the ex-wife of the former president ivana trump passed away further today. he shared this on social media platform, quote, i'm very and saddened to informed those who love her of course there are many, that even a trump's passed away at her home in new york city. the fire department said they responded to a report of someone suffering cardiac arrest at the home, where ivana trump died. according to a statement, police found her unresponsive in and dead at the scene. the new york police department says there's no criminality related to her death. ivana trump is the mother the former presidents eldest children, the two divorced in 1992 after his affair with marla maples who became the former president's second wife. even a trump with 73 years old. news continues, gonna handed over to laura coates and cnn tonight. >> thank you, anderson. i am laura coats and this is cnn tonight. it will be three weeks tomorrow since the supreme court

overturned roe v. wade. ever since we've seen trigger laws across the country going into effect. we've seen celebration from those who wanted roe to be overturned. you've all seen protests from those who didn't. it's been triggering. antiabortion activists have been accused of being cruel and controlling. abortion rights activists have been accused of exaggerating the harm of overturning roe v. wade. even been accused of concocting victims whose stories will pull on the heartstrings of america. including the accused of concocting the story of a ten year old girl who was raped and forced to take an abortion outside of her own state. because men, a story like that would really prove the problem of having no exceptions with abortion bans. or blame the bands themselves. but the truth is, this case gained national attention since president biden referred to the little girl while discussing abortion rights actions. telling the story of how she had to cross state lines from ohio to indiana to have her

abortion. after becoming impregnated by her rapist, at just ten years old. because rape victims are ineligible for abortions in ohio after didn't -- six weeks. this little girl, and i will stress this little girl, had to travel because she was six weeks and three days into her pregnancy. many republicans who supported overturning roe v. wade, they wanted her story not to exist. the wall street journal editorial board even called it, an abortion story too good to confirm. listen to our own states attorney general just three days ago, casting doubt on this little girl's horrific trauma. >> we have regular contact with prosecutors and local police and sheriffs. not a whisper anywhere. i know our prosecutors and coughs in the state. there is not one of them that

wouldn't be turning over every rock in their jurisdiction if they had the slightest hint that this occurred. >> not a whisper anywhere. said ag dave yoest with great certainty. and fellow ohio republican jim jordan, he joined in. the ranking member on the house judiciary committee, seized on that and tweeted, another lie? anyone surprised? >> well, they wanted to render her invisible. a figment of your imagination. but the sad truth is she does exist. a 27-year-old undocumented agreement is under -- in charge of raping that child, that little girl. and columbus police say he has confessed. he has admitted, they say, to raping a ten-year-old little girl and not once on no less than two occasions, he is now charged with felony rape of a minor under the age of 13.

a law that's on the books because this can happen. and even after an arrest in a reported confession by the suspect, ohio's top law enforcement officer says he stands by everything he said, and when he was asked if he would apologize he replied, apologized for what's? questioning a newspaper story? it wasn't quite what it was. and that tweet by congressman jordan has disappeared. the cnn's manu raju was able to track him down for this follow-up question. >> why did you delete the tweet? >> well, because we learned that this illegal alien to this heinous crime. so we deleted the tweet. >> do you apologize to the girl in the family for suggesting that it was a lie? >> i never doubted the child. i was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession, which happens all

the time on twitter. i doubted joe biden which is usually a smart thing to do,. >> maybe i didn't hear right. explain what you said to the child? something tells me that blame the media or reference to president joe biden and semantics aren't going to do the trick in this case. and speaking of misdirected anger, indiana's attorney general is now vowing to investigate the doctor who helped this little girl getting abortion. and the state today asked the supreme court to hurry up and officially transmit its opinion overturning roe v. wade so it can put its strict abortion law into effect. think about this, you hear about a child raped multiple times. and your focus is going to be on her doctor. or maybe as congressman jordan seemed to indicate, our immigration laws? which undoubtedly will be the next horizon frontier in this

