good even today, after the seventh public hearing from the january six committee, we have new information about a separate justice department investigation, and how it ties in with some of the testimony that we've heard from republican officials, but the effort to overturn the elections. specifically, that scheme to install fake electors. we want to start with that tonight on capitol hill, with cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles. what have you learned about this justice department coordination with the january smitty? . >> well, we know that it is starting to happen anderson, and this is of course a big roadblock to the department of justice. as it expanded into areas beyond just the rioters that reach the capitol on that day. and started looking into more

of the efforts to overturn the 2020 election results. they were very interested in some of the interviews that the generals whigs committee has already conducted. the committee was reluctant to canned over those transcribed interviews to the department of justice, because they considered their work and their property, and they wanted to be able to have it in their possession as their investigation moved forward. this became something of a standoff between the doj and the january 6th select committee. and now they're starting to find areas common ground, and chairman bennie thompson told us today the first batch of information that they're gonna hand over to the department of justice is the information that they've gleaned about this effort to file a fake set of electors that would've been sent to congress had a january 6th. that's pretty significant, because we haven't seen a lot of detail about that aspect of the department of justice's investigation. so, it shows that investigation continues to grow. thompson also said that this won't be the end of that cooperation, that they're engaging right now, and as that

engagement continues they will find ways to get the department of justice but they are looking for. and of, course anderson, at the end of the january 6th investigation, they plan to issue a final report and make all of their interviews public. of course, at that, point the doj would have in isis tell that information as well. >> what do we know about next weeks mary, because we are supposed to be there tomorrow -- do they know what's gonna happen next week? >> we know it's gonna be next week, we expect will be in primetime. probably later in the week, and this is of course the hearing that the committee has been building to since the very beginning. it is what they believe is the most damning evidence related to donald trump on january 6th. it's that 187 minutes with the capitol was under siege, and what donald trump was and most importantly was not doing. they've already described his conduct on a day as a dereliction of duty. we expect to hear firsthand accounts of what was happening in the white house on that they, from people like pat cipollone, cassidy hutchinson, others that were in and out of the oval office and were in and out of

that dining room where donald trump's holding court, watching it all unfold. many, them we assume, are going to offer up testimony that shows that he was not making too much of an effort to help quell the violence, despite the fact that it is his voters over here on the capitol on that day. the committee, as you mentioned anderson, had planned on doing it this week. they have pushed back to next week, because i'm told they've gotten so much information, even new information in the past week or so. that will be a path part of this hearing, and they're just trying to get it all together and put it in a way that is most digestible to the american public, they've been pretty successful with that up to this point, but his next hearing could be the biggest one yet. >> by nobles, appreciate it. let's get some perspective from harry cordero, a senior fellow at the center for new americans security, former republican congressman darren riggleman, a former senior adviser to the generous of charisma. -- and a co-anchor cnn state of the union. carrie, how important do you think it is that the justice department is working with the january six committee to look,

at least, at these fake electors. >> i think it's really important to their investigation that they're able to gather as much information that is relevant to ongoing investigations that they already have. so, they are working under theory, for example, of conspiracy to defraud the united states as an effort to overturn the election. if they are looking at violations of the electoral count act, or basically the issue of fraud that was conducted against the united states by trying to file fake electors, and trying to change the outcome of the election through fraudulent means. -- withers documentary evidence or, interviews would be relevant to the departments investigation. both from the perspective of evidence they might want to obtain, and also from the perspective of exculpatory evidence, or conflicting evidence that the committee might obtain as compared with the justice department needs. >> why won't the committee turn over everything they have to

