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meeting on tonight in uvalde texas. some of the anger might be imagined being directed at the school shooting, with pete arredondo. >> you're still standing by, panhandle and to take a big take -- a vacation, correct? >> when he is on administrative leave, we risk of seeing this information, yesterday one of the things that say is the. we're going to wait for investigative information to come forward and to help make our decision process and i will stick to. that >> all, right we'll tell you, this if he is not fired by noon tomorrow then i want your resignation in every single one of your board members. because you guys do not give a about our children or. us. >> stand with us or against us. we aren't going nowhere. >> and i'll bring you more from the meeting tonight, and talk with angel garza, the stepdaughter of and rachel who was killed along with 18 other students and two teachers that. they also, tonight, there is more video on cnn until now
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from inside the school. the video, which will see in a little bit underscores what a report, released yesterday from a texas state house committee calls, systematic failures and agreed to sleep or decision-making, and quote. during the incident, now, according to the committee's report, there were 376 law enforcement officers who responded to the scene. 376, yet, as a full hour ticked away not one of them managed to do what all first responders are trying to do, which is confront the killer immediately. >> now, compounding that obscenity is how hard getting a straight answer -- and has been like that from the very first day. >> there was a couple of law enforcement that engaged the suspect, but he was able to make entry into the school, >> that's the sergeant with the texas department telling me about a school resource of officers and others who supposedly engage the shooter outside of robb elementary. and, that was a very early
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report. , and it turned out he was wronged, which often happens. the next day, however, his boss repeated it. >> there was a brave consolidation that the school district, resource officer that approached him, engaged with him and, at that time -- >> and again, that was not true. the killer faced no opposition on his way into robb elementary. and, a day later, under intense scrutiny, a dps administer admitted it. but that was a minor detailed prepared with what would become the defining falsehood of the entire chastity. the governor -- >> as horrible as what happened it could've been worse. the reason it was not worse is because, law enforcement officials did what they do. they showed amazing courage by
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running towards gunfire for the singular purpose of trying to save lives. and it is a fact that because of their quick response, getting on the scene, being able to respond to the gunman and eliminate the gunman, they were able to save lives. >> well, those are not facts. what he said is not true. now, there were already, even when he said, that there were already some obvious signs that something wasn't right. the timeline, and the police response just didn't make a lot of sense. or, it took too long. now, there is video from inside the school which explains why. it shows officers backing off after the gunman fired shot of. them the opposite of what their training called for. the opposite of what we were told, what parents were told that police did. now, other footage shows officers in hallways doing nothing, one officer, as you
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see takes on hand sanitizer. governor abbott said he was misled, several days later, and he was quote, livid about. it which may be true, but he has been pretty silent on the mask or ever since. there have been a litany of lies in this car -- characterization. we were told, authorities did not confront the shooter because they thought he was no longer a threat. and, we've learned about the 9-1-1 calls, which authorities knew about from kids inside the classroom with the shooter. that he certainly was a threat. we were, told the shooter barricaded himself inside of the classroom. so, he built some sort of a fortress. and then, we learned he was behind an ordinary door. that is not even definitively known if that was a locked door because no one, apparently, ever tried to try the handle. according to a report released yesterday. as for chief arredondo, seen here trying to debate questions from -- he told the texas tribune that he never considered himself the incident commander during the shooting. and, said he issued no orders for officers to storm the
