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the buffalo supermarket where ten people were killed in a racist rampage in may is reopening. the tops friendly market store will open tomorrow. it's been a complete renovation. there's a memorial water wall that includes a poem. it reads in part, "let the hopeful healing waters flow, cleansing all pain and fear, all hurt and regret. let the water heal our people." thanks are for joining us. anderson is next. good evening. we have some breaking news toe bring you now involving one of the most dramatic moments of testimony tenth january 6th investigation. just a short time ago a source told cnn that a witness has now corroborated details of a story first relayed by cassidy hutchinson about a condition fron taigs between the former president and his security detail the day of the attack. here's how cassidy hutchinson recounted the details to the committee. >> the president said something
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to the effect of i'm the f'ing president, take me up to the capitol now to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol." mr. trump then used his freehand to lunge towards bobby angle. and when he recounted the story to me he mentioned towards his clavicles. >> and was mr. angle in the room as mr. ornato told new story. >> he was. >> did mr. angle correct or disagree with any part of the story from mr. ornato? >> mr. angle did not correct or disagree with any part of the story.
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>> did mr. angle or mr. ornato ever after that tell that you what mr. ornato had just said was untrue? >> neither mr. ornato or mr. angle told me ever that it was untrue. >> we're joined by congress impressional correspondent ryan noble. do we know who this witness is and what they're saying that allegedly backs up cassidy hutchinson's testimony? >> reporter: we don't have a lot of specifics but our reporters were able to learn that there was a metropolitan police department -- police officer, this was someone working for the washington, d.c. police force, that was part of the motorcade that did speak to the january 6th select committee and was able to corroborate, at least a little bit, about donald trump's position and his attitude on that day of january 6th. and specifically, that he was angry and had the desire to go to the capitol on that day. this wouldn't have been an officer that would have been specifically in the presidential suv that was --
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which is in dispute right now, but someone that was part of that group of vehicles that would have taken the president from the ellipse back to the white house. just another example of someone who has testified to the committee. you cannot lie to congress. about what they saw on that day, versus the secret service which has pushed back on cassidy hutchinson's account but have done so for the most part through not statements that were put out under oath and in a public setting. >> so to that point, are there plans by the committee to get the secret service agents who were in the presidential vehicle that day to testify under oath? because it does seem pretty weird that an unnamed person supposedly with the secret service put out the word that, oh, secret service agents disagree with what cassidy hutchinson said, and yesterday nobody is on the record, even with their names disagreeing, and nobody is actually under oath disagreeing. >> reporter: so the secret service main spokesperson did say on the record, did dispute
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on some level cassidy hutchinson's testimony, but not in a fullsome way, and they did it even more with the anonymous sources. to your point, whether or not bobby angle and tony ornato, serbly the only two people, aside from the driver of the limo seen itself, that could actually fully be able to counter or confirm cassidy hutchinson's testimony, members have said their recollection was a little bit more murky than the recollection of cassidy hutchinson. and the secret service has said that they are willing to come forward and testify again. but it's also important to point out, anderson that from the committee's perspective, whether or not donald trump actually grabbed the steering wheel, whether or not he lunged at a secret service agent that is not as important as the fact that he was angry and he wanted to go to the capitol. as we've said time and time again, no one, including the secret service agents, both on the record and talking anonymously, have ever disspeed that facts. >> there's also reporting that we have regarding the secret
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service that i find incredibly -- kind of impossible to understand. there's word of deleted text messages from on and around january 6th. can you explain what you know about this? >> reporter: yeah. what's interesting about this anderson, and jamie, zach and i were able to put this story together. this comes from a letter that was sent to the department -- or i should say the committees dealing with homeland security and both the house and senate from the inspector general of the department of homeland security. department of homeland security is a -- or the secret service is a subsidiary of the department of homeland security. what the ig is sake is they had asked the secret service to not only preserve but hand over text messages from agents on both january 5th and january 6th, and according to the ig, after that request was made, that the secret service underwent would they said was a device replacement program and over the course of that replacement program, all of
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these text messages were deleted. now, the committee finds that to be a problem. the homeland security committee, of which bennie thompson is the chairman of in addition to being the january 6th committee. we have a statement from gary peters, the senate chairman of the homeland security committee also concerned about it. secret service has pushed back on it a little bit. they have said not completely or on the record that the ig's perception of this is not 100% right but they have yet to back up their claims as to. why the issue here anderson is this is information that these committees have been looking for, for more than a year and a half. they're just now finding out that this information doesn't exist. that is a big problem among many other problems associated with this. and it just makes trying to figure out the information that these committees, these various different organizations that are investigating what happened here on january 6th, it just makes that job that much more difficult. >> well, yeah, it raises all sorts of questions about the credibility of the secret service, which is, you know, stunning. i mean, i don't understand on