the department of justice. obviously, there interests are aligned. is this politics? they feel protective of the interviews that they've done? i don't understand. >> i think there's a variety of reasons. one is of those doses prerogatives in separations between the branches of government. it's a separate legislative branch, it's conducting its own inquiry, so there's just some turf issues with respect to the information were collected. could be a manpower issue. the committee is not big and does not have a large huge staff of resources, and they've been conducting their own hearings and putting on their own evidence. so maybe that they just haven't had the bandwidth to be able to comply with all the information that the justice department wants to obtain. but, in order to have both tracks go officially, and have the justice department be able to move, as expediently as the legislative branch in the public would like it to move it's a good step that the committee is finding a way to

work with them. >> the committees indicated they want to hear more from white house counsel pat cipollone next, week from his already done testimony, his videotape testimony. is there any sense of what those excerpts are likely to entail? >> a big part, i'm told, of what we are going to hear from pat cipollone, is to fill in the blanks. the 187 minutes. this is the key question that the committee really hasn't answered. when was the president doing when he was getting desperate phone calls from pretty much everybody, saying do something. tell your people to stop. basically, call off the mob. and i'm told that it was about seven hours a path cipollone sat in talks with the committee this path past friday. and though he was careful to not divulge anything that would be a turning climb privilege,

although it's a little bit suspect has his white house counsel, and not the president's personal attorney. there were a lot of blanks that will be filled in. bypassed lonnie with the president's, doing and more importantly not doing in that time. >> and congressman, from experience working on the january six committee, how much do you think cipollone's testimony will bolster the evidence that the committee already has about the then-presidents actions or inactions on and around january 6th? >> well, you see that they conducted over 1000 interviews, and you look at what they've already talked about on the legal side of this. i think cipollone sort of seals the deal for, them in at validating the information that they already had. when you see what they're looking, at as far as the investigation, it's interesting to talk about the alternate electors. what happened in the white house down with a alternate electors. first you have to look at the alternate electors themselves, and who they were communicating with. right? if they have people like the legal, team talking about the alternate electors. this could be a sort of

bombshell, i think, for the committee. and that is what's very interesting for me about this. we talk about alternate electors, i think they're also gonna look at the communications. how these people actually -- also if the trump legal team, they're not getting any constitutional values from the trump legal team that's interesting about all this for me. if they're gonna combine the data from called needles and text messages, they're gonna provide voluntary data to give up. they're also gonna look at the communications about the all telecoms and state legislators vacant legal team when you're talking to cipollone and rosen and you look at all these individuals i am actually pretty confident that the. ,,. doj and congress working together on the alternate electoral strategy is going to bear fruit. lastly, i'm gonna say this, i think they should work together. turf battles cause intelligence breakdowns. i know they want to prioritize that intelligence and make sure it's finish. i do believe the sharing now is absolutely imperative, based on

timelines with mentoring coming up. >> carey, it seems to be this naive of me probably. i know they have a small staff. there's plenty of xerox machines still in existence and i'm not sure how much it actually takes to actually copy the interest that you've done it is not like the justice department is going to immediately release those interviews and steal the thunder of the january six committee, right? >> right, look, as a practical matter, information may be provided on paper or digitally, but the committee wants to know why it is actually providing though. there is a do diligence to be done, or people actually have to go through all the information before they provide it. just with respect to looking ahead to the hearings that are coming and the one that was this week, from my perspective, what transpired on

the day of january six and the missing time and what transpired at the white house, i tend to view that as more relevant politically in terms of folks on the ground wanting to damage the former president for his political future, versus i view the several days and weeks leading up to january six as the more relevant time period from a legal perspective, and terms of gathering evidence and building a case that demonstrates conspiracy or seditious conspiracy, or conspiracy to defraud the united states. what representative raskin said the other day was that they committee had in its possession hundreds of messages between individuals connected to the violent extremist groups and folks in the former presidents inner circles. they only released a fraction of those. to me, that was the most important pieces of information that we still don't know in terms of evidence that a committee has obtained. >> anderson, i think that is true that the committee has laid out the fact that the former president was very much involved in getting the word out there that this rally was going to happen. he is the one

