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the legal process, the department of justice, local election officials, and a relentless pressure campaign to what he called, an attempt to stop steal. now the fact that nothing had been stolen, details, details it seems. i'll leave you all to decide whether this hearing so far has threaded a needle, or move drone needle. but were seven hearings in, we're learning tonight that january six committees upcoming eight hearing, will now turn to the number one 87. that's 187 minutes where the president of united states was radio silence. i mean crickets. well at least publicly. but what exactly what he's doing for over three hours? i mean after the capitol have been breached, and while he was being attack, officers were valiantly felt to protect members of congress, everyone inside that capital. as witnesses describe the mortal combat, almost medieval like combat, just what was the commander in chief, the one who

swore to do this -- >> i donald john trump do solemnly swear, reserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. the constitution of the united states. so help me god. >> that one. what was he doing? what was he doing for those 187 minutes while the american capital was under siege? i mean so far we've heard that mark meadows said, he didn't want to do anything. >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of, the rioters got to the capital mark, we need to see the president now. and mark looked up, he doesn't want to do anything. >> and why wouldn't he want to do anything? why is that? >> he doesn't think that they're doing anything wrong.

>> well, the committee seems to suggest that perhaps the reason he didn't think they were doing anything wrong was because well, he inspired them to do it. >> he wants the american people to march on washington, d.c., on january six 2021. >> now donald trump's calling on his supporters to descend on washington, d.c., january six. >> if necessary storming right into the capital. >> just what was that call to action, well, a tweet.. >> donald trump's 1:42 am tweet, galvanized his supporters especially the dangerous extremists in the oath keepers, proud boys, another racist and white nationalist groups, spoiling for a fight against the government. >> and although it was 1:42 am, i mean the late hours shouldn't -- when your roommates drunk

dials people. and what happened on january 6th, the committee says that was also no coincidence. >> i mean you don't think that people just happen to have the materials to build gallows outside the capitol at the spur of a moment, right? or that everyone happened to come prepared to march to the capital on the same day, at the same time? that's because the march of the capital was the plan all along. and if the testimony is right, fringe right-wing leaders knew it, people in the white house knew it, twitter employees may have known it, donald trump knew it. in fact he repeatedly pushed the even joined the march. >> i was aware of the desire of the president to potentially march, for a company the rally attendees through the capitol. >> okay, of all the people that

may have known it, he didn't make those plans public, which might just have given law enforcement a chance to prepare for. that this was gonna happen. and in the numbers that it dead will talk to one of the officers who was attacked at the capitol in just a moment. but he knew, before january six that a large crowd would march to the capital, on what, on the day they were supposed to certify the college results. i mean, look at this draft tweet. >> the committee has obtained this draft, updated, undated tweet from the national archive, it includes a stamp stating, president has seen. the draft tweet reads i will be making a big story checked and i am on january six, at the ellipse, south of the white house.

please arrive early, massive crowds expected. march to the capitol after, stop the steal. >> president -- in critical moments, for donald trump, and might come down to those at least 187 moments, the 187 minutes when everyone from his family, his advisors, again, the real ones the people who watched on tv were pleading with them. the 187 minutes when he seemed to have made a conscious decision, not to use the tremendous powers of the president, his powers they were well known to the president of the united states. i mean, he used them before when he mobilized thousands of nationalists -- unmarked dhs forces. all across the country. or when he mobilized, at the border wall champing them to use extreme measures. >> they're gonna use legal force, i've given the okay. whatever you are dealing with, a minimum of 500 serious

criminals. >> a minimum of 500 serious criminals. i'm thinking in my head, all the people who have been charged or investigated from that particular day on january six. but serious criminals he says, as opposed to what, the paramilitary forces moving information, or those with body armor on zip ties on that. walking into the capital, or those whose actions were ultimately lead to five deaths, police officers left with lifelong injuries. i wonder why didn't this warrant, -- from the commander in chief. maybe because he thought it wasn't personal enough. >> they're not here they're not here to hurt me, take the effing bags away, they've marched the capital from here. >> look, secret service they did not listen to them, okay, they didn't just take the bags away, or let them all. and they were armed in some capacity, at