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such a consequential day in history how anybody in the secret service or anywhere in a national security establishment thinks it's a good idea to delete the text messages detailing what was going on in the inner circle of the white house that day. that boggles the mind, doesn't it? >> reporter: i think it does. and secret service, they have begun the process of reaching out to the media to respond to this letter. we are told that it came as a surprise to them that they did not expect to see it. and they do believe that they have an explanation for exactly what you're talking about, anderson. we have not been given that explanation yet. but they say that there's an easy way to allow us to understand exactly what happened here. so we should give them the benefit of the doubt. they haven't had the chance to completely respond to this. but you're right. in total there's been a lot of questions about the secret service, the role they played in terms of what happened on january 6th with the former
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president, and the former vice president, and so all of these things are questions that the committee has, that they want answers to. when you don't have all the information it makes it that much harder to paint the entire picture that they want to paint for the american people. >> yeah. ryan nobles, really appreciate your reporting. joining us now cnn national security analyst julia chaim, former assistant which oversees the service, and jonathan, a former secret service agent. jonathan, i've got to start with you. first of all on the text messages, again, i guess ryan nobles says we haven't. the secret service says they have some sort of explanation. the explanation is that the text messages weren't erased. but they have an explanation. is this normal? >> no, it's not. first of all this is a big embarrassment for the secret service, one that they were caught off-guard, and the fact
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that they didn't have the ability to quick respond. but i have a lot of questions for both dhs, the inspector general, and the secret service. first, the inspector general stated that many text messages were erased as part of this technology upgrade. i want the word "many" quantified, because what i'm hearing from sources at the secret service was that the request for information and text messages from 20 key agents that were involved unjanuary 6th were received by dhs inspector general. so i want to actually know, you know, is missing text messages a material -- part of a material fact in their investigation some if the answer is yes, the secret service really has to come out very strongly and articulate exactly what happened, why those text messages were missing. and again it also leads to a second order of consequence which is, were they in violation of the federal records act. if you are going through a technology upgrade, you need to have safeguards that information that is critical in
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terms of preserving data and information is adhered to, and that is the law. >> andrew, and again i should point out again we don't have all the response from the secret service, so with that caveat, does this make sense to you? >> no, it doesn't make sense at all. i think what jonathan said is absolutely right. and let's remember here, back up one step, the secret service is an investigative organization. they don't just do protection for the president and other dignitaries. they investigate cases. and part of investigating cases, you have an obligation to preserve information, both good and bad, and turn that information over to defendants. and, of course, in criminal prosecutions you have discovery obligations. in text messages between agents come within the scope of those discovery obligations. so if this is a pattern or practice of routinely losing text messages, that is not consistent with the efficient and landfall running of an
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investigative organization. so there are many, many questions that need to be answered here. i agree with jonathan that there's a lot more that we don't know here. there may be some nonnefarious answers, but there's a lot of information we need. >> julia, the idea that messages are deleted as part of what's called a device replacement program after they were sought by officials, if that is, in fact, the case, does that make sense to you? >> no. i mean, i think -- it doesn't sound credible. so if there is a credible explanation, the secret service needs to provide it. the normal upgrade that they're talking about would still retain your texts, because they're part of government service, and they're for retention purposes. let's be serious, secret systems. you know what happened on january 6th, and this is going to be the moment in which you're not protecting the evidence that you know might be relevant? also, there's also another problem here, which is, of
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course, the department of homeland security also exists. it oversees the secret service. it really needs to get out in front of this. this is their component agency. this is the second or third time where the secret service simply says their story isn't true, whoever is complaining, cassidy hutch you know son, whoever. we know the truth. well, that's not good enough anymore. this was an insurrection. they may have a job, a mission, but they actually take an oath of office to protect the constitution. >> john dean, if it does turn out that text messages were deleted, intentionally, for whatever reason, and the secret service strongly denies, but again has not offered any real explanation here, do you think that creates any legal jeopardy for those involved? >> it certainly could if they intentionally did it, if there was some nefarious reason that they did it. anderson, i'd also put this in
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context. this isn't the first tile information from the secret service has gone missing on the 6th. the president's daily diary for that did i has caisson-hour gap. the secret service is one of the principal entities that feeds the diarist that keeps the presidential record for that day. apparently the secret service couldn't supply information about that day. so there's seven hours missing there, too. we've never had a good explanation of that. so this is a pattern. and it's troubling. >> thanks, everyone. obviously there's more to be reported on this. the former president seems to be looking ahead, not back. coming up, new reports signaling his 2024 run. the question is when le make the announcement. we'll talk it over with our political panel. also murder charges against a once prominent south carolina attorney in the death of his own wife and son. this is a bizarre saga we've been cuffing more than a year.