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classroom. the texas department of public safety says the opposite on both. but, whatever the label, the new report from the texas house committee has this to say about his performance. i am quoting now, as of and -- folded he prefer -- he failed to perform or to transfer the role of instant commander. now, this was an essential duty he had assigned to himself, yet, it was not effectively performed by anyone. well, we'll go to uvalde and first i want to play you another moment that we've just gotten in from the school board meeting from the uvalde senior whose sister was murdered. >> how am i supposed to come back here? i'm going to be a senior, how my supposed to come back to the school? what are you guys going to do to make sure that i don't have to watch my friends die? what are you going to do to make sure i don't have to wait 77 minutes, bleeding out on my classroom for just like my little sister did? i know there's nothing you can do to bring my sister back, but
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maybe, just maybe if you do something to change this you can prevent the next family from losing their child. , well, more now on what we're worried about what went on inside the school from these, video this is new video being seen for the first time tonight from shimon who joins us from uvalde. so, there is a lot of this new body camera footage that explains the importance of what it shows. , well anderson. you show that podium, you know you show the governor. there and the day after the shooting. trying to test these officers as heroes. now that we're getting all of this, video, you know we have the holy, video and now this body camera, video it is hard to believe that no one on that stage. there was every law enforcement official from here with somebody believe that these officers acted as heroes, right? because they had access to certainly the hallway video that we have seen already and what this body camera footage shows us is that, really, what was going on through the minds of some of these officers as
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they were inside the, school as they were outside the, school the confucian, the lack of leadership, you know one officer that we highlight in this video was actually trying to do something. you can sense his anxiety, he knew something was wrong but he just didn't know what he can do to sort of figure out how to get inside the classroom. and, then we learned, there was a moment shockingly a moment perhaps as long as 40 minutes after the initial shooting when officers learned that there were kids inside of the classroom. >> made into the building? >> these are the first few moments from newly-released body cam footage of the uvalde massacre. >> coming with, maybe got shots fired in the. building were going, and we staying, and what are we doing? >> what's going on? >> it is a firsthand look into a stunning series of law enforcement failure. , okay uvalde are saying that he's possibly in the building.
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>> oh shoot, shots fired. get inside, go, go, go. >> he's in the class. >> i feel like we heard shots fired, so we're going to be in the building on the west side. >> do, do we have to get in. there >> we need to get in, there he's going to keep shooting, we gotta get in there. >> but, they didn't go in the classroom. not for another 70 minutes. and, that decision that the gunman trap two classes of fourth graders and their teachers. >> no subject in the school on the west side of the building. he's contained, we've got multiple officers inside the building, at this. time we believe he is barricaded in one of the offices. we must be still. shooting >> outside, we hear
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one of the responding officers, justin mendoza, on his phone telling a loved one what is happening. >> hey, i love you. >> we got an active shooter at the. school >> at 11:40, three over the radio, we hear -- >> the classroom is with the assessor -- >> status? >> [inaudible] we've got the should in room one, 11 one, 12. >> we then hear the officers asking about the kids. >> are there, kids anyone hit? >> no, we don't know anything about. that we don't know any. kids >> officer mendoza is left wondering what's going on. >> are we just sitting for, -- what's going on? >> moments, later 45 minutes after the first officers arrive on scene, a critical piece of the puzzle, from the camera of officer mendoza. we have a child on the line.
