid-december. >> i conveyed to him, that i thought that it was time for him to acknowledge that president biden had prevailed in the election. >> did you say he should concede the election at that point in time? >> yes i did. >> reporter: the committee plans to hold another hearing next week and it could be a big one. that is where the committee plans to outline what they describe as donald trump's dereliction of duty, from the 187 minutes of the capitol was

under siege , and the committee concluded, the hearing took place on tuesday was a bit of tease ahead for that, and also a note about a potential witness who they say was called out of the blue by the former president, donald trump. they say that witness declined the call and informed his attorney, who then informed the committee. the committee has referred that information to the department of justice for possible witness intimidation. >> ryan nobles, thank you very much. we want to bring you now, two police officers defending the capitol engineer six, both were injured. michael is a former police officer now a law-enforcement analyst and sergeant michelina ginna roe is with the capitol police. today, the january 6th committee honored his heroism, his injuries as forced him to leave that job. gentlemen, thank you. we appreciate you joining us this evening. mike, i will start with you because you're both at today's hearing sitting with your

former colleague, officer harry dunn. the details were disturbing, when it comes to how premeditated and coordinated to january 6th attack was. what was it like to sit there, in that room, and hear that? >> i mean, it just confirmed what i think each and every one of these hearings has led us to understand, that violence was part of the plan all along. , the former president and those in his inner circle like mark meadows, knew that violence was going to play a part in january 6, and that attempts to stop it, in that, they supported the violence that was eventually played out on genera six.

the other takeaway, for me, was the absolute cowardice on behalf of each and every member of the trumpet ministration trump administration, when it came to calling out what took place inside of trump's white house. have waited months to hear from these people, but i can't understand it. >> why did you have to wait months, did i get that correct? >> yes, sir. >> we are having a bit of trouble. you guys may want to try to fix the signal while i talked to sergeant ganahl here. sergeant, you wrote an op-ed in the "new york times" this weekend, titled, i was betrayed

by president trump. what was the impact on you of today's testimony? >> thanks for having me, good to see you again. the impact that january 6th had on my life is pretty much, every single part of my life has been upended, you know, the recovery, the painful physical therapy, the mental trauma, not being able to perform my job like i normally was doing, on january 6. and before. had gotten to a point where i no longer am able to fulfill that job. in my normal capacity. therefore, i mean, i am being recommended to separate by my

doctors and my mental health providers as well. is trying to get along with his life and get back to normal, genera six to me was not just genera six, it has been ongoing and will continue. even if i leave the department, when i leave the department, i have to be involved in the trial. in the future. sir, it is not going to end, for me. for a lot of people, that resist that day, and that's it. >> sergeant, i want to get to ayers in a second but just talk about not being ill to perform your duties, right? i would just say, congress addressed your situation at the

end of the hearing. >> last month, on june 28th, sergeant ganahl's team of doctors told him that permanent injuries he has suffered to his left shoulder and right foot now make it impossible for him to continue as a police officer. he must leave policing for good and figure out the rest of his life. sergeant ganahl, we wish you and your family all the best. we are here for you. we salute you for your valor, your eloquence and your beautiful commitment to america. >> you said you want to move on. how do you move on from the job you love, sergeant? >> today was very emotional, because, prior to me going to the hearing, i was in a room with the fbi agent going over trial prep and stuff like that. i had done police work for 16 years, beginning the 17th just

last month. i was excited to -- i found a couple of weeks ago but i also passed the lieutenant test, based on my scores. and instead of me celebrating that, now i have to plan, possibly, my life after being a police officer, because my career has come to a halt. because of genera six and the people who perpetrated it are still living their life, and they don't care about how many lives he ruined. just for his loss of power. >> and still saying that he won an election that he lost. >> correct? >> he mentioned stephen ayers, a capitol rioter who testified

today. you said it caught you off guard. tell me about this moment, and what was said. i know i spoke to you after the hearing, but i want the audience to hear what you thought of it. >> yeah. i don't remember what exactly mr. ayers said to me. like i said, it kind of caught me off guard. but, to the extent that he apologized, not to take away from his apology. i am not looking for apologies from anybody. i am not looking for apologies from the former president. and those who supported him on january 6th, i just want to count ability. his apology to me didn't really

do anything, i hope you did something for him. but that is how i felt about it. >> sergeant ganahl, go on, what was it like for you? >> i feel the same way, just like mike said. that was generally done by him. i distinguish myself and my actions on the things i did on genera six. somehow, in the future, he will have to answer for the judge, or to his maker, whenever everything is said and done. i know i was trying to live my life, based on my new circumstances. put it in writing what happened to me, and hopefully somebody picks it up, and if not, i can

live with that. people need to learn what happened on january 6th, reinvestigate everything and hold those people who planned out this event, and if they did something right didn't do something, they should be held accountable for what they did. >> thank you for joining us. during today's assessment, i heard pat cipollone nominate the former vice president for the presidential medal of freedom. there were 17 individuals i believe who were nominated for presidential medals of freedom. since they are rolling out nominations, i think that joe biden forgotten three very important names.