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a strong signal tonight the former president is planning a 2024 run for the white house. he spoke with new york magazine. the headline reads, "i've already made that decision." the only question left in the former president's mind is when he'll announce. the question is will it be before or after the november mid-term elections. this comments comes on a story of behind the scene negotiations. the sub headline, quote, some republicans fear an announcement will undercut them at a chance when -- at a time when they have a strong chance of winning election. another said he may still decide to announce sooner than december. they quote two people saying trump has begun talking with advisers about who should run a campaign, and his team has instructed others to have an online apparatus ready should he announce soon. joining us, political
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correspondent and anchor of inside politics sunday abby phillip, and former republican congressman charlie dent, and david urban. abby, on the surface it seems like the former president is going to run. is anything with him that simple? >> i mean, i think this is probably maybe the worst kept secret in washington and in politics. i think it has always been more likely than not that trump would run again for president. he's been teasing it for many, many months. i mean, pretty much since he left the white house. so it's a question of when he announces it and how he runs for president. i mean, i think that the big undercurrent of loot of the hemming and hawing on the part of his advisers is how much is he going to be fixated and obsessed on his loss to joe biden, and so far he hasn't given any indication that he is any election fixated on that even though many of his allies want him to turn to more
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substantive issues. it just does not seem like that is what is motivating him at the moment. >> david, you've talked about that about him not looking forward, but relitigating the past. as a former strategist do you think announcing a bid before the midterms is a good idea for republican candidate? >> listen, democratic party is going to run against donald trump whether he's announced or not announced. it does put candidates in a particular pickle, right. they are going to be asked questions about do you support what occurred on january 6th. they're going to be dragged through a myriad of questions about that whether they believe that joe biden was the duly elected president of the united states. they are going to have to be on the record on that in debates. i would think it would behoove the president for the party, right, if he were to run after the primary -- excuse me, after the general election were held here in the fall. but as we all know he the president is going to do what he wants to do. >> congressman dent, if he announces before the midterms how do you think republicans
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who are going to be on the ballot this november deal with him? do they embrace him, keep their distance while campaigning? i guess it depends state by state. >> well, yeah, certainly, anderson, for those who represent swing districts and swing states they're going to want to keep their distance from donald trump. the democrats will be thrilled if donald trump announces before the midterm. republicans want to make this midterm election a referendum on joe biden and the democrats. to the extent that donald trump inserts himself into the midterms by announcing he turns this into a choice. that plays right into the democrats' hands. and i've heard some voices out there on the republican side saying trump will gin up the base, that's what you need. these are people who have never run in swing district or swing states, who need to persuade independent voters as well as some democrats in order to win. they don't have enough of a base. so i would think that kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell want nothing more than for donald trump not to announce before the midterm. it will make it much more difficult for them to capture
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majorities in both chambers. >> david urban, if he announces before the thing, before mid temperatures, and republicans do well, then he gets to claim credit. if they do badly -- smee eel blame coach mccarthy and mitch mcconnell. >> there you go. it works either way for him. >> congressman dent has a point. charlie's run in a swing district, right, that this year could easily go for a republican, right? i always said that, you know, charlie dent was the only person that could hold that seat forever. now we're in a year where republicans can take back that seat theoretically. with the president jumping in it may make it even more tough. >> abby, on his overseas trip biden was asked about a potential rematch with the president. >> are you predicting a biden trump rematch of 2024? >> i'm not predicting, but i would not be disappointed. >> you will not be disappointed.