that did it. in fact the then protesters change the day at the time that they would come to washington after they saw his tweet. he was communicating with them the best way that he knew how, which was to twitter. the time that he was not doing anything, when this was actually happening, when stuff was going down, it is even more potentially evidence and damning and prove that that was what he wanted. perhaps, when that was happening, he had some idea in his head that one of the other fantasy theories about how he could stay in power could come to fruition, even though there was no way, because as we heard from testimony after testimony, that was not legally possible. >> anderson, whenever every time you talk about xerox xerox

machines, i can see all the millennials and the gen z people googling with that is. keep talking about it. >> it's like, i can look at a, it's fun i didn't say ditto machine. -- i appreciate. it's still more to come on the january six investigation including the women that promised to release the kraken, and thought she had a been appointed special counsel, sydney powell and the background of this person who is at the center of the ever turning election. who better to talk about these mesmerizing new pictures then -- william shatner. who did actually go into states last year. that's ahead. yesterday during the mystery testament outlined the take care of myself. i try to stay in shape. that's really important, especially as you age. i noticed after kids that my body totally changed. i started noticing a little pudge. so i took action! coolsculpting targets, freezes and eliminates treated fat for good. no needles, no incisions. discuss coolsculpting with your provider.

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yesterday during the mystery testament outlined the white house meeting in december of 2020, and others describing that meeting in the white house that descended into a vortex of basically crazy, sydney, and

the dot com guy trying to talk to former president of using powers. they thought he had to up in the election. >> i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. well yeah, i don't think they were providing, first of all -- i know who this guy was. well, i walked in and i looked at him and i said who are you. >> in a short period of time that you had with the president, did he seem receptive to the presentation you are making? >> he was very interested and hearing, particularly about bonding, and the terms of 13 a, foray but apparently nobody else has bother to inform him on. >> the three of them are really forcefully, attacking me, and asking one simple question, as a general matter. where is the evidence?

>> i'm gonna categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it in another way, you guys are a bunch of [bleep]. >> he screamed at me that i was a quitter, stood around and kept screaming at me. and was concerned when i had it with them. i yelled back. i have to come over, -- sit your effing ass back down. >> among the people you saw that i was sydney powell, that was the one sipping the doctor -- diet dr. pepper, are eric the center of overturning the election. >> here's what sydney powell says donald trump was planning for her. while she was helped him promote his election fraud claims. >> pat cipollone if he has the authority to name the special counsel on -- and ask him if he

had the authority to give me whatever security clearance, pat cipollone said yes. and then the president said, okay, i'm naming her and i'm giving her security clearance. >> what was that white house counsel pat cipollone's response? >> i was vehemently opposed. i didn't think she -- should >> and she wasn't appointed. sydney powell has a history of dabbling and conspiracy theories. and spreading lies about election fraud. a week and a half after election day, she was asked by a sympathetic tv host if she believed the election results are part of an effort to overthrow -- trump's presidency. >> oh, absolutely and it's been organized and conducted with the help of silicon valley people, the big tech companies of social media companies, and even the media companies. and i'm going to release the kraken. >> release the kraken. >> release the kraken, a catch favor the four decade old movie, that became a catchphrase for releasing the evidence.

>> i can hardly wait to put the evidence that we've collected on dominion, starting with the fact that it was created to produce altered voting results in venezuela. for hugo chavez. >> donald trump ranted about the dominion voting systems company to, -- >> with the turn of a dial, with a change of a chip, you could press a button for trump, and the vote goes to biden. >> those allegations from the former president, and the attorney that was part of the postelection legal team, is evidence free. none of a true. >> it's really the most massive ad historical egregious -- the world has ever seen. >> not only is sydney powell an attorney, she's also a former federal prosecutor, who made these comments without any evidence. >> we had counterfeit ballots, we have dead people voting by the thousands if not hundreds of thousands. >> this past summer powell did an interview and australian

