were investigating whether miss trump fell down the stairs of her home yesterday. they married in 1977, of course had three children, ivanka, don jr. and eric. she was 73 years old. thanks so much for joining us. ac "360" begins now. good evening. new information to report on the january 6th investigation starting with those missing secret service text messages dating from january 6th and january 5th. now, we've learned the january 6th committee now wants to meet with officials from the secret service. today they were briefed by the inspector general who oversees the agency. and a source familiar with the briefing said they made a number of allegations including, according to the source, the inspector general told the committee that secret service did not conduct its own after-action review about the january 6th. instead, they were relying on the work of the inspector

general's office. also, the source says, the ig told the committee that the secret service has not been fully cooperative with his probe. it left the impression that they had been foot dragging. the inspector general, according to the source, said his office is not getting full access to personnel and other records. now, the source also said the ig told the committee he brought the issue more than once to the secretary of homeland security whom, he said, told him to continue to try to get the information. according to a cnn source, the inspector general said that is when he decided to go to congress because he was getting nowhere with his concerns. now, we want to point out just one side of the issue, department of homeland security did not comment on the matter to cnn. so there's a lot we don't know. starting with the fact that a member of the january 6th select can committee jamie raskin said there are, quote, kopbt stkeubgtrystkeubgt

-- contradictory statements. and the allegation that it maliciously deleted following a request is, quote, false and the allegation regarding lack of cooperation is neither correct nor new. there is word the committee met today with one of the people in that bizarre white house meeting with sidney powell, michael flynn and the overstock.com guy patrick byrne were trying to thwart biden's victory. they met with the overstock guy for six hours, which i want to hear more about. joining us is someone who was in all the meetings, congresswoman lovgren. appreciate you being with us. after meeting with the inspector general today, does the explanation of the missing text messages make any more sense to you? >> not really. but i think it's worth noting

that a spokesperson for the secret service issued a statement last night, and they said that although some data had been lost, that all of the texts that the inspector general was seeking were still available. so we need to get all the texts from the 5th and the 6th over to our committee asap if what they said is correct, that those texts have not in fact, been deleted. i will say that the explanation that you have to factory set and eliminate your data without backing up your data just seems -- i'm skeptical. i wouldn't do that on my personal iphone. and, you know, the argument about when the request was made is largely irrelevant.

the secret service was aware this was one of the signature events of our country and that there would be a need to preserve all the evidence because of that. and also there's an obligation for federal agencies to retain records. so this is troubling. but they've said they've got the texts and the committee intends to get them all asap. >> they said, i believe, that they're talking about the 20 texts of individuals that were specifically asked for. do you know if -- i mean, were -- i mean, there are missing texts. i mean, that does seem clear to you. >> they said in the process of migrating their phones, which i'd like to know what the heck they were doing there. doesn't make any sense to me. that data resident on some phones were lost.

that's an exact quote. but that none of the texts that the inspector general was seeking had been lost. so we want to get the january 5th and the january 6th texts. >> and how do you assure you get them? >> well, we're going to demand them from the secret service. >> are they being cooperative? >> well, we just had this meeting with the ig today, this afternoon. we first learned about erasing the data, the texts yesterday. so it's too soon to answer that question >> congressman raskin is saying there seems to be contradictory statements between the ig and the secret service. is it clear to you how there can be such confusion over this? they either have them or they don't. >> i think, you know, some of it is a matter of judgment.

the ig may feel frustrated, and they may be right. you could feel as an agency that you have been cooperative. but some things are not subject to ambiguity. either you erased the texts or you didn't. either you have the texts or you don't. they say they have the texts. we've got to get them >> does the secret service have a credibility problem now? not only are these text messages, there's also this drip, drip, push back, off the record, on the record, against cassidy hutchinson's testimony in the presidential motorcade on january 6th. doesn't someone from the secret service need to go in front of your committee or several people under oath and clear this up? >> let me just say that we are not through investigating this matter. i don't want to say that -- talk about their credibility. but obviously many questions remain and we are going to get answers to our questions.