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so you look forward to that? >> look, the one thing i know about politics, american politics in particular, there's no way to predict what's going to happen. i'm not even halfway through my term yet. >> yep. >> so there's a lot of room to figure out what's going to happen. >> abby, what do you make of the president's response? >> look, i think both of these are men who think that they're the best guys to go up against the other guy. but joe biden is the only one of the two who actually has the ability to say that he actually beat trump, and i think that that has been his message to his own party, and it's certainly going to be his message to the electorate going forward. i think biden sees this matchup as just probably the best-case scenario for him. a flawed candidate on the republican side who he has already beaten. there is already a sort of playbook for how to do it. and so of the scenarios here,
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let's say hypothetically a biden-ron desantis matchup, something to that effect, biden is looking at a biden-trump matchup saying this looks pretty good bick avenue already done it. the problem with trump is he's still in denial about the fact he lost to biden. i think that colors how he views what a matchup would be. >> anderson, real quickly, i'd just add that i think lots of voters have buyer's remorse. they voted for joe biden thinking he was going to govern in a completely different way. they thought he was going to be a centrist uniter, and he's really tapped hard left. i think crime, inflation, gas prices, all, you know, really translate into the historically low numbers. 85% wrong track in america. i think donald trump would beat joe biden head to head come '24. >> david urban, charlie dent. very quickly. go ahead. >> remember, donald trump is going to announce for one reason. he wants to freeze the gop
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republican field for 2024. he wants to keep ron desantis and pompeo and all these other candidates, prospective republican candidates, from rung. that's why he's doing this. he's trying to freeze the field, keep them out. >> do you think it is going to work? >> i think it will work with some of them. i don't think they're going to want to challenge him immediately. he's not doing this to help republicans. he's doing this to help himself in the presidential race. >> thank you allly. the horrific case of a 10- year-old girl in ohio who was raped, as an anti-abortion activist called this disinformation. keeping them honest, next.
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keeping them honest now, tragic story of a young girl who was raped and how her ordeal was politicized and lied about. the original story in the indianapolis star where the child was seek an abortion. the headline, patients head to indiana for abortion services as other states restrict care. the doctor in indiana named dr. caitlin bernard, an ob-gyn, is quoted as saying she was contacted by a colleague in
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ohio regarding the 10-year-old girl's situation. the paper said, quote, the girl soon was on her way to indiana for bernard's care. we do know the girl has now had an abortion. doctor in indiana is now under investigation by state officials. the child saga was cited by president biden in a speech about the need to protect abortion rights after which a number of politicians and right wing media outlets began to cast doubt that a 10-year-old girl had indeed been raped and traveled to indiana for abortion. one of the most prominent politicians was ohio congressman jim jordan. he tweeted out a headline that reads, quote, ohio attorney general david yost said his office has not found any evidence of a 10-year-old rape victim in the state who according to reports was six weeks pregnant and traveled to indiana to receive an abortion. the congressman added his own comment above the quote. it read, another lie.
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anyone surprised? yesterday, however, authorities in ohio announced the man they have charged with the rape has confessed. and it terse out the rape of the girl was reported to police in ohio two months ago. congressman jordan, or his staff, has since deleted his tweet and a number of news organizations that cast doubt on the story have corrected themselves or published updates as well. congressman jordan, however, an elected leader from ohio, has not. this is what he told cnn's chief congressional correspondent today. >> why did you delete the tweet? >> well, because we learned that this illegal alien did this heinous crime, so we deleted the tweet. >> do you apologize to the girl and the family for suggesting a lie? >> never doubted the child. i was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession, which happens all the time on twitter. doubted joe biden, which is usual al smart thing to do based on all the things he says
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tharnt accurate, but the washington post said they did a story 0, there was is no evidence, they hadn't seen any evidence. the wall street journal, our attorney general said the same thing. >> but your tweet is you were questioning her story that she was raped and that shed to go across state lines. >> not at all. came across as what joe biden had talked about. we were never questioning the child. >> congressman jordan could have said, i made a mistake and i regret it, but that's not something many politicians do today. it's certainly not politicians who want to stay in the good grazes of the former president have to do. they have to pretend to be tough guys, the persona jim jordan likes to adopt. notice he focused on the immigration status. it's diverting attention from his mistake and his refusal to apologize. it's a dodge, and a pretty weak one for an allegedly tough guy. as for his logic it's also a dodge. he very much did doubt the child.