least the ones are referring to -- but there was a mob that hung on his every word. a tweet less than a mile away. >> what made you decide to leave --, basically when president trump put his tweet out, we literally left right after that. you know, to me, if he would've done that earlier in the day, 1:30 we wouldn't be in this bad of a situation or something. >> maybe. and if that was the power that he held i'm wondering why did he weighed 187 days to tell them to leave. or the very least, to stand back and stand by. >> i recall i'm being very -- to film the video. >> so, it would take three attempts to get a video to finally said this -- >> go home, we love you. >> my next guest was a top investigator for the january six committee. he left a few weeks ago to launch an

independent bid for senate in missouri, john webb, thank you for joining me. it's nice to see you. >> thank you laura, glad to be here. >> john, i need task i've talked about this important moment 187 minutes. why are they spending this committee, that part of time in the next hearing focusing on that. what about it is so encompassing, isn't gonna be the most inside look we've had to debate about just what the president was doing? >> i think the hundred 87 minutes are absolutely crucial, there's a lot of questions that committees looking into about why they were security failure, or things that could've been done in advance possibly to stop this attack. but once the attack was underway, there's really only one person in the world to have the ability to

stop it, that was donald trump. the question is, why didn't he do more to stop. it was a during doing there was 187 minutes? was he asked to do something more entity refuse, and if you refuse why did he refuse. and, the hundred 87 minutes as kind as bookends between the breach of the capital occurred and when donald trump finally issued that statement, asking people to leave, but as that clip shows even that request that he leave, was not very strong. he said something to the effect, we love you, your special, then asked them to. wave so, there's a lot of questions about why donald trump and one person had the ability to stop the attack, didn't do more sooner. >> well, it wasn't the condemnation, and we love you does not say, stop what you're doing, it's the wrong thing to do, it's kind of the idea of maybe it's a good parent saying, we just destroyed this part of the house, but we still love you. it's not really the thing you want people to say. i do wonder about how much of this is new. a lot of people have been watching, a baited breaths, that each of these hearings and

you were part of this investigation committee. how much of what we're learning now is no, and is there a fear and i know full as a prosecutor, you have privacy and recency, you want to tell them what you want to tell them and you want to say that you told them, but there is a tendency of redundancy that can come into play. and undermine what's happening, how much of what we're gonna hear nest will be new? >> i think we will hear new information. each one of the hearing so far the american people have learned new information about what happened on around january six. i expect the same thing happened in this last hearing, it will be coming up next. week it would be hard to top the drama of cassidy hutchinson's testimony from a couple weeks ago, maybe it won't be the biggest hearing ever, i think it's really gonna be significant and it's gonna help fill those pieces of the puzzle, about what happened on

january 6th. >> one of the things we heard about liz cheney was that the former president had called a witness we have yet to hear from. and that the person didn't answer the phone, or didn't go through they told their attorney who then told the committee that about what was going. on there's been bred comes prior to this that have been laid out by congresswoman cheney, there's this notion of the former presidents watching and the air of intimidation of some kind. i haven't -- and whether it actually is intimidation. but had this been brewing for quite some time with the committee, was unknown there with other aspects like this that were happening? >> i think most of this is fairly recent information, we did hear from cassidy hutchinson's testimony, that she had been given a message indirectly from somebody who is saying you need to be loyal are something to that effect. and then this information that the vice chairwoman liz cheney just announce most recent caring,

this is new information, it's possible that there have been efforts all along to influence witnesses, but i think it's something that is either fairly new at happening, or recently came to the attention of the committee. >> finally, john, we're learning more about the discussions happening between doj and the committee. they're obviously not on the same platform, their roles are different, one is legislative, one is prosecutorial. there should be not an overlap essentially to maintain credibility. well we're learning now, is there more of an effort to share information, at least from the committee to doj. why hasn't that been happening all along, do you have any idea, can you speak to? that >> yes, these are two separate investigations, with two very different purposes. each of the investigation is ongoing. the house select committee was -- while they were in the most active phase of their investigation. of course, their investigation is ongoing but as

they're wrapping up these hearings, they're going towards the end of the active investigation, and starting to focus on report writing. so, the justice department's gonna have to pick things up, they're gonna get a lot of evidence from the committee, but you're gonna get evidence for their own investigative tools. the justice department's gonna have to make decision about an indictment. my own personal view, that should be as free of politics as it possibly can be, i'm concerned where the attorney general decides to charges should be brought, or they should not be brought against people like donald trump and his associates. that he'll be accused of being political either way. and so, the best thing he can do at this point, i believe, it's to try to take politics out of it as much as possible. the way to do that is to appoint a special counsel, somebody who's highly regarded, has a political as possible that can conduct an investigation without any influence, decision making from the political appointees of the justice department. >> so, not sydney powell?