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hey, what was? that >> it's going to be room 12. i think he is in the room with the victim at this. kona >> 9-1-1 dispatch gives a chilling account from a student still in the classroom. this was the second call the same child mean to 9-1-1, the first call was apparently not related to these officers. >> yeah, my ideas up, minutes up you can hear heavily armed swat team member still expressing confusion over if there are any kids alive in the room. >> no one knows, now realizing the worst-case scenario is unfolding, officer mendoza. >> one of the details? >> now realizing the worst-case scenario was unfolding, officer mendoza prepares for the trauma injury. >> i need to grab my mad kit. they say there is multiple victims in the room. >> hey, where's room 12? this is the hundred building. >> hey, supposedly the victims are, here i am not 100 percent, a lot of information flying around. >> at the same time, on another
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camera, we hear uvalde school district police chief pete arredondo is inside attempting to negotiate with the shooter. >> sir, if you can hear me, please put your firearm down, sir. we don't want anyone else hurt. >> i know, i know. >> back in the hallway, officer mendoza repairing his mid pack. >> it would still be about 25 minutes of confucian and hesitation, until the door was breached. >> are you guys inside? >> one guy on the, radio decided, who's gonna, be called a shot. >> body cam footage made public before we can see a hail of gunfire. at 12:50, local time, 77 minutes after the shooting began, law enforcement go in and kill the gunman. >> i mean, this is the first time seeing this. this is just stunning. you hear that officer early on, i mean, he knows what everybody should be doing. he says it, we have to get in there. he knows, we gotta get in there. i mean, that is what everybody is trained and has been changed
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now for decades on. that you have to get in there. it's extraordinary to see this. you can tell a lot of those officers knew what they wanted to do, but, i mean, the lack of anyone, is there any sign on this, on any of these tapes about anybody taking any leadership? i mean, somebody, this is a scene desperate for leadership. >> it is, anderson. it is hard to watch. you know? there is no leadership. there is no one telling them, this is the plan, this is why we need to do. this is where we are going to go. it seems as though there were some officers that were paralyzed in fear. i mean, when you look at some of this video and the way they were cowering behind walls, worried about themselves. worried about whether they were going to get shot,. not trying to get inside that classroom.
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it is very obvious, there were a lot of officers who were scared. but that one officer, that one officer, mendoza. you could feel his anxiety. right? you see him call a family member, perhaps, to tell them that he loves them. he describes it as an active shooter situation. there were other officers, who wanted to help, but what happens here is that there were no leadership. there was no plan. no plan. and does not until sometime later when all of a sudden, we don't know why, that is the other thing that investigators have not been able to figure out. why did they decide to go and at the time that they went in? nothing changed. it was the same exact situation. why didn't they do it earlier? so officer mendoza, there are of us are officers like that, there, anderson i thought his story was quite different. because you see him moving around, trying to figure out what to do. like you said, there was just no leadership. there was no one telling them what to do. >> you know, you use the were scared. it is normal for, you know, people to be scared in the situation, for people and police officers to be scared. it's a question of, do you,
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nevertheless, do you act? do you follow your training. you know you have to act despite the fear, that is what training is all about. that is what leadership is all about, getting people to do stuff in spite of fear. in spite of that adrenaline that is pumping and telling you the things. shimon prokupecz, i appreciate the reporting as always. a day after the shooting, i spoke with, and uvalde, with angel garcia whose step daughter amerie jo was murdered at robb elementary just a week and a half after she had celebrated her tenth birthday. i spoke with him tonight, just before the school board meeting. >> angel, this report that was released over the weekend, hearing about the myriad of failures that took place and there is still obviously a lot to learn, what are you, what did you think when you saw that report? >> it's disappointment.
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i guess, clarification that stuff we already knew and clarification -- it just makes it a little harder. all of this stuff is hard. every time something comes out, it's just like living the situation over again. >> i have you gotten through the last few weeks? >> my wife, my son, and actually the parents, the families of the rest of the victims, actually have come together and spoken with one another. we have really become a family of our own. we have each other and help each other as much as we can. >> i don't think i've ever reported on a tragedy like this
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in which the families have been kept in the dark for so long by everyone, it seems. even at this stage, the lack of answers. do you feel that? at this stage, what does accountability look like for you? >> people tell me they've never seen anything like this. agencies arguing amongst each other, trying to point the finger at who did wet. highland park happened after us. we already know everything about them. we know everything. we know everything. so, it makes no sense that
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there are still things that are not answered about this. it's humiliating to us. it makes us feel like our kids can't rest in peace. all this arguing and bickering and lying to our face it doesn't help our situation at all. >> do you believe that the truth will come out in the end? big >> i guess that's all as parents are hoping for. we want to fight until we get the answers we are looking for. we deserve that. our children deserve that. that's really what it's about, we just want our babies to rest in peace and we want to know, so we can grieve properly, so we can try to move forward and try to start a new normal. nobody will ever be the same
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after this. >> one of the officials, a couple of weeks ago, was sort of cornered by one of our reporters. shimon prokupecz has. and one of the things he said to our reporter was that he would speak and release information once the families stopped breathing. and when i heard that, i thought, well that's -- there is never going to be a time when that pain is not there. i'm wondering if you heard him say that and wouldn't you thought when you heard that. >> i didn't. i was not aware of that. i mean, i think us parents think that hearing people release information or keep information, they are doing it for us? that's a complete lie.