discussion. but the ag in indiana is called into question whether the ob/gyn informed the procedure properly reported the case. but according to the indianapolis star, a request revealed he did they did report the abortion. a sad reality is that her case of sexual assault is hardly an anomaly. that's why exceptions for rape and incest were largely codified across this country. sadly, it can and will happen again. the question is, will those on the side of abortion rights be able to do anything about it? with the house likely voting tomorrow on a bill to codify abortion rights and with the senate most likely not to pass it, what are the other potential avenues? joining me now, dr. may winchester. an ob/gyn in ohio where they've

been all abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected. unless the mother's life is threatened. she says that she's now forced to call her attorney before terminating a pregnancy and working to save a mother's life. also with us, nancy northrop, president and ceo of center for reproductive rights. ladies, i'm glad to have both of you. with me here today. doctor winchester, i have to ask you to react to this case? and what's become. there is the obvious horror of a child being sexually assaulted. full stop. then there's the second horror, really of a story like that being doubted and treated as if it were a political pawn. what is your reaction to that? >> you know, i care for many patients with many stories that have brought them to me when they needed an abortion. and all of them are valid. but as someone who provides comprehensive reproductive health care, that means that sometimes i do care for very

young people who need an abortion. and who have often suffered from traumatic devastating abuse. and the story coming out of ohio, my hometown, is not an isolated event. it is not new, and it's certainly not one-of-a-kind. by any means. these bans on abortion that women access hurt everyone, but especially those who need it the most. >> nancy, when you hear that, the idea of not being an anomaly, the idea of it happening, one of the reasons we have laws like this on the book that are so specific to sexual assault of minors is because we know as a society, whether we want to admit it or not, that it can happen. and yet, we have the conversations, nancy, surrounding the agency and autonomy over a body. we often think about a woman's body that's more expansive, it's about a little girl's body, it's about those who may find themselves with little recourse in states like this, possibly

none. what is your reaction to this real possibility, has it been dismissed by too many at this point? >> here we are, it is just short of three weeks since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. and this is one story coming to the fore and there are so many others. i mean, this girl was a victim of a crime. and yet, she and her mom remade to feel that they were criminals. because they had to leave their state of ohio because abortion has been banned after six weeks. of course, she went to indiana, where they are looking to have a special session so that they can also put in a ban on abortion. and it is just unconscionable. this is fundamental health care, it is protected, it should be as such. and the story of this little girl being made to have to flee

her state is why we do need to have nationwide protection, it is important that tomorrow the house will be voting on the women's health protection act and also on the right to travel, to go to another state, where abortion is legal. >> doctor winchester, on this note, we think about this is obviously a very controversial subject matter, i mean, the idea of abortion rights versus those who don't support it. it's no, you know, secret that this has been a topic of discussion. of intense debate for a very long time. but one thing that might surprise people is that you as a doctor, before you are tasked with deciding how you're going to perform maybe lifesaving treatment, and consultation with the patient, maybe having a medical emergency, you are thinking about litigation. you are thinking about not just your hippocratic oath you're thinking about having to contact an attorney. what has this done to you in

terms of your ability to practice without the constraints of politics or the threat of litigation? >> you know, it's been a very unnerving. and a recent patient has allowed me to share her story. and she, unfortunately broke her water at 19 weeks and really wanted to keep the pregnancy going despite risks to both her in the fetus. and one of the main risks is an infection. and it can develop very quickly and can become severe very quickly, and that's exactly what happened. and the medical treatment for that the, standard of care for this, isn't abortion. and the patient chosen abortion to save her life. but three weeks ago, this is medical care, we do this, not infrequently, because this happens more commonly than people might imagine. but the new thing is how am i going to protect my patient legally? how my gonna protect myself?