>> not sydney powell. (laughs) i got it, thank you. my sarcasm is supposed to translate over the airways to you. i guess it did not. i thank you for being here, i appreciate it. i want you to watch this, and ask yourself the time the committee sent a not so subtle message to the justice department, listen. >> president trump is a 76-year-old man, he is not an impressionable child. >> well, i had the pressure building on merrick garland as the doj investigation goes on. legal perspective and former trump white house insiders joining me next. hey this just

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committee's hearings. a little straight to ryan noble who's on capitol hill, ryan what are you learning? >> laura, we're learning tonight from multiple sources connected to january 6th select committee, that the individual who donald trump is elected to a call shortly after cassidy hutchinson's testimony, that person declined the call. is a member of the white house support staff, a professional support staff that works in the white house on a daily basis. and that individual someone who normally was not accustomed to getting phone calls from the former president. that's why they declined the call, and then referred the information to their attorney. remember, laura, the committee provided this information at the end of their hearing on tuesday night. they didn't provide any information about this person's name, or why they believe that this was an example of witness intimidation. they said it was something that made them very concerned, that's why they referred that information to

the department of justice. this provides us with more context as to why they were concerned. this was somebody who's not in regular contact with the former president, but it's someone who had unique inside in tight what was happening in the white house during that period of time, specifically aspects of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. that they could either cooperate or maybe see something different about. so, that is why and they received this call, they were concerned, declined it, and refer that information to their attorney. we know that the committee has had some communication with this individual, we don't know how extensive that communication is, the chairman of the select committee betty thompson, tell us earlier today that this person hasn't been formally deposed. that's different, laura, you know this better than anyone as an attorney. that's much different than -- not under oath, the committee has had numerous conversations like that from other witnesses, they don't necessarily rise to the level of the deposition, under a.

which we've also seen. this is significant, it gives us unique insight into why the committee thought this was a problem, and why the committee decided to bring that information to light. chairman thompson also told me earlier today, we should expect to learn more about this phone call and why they believe it is a problem, in the days and weeks ahead. this is a significant development, something many people have been trying to figure out, we can report that the person who received this phone call was a member of the white house support staff, who had some knowledge of cassidy have tons in this testimony. laura. >> ryan noble, a well-known let's bring in our palette elliott williams, olivia choy, and david urban. first of all, they still call this person a witness, my ears perk up, when you hear witness. it's not something i haven't heard before, a member of the support staff or learning, someone's not accustomed to getting calls from the president, declined the call. my personality, i

would answer it, hit record -- but that's just. me elliott, the idea here of having this call come in, what do you think about this? >> it's big. unlike you laura, much of the chagrin of my family i pretty much screen everything. i don't know if i would -- here is to say, this is a big deal for the presidents intent. which is the one thing, the big thing you need to prove to get that witness tampering. does the person and tend to delay, prevent, hamper, or get it somebody else is testifying. if this were ivanka trump, mark meadows, or another person of the president was trying to call, and might not have been so alarming that it was picking up the phone. even if they were to be advisement in a proceeding. the fact that it appears to be a junior or support staff are, of to raise alarm bells for everybody. again, we talked about this just the other day on the program, just looking at the identity of who the person might be but go far to getting close to witness tampering. at least investigation. why is >> the idea that it's tampering, intimidation of some kind, it's

not the most shocking thing in the world, right? >> i love elliott's enthusiasm. number one, if it was a support stats -- i saw she looked craig had testified at some point, the white house photographer. >> we haven't heard from where they said. >> so, i'm not quite sure but just hear me out, when they say the president called him to claim the call, i need to tell you, your phone doesn't say donald trump code is on the phone, i'm not sure how they knew it was the president, all the president called, let me decline. >> they knew enough to call their lawyer. they got the call. >> if it was a characterization, someone who's not used to dealing with the president, not used to being in those circles. currently, the president assistant is molly michaels, you get perhaps a phone call from either her phone, or a number you recognize, right? this is why doesn't, i'm questioning, how do you know