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if they have information and they want to tell us as a family, then tell us as a family. don't release it to the public. don't try to get recognition off of a situation like that. that just humiliates us. we lost our children. this is not something that somebody should be gaining anything off of. >> you are about to go to the first school board meeting since your daughter amerie jill was killed. would you hope will happen there? were you expecting? >> i am expecting a lot of angry parents. apparently there was chances to fix the situation-y and they were just ignored, and a lot of parents are pretty upset about that. so i would expect a lot of parents to just give them a piece of their mind. hopefully they listen. everybody says that they want to help us, well, if they listen to us and make changes, and that would definitely give us some type of happiness. >> the first day of the new
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school year in uvalde was supposed to be four weeks from today. i understand it's going to be announced tonight that it won't be until september now. in your mind, has anything at all changed to make parents >> absolutely not. if anything, i feel it's getting worse. the lack of, you know, knowledge. the lack of just, it seems like urgency. i mean, everybody says this is going to take time, this is going to take time.
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but i mean, it's almost the end of july. i mean, school is going to be here before they know it. and nobody wants to send their children to school after this. i mean, who would want to send their children to school like, i sent amerie to school that morning thinking it was going to pick her up that day. who's going to be comfortable enough to know that their child is going to be okay for them to pick them up that day? >> you have a son. we should be sending him to school, how do you make those choices? >> as of now, our son will probably be home schooled. he's not going to be going to school right now. that is something we are dealing with. he is having a lot of separation issues himself, so, we just want to take care of our family right now, and all the other families that were victims of this violence. >> angel garza, i really appreciate talking to you. i wish your family continued strength in the days ahead.
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>> thank you, mister cooper. there is one thing i want to add before i let you guys go. there has been a lot of confusion on the subject of amerie and her biological father. i am not amerie's biological father and never claimed to be. amerie has a biological father. she knew she had a father. she loves him. i will never try to discredit anyone in a situation. i referred to myself as daddy, because i earned that. she called me that. the morning i dropped her off, she said i love you, daddy. that is the only reason i refer to myself as a daddy, because i've been with kimberly since she was eight months old. and she has lived with us the entire time. i just wanted to clear up for anybody, i'm not trying to discredit anyone. i am just a grieving stepfather. >> i understand.
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that is certainly not a question we have a raised, but i understand maybe someone did a long time ago. and i think it's very clear how your relationship was. thank you so much, angel garza. >> thank you. >> next tonight, more from uvalde and what is being said of tonight's emotional school board meeting. later, a look ahead of it a very big week of the january 6th investigation where the select committee is planning for its primetime hearing. also, steve bannon goes to trial. ♪ [beeping] do you want some more?! wait 'til you see me on the downhill...