television, she thought -- would be receptive to a conspiracy theory, she was mistaken. >> the organization had the responsibility to check the nature of this election and to verify its results, say there was no fraud. >> that's propaganda they're putting out. i disagree with that completely. we have and will produce traditional evidence that shows otherwise. >> are you saying thousands of americans participated and a fraud? >> i'm saying the thousands of americans at some rule, knowingly or unknowingly. >> these claims have led to lawsuits. her own lawyers defending her in a defamation lawsuit filed by dominion. made a notable claim arguing, that no reasonable person would conclude that her statements were statements of fact. >> but our attorneys also declared, she believed the allegations then, and she believes them now. >> do you ever hear yourself and thinks that sounds ridiculous? >> no. i know myself very well,

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new data from the borough layer statistics shows that inflation -- marking the biggest year over year jump in consumer prices and more than 40 years. overall prices for goods and services rose by 1.3% from may to june, that's the biggest monthly gain since september 2005. inflation woes and worries of a looming procession looms high on people's mind, with midterms later this year likely be foremost on people's minds on election day. the president called the inflation

reading quote, unacceptably high and set tackling inflation is his top priority. we also claim that the reading is out of date, noting a decrease in gas prices in the last three days. this comes as president biden hinted he would welcome another run against the former president. >> are you projecting a biden trump rematch in 2024? >> i'm not projecting, but i would not be disappointed. >> so, you look forward to that rematch? >> look, the one thing that i know about politics in america, politics is that there is no way to predict what's gonna happen. i'm not halfway through my career at. there's a lot of room to figure out what's gonna happen. >> we decided to release the kraken tonight. joining me is our favorite analyst senior data reporter barry enten, you don't even know what that filaments? >> it's all good now. i'm caught. up >> the remake as well. obviously, inflation is a huge concern number one concern by many people.

>> so, you know i made a living number of slides in the first slide is complicated, a walk us through it. i'm -- so, we are not that old. my mother perhaps. in any event, i love my mother. the point is take a look at joe biden's job disapproval rating since last year. july of 2022, then look at it in seven months ago in december 2021, july of 2021, december of 2021, and now. what do you see? you see his disapproval rate is rising from the 40s into the high 50s. at the same time with the percentage of people that say that there top concern is in fact inflation. back in july of 2021, a year ago, it was basically nobody who is saying that inflation was a large concerning, maybe outside of larry summers. it started picking up in december of 2021. now it's a clear number one issue, we see a clear correlation as more people are concerned about inflation joe

biden's disapproval rate climbs ever high. >> larry summers did get it right. how about how does president biden stack up against other presidents? >> yeah, so you look at both joe biden disapproval rating on inflation, and joe biden's disapproval rating overall. what we see is his disapproval rating on inflation is topping 70%, his disapproval rating overall still in the 50s but if you compare that to every single other president, at this point in the first term throughout pulling history, this goes all the way back to the 1940s. he is the worst on both. and the reason he's the worst overall, is because inflation is eating the presidency alive at this point. >> what does it look like a comparison between him and former president trump? >> one of the things i love about politics, is a song i think nothing from nothing was a song back in the 1970s. nothing from nothing --

>> if you matchup, if you matchup joe biden and donald trump, you look at their favorable ratings, you can see that joe biden's favorable rating is actually slightly higher than donald trumps. it's not that he's a popular guy, but if you look at that slide 41% is a higher favorable rating than 39%. and this gets about joe biden was talking about, why -- i'm fairly convinced at this point that the only candidate that joe biden could beat is donald trump. >> were to extend with voters choice for president? >> we had a new york times college poll that came out earlier this year, and what it actually shows it showed this, in your choice for president for 2024, joe biden actually leads donald trump 44% to 41%. but of course are that 10% that say that they would vote for another candidate relevant. you have two candidates with a favorable rating about 40%. >> are you friends with all the other data? people >> we all get together, i'm

actually going to cohen's wedding, it's in december. and maybe one day all invite him to my wedding, but that's not in the near future. >> some numbers on that. >> you know i'll send it back to you, -- new developments in mysterious murder of alex murdoch's wife and son, why is -- facing more charges soon, and what a texas house committee plans to do this weekend as they continue investigating the slow police response to the robb elementary scooting, 19 children, and two