because i'm not a lawyer, i have not been able to understand that 20 page bill like my lawyers have. so my first call has to be to my lawyer to make sure that i'm protecting the patient as best i can. >> nancy, when you hear that, what goes through your mind about the idea that this is one of the thoughts in terms of the provision of medical care, even in a medical emergency? this is gonna be the next horizon for doctors all across this country? >> yes. the center for reproductive rights, we've been providing legal advice since -- abortion providers for our 30 years. and we're now entered this very frightening situation and circumstance, no one should have to be practicing medicine with their lawyer on the phone. to make sure that what they can do is legal in the state. and so, i think that's one of the things that people don't think about when they think about bans on abortion. is that it puts every single

pregnancy complication in a very, very difficult realm. and we're going to be seeing that with people who are miscarrying and not being able to get the medical care that they deserve, because of these draconian bans on abortion in the states. it is really imperative that everybody who supports the fundamental right to make these decisions for oneself, makes their support known. because we are at a critical period right now. >> ladies, thank you for joining us, this is not a hypothetical. you are experiencing this, doctor winchester, in texas they're now suing the biden ministration i should note for the guidance that they've given to hospitals that they have to allow abortions in emergency circumstances for the life and health of the woman who's at risk. this is not only on the horizon, it's here right now. doctor may winchester, nancy northrop, thank you for time. we're about to dive deeper into how the politics running the ten-year-old little girl's case got so twisted.

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confirm. that's not a thing, by the way. that is until the suspect was arrested, on tuesday, and as you can see the wall street journal had to add and editors note to its unfortunate piece. it filed a new editorial to quote correct the record after a man confessed to the crime. this is as astounding as it is awful, what is worse, figures like fox piled on the suspicion now want to take credit for the suspect's arrest. >> you would think the story of a sexual abuse are roaming free, assaulting ten year olds, would raise quite a few concerns in small town ohio, but no one seems to be doing anything about it. no one even knows anything about it. >> they covered this story and monday, put under pressure and our glad that justice is being served. >> okay, joining me now is

ashley ellison, and alice stewart, glad you're all here. just to clear up the record, they were not waiting on him to announce this on monday, we've known this story for quite some time, to take credit for it shows me something very different. i mean the fact that this was a story nobody wants -- nobody wanted it to be true, that a ten year old has been raped, repeatedly, let alone got pregnant and had to have an abortion. but why politically, why in terms of the media landscape, why was this such a story that could not be true? was it because it posed a threat to the idea of not having the exceptions? >> i think what is disturbing, we heard a lot of this week about the same republicans and conservatives that use false claims of election fraud to push false claims of abortion fraud, that should not happen. the story here, as you said, is a strategy story of a ten-year-old girl who was raped by an undocumented man, he has been arrested and will face

justice for his crimes. and what we need to look at is that this is an anecdote about how we navigate the post-roe world, what do we do moving forward? me as a pro-life advocate, i believe that we should support life, the sanctity of life, i think there should be exceptions in the case of rape, incest and life of the mother, how would that affect a case like this? how would this affect the next case because unfortunately there will be another one. in this case, states are going to dictate the laws. in this case, this girl if she had reported this sooner, she could have opted for emergency contraceptives in this case, unfortunately, it was reported and got to the authorities too late for that. but there are other alternatives, what we need to do in this post roe world's navigate and educate people. what do we do next time this comes up? early reporting, believing these girls, making sure they get the best pre birth care they can, and in my case, i would advocate for supporting life and encouraging women, how they can go about getting the

financial treatment and the medical treatment they need to choose life instead of abortion. >> one thing about that six weeks, you talk about grown women, not knowing they are pregnant before certain period of time, a ten year old not knowing that they are pregnant to be able to report, that is where you are going with this. >> she's ten. there are women in their 50s who have been raped and never told their stories, let alone a ten year old, and you want her to have the courage in six weeks to be educated enough, i don't want to have to educate a ten year old about rape and what happens if you're raped. that shouldn't be the life that they have to live. the thing -- the reasons why these republicans didn't believe her is because they know they are wrong. when we talk about abortion rights, people who do this, they said, there are cases, every case is unique but cases like this will come up and they call us the woke left, call us these radicals, know we are people who deal with folks every single day and know the lived experience of what it is