chief robert conti the third from the metropolitan police department, commander robert glover from the metropolitan police department, and commander remy kyle from the metropolitan police department. if those of you out in the audience went to know who is responsible for our victory on january 6th, at the u.s. capitol, those are the three people who are eminently responsible. joe biden, get your head out of your behind, and award those individuals the presidential medal of freedom. >> was present i want to include would be -- from the u.s. capitol police. >> thank you, i appreciate it. thank you for what you did. it may have been the craziest part of the plot to overturn our election. y pat cipollone told the committee that is not how we do things in the united states. y provides an unbeatable clean

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the january 6th committee digging into the heated and, quote, unhinged oval office meeting leading up to january 6, the gathering included cracken lawyer sidney powell, and rudy giuliani. focusing on wild ideas to overturn the election, like invoking martial law and seizing voting machines. now we know then white house counsel pat cipollone reacted. we are discussing with former assistant special prosecutor nick ackerman and darnell harvin, former head of security at the homeland security department. thank you for joining us this evening. in this new testimony from the white house with pat cipollone, the idea that he said about these ideas, voting machines at the meeting. i want you to watch this. >> that's not how we do things

in the united states. we don't have the authority to do that. >> that was one of the wild ideas. he's absolutely right. there is no basis to do it. if you look at the actual order, that sidney powell showed up with, with general flynn, it basically goes on to say that there was probable cause of election fraud, which there was not. it goes on to allow sidney powell to bring civil actions and criminal actions against anybody involved in this, which would have been complete craziness. the idea that she could go out and prosecute people willy-nilly for no real basis. across the country. this is nuts. article really struck me about this was, white house counsel people and staff, to get rid of these clowns and get them out

of the oval office. but then, it had been hours, somehow he spoke to somebody, somehow he came up with this plan, sending out the street inviting all the crazies to washington for january 6. >> speaking of tweets, when trump realized that he wasn't going to get what he wanted, he went on twitter just hours later, and part of that infamous treat saying january 6 will be wild. what did they take from that tweet? >> he took a cue from that street. we have been monitoring that event for a few weeks before. it is what we call a nothing burger. very little interest in that particular date. the next day, twitter and open source intelligence completely blew up. a lot of people would be showing up, not just regular trump supporters but really violent individuals. >> even after that, your concern

is that was about the capitol protecting you, what was that? >> absolutely. they were saying, who's got the guns, where do we hide the guns, how do we penetrate the capitol. these were not regular first amendment protected activities. this has nothing to do with the first amendment. they were coming to take over the capitol. and we expressed that. >> that is not in my jurisdiction, and i have no idea that it wouldn't be protected. sir, that is what i am curious about. we are clearly putting this out on open source media. why weren't things protected the way they should have been? >> most of the testimony the committee showed today, listen and. >> some very violent individuals were organizing to come to dc, and not only were these

nonaligned groups, were aligning, you know, when you have armed militia collaborating with whites of premises groups, collaborating with conspiracy theory groups online, with toward a common goal, you start seeing what we call a blended ideology which is a very bad sign. >> again, that was your testimony, right? >> it is pretty clear that those very bad actors were converging with open source information, converging on the capitol. has the committee been able to directly connect those plotters to the former president? >> i don't know if they have been able to. i think that is the direction they are leading, i think they are making very good cases after

the seventh hearing, that there was a lot of nexus, there, between these individuals waiting for the call. i mean literally waiting for the call, the next day, they started talking about what they would do. i want to tell you why they did this. we are not talking about the dark red and encrypted chat rooms. they were doing this on twitter. why would they do this on twitter? they were invited to do so. they thought it was a legal action, so that is what you see, a lot of individuals like the president testifying today, they thought they were getting a legal direction to come to the capitol and prepare something that shouldn't have been happening. >> this was all part of a concerted plan. i would like to know who donald trump called after all the crazies left on december 18th and before he did that tweet. we've got several suspects, one is roger stone, who was involved with the proud boys, he was involved with the oathkeepers, steve bannon was at the war room at the hotel, he heard the