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>> this was the last dress that all my friends saw me wearing. most of those kids were my friends. and that's not good. i don't want to go to the school if they don't have protection. >> she is encouraging for her friends not to go to school, to. >> joining us now is former fbi deputy director, and uk. and, you watching this camera footage and reading this report that just illustrates failure after failure, i'm wondering what stands out to you from the law enforcement perspective? >> sure, so, there are so many mistakes and failures and indicators of training or competence, all kinds of issues and all these videos, but for me, anderson, almost all of this can be traced back and some way to the core failure of
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leadership and all of that washes up on the feet of chief are donda. there are people and others who should be held accountable as well. law enforcement leaders from other agencies who were there and not take charge. first responders who are there and knew what's going on and did not buck the system and push back against the chain of command and take action on itself. they should have done all those things, but let's be clear, those are second and third order impacts. none of that would've even been necessary had chief arredondo put in place the most basic reasonable structures of leadership and exhibited som e
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weren't you supposed to sort of form an incident -- a command station outside of the building why is he the guy going through keys if he's the chief? it is inexplicable. he said he didn't think he was in charge. but in that same statement he admitted that he knew the policy was that he was in charge. he didn't have his radios with them, not because he forgot them, which is kind of mistake anyone can make. but because he chose not to take them. each other too awkward i heavy. didn't have to run with them or something. i mean, it is incomprehensible that the decisions that this man made. at the point in his life when it was most important to make
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good decisions. had he done the reasonable and accepted think of establishing incident commit. establishing a command post outside of the tactical seat. bringing the other law enforcement leaders in there to share in the most recent intelligence. and to understand who brought what resources to the table. ed makes a decision to deploy officers. which is why any law enforcement officer would do. instead, we see him four minutes on it, in this school trying one key after another. under door that apparently he didn't even really the taupe and. so it is inexplicable. >> do have any doubt that these videos, and there's been controversy that the parents are obsessed about having that leaked in all of that. it is there marshall and it is understandable. dave any doubt that these videos will, for years to come, be used and showed to every police officer going through training and after shooter situations in a case studies of what's not to do? >> i have no doubt. ten, 20, 30 years from now.
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every new agent in the fbi academy. every police trainee. and police academies across the country. will, of some, point be sitting in the classroom watching these videos. and they would be pointed out every single mistake that was made. and hopefully told that if you find yourself in a situation like this you would be inclined to make the same decisions. it is time to leave now. this is not the job for you. >> okay, appreciate your time, thank you. we >> are just getting used by new witness by the january six committee that would be held in primetime. we'll tell you that. it's also discussed new reporting by now they're trying to make his way to the former president's war room and was urging him to declare martial law. good and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer.
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>> this is cnn, more people get their news from cnn k then a new their new source. >> we just learned of a new witness for the house january 6th committee, and he is much pottinger, former presidents national security council, according to a number of sources familiar with the committee plans. pottinger is expected to testify publicly at thursday's primetime hero -- alongside matthews. also a benny thompson on whether or not the former president and vice president will and at this a witness. let's see what he told cnn's manu raju. >> has the committee made a decision whether or not to subpoena mike pence or try to call donald trump to come testify? >> not yet. >> which is the hand up here? >> the hang-up is we've just
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made a decision. >> what is your view on that? >> i think we would benefit from their testimony. but we have a committee. >> pence and trump? >> both, yeah. they both have, i would think, significant knowledge about what goes on, but we have a committee. we are working through the process with the committee. >> there is a primetime hearing expected to focus on whether the former president was doing and not doing for more than three hours as the assault on the capitol unfolded. based on what we've seen up to this time, it also appears that thursday night will kept the case the committee has been making all along about the former presidents culpability -- in a far broader scheme beyond just would have been on the sixth to overturn the election. chiraz the contempt trial, steve bannon which is just getting underway, the former