>> former overstock ceo patrick byrne with sidney powell in the infamous oval office meeting which he described as benign. probably a lot he can't say. >> with a little luck, i'm hoping i can de-fuse this for the entire country. i know what happened. i've been trying to get here for nine months. i can tell them everything. i was in two of the most important meetings. and i think i can diffuse this for the entire country. i've been writing and calling them nine months. . >> why is there so much interest in this meeting? . >> the crux of history comes down to it. >> he's the guy at the crux of

history. did he, in fact, in his words, diffuse the situation? >> well, as you know, our rules don't allow us to reveal the testimony. so i'm going to live by the rules. >> you have to give us a little something about the overstock guy. >> we have seen -- well, in due course we will. obviously, we've got ample testimony from other -- very credible witnesses about the unhinged nature of that meeting. the white house counsel and others were present. and to say it was benign i think would not hold water. >> where does the committee stand in terms of asking the former president for interviews for sworn testimony? >> well, everything is on the table, anderson, as you know. we've been saying that throughout. but i'm not going to make an announcement one way or the other on all of this. as you know, especially for the

vice president we have received substantial information because his close confidantes came in and gave, you know, lengthy testimony under oath to the committee. that cannot be said about the former president, who has fought us and tried to keep us and his close circle from testifying. so the two are in different monthpostures postures. i think we would like more information from both of them >> finally, do you think your committee's work is actually going to end next week? or do you see this going on -- >> oh, no. >> -- through the summer and the fall. >> the investigation continues. we have other witnesses coming in, other things we're working on. we have had this set of hearings. we think that the hearing on thursday has new conversation that will be useful to understand the events. there's also, you know, some

information that because of the constraints of a hearing framework, there's evidence we may release that were presented from some of the prior committee hearings but useful in understanding all of the events. that may also happen in the coming weeks. but, you know, we've got to do a report. we have to finish the investigation. that is still ongoing. >> congresswoman zoe lo lofgren thank you. it's confusing to say the least. what are the main questions you want answered? . >> the main questions are basically two. one is, what stuff was deleted and what stuff was maintained. and then why was, if there was anything important in the first tranche of materials that were deleted, why did that happen and was there any -- was there

malfeasance or incompetence. they're talking past each other right now. the ig is saying the materials from january 5th and 6th were deleted, and the secret service saying, nothing was deleted that you asked for. maybe those two statements can be reconciled. maybe they don't. the only way to find out is to drill down and get the materials. >> do you think the committee risks spending too much time on this, getting dragged down a rabbit hole on this and kind of -- >> it's possible. you i think the first step is to get the materials to see what was produced and to get an explanation as to -- how does the secret service know what was deleted and was it relevant? i would like to know the answer to that question. i think they should bring the secret service lawyers in and ask them what happened. . >> do you think -- beyond the likelihood of it happening, would it be valuable to get vice president pence, former president, in front of that committee?

>> i think it would be valuable to get both their perspectives, particularly vice president pence. we know a lot about what vice president pence thought and did from the testimony of his aides. but we don't actually know what he was thinking, for example, when he was in that loading dock. and there was also one conversation i think he had with president trump where there was nobody on mr. pence's end to hear what mr. pence was saying. we would like to know what that is. and i don't think he has any basis to resist the subpoena at this point. they should just subpoena him. . >> do you think -- again, this is getting ahead of ourselves. but do you think donald trump, assuming he is going to run, would announce before the midterms, and what impact do you think that is going to have? >> i think he is telegraphing that. i think he this can't help himself. i think he thinks this is undermining the investigation against him and immunizing it by saying, ah, this is all political.

look at this. they want to stop me from winning and becoming president again. and i'm going to save the country. so on and so forth. he's going to wage a campaign that is basically going to be about himself and declaring he has been persecuted by the democrats and by liz cheney. >> do you think part of him announcing is to freeze the republican field? . >> absolutely. absolutely. i think he understands that he can deter people from running, and he's going to end up freezing donors from giving money to other people probably because they don't want to -- they might think that he's probably going to win, and they don't want to waste money on anybody else. and the only way he gets beaten for the nomination is if maybe someone is able to run a one-on-one campaign against him. probably desantis. >> do you think desantis would run against him? >> i think it's quite possible. and i think it's the only way that trump doesn't get the nomination if it's one on one.