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here's the tweets. another lie. anyone surprised? the focus of the headline that he had tweeted out was saying the state attorney general hadn't found any evidence of the rape of a 10-year-old girl. jordan was saying another lie. jordan was saying the girl, her parents, the doctor who performed the abortion, the president saying they were all lying. one of the news organizations is the wall street journal. that paper's editorial is actually instructive here. maybe congressman jordan should reread it, or someone on his staff should read it to him because not only the journal append an editor's note to the original op-ed, it also points readers to. this it published a separate editorial called correcting the record on a rape case. in it they state, quote, we appreciate our obligation to correct the record on the case which is a terrible one. they published a correction, and they called at quote obligation. jim jordan is an elected public official who helped fuel a lie about a 10-year-old girl who was raped and went to a state to have an abortion. and a public official would does that should have the same obligation to correct the
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record and maybe just maybe even apologize. but maybe that simple act of decency is too tough for a guy who works really hard pretending to be tough. tonight the story of that little girl is also playing out elsewhere on capitol hill. aisle joined by jessica dean. there was a moment between democratic congressman eric swalwell and an advocate on the hit. can you talk about what happened? >> anderson we're now seeing lawmakers on both sides walking forward in this post-roe world and what that looks like in this case is a house judiciary committee hearing on individual freedoms in the post-roe world. that's where we saw this exchange between swalwell and this woman. take a listen. >> do you think a 10-year-old should choose to carry baby? ?iebl would it probably impact her life and so therefore it would fall under any exception and would not be an abortion. >> wait. it would not be an abortion if a 10-year-old with her parents made the decision not to have a
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baby that was a result of a rape? >> if a 10-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape, and it was threatening her life, then that's not an abortion. sought would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation. >> are you familiar with disinformation? >> yes, i am. >> did you just hear some disinformation? >> yes, i heard some very significant disinformation. >> why don't you tell me about that. >> an abortion is a procedure, it's a medical procedure. that individuals undergo for a wide range of circumstances, including because they have been sexually assaulted, raped, in the case of the 10-year-old. it doesn't matter whether or not there's a statutory exemption. it is still a medical procedure that is understood to be an abortion. beyond that, i think it's also important to note that there is no exception for the life or the health of the mother in the ohio law. that's why that 10-year-old had to cross state lines in order
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to receive an abortion. >> disinformation there. it's also worth noting, anderson, that jim jordan is the ranking member on the house judiciary committee. that's a very powerful committee over in the house. and if republicans win in the midterms and take back the house, which it's expected they will at this point, he would most likely become the chairman of that committee. >> and some democratic senators also introduced a bill creating protection for abortion providers. >> reporter: that's right. we saw a group of democratic senator, women who introduced this bill. it would guarantee a constitutional right for women to cross state lines to get abortion care. it would also, as you mentioned, provide additional protections for administrators, doctors, providers, who provide that care for out of state patients. now, a lot of bills get introduced in the senate all the time, and as we've talked about many times they run into this 60-vote filibuster. so this one is certainly not going anywhere in a 50/50
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senate. but again, anderson, just an example of how the disughtsz are moving forward here in this post-roe world. we saw some very emotional comments and speeches from republican senators today who are very much against bills in this way. they called them radical. they said that they're just there to inflame people. meantime, the sponsors of this bill saying that they're very afraid that some states are going to essentially hold women captive in their states and not allow them to seek care across state lines. >> jessica deep, appreciate it. a grand jury indicts disgraced attorney alex murdoch for the murders of his own wife and youngest son. what his lawyers are saying about the new accusations tonight. bubbles bubbles bubbles bubbles there are bubbles everywhere! as an expedia member yoearn points on top of your airline miles.