was the president, how do you know it's the presidents assistant, how do you know it's coming from the white house, mar-a-lago, how do they know? that >> are you skeptical about something. this is breaking. news >> i will say, when i heard that honestly my first reaction is okay, he's worried. he's worried about what this person knows. so, that to me stands out. why are you reaching out to this individual, what is it about that person, whenever they know, whatever they saw, whatever they witnessed, are they the person was, that the photographer, is the person that manages the white house communications, do they know the switchboard, do they know where that walls that happened -- the dereliction of duty there. do they have firsthand testimony? and in terms of that, he's probably aware of that. giving cassidy hutchinson's damning testimony came, knowing trump, they're going down the

list. this is how it works with this inner circle, i've seen it firsthand, there go down a list and say who's vulnerable. what information to these people know, we need to get to them first is what i'm thinking. that's why my thinking went. >> i don't know how we know it's the president. >> you're right. i don't have, i couldn't charge this at all. let's assume for the sake of argument, there's a foundational reason that they knew that it was the president of the united states. okay, let's assume that for a second. i know it's an assumption, you need to connect the dots as well, if that's the case should he be worried? >> yes, look i want to be clear donald trump's not getting arrested tomorrow for witness tampering. i'm with you, laura, you couldn't charge this right now. i was at the justice department a long time, i dealt with witness tampering cases, during an ongoing proceeding number one you have the justice department, and number two there was a hearing yesterday or the day before and one of our witnesses came forward.

it's ongoing, and a call from someone who might be the target or subject of this to a junior staff member. no man, that is not -- it's suspicious. >> of all the dots that this committee's trying to connect. they get more ten u.s. and ten u.s., right? again, we don't know if the president called, the assessment that called, who knows, they didn't take the call, how do you know what he was gonna say. >> i do feel like this may have been -- named shaggy. part of me wants to soundtrack. it's a good song, it could very well be connected. i don't know your karaoke style. if you're doing that, all the day for it, but i have a lot of guests. if it was the president that call, the president knew this person was a witness, we haven't heard from the person yet, we don't yet know, this is why why here with the call was. but it raised enough alarms to have them contact their attorney.

and to be able to then tell the committee. there's been bread crumbs before about the idea of the slide away so and so is watching, they're watching out. innuendo is not gonna cut it in a legal courtroom. >> i sat here for the first impeachment, second impeachment, bombshell indictment tomorrow. >> i'm picturing seditious conspiracy, it wasn't me. witness tampering, it wasn't me. obstruction against united states, it wasn't me. >> why is here is a frankston ahtra rendition? (laughs) i'm just kidding, stick around. we're gonna continue this conversation after a quick break. i'll hear them all saying. let's bring back

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saying. let's bring back elliott williams, david urbana, living archway, we have some big news from ryan noble that there seems to be a right house staff are, they believe, who is the person that received a call they did not accept, older attorneys, then told the doj. olivia, you mentioned that you think whoever it is no matter what happens, indicates the president was scared? you know how this white house operated, any idea of assuming this was the president that called, what makes you think they're so

frightened? >> it's paranoia. i think they're concerned, they're worried that someone's gonna cooperate with cassidy hutchinson said in her testimony. that may be part of it. i think it's twofold to, i think that individuals probably nervous and scared to. i think that's probably why they refer to their attorney, they're probably concerned, they're worried about what happens next, if it's the former presidents calling you it's probably not for a good thing. especially during the hearing we saw that there had been threatening messages, messages of intimidation, so i think when you take that all into context, i'm thinking, he's thinking okay, who else knows about this that can justify or corroborate the information. >> you are nodding along, you think there's fear at some point? >> i don't think the president fears much unfortunately. i really don't. i just don't think the president fears much. he looks at it, six back, he sits back at home saying i'm afraid of this or that, i don't think he looks at this is a challenge, he looks at this