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assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. he served as general counsel for the house intelligence committee during the first impeachment. he's running for congress here in new york for the tenth district. thanks for being here. i'm wondering, just having given your experience, what jumps out at you from what you've seen thus far with the committee? >> well, it is so nice to have two and a half hours of uninterrupted time to do whatever you want as a congressional committee and not have the five minute rule going back and forth. but what they have done is used it brilliantly. and such a compelling way to paint chiraz a picture of chapters, basically, of what occurred, and focusing on different aspects of it. they brought to life so much of some of what we saw, but so much of what we did not know. so that we are now left with a really clear picture, not only about what happened on january 6th, but on the run up to january 6th, and it looks exactly like a conspiracy to overturn the election that was centered around donald trump and his inner orbit of rogue operators who were feeding him lies that he understood to be lies. >> there's been questions about the sharing of the information that the committee has gathered
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with the department of justice. does it make sense to you that what's going on there, because the committee seems to sort of saying we don't have the time to kool-aid all this information and get it to the department of justice. is this like a turf war? >> none of the interactions between the department of justice and the committee makes a ton of sense. in large part, because the department of justice is usually the body that is racing out in front, because they don't want anyone else, any of their witnesses to testify under oath elsewhere. because it creates all sorts of disclosure issues, and maybe there aren't asking questions that they would ask, or any testimony changes by a little bit. but he clearly allowed the committee to go forward first. and they lacked behind the department of justice, and then right as the committee is nearing their sort of climax of
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hearings, that is the combination of an incredibly intensive investigation of 1000 witnesses, then the department asks for the transcripts and all of their evidence and they said, hold on, with they have done brilliantly is not released any of the transcripts to anyone, the public or otherwise. so what we are seeing for the first time, these interviews and depositions, and i think they just said, let's do our hearings and then we will give you the materials. ultimately, they will cooperate. >> the new york times is reporting that in december 2020 this conservative attorney, a guy named william olson who is advising the former president encouraging him to overturn the election and also pushing, according to times, the former president took steps that he himself said would be viewed as martial law. can you believe this stuff? >> i just don't know where donald trump finds these lawyers who have such outrageously incorrect and illegal views, who acknowledged that it is martialized, yet, i'm going to encourage it and that flies in the face of the white house counsel, the attorney general, his own campaign lawyers, his own white house lawyers.
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i mean, everyone understood that after december 14th there was no more legal challenge. so, everything that occurred after december 14th was outside of any proper legal proceedings, and it was almost like, let's just find anybody we can who can come up with a more cockamamie theory to overturn the election, which is ultimately what his goal was. >> what's the big issue for you? >> a huge issue for me is a threat that donald trump is still posing to our democracy. he is, with his acolytes and -- ultimately what his goal was. >> what's the big issue for you? >> a huge issue for me is a threat that donald trump is still posing to our democracy. he is, with his acolytes and the republican party, changing laws around the country to correct what he perceived to be the problems with their effort to steal the 2020 election. so now, they're out there changing these laws, allowing elected officials to overturn
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the will of the people. >> so there may not be in the future a brad raffensperger who is willing to buck the president? >> the law would just be that an elected official can overturn an election if there are allegations of fraud. there doesn't have to be evidence. this is unbelievably anti-democratic, and given my experience on the impeachment hearings and challenges taking on donald trump, i'm running on the primarily on the principle that we need to defend our democracy. >> daniel goldman, i appreciate it. coming, up the story of miracles and betrayal after a woman was brutally attacked, we king up formally years-long coma, which is remarkable enough, and then names her brother as the culprit. the details coming up. with a jitterbug? or returned from war, dreaming of the possibilities ahead. ♪ where your dad waited for his dad to come home from the factory. is this where they gathered on their front steps, with fats domino on the breeze...
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an amazing story. a west virginia woman who was brutally attacked woke up after more than two years in a coma and named her brother as her attacker. according to the jackson county sheriff department, -- quote attacked, hacked and left for dead. the jackson county sheriff said she is no coherent, unable to hold full and conversations, but her brother is not full --
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here is the story. >> daniel palmer the third was anything but cooperative as law enforcement try to get him to jail after an initial court proceeding on friday. palmer of jackson county, west virginia is now charged with the attempted murder of his sister wanda in june of 2020. allegedly bludgeoning her with a hatchet or axe, according to the sheriff. it was wanda's mother who called 9-1-1 after it happened. >> they came wednesday morning to mull her grass and found her in a big pool of blood. -- on a four wheeler and i called the police. >> wanda was found in her living room. >> we show up and see her on the couch, bloodied by her bludgeon in the head and face area. >> they believed she was dead, but then heard sounds, quote, commonly referred to as the death rattle.