if it's a multi-candidate race, the vote will split, and he's going to win. he doesn't have to win 50% or 60%. he can win with 30% with these winner take all rules, which is basically what happened in 2017. >> george conway, thank you. quick reminder not to mention a special report. he says he will now talk to the committee. steve bannon divided we fall, sunday night, 8:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. still to come tonight, the striking image of president biden's fist bump with the saudi crown prince. a live report from saudi arabia. plus, a conversation with one of khashoggi's colleagues at the "washington post". and later, we'll talk about the devastating russian air strikes with someone in ukraine who has been on this broadcast

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highly anticipated meeting in saudi arabia today between president biden and a man he called a pa rye for his role in the murder of journalist jamal khashoggi who produced what may be a lasting image for this president. the royal palace in saudi arabia, the crown prince greeted the president, both exchanged a fist bump. in a moment, we will speak to one of khashoggi's colleagues at the "washington post". after the greeting, both sides appeared before the assembled press. this was the scene. >> jamal khashoggi, do you apologize to his family. >> president biden, is saudi arabia still a pariah? president biden? >> so that didn't last long. phil mattingly is trailing the

president of saudi arabia. what did the president say and how is the white house responding to all the criticism over the fist bump? >> you know, what officials knew going into this meeting, there would be likely a political cost and significant criticism and blowback. but there was a strategic calculation that the risk was too great to leave the relationship with saudi arabia in limbo. a cold shoulder the president has given the crown prince over the course of his first 18 months was no longer sustainable. certainly because saudi arabia is one of the largest players in the oil markets. gas prices have been skyrocketing for months in the u.s. it is something the president, when addressed with the most tpa fierce and visceral criticism. >> two questions, if i may. we heard from jamal khashoggi's wife, said after this, the blood of mbs's next victim is on his

hands. >> i was straightforward back then. i was straightforward today. i'm sorry she feels that way. i didn't come here to meet with the crown prince. i came here to meet with the gcc, nine nations and deal with the security of the free world and the united states and not leave a vacuum here, which is happening as it has in other parts of the world. >> reporter: that vacuum the key element the president wanted to address. he did directly address behind closed doors with the crown prince the murder of jamal khashoggi. he believed he was responsible. officials described that back and forth as rather brief. then they moved on to the broader set of issues. i would note, saudi officials wasted no time whatsoever posting on twitter and through video feeds that fist bump with the president. and later on a government agency

posted another video, a video the press did not have access to of mbs fist bumping the president's entire national security team. it wasn't just the president. it was his top advisers. this appears to be the cost of trying to do business once again with saudi arabia. a risk calculation the administration knew going in and clear in the wake of it. is it clear how the saudis thought this day went? >> reporter: you know what, i think the biggest way to kind of view it right now is based on two different things. one, the idea that the crown prince in their eyes was legitimized by the meeting. it is why the photos and videos were posted so widely and prominently in the wake of the meeting itself. but also they recognized this can't be just a transactional relationship. they want more from that relationship. this was a critical first step in that relationship. more answers are needed, according to saudi officials i've spoken to. this was a step forward particular live given where they have been the last year and a

half. >> thank you very much. i'm joined by one of khashoggi's colleagues at the "washington post". karen, thank you for being with us tonight. we have seen the video of president biden fist bumping with the saudi crown prince. this is the first time i have seen the crown prince with multiple white house officials greeting him in this way. as we have noted, this is what the saudi government has chosen to release. i wonder what goes through your mind or your head when you see this? >> yeah. honestly, the last time i think i spoke with you i had just edited jamal's last posthumous call where he called for more free press in the arab world. and that was the last piece we worked on together before we died -- was murdered. you know, for me, for those who worked with jamal, for us at the "washington post", that fist

bump was a gut punch. it was a gut punch for all of us who worked so hard to push for accountability in jamal's murder, for those of us who wanted to push for press freedom, who wanted to push for a new and different u.s.-saudi relationship that wasn't placed in blood. and that fist bump, frankly, as an american, felt embarrassing, honestly. it felt like, you know, watching biden reneg on his campaign. and for what? for what? >> you've heard the statement from president biden that he says he discussed the murder with the crown prince, indicated he thought the crown prince was responsible. does that make any difference? >> i don't think that's anything

perhaps new. i think, again, what we were looking for was more of a strong, you know, consequences and accountability. for all we know he could have said that murder was bad. and mbs could have said, yeah, it was, i wasn't responsible, and then moved on to the next topic. obviously, i think what jamal would have wanted to see out of this meeting is to speak up for many of the prisoners who are still imprisoned. the clerical mouda. it wasn't just about him. it was about these prisoners. it was also about putting a stop to u.s. support in the war in yemen. if jamal was here, i know that's what he wanted to hear biden say. >> karen, appreciate your time tonight. thank you. coming up, the latest on a 10-year-old rape victim who had to cross state lines to get an