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an update tonight on two mysterious murders in south carolina. you may remember more than a year ago, the wife and son of alex murdoch were found shot to death on family property. since then, we the family property. three other deaths in the families orbit have come under scrutiny. the murdoch family's legal dynasty has unraveled. alex murdoch's now disbarred eternity facing more than 70 charges including insurance fraud, attempting insurance fraud, financial fraud. randy's been covering the story, joins me now with informational possible murder charges against mr. murdoch. randi?

>> anderson, this grand jury's meeting here in south carolina tomorrow. i spoke with both alex murdaugh's lawyers and they both told me that the south carolina law enforcement division has informed the family, they're seeking murder charges against alex murdaugh. the lawyers of always defend them saying he was not in the family property at the time but his wife and son were murdered. but now the up to this grand jury here in south carolina to decide that there's enough evidence to indict alex murdaugh. here is what we know about the night that maggie and paul murdoch were murdered. (inaudible) >> june of last year, a disturbing 9-1-1 call from the murdoch family home and i linton, south carolina. >> are they breathing? >> no. i'm you said it's your wife and son? >> yes, my wife and my. sign >> what is your name? >> my name is alex, murdoch on.

>> that's alex murdaugh lots -- 22 year old son paul. the shooting happened here at the family's home, you can see the house on the road it's behind this gate. one colton county sheriff deputies arrived at the house that night on june the 7th, they quickly determine both victims had been shot multiple times, this is paul murdoch's death certificate it shows he's suffered shotgun wounds to his head and chest. alex murdoch said that he returned home and found his wife and son had been shot he's denied having anything to do with their that's listen to how he tells the 9:11 -- check to see if they were a breeding. >> i want you to touch them at all okay, i don't i don't want you to touch them just in case that can get any kind of evidence, okay? >> i already touched them. to see if they were breathing. >> from the start, despite alex,

he was identified as a person of interest in the double murder. but say that he was visiting his mother at the time of the murder, and has alibis to back that up as far as evidence in the kate south carolina's fits -- a source to acknowledge that the investigation referred >> -- high velocity impact spatter was found on alex murdaugh's clothes, which could play some good scene on a close contact with at least one of the victims when they were killed. high velocity spatter is associate with the use of a high velocity weapon like a rifle, especially use that close range, it creates a very specific blood pattern. news also reported that paul murdaugh's phone was found on a scene and he confirmed that source, on that phone, there is video which contains audio of alex murdaugh's talking with

his wife maggie close to the time of the murder. alex murdaugh, isn't seen the video bodies heard speaking with her, and that recording has a time stamp, which could be key to the investigation. we reached out to both of alex murdaugh's lawyers about all of this, they wouldn't go on camera but they told us on phone, they don't know the existence are quality of any evidence since he hasn't been charged. they did confirm this lad, the south carolina law enforcement decision, as infirmed murdaugh's that they intend to charge him with the murder but neither sled nor the attorney general has shared any evidence with them. >> randi, if the straight beings murder charges it clear what motive they would allege? >> it's quite unclear, anderson, in fact there's a lot of questions about the motive and it is really still a mystery, when i spoke with his lawyers today they describe his relationship with his wife maggie as a loving relationship, the lawyers also told me that maggie did not have any life insurance. it seems as though that could not have been a