like to decide whether or not you will terminate an abortion or not. they got caught in their lies and they got caught in trying to take autonomy out of a woman 's right to choose. especially a little girl. they're trying to dismiss her. they try to erase her, and that is what republicans who don't believe in what happened in the election, republicans who don't want women to choose, they want us to be a race, it's unacceptable, they got caught in their lives and they should be ashamed. >> you can't be quiet about this, we invite everyone to talk, i want you to weigh in as well. >> let me take the safest course and disagree with you. >> is that the safest course? breaking news. >> you're the farthest from the left. i agree with your slams on jesse waters and tucker, what they're doing is irresponsible, grotesque but, you said something about the wall street journal where they said there are -- outrage, or something like that,

i think they're about-face was the right thing to do, they apologized they corrected the record, said we were wrong, and that is not with tucker and jesse are doing. we should be clear about this. there were legitimate reasons to say that the story wasn't nailed down, this piece was reasonable to me, i stayed out of it entirely because i am sick of what social media encourages this race to be wrong first, people run with stories, you should wait for the second shoe to drop off, it happens all the time, sometimes those stories are going to be beneficial to the left, sometimes beneficial to the right when they go the wrong way. they're gonna be bad stories for the pro-choice side in the few years, probably more bad stories for the pro-life, given the way that things are going, but to say that being skeptical about a story -- i understand what they meant, terrible headline, but i understand what they meant when

they said too good to confirm, but they're saying is that it does lend moral power to the pro-choice argument, such a horrible story. they're going to be more of those stories. >> you and i have talked about this, moral power, i think i understood you to mean the notion of the moral shaming, moral bullying is what you use in the past, the idea if someone brings up a story like this that is so heart wrenching, that is so awful, that it shuts down the other side's ability to respond because what are you going to stick say apart from i'm wrong? >> no one is going to want to be maneuver it into the, well, i'm in favor of the horrible rate of the ten year old girl position, no one wants to seem like it, which is why jim jordan should just man up and say hey, i got -- i screwed up, i let my biases get the best of me, i thought they were pulling one over me, i was wrong. people are going to be wrong.

it's going to be an ugly fight for the next five years as people figure out how to deal with this stuff. and so, that's why i hate the whole story. >> not to mention, not only acknowledge that you are wrong and apologize and set the record straight, but don't go to the other extreme and say that it is because of biden's open border policy, that is not the answer either. >> that is where they will go next. >> they are there. we're coming right back, thank you so much, listen first on cnn new development into the general six investigation, the cassidy hutchinson version of a key moment just get confirmed? when a police from the motorcade just said a select committee murder joins me live next.

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a ton of january six headlines tonight. the secret service allegedly a racist text messages from january 5th and january 6th. that's according to the port department of homeland security inspector general. the messages were erased after dhs investigators asked for them. and first on cnn, a d.c. police officer testified before the committee, backing up details of donald trump's heated exchange with his security detail on january 6th.

when he was told he could not go to the capitol after the rally. plus, there's new reporting that the committee is discussing talking with both the former vice president and the former president. trade away from the member house select committee on january 6th congressman pete aguilar, welcome to the program. a lot has happened in the last few hours. we heard from the last hearing. i'm wondering first, what's your take on the idea that there are deleted secret service text messages? that's pretty stunning if they were taken away after they were asked for? what does that tell you? >> well i read the letter that was sent to homeland security committee committee, chairman bennie thompson chairs that committed the. and i trust that he will work through that. and seek answers to additional questions that he has. i think the committee has proven, time and time again, that we are going to follow the facts. and we are going to make sure

that if it's relevant to the investigation of january 5th and sixth, we are going to ask these questions. and so, i think that people should expect us to do just that. >> at first blush, going into it in detail, how many texts are we talking about? a wide swath of people are they relevant or thought to be? do we have any information about what and who deleted? >> i'm not gonna get into the evidence that the committee may have in his possession. but i can say is that congressional committees have looked at this, obviously that letter was sent to chairman thompson in his capacity and homeland security committee, but if it's relevant to the work of our committee, we're going to find the facts were going to chase these. and we're gonna make sure that we do everything we can to seek the truth. >> it will be important to follow that thread, we're talking about this motorcade incident that was a very big part of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. quite riveting to hear about how it was relayed to her.