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the attorney general is investigating the doctor. reminder, this 10-year-old girl traveled to indiana for an abortion after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. she could no longer get it in ohio where she lived and the rape took place. "360"'s randi kaye tonight has the latest. >> the charge is rape. felony of the first degree. >> reporter: the 27-year-old girl accused of reigning a 10-year-old girl is under arrest. but the political fight regarding the girl's abortion has just begun. >> if she failed to report in indiana, it's a crime to not report, intentionally not report. >> reporter: this is indiana's republican attorney general, who says he is investigating whether dr. caitlin bernard, who performed the abortion, reported the procedure and child abuse as required by state law. >> this girl was political sized, politicized for the gain of killing more babies. all right. that was the goal.

and this abortion activist is out there front and center. the lame stream media, fake news is right behind it. >> reporter: according to documents obtained by cnn, dr. bernard did report the abortion procedure to the indiana department of health on july 2nd. within three days after the abortion was performed as required by indiana law. and late today, dr. bernard's lawyer, kathleen delaney, sent a cease and desist order to the attorney general saying in part, please cease and desist from making false and misleading statements about alleged misconduct by dr. bernard in her profession which constitute defamation, per se. the story first appeared july 1st in the indianapolis star, describing how a 10-year-old rape victim crossed state lines from ohio to indianapolis, days after roe v. wade was knocked down by the supreme court and abortions were made unavailable in ohio after any fetal heartbeat is detected. dr. bernard, ob/gyn is quoted as

saying she was contacted by a league in ohio regarding the girl's situation. the story was picked up and cited by president biden in a speech. >> imagine being that little girl. just -- serious. just imagine being that little girl. 10 years old. >> reporter: but that didn't stop some republican law makers and right-wing media outlets from going into overdrive and casting doubt claiming the entire story was a hoax. >> so, dave, have you had anybody come to you in your state to say we're looking into this, a police report was filed? >> not a whisper. i know our prosecutors and cops in this state. there's not one of them that wouldn't be turning over every rock in their jurisdiction if they had the slightest hint that this had occurred there. >> reporter: congressman jim jordan, in a since deleted tweet where he called the story a lie, now dodging any responsibility or decline to go offer an

apology to the victim for calling this story a lie, telling cnn this. >> i never doubted the child. i was responding to a headline from your profession, the news profession, which happens all the time to twitter. >> reporter: and on capitol hill, another bizarre moment during a hearing about abortion where congressman eric swalwell asked questions to an anti-abortion activist. >> do you think a 10-year-old should choose to carry a baby? >> i believe it would probably impact her her life. so, therefore, it would fall under any exception and would not be an abortion >> wait. it would not be an abortion if a 10-year-old, with her parents, made the decision not to have a baby that was the result of a rape? >> if a 10-year-old became pregnant as a result of rape, and it was threatening her life, then that is not an abortion. so it would not fall under any abortion restriction in our nation. >> that's obviously not true. abortion is a procedure.

randi kaye joins us now. what the woman was saying was not true. what does the doctor who performed the abortion hope to accomplish with the cease and desist letter filed against the attorney general? >> reporter: well, anderson, her lawyer spoke to cnn earlier and basically said the point of the cease and desist letter is to stop the smear campaign. they are trying to get the attorney general in indiana to stop lying about her. she said that all of this backlash from the right, they're very concerned is putting the doctor's life in danger. the lawyers said the doctor has had to have security at her home to make sure she's protected. and the lawyer says that really all of this is because this attorney general in indiana is, quote, whipping people up into a frenzy. that's how she's put it. there are real consequences to what is being said about this doctor. we did reach out to the attorney general in indiana, ag rokita.