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but wanda was alive. >> i wouldn't wager a nickel for her life that morning. she wasn't that bad a shape. >> according to the criminal complaint, a witness of wanda's brother at her trailer that, night and investigators say there was a history of violence between them. but law enforcement had no weapon, no eye witness to the attack and no phone records or video. and wanda was in a coma until about three weeks ago, when she woke up in her nursing home, the sheriff says. she told investigators the attacker that night was her own brother. >> for her to be able to wake up and give the name, thank god. that is all i can say. thank god. >> this case is really about the perseverance and toughness and strength of the vagueness -- the victim. >> palmer is being held on 500,000 dollar bail. the court clerks office told me today that he does not have an attorney, yet, because he's refusing to sign the paperwork. anderson, the shift the sheriff had told her early on that she
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was only to give one word responses, yes or no to any question. late today, they're telling us that she can do primitive speaking. gave us an example. why would your brother want to do this to you? mean. mean. everyone is hoping that she is getting better. she will be and would be the star witness of the prosecution. >> thank you so much, we really appreciate it. coming up, the latest on sundays shooting and indiana where the fbi found in the oven of the suspect's apartment, and more of the armed bystanders being held as a hero. feel the rush of performance at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. listen, i'm done settling. because this is my secret. i put it on once, no more touch ups! secret had ph balancing minerals; and it helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. so pull it in close. secret works.
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this time i'm off with credit indiana. three people killed. authorities say the suspect had three weapons including two rifles. they say he only use one of them, and ar-15s that rifle. the fbi is analyzing a laptop in the ovens suspects -- in a suspects apartment oven. we are also learning more on the illegally armed --
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armed bystander and being held as a hero. cnn's -- has the details. >> it's become an almost familiar scene of evacuation in america. >> we were in the food court, and we heard loud gunshots. >> as an indiana shopping mall quickly became among the latest settings for a mass shooting. today, the police chief announced the findings of their investigation, including the movements of the gunman. >> he walks directly to the food court rest -- one hour and two minutes later, he exits the restroom and shoots victor gomez outside of the restroom, he then points his rifle into the food court where pedro pineda and rosa mirian rivera de pineda were eating dinner, and shot both pedro pineda and rosa mirian rivera de pineda. >> according to police, the gunman shot and killed three people, sunday evening, using a rifle. victor gomez, rosa mirian rivera de pineda, and pedro pineda. police say he injured at least two others, including a 12 year old girl.
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and then police say less than two minutes after the shooting began, the attacker was killed by a, quote, good samaritan with a lawfully carried gun. >> the shooter fired several rounds tracking the suspect, the suspect attempted to retreat back into the restroom, and failed. i will say his actions were nothing short of heroic. he engaged the gunman from quite a distance with a handgun. he was very proficient in that. very tactically sound. as he moved to close in on the suspect, he was also motioning for people to exit behind him. >> police say the 22-year-ol d elijha dicken does not appear to have any police or military background, but fired his weapon at least ten times,
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based on hand gun rounds recovered at the scene, stepping a gunman with another gun is relatively rare. according to data from advanced law enforcement, rapid response training at texas state university, there have been at least 434 active shooter attacks between 2000 and 2021. of those, just 22 ended with an armed bystander shooting the attacker. of those 22, ten were either from security guards or off-duty officers. now, that good samaritan, elisjsha dicken, neither an off-duty officer or security guard, 22 years old from seymour, indiana, about an hour south of indianapolis, less than an hour from here. he fired ten shots during this. the gunman fired 24 shots, according to rounds recovered from the scene, but this gunman was armed, at the very least, with a rifle and pistol, with more than 100 rounds of ammunitions. the intent here seemed to be to do a lot more damage in the tragic loss of life that we saw. if you look at the data, it's incredibly rare for a bystander with a gun to stop an active shooter, but that's exactly what happened here. he's being held as a hero.
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