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primetime thursday night. we are learning tonight that that person is matthew pottinger, he is set to testify, apparently this coming thursday. he served on then president trump's national security council but. his service came to an abrupt end when he decided to resign in the middle of the riot. >> one of my staff brought me a print out of a tweet by the president. and the tweet said something to the effect of, mike pence, the vice president and not have the courage to do which should have been done. i read that tweet. and i made a decision at that moment to resign. that is where i knew that i was leaving that they. once i read a tweet. >> now a reminder of with that tweet said, he wrote in part, quote, mike pence did not have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our

country and our constitution. unquote. when trump was out of sight during the riot, of course he had time to slam his own -- on twitter and did nothing to lower the temperature and you are, let alone of the capital. for all the hours and hours of video that we have seen on january 6th with the rioters going up the steps and the evacuation of the -- we did not have any visual evidence to with the commander in chief was doing that day. le pen it was over three hours. 187 minutes worth of time. >> so, we are going to, we are going to walk down pennsylvania avenue. i love pennsylvania avenue. we are going to the capitol. >> we have to have peace. so go home. we love you. you are very special. >> would happened in those special moments in between?

that is the main focus for thursday. >> we have filled in the blanks. i cannot necessarily say that the motives behind every piece of information we know will be able to explain, that this is going to open peoples eyes and a big way. the reality is, i'm going to give you this preview, the president did not do very much, but briefly watched television during the timeframe. we are going to present a lot more than that. >> well, along with pottinger, sarah matthews scenery there, is also going to testify. she also resigned the night of january 6th after saying that she was, quote, deeply disturbed by which he saw. so the question, of course is what exactly did you see, but we did not see on our television screens that same day. so what will we learn? will it be additive or cooperated in some way? both? neither?

as a committee chair, but he thompson might say, stay tuned. meanwhile, why is steve bannon smiling? -- i repeat, federal court today. not expect data, with jury selection now underway for contempt trial because of failing to -- never provided documents related to january 6th. tonight, bannon is still angry, it seems for an open mind. as long as interim of the january six committee, that is. >> i really want to thank all the jurors for being truthful. i thought that was great. i think it would've been more productive if we had been on capitol hill in front of open mics addressing the nation with exactly all this nonsense -- the trial of putting up on capitol hill. it's time they start having other witnesses giving other testimony other than what they have been putting up.

>> don't worry, that happened on the hill as a legislative hearing. they won't have the same thing as your criminal trial, there will be opportunity for you to, should you choose to, testify for anything else, so keep in mind that steve bannon, who could spend at least 30 days leading up to a year in jail, convicted, he's on trial because he refused to talk to that committee. the same when he's not wanting to listen to. only this month did bannon actually tell the committee he was willing to testify and ideally and public. that came after ben and said he found a letter from donald trump on waving executive privilege. so federal prosecutors say that even if that privilege apply here, it never gave him a carte blanche to ignore the subpoena

to not answer to a single -- or hand over documents. but we are in the united states of america. there is a presumption that innocence and prosecutors must carry a need to their burden. so wet if bannon is acquitted in the trial? would if they don't for the jury's sake, actually convict? this might be only a couple of days worth of the trial and wrapped up pretty quickly. it's not that complicated a case in terms of whether he appeared or provided documents. but wet my complicated as if bannon does walk? does that mean that others can then walk all over congress? we could say a former president left off the idea, the very notion to testify under oath -- or anyone else. how about a trump loyalist like peter navarro, who has of course had his own nightmare to deal with and just turned out a plea deal from the doj. if and more to walk, would he be emboldened to keep quiet. we are joined now by elliott williams big -- excuse me, i know his name. and miles taylor, the former chief of staff from the homeland security --

you knows the former nse official, matthew pottinger, who will testify this thursday. i want to talk to first. i will get your name right. i know your name, ramesh. i know your name. listen, miles, you know this person. i have to ask you, -- what is your take on how he will be received? >> i think the ex president is really sweating this. because unlike other people that have testified, when ex president trump has said this was a low level late, have never seen this person. let's be clear. matt pottinger was the duck pd security national adviser to the president of the united states. he sat with him in the white house situation room. he was often where the president was when the national security adviser -- in the oval office with calls -- this is a very close insider. trump cannot say he did not know math pottinger. he is also worried, because matt pottinger, and when i knew, that when i served with is a very honest man, respected for