he's been through all these impeachments, and nothing's happened, every day as i said before, there is indictment coming down, this is gonna be the end of donald trump, here comes now, wait until tomorrow it's the end. again, i think donald trump sits and looks at this and says and most republicans are said, across america aren't paying attention. they think this is first impeachment, second impeachment, this is more the same. >> i disagree, i don't want, a part of me just cannot buy that. i understand the idea of the perceptions of a partisan -- up until a few months ago, liz cheney is not really of rhino, adam kissinger is a republican, and these are republicans who are testifying. that doesn't matter you think? >> i don't dispute any of that, i think some of the testimony

we heard is very compelling. we're watching these folks come up there and say their piece, i don't think they're telling the truth. i think it doesn't matter, i think that again, they're waiting, they're looking at the current economics, the circumstances in their live, the previous segments today said, look how bad america's feeling by the economy, by the future of our country, all these things. they weigh that against this guy donald trump, he may have done something's wrong, i know he's not perfect. my 401k was better, i can fix my washing 19. i think that's how people live in the real world. there are a great deal of people that are concerned about what happened on january six, i don't think they make the connection directly that there is a nexus between donald trump saying, do this and people breaking through the windows of the capital. >> so, talk about the first impeachment, it's a little bit more abstract international, people can't wrap their heads around. it and it's not just charging people breaking through the wall, you're talking about when we're having a throwback to 2002. i need two

or three crimes, there is also obstruction of justice, intimidating an officer, i just wrote these down. -- all of these crimes, that came up in connection with january six, so it's a fair criticism that you have vandalism charges, disruption of property, but a whole number of crimes that people watch on television took place. i think, it's fair that trump -- going back to the first impeachment is something that people don't have much use for anymore. this is something different. >> we'll see, the committee's job is to help in light in and give the information. they're not prosecutorial, their job is to essentially speak to the court on the public electorate. thank you, we'll be back in a moment. what do you, what do we all make of this moment, this one when a convicted rioter went over some of the officers at a top apologizes, could this committee doing enough to

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with a -- january 6th attack. after buying into the 2020 election lie, he answered president trump's call to come to washington and march on the capitol. after testifying yesterday, areas apologized to some of the officers who were assaulted by that mob. that includes michael fanone, author-able coming out this october it's called, hold the line, the insurrection, and one cops battle for america's soul. michael, great to see you. i need to know what's your reaction to that moment was, i was watching in realtime, watching all of you, and i wondered what you are thinking in particular?

>> i really wasn't thinking anything, i was caught off guard. i would definitely was not prepared for that, no one had let us know that that was gonna take place. and you know, i think a lot's being made about that moment, and i don't, know i'm more concerned with focusing on the future of our democracy, and ensuring the security of this country. i think there is time for kumbaya, holding hands, we can do that later after we've held people accountable for january six. and for the crimes that were committed that led to january six. >> in a way what you're describing is pretty selfless, and mind what you'd expect from a police officer. it's not about me, it's about what's happening around. but to date, with seven hearings in, we haven't heard much except for that very first public carrying many months ago, from officers like yourself testifying on the hill. do you think the committee has given enough attention to what you all face that day and any shortcomings about why there was such an

outgunned, out weapon force that day? >> yes, and no. the committee dedicated an entire hearing to all testimony, they included caroline edwards testimony in the first of i guess, most recent set of hearings. so, in that regard i think they have represented law enforcement, proportionate to the other hearing that they've had. but that being sad, i don't think law enforcement's contributions to securing the capital on january six happened than appreciated procreate way by anyone. most importantly, th e current administration. >> you know, on that note and i want to hear more about that. i want to play for you with sergeant campbell, you know

he's an officer that sustained injuries, that are unable to be overcome, you cannot return to the floor. you watched, it was heartbreaking to see the reaction even now, we cannot be part of what he wanted to do, let's listen. >> it's a life-changing moment for me. i had to plan, instead of celebrating a promotion, and now i had to plan my retirement. and my life with those injuries. when i left the department, it's not under my own terms. >> i mean, what is your reaction to this administration as well, not doing enough to appreciate and recognize, could more be done to recognize say what's happened to him, he's not leaving on his own terms, he was forced out based on what happened on january six, to him in so many others.