testimony of cassidy hutchinson, who said that her boss called roger stone. we don't know what was said. we know that he also called to a meeting at the war room. we know that steve bannon was involved in this, after he spoke to donald trump, we learned today that immediately after that, he went on his podcast talking about what would happen the next day at january 6, at the capitol. the whole point of this was not so much that they were not letting people know because it was a dereliction of duty, this was very purposeful. the whole point was to create violence and mayhem to stop the count of the electoral vote. so that joe biden could not be certified as the u.s. president. it was to stop the peaceful transfer of power, and so, anything that trump did, the fact that he sat around and didn't do anything during the day on january 6 was very

purposeful. >> also, the bombshell that liz cheney talked about, at the end of the hearing, right? she said that donald trump attempted to contact a witness, and that they turned that over, they informed the doj, will they follow up on that? >> it's very hard because nothing actually happened because the person never reached the witness. but, there is a overall problem here. the fact that they are paying lawyers fees for all these various people, what it means is that these lawyers all entered into a joint defense agreement, something that is very common. you enter into a joint defense agreement, it means that you can then tell each and every lawyer who is a part of that agreement who is testifying from and what they are saying. now, all of that is normally proper, but if you're using that information in some way, to find out who the people are that might be ratting you out

or talking or cooperating, that is when it comes into a problem. i don't think that has been explained as the underlying issue, here. >> i see this being tied up next week in the final hearing, i think they will tie in people to the actual actors, roger stone and the others that were involved in this are going to be shown to be the conduits to donald trump. that is where i think this is going. >> nick, darnell, thank you. i appreciate both of you. he is a 76-year-old man, not an impressionable child, that is what congresswoman liz cheney is saying about donald trump arguing that he is responsible to his actions, not his advisers. stay with us.

we learn a lot more about how january 6 happened, one of the most painful episodes in our history. political commentator ashley allison, legal analyst elliott dubois, and alice stewart join us now. good to see all of you. >> it won't go well. >> the committee is hammering home that trump wanted people to march to the capitol. is preplanned, how do you think the committee did laying out trumps culpability in all this? >> shockingly, he started wrong, they didn't hammer it home. they hammered home one piece of the story which is that if you look at the attempted election interference, what happened in the residence responsibility for it, for example, calling dr. georgia to say i want to find fake votes, i don't know

how you get around that one. the president is culpable, his intent is clear, his involvement is clear. when you have comments like this from the president is will be a big day coming down for major events. if you are defending the president, remember, there is no defense here. he never told him to go break windows at the capitol. i think the committee on the issue of election interference is clear and compelling. i think on this, today, they did not make a case, not even close. >> you're the attorney here. >> i am. the question, did they make a case or not. phil mudd, i think we are holding congress to the wrong standard. it is the justice department's job to decide whether you can move forward with the case. congress is quite persuasively making the argument that, number one, historically bad things happened on january 6th,

and number two, there may have been any number of crimes committed, one by president trump, to buy senior advisers and three, we are giving rudy giuliani a free pass here by not talking about him. the argument that we are falling into, quite often, but somehow, congress needs to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that anybody has committed a crime, it's holding congress to the wrong standard. it's a political body that has the power to refer charges to the justice department who can bring cases, but, i think congress did a great job today for what they set out to do. >> i think a lot of this, too, if you sort of pick up what they are putting down, as they say, it sounds like congress is signaling to the department of justice, the committee showed images of oathkeepers with roger stone and michael flynn, but also showed roger stone in group chats with the leaders of the oathkeepers and proud boys. stone denied this but does that

give a leader to follow to link trump to what is happening? >> go ahead. >> it can, but, the question everyone has is, you will need some more direct communication than is available right now. again, is this disqualifying for future office? absolutely. there is all sorts of other crimes that may have been committed here mainly with the tampering. i am sure we will talk about that today. conspiracy against the united states. but, there is this incitement to violence question whipping up hate groups and charging the president for that will be incredibly difficult based on the information that is available. we don't know what the justice department has and the way the justice department works, it is not public, what goes on in this investigation. more may come out, but right

now, at this moment, charging the president would be difficult. >> alice, where did you want to say? >> there are two different lanes here. there is the court of public opinion of the court of law. doj will make a decision on that. i think without a question, the committee has moved the needle in the court of public opinion and not just liz cheney or democrats on the committee. we're talking republicans in trumps inner circle. before and during and after january 6, his involvement and his culpability in that, we heard a former top aide jason miller, say that early on, he told the president with regard to murder irregularities and voter fraud, evidence of that is thin, if not nonexistent. had campaign adviser brad pascale acknowledged in the text that trump rhetoric did