at the white house. about what transpired in the car. what can you tell us about the testimony of a d.c. police officer that seems to corroborate what she said? >> the committee has said, since cassidy hutchison take came forward, that we stand by her account of what happened. nothing we have heard, i'm not gonna get into specific witnesses, but nothing we have heard contradicts that. nothing we've heard contradicts the testimony that she gave under oath. and we continue to stand by her recollection of events for that day. >> did you inquire in greater detail people to try and corroborate? there was a lot made about right after that testimony later that evening i recall the next day, people were picking up on the idea and suggesting that there was something not credible about what's she said in trying to undermine it. did the committee then seek out further ways to corroborate? or had that been done prior to her testimony? >> all i'm going to say is that,

no one has come forward to contradict what she has said. if people want to come forward, and have a different recollection, we would encourage them to come forward and give testimony under earth. that's very different than putting out anonymous statements. so that's with the committee feels strongly about this. we all stand behind cassidy hutchinson. we hope additional witnesses and individuals who have relevant testimony come forward and share with the committee with a no. >> one would hope, as a former prosecutor, i certainly understand of the idea of people not being able to hide behind anonymity and the idea of testifying under oath for credibility, for transparency, for people to better understand it. but speaking of coming forward, we've heard from a number of witnesses, the committee interviewed i think over 1000, i'm hearing that number as an estimate, but how seriously as the committee about

interviewing donald trump? or vice president mike pence? >> well, we've said that our investigation as it continues. we're gonna follow the facts. we're gonna do everything we can to ask the relevant questions. we plan to ask -- additional hearings that we've talked about. next week. that will piece together the next piece of the puzzle. we feel that we have done a good job in conveying the information about what happened and connecting these dots and chasing the facts about what happened on january 6th and the run up to that, this most recent hearing, talking about the violent extremists in the role that they played in the lead up to that event. and how the president's tweet on december 19th wasn't just a call to action, but a call to arms, as my colleague, stephanie murphy, said in the hearing. we're gonna do just that. if there are new details and things to announce, the chairman will announce those at

the appropriate time. >> how close do you think you are to the finish line of these hearings? >> we've understood from the minute that we took this assignment, this was going to be complicated. this was going to be big. and it was going to be important to protect our democracy. so we're not guided by a clock or a congressional calendar. what we're doing is chasing the facts and trying to do our level best to protect democracy here, and to tell this full and complete story. we're gonna take that as far as it can. ultimately, will produce a report of our findings, but in the meantime, we're going to continue to do the work that the american people expect. >> as i often say, a marathon, not a sprint. representative pete aguilar, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> we're gonna take what we just heard from the congressman amid these new developments to our political and legal insiders next.

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chairman bennie thompson saying today that he hopes next week prime time tearing will be the last for the january 6th house select committee. yet, he is still leaving open the possibility for more later this summer. we call that a hedge, everyone. but if this is it, do we know enough? and does the doj know enough

for its purposes? miles taylor was chief of staff at the department that oversees secret service, and while jonah goldberg can discuss the politics, elliott williams brings experience from the doj to the conversation as well. you can discuss things, jonah, it came off a little odd. i'm glad you're here. thank you so much. [laughs] you might come ahead in your conversation, let's talk about the secret service, everyone, today. deleted text messages? after there's a request for you to hold on to them? something smells a little fishy to me. how about you? >> elliott and i both worked at dhs and i'd be interesting when he has to say on this front, look, i love the secret seat service, i love the agents. when i was the capitol hill i was on both committees that oversaw the secret service, same is as the department of homeland security. my bigger concern than deleted text messages, because we don't know the full story yet and the secret service spokesman is posing a bigger concern is the