we are hoping to get a response to him. >> it is funny how quick the indiana attorney general and ohio attorney general were to give out false information, jump out to fox news and be incredulous and say things which turned out just not to be true, not to be accurate. i thought attorney generals -- >> reporter: and now we can't get them to respond to that. >>er they are supposed to be responsible people, law enforcers. the country gets rocked in ukraine. i will speak with a woman who we have spoken with many times on this program. she fled kharkiv at the beginning of the war. her father has just been killed by a russian air strike. ? absol. sensodyne sensitivity & gum gives us the dudual action effect that really takes care of both our teeth sensitivity as well as our gum issues. there's no question it's something that i would recommend.

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this week ukraine has been rocked by a number of deadly attacks on civilians. dozens have been killed, including several innocent children. [ explosions ]. >> that was a school in the southern city of mykolaiv.

another ten strikes overnight caused powerful explosions. two universities were killed. in the central city yesterday, another russian attack, two dozen people killed there. more than 100 injured. three killed were children under the age of 10. last night ukraine's president zelenskyy called on the international community to condemn russia. >> translator: this day has once again proven that russia must be officially recognized as a terrorist state. no other state of the world poses such a terrorist threat as russia. no other state in the world allows itself to daily destroy peaceful cities and ordinary human life with cruise missiles and rocket artillery. >> a spokesperson for the ukraine defense military said 70% of missile strikes are on peaceful cities and non-military targets. one woman we have spoken to many times knows that firsthand. we first met her anastasia in

the beginning of the war when chefs had he fleeing kharkiv where she lived. >> last night was probably the most terrifying night of my life. kharkiv was terribly bombarded. air strikes all over the city. dozens of buildings destroyed. several buildings with people in them. >> we began speaking and interviewing her on our program. her father chose to remain in kharkiv throughout the week. sadly this week he was killed in a strike. i spoke with anastasia earlier. i'm so sorry to hear about your father. can you tell us about what happened to him? >> so he was at the balcony of

his home. many people saw in that reunion episode. and the rocket hit the yard and shredded pretty much everything, including my father. he was on the balcony, and he stayed there. there was -- my mother was also in the house. and she survived. she got some scratches and a few problems, but nothing much. so he was going on the balcony to see where the smoke was or to see where the rockets hit. so this was exactly like that. and he went out and she went to the balcony also. and she told him, like, go back inside. it's not safe. and he waved her off. and then she just went to the house, to the corridor, into the room in the center of the house. and that's when the explosion

went off. she then fell. under rubble. and then she was trying to understand what happened. she started calling him. and, well, he didn't answer. she went to the balcony, and she saw what she saw, what was left of him, which was not much. >> you know, the last time we had talked, you know, you had moved out of kharkiv and you were in an area that felt safer. and i know your parents, your dad was there. your mom went back to stay with him in kharkiv. and, you know, it seemed like things were better in kharkiv. for a lot of people they felt like, oh, amount of people who aren't there, who have just been following this, that kharkiv had become safer. obviously, that has changed as we have seen in the last many weeks. >> yes. when i was -- i went back home

and stayed for a bit, i also went back and forth. so i stayed in my apartment and mom and dad were staying together in the house. and at the time when this whole reunion happened it was better for sure. so it was much less shelling and rockets. but in the last, i guess two weeks or something like that, it has been pretty bad. >> part of the russian strategy is not only to level cities, just to destroy as much of ukraine as possible. it's also designed to break the will of ukrainians, of people. and i know ukraine's foreign minister said this week that his words were, there's nothing to discuss on the subject of peace talks with russia. your father being killed like this, does it change the way you see things? does it harden your resolve? how do you deal with this?

i agree 100% with what he said. and literally everyone i know does. no peace talks. no. it's a no. it's a big no. it's a bigger no than it was before my father died. i, and many others, don't want to see a single russian flag anywhere. and we are not giving up. and my father is dead, but he's one of many who died. and many people more will die. on that date he died, 31 persons died in kharkiv. so to stop that is to stop them. so, yeah. there are no negotiations. they cannot be trusted. after everything, there is no talking. only defending ourselves as best as we can and trying to win and

to protect people, i guess, in the future from ever suffering what my family suffered. >> i'm so sorry that you are suffering and that 31 other families in kharkiv on that day are suffering and have had their lives forever changed. in the days since then, so many have died as well. . >> thank you. >> our thoughts are with you. thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, former congresswoman gabby giffords on her fighting spirit, the focus of a new documentary. gabby giffords won't back down.