being very straightforward and being a political. that is a former marine. he's someone who tells it like it is. he's very understated. he is not a showboat. get in try to go get attention for his time before or after any administration. he is someone who's going to want to tell the truth. to your question about what he might have seen, i think we're going to find out that math was likely in the west wing of the white house the day this happened on january 6th, and is the person you would expect to be the one to want to pick up the phone for donald trump and call someone like the secretary of defense. like other people in law enforcement to try to get the attack to stop. in fact, i can think of the few people better positioned to talk about being worried about the laps of those 187 minutes. that would be matt the job to work on behalf of the president

to stop that attack, and i think all this time we've looked for a smoking gun in this case, and the closest thing to a smoking gun was already out there. it's the fact that the ex president waited three hours to do something. the question that i'm sure matt pottinger is going to get asked, is why did trump not stop this? i think we know the answer. he did not want it to be stopped. but those questions are going to be very interesting to hear from someone who should have been the person to place that phone call for trump if he had decided to make it stop. >> when i hear this i think to myself, again, who is in the room when it happens. who are the people who would have known what president trump was doing at the time, or not doing at the time? but i think a lot of people wonder this, and terms of the

last straws that broke the camel's back. a lot of people resigned on january 6th. obviously it stands in stark contrast to many of the other scandals that happened in the presidency, but with that undermined the notion that only now are we hearing, only now -- a lot of people have sort of criticize those -- yard yet of the epiphanies are much more delayed for some than others. >> yeah, so i think that pottinger is an interesting case, because he saw vied -- survived a lot of pummel. there were three national security advisors under trump, and pottinger managed through arrive to the whole thing. a lot of people who worked for the administration particularly for those trump administration who had serious misgivings about president trump told themselves they were doing some good and avoiding -- i think it is an easier justification to make if you're the deputy national security adviser and you are if you are in any number -- >> the adult in the room. the last line of defense, so to speak. you're kind of smirking. i can't tell. >> you just know. everybody knows who donald trump was back in 2015, and so, when he announced the presidency, it should've been a

surprise to nobody, what you've got in 2020. at the same time -- >> it's a shock. the insurrection is a shock. >> generally, you don't expect insurrections to happen. i will stipulate that council. however, look, i was a political appointee for eight years. i was in government for 15 years and people serve for a lot of different reasons. to some extent, you've got to give people credit for trying to be the adult in the room. that said, you knew what you are getting. you should not have been that surprised with what you got. >> i want to add, i love my friend elliott, but -- >> with all due respect. >> i have more anxious than anyone about the fact that people did not leave with me and others and join the campaign -- >> would do you believe? doug >> i left year two of the administration. very, very frustrated that more people did not do it at the same time. not pottinger's -- matt pottinger is the one i would give a pass to. i would actually say to people,

i'm glad folks like matt are still in, because we knew how volatile trump was, especially on foreign defense policy issues, and that was indeed one of the very last adults in the room in that white house, and in a national security role. he needed to be one of those last adults. >> but there is a separate question. january 6th may have been the spot that led him to resign, but as is true of a number of other figures in the administration, there wasn't enough for him to say publicly a lot of the things that we are going to be hearing now. so, he needed to reach another threshold in order to be willing to talk. i think that that is something that has been replicated by other members of that administration. >> a subpoena, you're saying? >> i think that that is a legitimate question. if some of these things are of public import, things that the public need to know, i think that after you are out of government, you've got a responsibility to talk about -- >> look, this is testimony under oath. folks had there come to jesus moment. whether it's to write a book, give a press conference or whatever it is, there's

something to be said for testifying under oath and putting their words on the record. look, i share some skepticism, folks sort of knew where they were getting, but again, it's complicated. it's far more complicated. >> i think a lot of people thought right after january 6th, this is so discrediting for trump. we don't have to say anything. he is going to be off the national stage. he's going to be politically marginalized. that turned out not to be true. >> last i checked, there were wet, 435 members of congress who had the floor anytime to talk about whatever they like to? including republicans and democrats? even more, who could come forward out of subpoena? we'll talk more about that. stick around. we're going to focus in on the steve bannon trial as well. -- -- ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living with diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge.