motive. she did leave all of our property to him, we had a look at our will, all of our property did go to alex murdaugh. his lawyers tell me today he's looking to renounces interest in her estate and let it go directly to his only surviving son, buster. so, perhaps that wasn't a motive either. that's why it's really still a mystery but if he is indicted, anderson, he will remain in jail he's there facing many charges for financial crimes, some of which is already admitted to. and he has not been able to make that 7 million dollar bond, he will remain in jail we should know sometime tomorrow afternoon if the graduate doesn't item here in south carolina. >> all right, randi, now into texas where invested can be looking to the deadly school shooting in uvalde, pledges to meet this week with the victims families. seven weeks after the massacre, the 19 children, two teachers murdered are still demanding answers. why it took more than an hour for launch force meant to storm a classroom and robb elementary. cnn--'s joins us now from san antonio. what's the latest on the investigation into the shooting? >> it's still ongoing, anderson,

i've been talking to officials that say we still don't have a complete picture. yes, we have a video that's been leaking out there now, but there is still think about it anderson, there's still a lot of video that we haven't seen. there is audio transmission,. those communications, just the cops talking in the hallway that could also explain a lot. there's other angles inside that hallway that we haven't seen yet. all of that still being tightly held. and really right now, from this video, we're only getting one perspective, right? it's horrific to see but there are other perspectives that i'm told are going to answer a lot of questions. there's people certainly pushing to have that release, we still don't have a lot of answers to many of the questions, and the investigation as far as we know, are still ongoing, anderson, with the district attorney, the texas department of public safety, and of course the legislators are expected to release their findings this weekend. >> and this briefing that

supposed to happen this weekend by law enforcement, to the families that have been obviously waiting and deserve answers. do we know how that's gonna happen, and whether the report might be made public? >> right, anderson, that's gonna be those texas legislators, that's gonna happen on sunday, this is the committee that was formed by the state representative, they form this committee is three of them, they've been interviewing police officers, they've been interviewing former school police chief, pete arredondo, they've interviewed the mayor, interviewed other officials. so all of those findings are supposed to be made public over the weekend, the families are gonna have access to that information, they're gonna bring them in fairly early and they're gonna spend the afternoon taking questions from the family members. it's gonna be a private, the family members are gonna get to see the video, sadly again. the right way this time. and then at some point, those officials the texas legislators, as well as city officials, are gonna have a press conference i'm gonna be able to ask questions.

but still, anderson, despite all this, despite all this that's gonna happen in the next days and over the weekend. there's still so many unanswered questions, there's still a lot of information that we're still fighting and trying to get. >> -- appreciate it, up next we'll speak with our space explorer william shatner, and breathtaking images from the james webb telescope. we'll be right back. at the use of rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-week, deep wrinkles in 4. so you can kiss wrinkles goodbye! neutrogena® ♪ [crowd cheering] they did it. did it while working day jobs and fitting in bedtime stories. ♪ they did it with grit and determination. ♪ and so can you.

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anticipation, nasa this week released stunning images from the james webb telescope. it is incredible. the images the pick nasa's calls the deepest and sharpest infrared images of the universe to date. it shows the creation of new stars, the interactions between galaxies and providing insights on black holes. and just a moment, we will talk about these new

images with our famous base person william shatner. one of the last times i spoke with him, he had a brief visit the space. here is what he had to say. >> we flew down there and the black up there, it is just there is mother earth, comfort and is their death, i don't know. and then it's gone, jesus -- it was so moving when you handed me. it is the most profound experience that i've had. i am so filled with emotion about what happened. it is extraordinary, extraordinary. i hope i never recover from this. i hope i

maintain what i feel now, i don't want to lose it. >> with me now, after, author and spoken word poet singer william shatner. bill, it's good to have you back. looking at that, have you been able to hold on to that feeling since returning from space? >> so much so. my team wrote a song called so fragile, so blue. i was entertaining for an hour at the kennedy center a couple of months ago. we performed numerous songs. among them was so fragile, so blue, the keynote song about that very experience. i use the phrase, i hope i never forget. why was i crying, why was i weeping uncontrollably? i had to sit down and figure it out. i was in grief for what we have done to the earth. i know we are losing the earth. as everybody knows, we are on the