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tonight an update on a story we brought you last night. attorney alex murdoch is now charged with killing his wife maggie and youngest son paul. in june last year you may remember they were shot to death on the grounds of the family estate. alex murdoch called 911 saying he had found them bleeding. he has always denied he was there at the time of the murders. his lawyer said he add strong alibi. now in addition to dozens of charges for financial crimes he's charged with the murders of his two family members. and that's, by the way, not all. randy cates has been covering this story and joins us from charleston. randi, this is nuts. >> reporter: anderson, today the grand jury in south
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carolina indicted alex murdoch for two counts of murder and two counts of possession of a weapon. the indictment alleges that he shot his wife maggie with a rifle and his youngest son paul with a shotgun. the indictment doesn't mention anything about a motive. what's interesting, anderson, that these two deaths are not the only deaths that appear to be related or connected to alex murdoch and his family. here's what we know about the others. >> is it on the road or the side of the road? >> he's laying in the road. >> reporter: seven years ago this month steven smith was found dead in the middle of a south carolina road. >> seven years with no answers for you in terms of what happened to your son. what does that feel like? >> heartbreaking. he was a human. and he deserves justice. >> reporter: sandy smith is steven's mother. she says he was a bright, blue- eyed 19-year-old with dreams of becoming a doctor. steven smith's body was found in the middle of this road.
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a pathologist said it appeared to be a hit-and-run but the highway patrol's incident report noted they didn't find any vehicle debris, skid marks, or injuries on steven's body, consistent with someone being struck by a vehicle. according to the case notes, steven died from blunt-force trauma to the head. >> what do you believe happened to your son? >> i believe he was betten to death. >> being hit by a car sa brutal and violent act. you would have lots of injuries all over your body. i have never seen a hit-and-run where the shoes remained on the feet. >> evidence from the scene shows steven's loosely tied shoes were still on his feet. steven's mysterious death may be connected to alex murdoch and his family. the disgraced south carolina lawyer is now charged with the double murder of his wife and son. in fact, sled, the south carolina law enforcement division, said they reopened the investigation into steven smith's death based on information gathered at the
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double murder scene of maggie and paul murdoch. and there are others connected to the murdoch family who have also died mysteriously. >> i don't know anybody in my 60 years of life that had five people die in their orbit. >> reporter: attorney eric bland represents the family of gloria satterfield. she was the murdochs' longtime housekeeper who died after falling down the stairs. murdoch's wife was still alive and called 911. >> my housekeeper has fallen and her head is bleeding. >> reporter: satterfield later died in the hospital. according to the coroner an autopsy was never done, and hermaner of death was listed as natural. the coroner noted that was inconsistent with injuries sustained in a trip-and-fall accident. state law enforcement recently announced plans to exhume the woman's body as part of a criminal investigation into her death. >> everything around alex is a lie or deception or half
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answers. it's a family that's cloaked in secrecy. >> reporter: and the truth about what happened to 19-year- old mallory beach may have dade with alex murdoch's son paul. she was killed in february 2019 while boating with paul murdoch and a friends. >> we're in a boat crash on arthur's creek. there's six of us and one is missing. >> reporter: paul was facing charges of boating under the influence and causing her death when he was suddenly murdered. the investigation is ongoing. now all these years later, these victims' families are still hoping for answers, and alex murdoch isn't talking. >> has he had any response to the indictments handed down today? >> reporter: anderson, alex murdoch's lawyers issued a statement on his behalf saying he wants his family, friends, and everyone to know that he did not have anything to do with the murders of maggie and paul. it goes on to say he loved them more than anything in the world. but it's worth noting, anderson, that last year after these murders it was alex
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murdoch himself who offered up $100,000 in reward money for anyone who has information about the murders of his wife and son. anderson. >> i'm not sure how much family or friends he has left after all the things he's done. randi, appreciate it. the number of monkeypox cases is quickly rising. so is the demand for vaccine. despite efforts to distribute more vaccine the rollout has been sporadic at best. coming up next, the story of one man who contracted the virus and the warning he has for everyone. theratears® is one-of-a-k-kind hydration that feels like silk. theratatears®. a drop like no otherer™.