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you may recall back in january 2011, gabby giffords was shot in the head by a group of men while meeting with a group of constituents outside arizona. six people were killed in that shooting, 13 others injured, including congresswoman giffords. there's a new cnn film called "gabby giffords won't back down." it's in theaters now. it provides a look at her inspiring fight to end gun violence in america.

here's a preview. >> the same gift of connection and the same indhamenable spirit i saw in her when she was first elected to congress, that doesn't go away. gabby embodies this sense of the human spirit being automobile to overcome just about anything. >> i couldn't walk. i couldn't talk. ♪ happy birthday to ♪ ♪ happy birthday dear gabby ♪ >> now i'm giving speeches again. ♪ >> i'm studying for by bah mitzvah. ♪ >> and i'm riding my bike more, 25 miles in tucson. >> joining us now is former

congresswoman gabby giffords, the founder of the antigun violence organization. thank you so much for being here. i really appreciate it. why did you want to undertake this? >> i love the film "rbg." directors -- do a wonderful job of celebrating women's lives. >> that's for sure. and why did you two -- you did this documentary, "rbg," which everybody knows about. why "gabby giffords," and why now? >> what a remarkable comeback story, an amazing love story. and gabby herself, here is a person who has fought back from, you know, the most unthinkable disaster, personal disaster, and now is fighting for safety for all of us.

she -- we just couldn't resist. >> and julie, i mean, as a producer, there are obviously difficulties. gabby has aphasia, which limits ability to speak at times. you incorporated that in the film, and i think that's one of the things that's so powerful in this film is you really see this incredible story that you have been going through. >> yeah, i mean, it was definitely a question that we had going into this project. like, we wanted gabby's voice to be very much the central voice of this documentary, and it is. and our question was, like, how are we going to make a film centered on someone for whom language is such an ongoing struggle and challenge? and what we learned spending time with gabby is that it's actually so fascinating to see what she goes through every day. so, we kind of made that part of the process of our film. >> you know, obviously we have seen so many horrific shootings

this year. uvalde, highland park, the list is long. there's also been legislation that has been bipartisan legislation finally that's been passed. are you optimistic right now about the potential for more change? >> i'm optimistic. it will be a long, hard haul, but i'm optimistic. >> one of the things i was reading up about aphasia is that -- and you see this in the documentary -- is singing is something that you do at times and that -- i guess it's a different part of the brain. >> yeah. i mean, this is what we learned in the course of making this film. it's pretty extraordinary. gabby was shot in the language center, which is why she has difficulty, why she has aphasia. but it turns out that music is located not just here in the language center, but all over the brain. so, that's one of the ways in which the speech pathologists

try to access words and language, through music. and gabby's a very musical person. she loves to sing. she loved to sing as a kid. she was in musicals. and you can see in this extraordinary footage that her husband, senator mark kelly, took of gabby's recovery. you see the role of music and how the therapist used it to help gabby regain some of the language. >> here she is in the early days of rehab just learning a few words and you see her belting out -- ♪ girls just wanna have fun ♪ ♪ girls just wanna have fun ♪ ♪ girls, they wanna have fun ♪ ♪ girls ♪ >> i haven't heard it in a while. >> we say it's a feminist love

story because he became, for quite a while, the caretaker, the somebody who was really making sure that gabby was going to be on the road to recovery. he believed that she could do it, and he really helped her do it. and then we see the tables turn, where mark kelly, then an astronaut and then he retired from an astronaut, went into politics. and gabby has really helped him in his career, as he became a u.s. senator. >> what do you want people to take away from the documentary, from the film? >> for me, it's really important to move ahead, to not look back. i hope others are inspired to keep moving forward, no matter what. >> gabby giffords, it's such a pleasure, again, to see you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. i really appreciate it. betsy west and julie cohen. the new cnn film "gabby giffords: won't back down," now in theaters. you can watch it on cnn later

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