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described the first day of his federal trial for criminal contempt for refusing to cooperate with the january six committee. 22 potential jurors were picked today. the jar is gonna whittle down a little more and might be finalized as early as tomorrow, and then you've got opening arguments getting underway. so what can we expect from this trial, and does bannon have any reason to think it was a really good day? back with me, elliott williams, miles taylor, and monash -- i'm glad to hear. i want to ask about this idea of steve bannon. there's an element of bravado, right? the person who said the misdemeanor from sort of challenge to everyone for doing this, i want to point tried to have pelosi's subpoena members

of the committee, the judge shot that time. is it provided, or is he trying to say, hey, i'm a maga martyr here, and look at me, or is there cause for him to think, hey, i might get off? elliott? >> he might, but laura, look. this is really straightforward as far as crimes go. this isn't rico or racketeering or some kind of big, complicated statute. you have to prove three things. was there a subpoena? did the guy know it was a subpoena? i did intend to violate it? you can do that in a day. it's really straightforward. it's why it's a misdemeanor. now, the question is, is the jury fooled into thinking somehow that there's something more complicated than this? but this is fairly straightforward, and it's fair to say that. you've been a prosecutor before to, and most of the time it's much tougher than this. this is really straightforward. he did it in front of all of us. he talked about it on his podcast. he ought to be convicted. >> i'm gonna start with -- here's a star, it's a calendar, it's the month of whenever i ask you to come in. but, there's still this touchy area of that i have some reason not to. you don't think so? >> the judge has also disallowed a lot of the potential defenses, which means

that we could end up having a trial that is shorter than the jury selection process was. what i think he's happy to do, when i think that smile suggests, is that he wants to use this trial or a show trial, as he says, the burnish his martyrdom in the eyes of the people that he wants to continue to grift from. that's what he has been doing for cancer enumeration, for several years now. but his is a testimony that can be very interesting also in a very different way. we do know that before the election, he was saying, if trump loses, he's just gonna go out there and say that he won. so that actually goes to the state of mind question, which is been a kind of open question in this investigation. how much -- was diluted, and how much was he knowingly lying about the election? >> i want to how much they opened the door. if the bank goes on the stand, i can't imagine the prosecutor's gonna go, let's just talk about the contempt. let's focus on that, nothing else matters, i've no other questions for you. you are going in on everything

he might say, and one thing i want to hear more about, miles, is there are some deleted text messages from the secret service. do they want to hear what's stephen bannon asked to -- i want to know how it can be that you've's equal service text messages after i ask you to keep them, proof, go away. what are your thoughts on this? it's a little confounding, a little -- if it's anything nefarious. >> look. the secret service agents themselves are well meaning patrons, but this is an agency whose culture is absolutely completely broken. i've seen this for ten years, from capitol hill, all the way to the -- it's broken. >> broken? how >> it's become a magnet for his conduct. the agency has always prided itself in total independence. they protect the president of the united states, trust us, let us do our thing. but the result of that is, without the appropriate oversight, this --

i dealt with this on a regular basis, agents that were trading positions to the vice president detail, but the presidents detail based on favoritism and not necessarily based on their performance. we saw a lot of things like that happen there in the secret service. it was worrying, but worst sell, donald trump exploited that by taking senior secret service employees and bringing them into positions that should be political. so it takes this guy, tony ornato, who is a secret service executive, and makes in the white house deputy chief of staff. >> the one cassidy hutchinson said was in the room talking about this display, grabbing the steering wheel, at the capitol. but with what you said, i mean, what's in those messages, do you think? you're shaking your head like you don't want to know, but i want to now. >> i think the explanation is incredibly fishy, and when i sleep spokespeople for these agencies -- i feel bad for them. i worry that you don't have all the details. i've dealt with details that are providing all the details when you're in a middle of a

crisis. and right now, i don't think we're at the bottom of it. >> if your phone make -- phone records or my phone records were subpoenaed, i couldn't say, oh, i had a device migration. >> but beyond that, let's step back. they had a device migration, quote unquote, and there are switching their telephones and racing data. why is a government agency erasing any data? there's all sorts of government retention rules. number one, that's not enough i visit us, number two, the timing is odd. at a minimum, both congress and the independent inspector general need to -- >> this wouldn't happen on september 24th. this happened -- not a day in history you want to pay intention to. it was january 5th and six. these are consequential days. but when you hear from zoe lofgren, who thinks he's gonna be available tomorrow, we're gonna have things tomorrow, i want a whose timeline sign. and we know there is things