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new data just released from the cdc shows there are nearly 1,500 confirmed monkeypox cases nationwide. this comes one day after the probable confirmed count across the 1,000 mark. as cases grow, so does demand for the vaccine.
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1.1 million vaccines may be available relatively soon. according to the department of health and human services, the number of vaccines across the country has tripled across the country. there are reports of people frustrated because they can't find the vaccine. websites are crashing, and experts warn supplies fall short of the levels needed to control the surge. dr. sanjay gupta reports on one man who contracted the virus and wants to sound the alarm. here's his report. >> it started off with just a few lesions. i got intense flu-like symptoms. as the flu symptoms abated, the lesions became excruciatingly painful and at best mildly irritating. >> reporter: knowing exactly what it feels like to have monkeypox, matt ford has taken to social media to warn people about the virus. >> this [ bleep ] sucks and you don't want it. i've got these on my arms. >> reporter: but now his frustration is that even as awareness grows, those who need it might have a hard time
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finding a vaccine. >> supply is so low that there's not that much to go around. >> reporter: since may the number of cases in the united states has continued to grow quickly. but the two-dose monkeypox vaccine has been rolling out slowly. >> we got an allotment of 200 vaccines, and the appointments for that went in about an hour and a half. >> reporter: new york city mayor eric adams has reached out to the white house to underscore his state's unmet demand. the two doses are usually given four weeks apart. but mayor adams wants the white house to consider a longer interval in between the doses so more first doses could be administered immediately. right now, the cdc recommends the vaccine for high risk individuals, people who have been diagnosed with or exposed to monkeypox, and people who are at higher risk of being exposed to monkeypox. that means not for the general populations' prevention. >> the problem is we simply
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don't have enough vaccine. we're trying to play catch up. we need to get to vaccinating people because it may not prevent the infection but it will ease it. >> reporter: giving within four days of exposure is best to prevent the onset of disease. and even if given within 14 days of exposure, it may still reduce the symptoms. >> you want to introduce you to coy. she's 22 years old, and what she has is an active case of monkeypox. >> reporter: but this is not necessarily what monkeypox always looks like. from matt ford, the lesions started smaller and not as obvious. >> i maybe would have suspected that they were, like, the herpes simplex virus or some other skin condition. >> reporter: right now public health officials are sounding the loudest alarms in the lgbtq community. that's due to most cases being
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reported in men who have sex with men. but experts warn the outbreak could still expand. >> very reminiscent of the early days of hiv, right? men have sex with men, the gay community in the united states. and it's almost like the general public were not paying attention. and then hiv became a disease that affected other people. it affected everybody. and then all of a sudden people got interested. >> sanjay joins me now. even the testing is an issue. it's very difficult to get testing from doctors in new york, i've heard talking to doctors. the idea new york's mayor eric adams is considering postponing a second shot. would that still offer protection? >> this is pretty scientifically sound. this is typically a two-dose vaccine. but increasing the interval makes a lot of sense. the first dose gives you a lot of protection. and what the second dose is supposed to do is lengthen the time you have that protection, the durability. talked to the ceo of the company
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that makes these vaccines. they say you can even wait up to two years to getting the second shot. so, taking the 135,000 or so doses that are out there right now and using them all as first shots as opposed to holding some back for second shots makes sense. >> i know people are trying to get appointments and the websites are crashing. we haven't learned the lessons from the coronavirus in terms of being ready for the next pandemic. are there any other treatment options for those who have monkeypox? >> for someone like matt, for example, matt ford who you just met, you can treat this s symptomatically with pain medications. these are painful. there's an antiviral used for smallpox that could be used for this. but that's a compassionate use point at this point in the outbreak. really it's about the vaccines. they expect to have some 2
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on his social media platform, i'm very sad to inform that ivan na trump has passed away at her apartment in new york city. according to a statement, police found her unresponsive, pronounced her dead at the scene. there doesn't appear to be any criminality related to her death. ivana is the mother of donald, jr., ivanka, and eric trump. ivana trump was 73 years old. i want to hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> thank you, anderson. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." it will be three weeks tomorrow since the sport overturned roe v. wade. and ever since we've seen trigger laws across the country going into effect. we've seen celebration from those who wanted roe to be overturned. you all have seen protests from those who didn't. it's been triggering. antiabortion advocates have been accused of being cruel and