>> i knew him, personally obviously, and i'm pretty well versed in his experience. unfortunately, it's very similar to many officers experiences, when they saw her career ending injuries. you, know he's had to jump through a lot of hopes with u.s. capitol police, i mean, it's a similar experience with my former department. you know, unfortunately the agency's event, isn't a hand holding, loving and today. it's just an agency. and it works the same as most government agencies, it's indifferent to the personal experiences of its employees. >> wow, look at the administration be doing? >> i mean, listen, the police officers that responded on january six, are solely responsible for the safety and

security of members of congress that day, their staff. yes, we lost lives unfortunately it was only a few lost lives. however tragic, we didn't lose any members of congress. which we've seen over these hearings was the intended goal of many of those who came to the capitol that day. i was disappointed to see, that president biden didn't include any members of the metropolitan police department, or u.s. capitol police for that department, in the recent honoring or rewarding a presidential medals of freedom. i know that the congressional medal was given, but only really an honorary fashion. we give awards in the military and law enforcement for a purpose. it's to recognize the sacrifices of the individual officers, members of the military, and their efforts.

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up to donald trump, and that's up to republicans to decide whether they believe -- should be donald trump to begin with. >> is that a good thing, if trump runs, if that's the rematch or is that the idea it's biden and trump against, but it's not trump? >> it's a disaster if donald trump stepson politics for another section. it's not good for the country. tactically for the president, president biden that, is one of the presidents greatest strengths talk to any republican, it is decency. he's a good match. i disagree with his politics, but he's a good man. one of the essential reasons -- would've won the presidency was because of the contrast between his decency, his dignity, his respect for other people versus the chaos and disrespecting obscenity that is donald trump. he's characterized much of the comments you heard earlier in the show. i think that matchup, proves that president biden -- >> there is decency and then

there's inflation. (laughs) >> joe biden ran on a bunch of promises, look, he's a very nice person. i'm not gonna knock joe biden as an individual. he's doing a terrible job as president. you could be a nice guy, but you could be a terrible president. the poll numbers show this clearly. he ran on being, bringing people together, bringing america together i'm not gonna have this divisiveness in america. people, if biden would've came and said build build back better, and a couple smaller bangs, you guys would've been in power for 100 years. instead he came in try to do too much, he didn't get anything done. >> you don't have an opinion about this? >> so, first off, he came in on a massive global pandemic. >> trump lost during a massive pandemic. >> covid is now far down, because -- trump deserves, and the administration -- it was a

disaster. >> president biden did a much better job, they pass the largest investment in our nation's infrastructure. in modern history, infrastructure, every week for four years under donald trump and literally became a tagline. the president has continued, he came in with a mess, he continues to deliver, the fact is if we had republicans that were willing to address some of these major issues between climate, between longer term investments, taking on china, they're now holding hostage a supply chain bill to strengthen american manufacturing. to saying something -- life we're not gonna work with you on a bill that we passed. that's crazy. >> congressman, you can say all those great talking points, they're great. >> you need to add a point. >> he's good. he's really good at it. but with the american

people aren't buying at, it's simple as that, they're just not buying it. they're just not buying it. and that's why you're gonna see all your former colleagues be unemployed in a few months, they'll all be looking for jobs, because nobody in america wants this agenda that's being pursued by the biden administration. they just don't, otherwise you wouldn't be losing all these seats, there wouldn't be fear amongst democrats nationwide, other than joe biden in 24. >> the book that you referenced has democrats up 40%. >> not that great, but go ahead. >> it's a poll that and as disastrous as my good friend here says, things are for the current president he beats donald trump in that poll. >> wow, that that may have been the mic drop. >> joe kennedy, david urban, thank you so much. we'll be right back. hey thanks for bubbles so many bubbles!

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right back. hey thanks for watching everybody, i'll be back tomorrow, don lemon tonight starts with right now, down lauren. hey don. >> hi laura, we'll see you tomorrow let's get to this new reporting, i'll see you tomorrow. this is don lemon tonight, justin sources telling cnn the former president, president trump, tried to call a member of the white house support staff who was talking to the january six committee. okay? that's in addition to the person that committee co-chair, liz cheney talked about yesterday at the hearing. they support staff or was not someone who routinely communicated with them. and was concerned about the contact, that's according to sources, and informed their attorney. this is a big development, we're gonna have lots more in just a moment on that, we have some reporting on that. and people up on capitol hill of washington are gonna give us the very latest, the big question about january six is,