brink of terrible tanks, unless we do something like now it will be too late and your five month old child will be suffering the worst of it. i will get out first. with your gray hair, you will be next. (laughs) -- and then we will stick it to the next generation! >> hopefully -- i realized that was the reason for the grief. i talk about it and entertain about it. >> when you see these breathtaking images of our universe -- >> that is exactly the phrase, breathtaking. here is what is breathtaking to me. 20 years ago, about this webb telescope idea came to somebody, and they put it together with billions of dollars because as time went on things improved. what they

thought was working 20 years ago, 20 years later, they have new equipment so you can see how complex it is. finally, they fire it up. apparently, 350 things have to go wrong -- go right and if any one of them did not happen, the mission is scrapped. ten billion dollars. it goes to an eddie in the gravitational flow. now, all i know is that you learn as the stream goes this way, the water going the other way so native americans paddling the canoe would go to these at ease. apparently that is the same thing in gravity. in these 80s where they park the webb telescope so that the gravitational pull would be at a minimum. the whole thing is aimed at gathering knowledge. the magic of human beings sending out these complex expensive things, well with the money, people will say, why not spend it on x, y or z. this is

the search for pure knowledge. what drives us to kill and maim and then drives us to look for knowledge that has no direct meaning, except what is the universe made of, how does it work and nothing, where does it go? >> by the way, i feel like you and i are having conversations that you have very late at night after a long night out and maybe we are in a pick up truck looking at the stars. >> i talked to a guy in korea its late at night there, so maybe we are. >> i look at these images, and i tried to read about the stuff. i'm not smart enough to understand even what i am looking at. nasa has said that this telescope can look backwards billions of years, practically to the big bang. i cannot wrap around the idea that we are seeing galaxies and stars being born.

>> yes, we are seeing them being born, but they have long since been born and probably died. here is the mystery, like one of the great mysterious. so this for town of light hits are right now at 13.8 or more billion -- in all the time, which is billions of years, that thing, that object that is setting that light is long gone. it's gone. when our telescopes look back, i day looking back at the late 13.8 or the beginning of the 13.8. >> i don't know! >> we need people on this program to tell us. >> but we only have you and me. we could've had neil de grasse tyson, but i wanted to talk to you.

>> don't you understand? >> i love neil degrasse tyson, but i wanted to talk to you. >> the more you know the less you know. >> exactly. >> where did those consultations go? where did they go? >> here's what's blows my mind, they said the universe is endless. what does that mean? how could it be endless? how can iit just keep going? >> that's the brand that came out of the tree that was looking for food. that is our brain. we are looking for stuff, where did they go? it's gone, it's gone. we can't imagine. >> i don't understand. >> that's it, you see. >> i like that i don't understand. for all the fear

about what lies ahead, i like that -- it's like religion. i like that there are mysteries that we cannot explain, and we have faith. >> when i used to phrase, unexplained. >> it ties in. >> that ties in. >> you have a show on netflix, a new show. >> no, it's an old show. >> but it's popped up my algorithm. >> it's so good and popular. in my new book which is coming out in october. >> what is it? what is it called? >> boldly go, and boldly go with knowledge. bold they go with vibration. >> i am intrigued, bill. >> of course, that is the object. >> listen, when the book comes out, i know you will have a whole lot of people, the first booking -- gayle king probably

has the second book. but i would love to have you, even if i am 20th in line, i would love to talk about your book. >> no, you and i are booked. we are booked already. but going back for as long as time as we have -- >> 20 seconds, that's all we have. >> the magic of this object that man-made means the whole world needs to be watching. america, canada and great britain, the search for pure knowledge. >> the folks at nasa, jpl, are extraordinary. i know you've been out there a bunch of times. >> and canada. >> they are the best and incredible. william shatner, i love having you on. bill, talk to you later. we will be right back. problem so lve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose.

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