that are actually gonna happen? they happening from someplace else? >> this wouldn't be the first time in an investigation that the committee has had a witness that was not willing to provide all the text messages. i don't go into too much detail, but the staff have done digital forensics in some cases to get all the information that witnesses weren't providing. i suspect in this case, the overland similar techniques and others to make sure that they get to the bottom of this. >> but there's political importance here as well, because the most gripping testimony we've had out of this committee so far is probably the catalyst city hutchinson testimony. then, it was sort of left their hanging. we didn't have corroboration, we just had people raising questions in the press about it. nobody's actually step forward and directly contradicted it. i do think we need to get to the bottom of this, but cause you could argue the committee should have actually gone to secondhand information, that

she was providing, but it is taken on a life of its own and they need it right now. >> it's under oath, and people can say what they want to reporters, people can say what they want to their friends, they can't -- there's a big difference between a sworn witness, regardless of whether you believe the story are not, but she's one, and given testimony that she's wearing is honest, and others who have not. >> you describe -- the legal term for that is cojones. remember, we're talking about that idea -- secret service, trying to take in the capital? the park no one can tested was that the president of the united states new there were armed members of the crowd, saying let them in, they're going to the capital next. to me, this was the story of cassidy hutchinson's testimony. elliot williams, ramesh ponnuru, miles taylor, thank you so much. we'll turn to uvalde next. we take you through all 77 minutes of that leaked surveillance video as it happened in realtime, right here, on friday night. but now, there's even more video out from police body

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>> nearly 400 officers. 400 officers responded to the massacre in uvalde. yet, not one sought to take charge of the crisis at hand. it was a leaderless response, according to a preliminary report by a texas house investigative community. just one of numerous constant control failures that day. new body cam videos offer a closer look at those horrible 77 long minutes of inaction. a warning, these scenes are very hard to watch. >> shots fired! get inside! go, go, go! >>.

one female shot in the head. >> shots fired inside the building! >> which building? >> careful, cars, shot s fired.

>> that was just two minutes after the gunman entered the school. the hallway, full of the smoke from gunfire. we know that more shots would bring out, leading to the officers retreat. the officer whose body can you just watched then ran outside to issue a radio call, at one point telling dispatch that he believed the gunman was contained in an office, not inside of a classroom. >> says -- subjects in the school on the west side of the building. he's contained. we've got multiple officers inside the building at this time. we believe he is barricaded in one of the offices. there's still shooting. >> it wasn't an office, it was a classroom, and more than one. the children and teachers inside. that was just one of the crucial pieces of misinformation that very day. it's part of what's further moved what was such an urgent

situation at first into this. officers standing around and waiting for more resources and backup. one roughly 20 minutes past -- just think about how long that is for a child. for a person, for anyone. roughly 20 minutes past. one officer said this. >> when we doing here? >> what are we doing here? it's painful to hear. knowing that the man who should've been incident commander at the scene under school policy, mind you, was addressing this entire situation like it was a barricade situation. even looking for a key to door that was likely unblocked. even if some officers at the scene we're learning this.

>> we have a child on the line. >> what was that? a child calling 9-1-1? >> the room is full of victims. >> victims in the room. multiple victims. >> a child just called, they did have victims in their. >> they knew a child had called 9-1-1. and they were outside. the chief, for his part, kept his focus on negotiating with the shooter, even after a burst of more gunshots were heard. >> sir, if you can hear me, please put your firearm down, sir. we don't want anybody else hurt. >> i, know i know. we're trying to get him out.

>> sir, if you can hear me, please put your gun down. we don't want anybody else hurt. >> the use of the word sir, knowing what we know now, is painful to hear. nearly a half hour would pass before officers would breach that door, and the y, the y is still unfathomable. >> maybe not all of them were gonna make it, but at least in their final moments, to hold their hand and comfort them, let them know that they're there with them. but they did the total opposite of. they stood there is people blood out. they stood there, as they took their final breath. >> we took all this information to a cnn reporter who's been there from the very beginning. that's next. plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain,