cultural issue there. as elliott knows, secret service agents are going to be put in a very, very difficult conflict. and they already are with this investigation. and that is, they feel an obligation to the president that is to take a bullet for that person. when you drill into someone's head in training, at the riley, training center with the secret service trains that instead of washington d.c., that they're gonna take a bullet for someone. when it comes to an issue like maybe deleting a text messages that that's incriminating, maybe not. i worry that there will be many more issues like that, where we might not get the full story. and we're already seeing the difficult position donald trump put people in by naming him white house deputy chief of staff, while he's a career civil servant in the secret service. that creates conflicts, it was something we are worried about during the trump administration, is these careers he brought close to them, but especially the secret service. it creates this conflict of interest that i don't know if the committee will get to the bottom of, but they need to probe.

>> the way you prefaced it though, it made me say, gosh, do we want to change that culture? if the job actually is to take a bullet? is that we want to change? the idea of being much more forthcoming and exposing certain aspects. there is an element of secrecy that is required for that level of responsibility. >> yeah, to back this up, it's an even going back to the years when i was there about a decade ago at this point, the department of homeland security is beset by these kinds of problems. and it's not the first time we've had ethical lapses of the secret service, we heard rumors of wheels up rings off and misbehavior that people were engaged in going on trips. it's problematic on that level. to me, from a prosecutorial standpoint, or investigating it, the fact that they'd been requested by the committee in law enforcement and that's when they disappeared. in a statement, it seemed that there was a device replacement program, perhaps it was

switching out phones and somehow magically text messages got deleted. i don't know. but something seems incredibly suspicious about it. the committee's right to look into it. and get to the bottom of. it >> i just want to say just to be really clear on this, there's a conflict into these agents faced personally, but also, to foot stump elliott point, this is a very broken agency. i left dhs feeling like the agency itself had enormous cultural issues, staffing issues, the agents committed to their jobs, but it's a broken agency that has created now this moral conflict, that agents aren't equipped to resolve on their own, nor should this necessarily. >> i agree. it's been a messed up agency for a long time. a lot of secret service agents or all miserable about the job. i had a problem when bill clinton's lawyers argued that there was basically a protective function privilege that excluded sworn law officers from having to testify about evidence in crimes. i get the argument. they need to have a certain amount of, i got your back.

what happens when you around, stay secret, kind of thing. but we're not talking about an affair,. >> that was the wheels up, rings off. which is probably show in the making as it is. >> that means turn off your phone, as far as i'm concerned. we're talking about potentially an attempt to steal an election, sort of an auto coup fermenting above a mob, an insurrection, or just a riot. and the idea that secret service agents should put their loyalty to a past president above telling the truth and upholding their oath as law officers. or sworn officers. whatever the right term is. strikes me as a nonstarter. >> and it's different than say, it almost sounds like you're talking about a privilege. >> i was gonna say. >> look at the lawyers. the idea of privilege notion

here, like look, i need to have candid conversations with my advisers, that's different than a person whose jobs it is to make sure there's no threat to the president of the united states of america. but how about this motorcade incident though? we're also hearing about d.c. police officer who is corroborating what you said was actually right? and actually happen. is that fall under the same line of speak no evil, sort of a fight club mentality. >> look, at the end of the day, that to the privilege point, we actually want these privileges to exist. i want my president to be able to speak to his senior aides in comfort and secrecy and be able to do the business of government. you want secret service agents to keep their mouth shut about what they see with the president, unless there's wrongdoing. and criminality hearing. >> criminality. >> wrongdoing is an eye of the beholder. >> but crimes are crimes. >> serious ethical lapses that way on this person's fitness to be president of the united states, which may not be criminal, but perhaps the public should know better.