not lead to the riots and even death, and he feels badly about his involvement in that. there is a trusted legal adviser for the president, should not have happened, and trying to take the ballot boxes is not what we do in this country and to give him good legal advice with regard to that. and then the maran's out there today who were at dinner sixth acknowledged that they were willing to do whatever the president said and did so until the president finally pulled them away. so there is indisputable evidence, and information, but he was directly responsible for what happened. the question is, how big of an impact will that have on voters in the midterm election, and what will doj decide to do with

what we heard. >> liz cheney is the vice chair, she was saying she feels that trump allies are attempting to defend trump by saying that he was influenced by some rogue operatives. >> this new strategy is to try to blame only john eastman or sidney powell, or congressman scott perry, or others, is not president trump. in this version, the president was, quote, poorly served by these outside advisers. the strategy is to blame these advisers and call them, quote, the crazies for what donald trump did. this, of course, is nonsense. president trump is a 76-year- old man but he is not an impressionable child. >> the argument that trump claimed ignorance here, that is falling apart, don't you think? >> absolutely. he is the person that made the

call that said come to the nation's capitol. it is not like when he knew, because we know he knows, but that is not the first time donald trump started to say he didn't believe people in the election, even laying breadcrumbs all year. so that when and if he lost the election he could claim there's no way it could be possible, the election didn't have any integrity he knew, he incited people to get to the capitol, and i think he should be held accountable in the court of law. whether or not the committee made his case today, i don't think it was the strongest hearing today to but i do think that ignorance is not the defense he should try and claim. and, he is the president of the united states. was. but was. >> yes. was. thank god. he was the president of the united states.

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back now with philip, ashley , elliott and alice. cheney dropping bombshells that trump contacted a witness we had not seen yet, claiming that prison never picked up instead telling their lawyer who told the committee and informed the doj. what does it tell you that trump himself made the call, instead of a staffer? >> right. to find out who the person is. if it is ivanka trump it may not be a big deal. if it's another witness it may very much be a big deal. it depends on number one, who he called, why he called them, and what that is. >> donald trump would not be calling the city saying that my dad called me. >> i am saying, all we know is that a potential witness was called. let's find out more

about it. but look, witness tampering is not that hard to get to, if the person in the position of the president picks up the call to stop somebody from testifying and we have seen before it has happened. so, i am not really disagreeing with you on this, i just think we need to see who it is. >> you know better than that. >> i am kidding. >> today, the "new york times" puts out new polling which shows half of the gop is ready to part with trump. is that discussed by some of the trump aids reverberating through the doj -- gop? >> the cake is baked on the genuine sixth, on the edges. those that don't like him in the democratic party. the

republicans are frustrated. there looking for someone who would be a fresh conservative without the chaos. what we are seeing is a former president who was unhinged, detached from reality, and certainly is not someone who is the right person in many minds to leave the party moving forward. people like ron desantis and others, raising millions of dollars because people are looking for other options. >> pirates are thinking of changing their minds after the men started his career as a businessman lying and then started a campaign saying the former president was born in kenya and now people are saying well, not what this guy? i think that's completely absurd but in terms of this hearings, i was more skeptical about the hearings, i thought they would be more partisan and a lot more boring. as someone who looks at

investigations in the fbi, the breath of information and depth of what people were involved in the white house has led me to say, not a genuine sixth but on the election interference issue if you are doj you are in one hot place. if you ignore this you are ignoring a lot of evidence that says, how can you ignore this? this is pretty clear but they tried to change the election. >> going forward, trump and the election? >> i think what we saw in the testimony today is that one of trump's supporters said that he was brainwashed, basically by what he was getting on social media platforms and there are a lot of voters who are still in these chat rooms and on right- wing sites that are getting that information, not allowing them to pull away from donald trump. i think there are other issues at play in this election cycle, abortion and gun rights, obviously the economy, i think if democrats can tell the story

that the republicans, particularly the republicans donald trump has endorsed, and they have been meeting him on the campaign trail are obstructionist and are authoritarian, dems have a chance in the fall. >> i appreciate it. everyone except for elliott. >> [ laughter ] we will be right back.

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warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and all around the max foster . just ahead -- >> somebody's got to get some answers. >> you see the officers in the hallways, you see them run toward the gunfire and then do everything against their training. >> donald trump's fingerprints seem to be all over this. >> i think that we saw a glimpse of what the vision of the oathkeepers is on january 6. it includes violence. >> donald trump cannot escap