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>> tonight, uvalde shooting survivors and their families are demanding school district officials pay attention to

their fears of trying to return to school. watch. >> i'm gonna be a senior. how am i supposed to come back to the school? what are you guys gonna do to make sure i don't have to watch my friends die? when you gonna do to make sure i don't have to wait 77 minutes, bleeding out on my classroom floor, just like my little sister did? >> my daughter has something to say. >> this was the last dress that all my friends saw me in. most of those kids where my friends. that's not good. i don't want to go to you guys school if you don't have protection. >> and she's encouraging for her friends not to go to school too. >> i feel like that something my own daughter would say and hold up the dress. it's just, when answers can they give? the school board meeting comes just a day after texas lawmakers released a report outlining the multiple systemic failures and the, quote, egregious, unquote, poor decision making that day. that's the understatement of

the century. i want to bring in cnn's shimon prokupecz, who is on the ground in uvalde, and police commissioner charles ramse gentlemen, i'm eager to speak with you both tonight. we're seeing so much what's happening. i want to know, shimon, from where you are, you're on the ground in uvalde, you've been there since the beginning, pursuing the truth that the families deserve. you heard from the family members. you've heard a little girl, you heard an older sister of someone who passed away and that classroom. what's been the fallout from this report that's just been issued in the new body camera

video? one of the families, what's the community saying? >> well, i will tell you one thing, laura. i'm certainly noticing a difference with the families. they're kind of finding their voice. they're starting to really speak out, they're starting to organize, they're starting to voice their opinions, their unhappiness. they want accountability, they want chief pete arredondo fired, is the school police chief. he's been on administrative leave. but the central themes of tonight was we want him fired. i've been to others meetings here with parents. this is a school board meeting. they usually don't speak out, but the difference is noticeable. i think it's this report that came out listening all the problems, some of the deficiencies in the school

security, some of the failures on the part of the school, and i really do think seeing images now from inside the school, the body camera footage that we obtained, and that the mayor ultimately released, as well as the other images from inside the school, they're starting to get information. they're starting to see things, and this time to become angrier and angrier, because they've been keeping all this information from them. and it's obvious why, you know? they were not being told the truth. and so they're starting to voice their opinions. they're scared, they're scared to send their children to school. so the school has to come up with solutions. but one thing people should know is that this community is starting to stand up for itself. this community is starting to have a voice. that's a good thing, because, you know, there was a time when they didn't want to say anything. but, now they're starting to speak. it's impactful, and i do believe it's gonna make a difference. >> commissioner ramsey, i see you nodding. one of the sad realities here is that sometimes, you learn to stand up for yourself, and you don't know what's coming. and one of the sad lessons that we've seen from uvalde, with the information we now, is nobody came. nobody helped, nobody saved,

nobody came as the hero and the savior. and that's one of the biggest tragedies we're seeing here. when you look at this, commissioner ramsey, based on your assessment, i mean, and the report we're seeing, the law enforcement response or lack thereof -- now that you have more of a bird's-eye view into what happened, with body cam footage, what is your take now? >> well, it was just a chaotic scene. excuse me. a certain level of chaos. you're gonna find any active scene like that. but there is actually no leadership, no direction, there was nothing that was taking place that should've been taking place during that period of time. in order to stop the carnage taking place in those classrooms. there's no excuse for it, not at all. you look at the chief, he's there, he's fumbling he's as opposed to trying to organize some sort of tactical response to get to that shooter. you've got 400 police officers responding. that's far too many.

there's too many people on a scene, it just creates more confusion. if you don't have a specific role, you don't need to be there. somebody's gotta coordinate what's happening inside the building as well as outside. that's why you have incident command. that's where you have a command post established. none of that took place. so, you know, the residents of uvalde, i'm glad to hear that they are speaking up. they deserve answers, and they deserve action. , well i would've fired arredondo a long time ago. i don't know what's taking so long, because clearly, he's not a person that ought to lead anything, let alone a police response. >> one of the questions you have thinking about -- if there's 400 officers on the scene, is arredondo the only name that comes up in that conversation? i want to put this up for everyone to see. these are the planned safety and security enhancements that are coming for the -- 2022, 2023. it includes new parameter fencing, security cameras, upgrading of doors unlocks, hiring additional personnel, and also training. shimon, when you see what their plan is, in connection to what is being demanded tonight at the school board meeting, is this even close to sufficient for the families and communities in uvalde? >> now. they don't. and they're talking about going

back to virtual classes, right? and the action -- act asking if they can just keep their kids at home. they don't trust folks, and that's understandable. they shouldn't trust them. they weren't told the truth, there's been a lot of meetings behind closed bars, all of the parents raising that issue tonight, that, you know, these guys, school board, you have these meetings, you're sitting behind closed doors, we don't know when you're talking about. and interestingly enough, last time they did this meeting, they gave parents three minutes to talk. smartly, finally, the school board decided, we're not gonna put a time limit. parents will be able to come in and talk for as long as they need. imagine that? i one point, they're putting time limits, and how many people they could speak. they've changed that. >> how about this, shimon? how about you get 400 parents 77 minutes of time. those numbers sound right to me. it's unbelievable. >> it's really, having been here -- >> real quick, chief ramsey, sign? >> yes, just very quickly. i mentioned arredondo. he's not the only one that ought to be held accountable. there are a lot of people that