>> i would say politically though, if the police story about corroborating the altercation is true, and if the hard version, the worst version of this deleted text thing is true, the secret service needs to be disbanded and rebuilt from scratch. if both those stories are true, the political consequences of that are enormous, a lot of people have been lying to the committee, it means a lot of the secret service agents knew about things and covered it up. and it would be a huge deal. >> easier said than done. we have to protect the president of the united states, everyone who is protected by secret service agents. miles, jonah and elliott. thank you so much. coming up, we'll look back at the life of even a trump. their tabloid headlined a voice, and her legacy. a trump biographer will join me next. heartburn... claire could only imagine enjoying chocolate cake. now, she can have her cake and eat it too. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn?

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even if trump was a glamorous business woman, she was best known for her high profile marriage to the man she called the donald. the pair had three children together. don junior, erik and ivanka. this afternoon, ivana was found dead in her new york city apartment at the age of 73. the cause of death has not been

determined, but police say there does not appear to be any criminality involved. joining me now is trump biographer michael d'antonio. michael, it's so good to see you. you have some insight of course into what's even ivan's life was right, you wrote the book on donald trump. what do you know about ivanka trump the woman, the mother, the wife of donald trump? >> well, i think one thing we have to all recognize is that this is a very creative woman. not only did she come up with that nickname, the donald, which stuck. but she raised these three children, all on her own, and in the various businesses, she was the creative force behind the interior spaces. so whether it was the casino in atlantic city, or a hotel in new york or anywhere else in the world, her hand was there, her creative hand. so, you've got to give her --

for that. >> former president seem to appreciate that aspect of her. he even offered her while he was the president the united states an opportunity to become a basset or to her home country. listen to what she had to say about that? >> i like my freedom. why would i go and say bye bye to miami in the winter, bye-bye two -- in the summer, and bye-bye to spring and fall in new york? i have a perfect life. >> a spicy personality shown right there, right? >> you gotta love it. and she's got her own perspective on everything. and that included her marriage. she was famous for having her own sources in the tabloids, her sources of publicity. so if something came up and donald was going to the daily news saying one thing, well, ivana went to the new york post to say another. she was really spunky, one of my favorite stories, early in

their relationship, donald trump took ivana to dinner with his family. and the elder trump, fred trump, said everyone will have the steak. and ivana spoke up and said, i'll have the fish. you gotta give her credit for that. this is a woman who's making a statement right there, that she was not gonna be pushed around. >> you know, i always sort of cringe when i hear about the life of a human being, only in relation to who they married and who was their spouse. and i know that she stands in her own right, and one of the reasons she was so well regarded for that very notion. you describe her life as the american dream. tell us why? >> well, it sure was. this is one woman who immigrated to the united states at a tender age. she spent time in canada first. she did very well there.

she came here. she learned everything that was necessary to rise in society very quickly. really buy her own wits and by her talent and by her drive she, succeeded. and there's nothing more american than that. it certainly more our mid, the american myth of what it means to be an american striver, to be ivana then need to be donald. who was born with this silver spoon in them in his mouth. this is a great story of a woman who succeeded at a level that she couldn't have imagined. one thing you gotta remember, she grew up living in this soviet era factory house. in a small city where the big game in town was the beta shoe factory. to go from that humble beginning to where she ended up, it's amazing. >> pretty astounding, the way you describe it. obviously a great skier were

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hey, thanks for watching everyone. i'll be back tomorrow night, don starts right now. hey, don lemon. >> how are you doing laura coale's,? >> you had a long day, i saw you earlier today. do you ever sleep, no? >> i do not. i have many, many jobs. and, you know, that's where we are. thank you, laura, i'll see you tomorrow night. this is don lemon tonight. and one of the biggest bombshells of the hearing so far, right, now correlated by someone who is there. a source telling cnn a washington police officer corroborating to the january 6th committee details of would cast the hunch w