failed in this response, and there needs to be a thorough investigation. i personally don't think the department of public safety often do it. most of the misinformation -- it needs to be an independent investigation. >> that's happening now, shimon. at some point, will follow along. you're on the ground, getting us all this information, thank you for being there. thank you to both of you. now, i want you to try to imagine this. imagine trying to fill one of your prescriptions and getting denied because the medicine that you rely on just so happens to also be able to be used to end a pregnancy. let's put some patience across this country are now dealing with. and i mean, right now, and the aftermath of roe v. wade. one of the patients at risk joins me next. they create. the way they exaggerate.

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arthritis to certain cancers. but it also can end a pregnancy. and some doctors have stopped prescribing it, and some pharmacists will no longer fill the prescription for that reason. sarah bhavik joins me now with doctor zeke emanuel. thank you for joining me tonight. sarah, i want to begin with you here. for many people hearing this, they may say, well, i know that drug, or take that drug. why would that be the type of drug that would be taken off the shelf, said to speak, and you can't have access to it? 20 how you learned that you might be limited in your ability to get it? >> yes. so, methotrexate is known as a category x medication, which means that it has impacts on a potential fetus such as fetal abnormalities. many patients who are put on methotrexate are advised -- it was certainly something that was on our radars whenever the decision came out that this could be something more complex

to get. it's also known for being a drug that can be used to treat ectopic pregnancy. i don't know if it's used to treat -- or used on actual miscarriages, sorry, abortions, but it's certainly used an ectopic pregnancy. that's another reason it was known as potentially being impactful. >> doctor emmanuel, when you think about that, again, there is no successful, so to speak, ectopic pregnancy. it can lead to the death of the mother if she does not treat it, it's not going to lead to implanting the uterus. the fetus will not survive. and so, the idea of it being used for that -- it's more commonly used for things unrelated to pregnancy, right? a global search may have told them that. >> yeah. you have about 6 million prescriptions of methotrexate for a year for about 1 million

patients. that's not about abortions. that's about arthritis, crohn's disease, as my patient has, it's about psoriasis. the texas gulag just light show did not, when they drafted the law, do any research on what else might methotrexate be used for besides an abortion? because the first thing you see when you do google search is, mother trackside for rheumatoid arthritis. it's used to treat a lot of people. it's an immune suppressant, and it works very effectively for those patients. and now, they're gonna suffer. doctors aren't gonna be able to practice medicine correctly, and patients are gonna be in pain and suffering because of that law. >> let me ask sarah, because you're one of the patients who have had this prescribed. when you went to the pharmacist to get it filled, what happened? >> so, i, luckily, was successful in refilling my prescription, but that wasn't a

given. i know one patient in virginia, which is not a state with a trigger ban, so, she was denied by her doctor. she was denied earning medication. and there is many other patients and states with trigger bands that have been denied either by the pharmacy or by their doctors. and a lot of cases, with the doctors, they're afraid of laws like in texas, where they could be held liable for an abortion. with regards to pharmacies, there is guidance that came out last week from the department of health -- that says it's legal to deny people medications. i'm not sure of those patients who are denied that were actually successful in getting their medications filled afterwards. >> doctor, except ectopic pregnancies, -- affect both men and women. are we suggesting that also men can no longer access, or is this a unique -- gender of women who can't use

this because they happen to have you process? >> well if the, reason pharmacists aren't fulfilling prescriptions because they're worried about methotrexate being used for abortion, it would be preferentially giving men the drug, and not giving it to women, because they're worried about it being used for an abortion. it's just not very precise law and the texas legislature is inflicted pain needlessly on people because they haven't bought through the consequences of just taking a medication out of doctors hands and out of prescription, and i think -- you know, not putting the patients first. doctors are being fearful, and pharmacists are worried about their own prosecution as well. >> that's just what we think about when we're talking about prudent care and what it would take, and not being able to practice as you see fit, especially for the benefit of the patient, doctor zeke emanuel, sarah blahovec, wellington so much. everyone, we'll be right back

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