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a former truck national security council official it will now testify publicly thursday alongside sarah matthews, a former trump white house aide. the hearing focusing on what donald trump was doing for 187 minutes when he could have stopped the attack on the capital. we want to bring in cnn's chief legal analyst, and the senior legal analyst, gentlemen, good evening. thank you. jeff, this is a big week for the january 6th investigation primetime hearing, secret service text messages coming, the select committee is promising new information. what do they need to accomplish here? >> they've been going in
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chronological order, the lead up to january 6th, and now they are coming to the crucial moment, at the end, when the attack is going on, and addressing the question is what was donald trump doing. to me, i remember watching the events unfold, to me, the most memorable thing that donald trump said on that day when he finally was in the public, made a public statement, what did he say about people writing? he said, we love you. that, to me, sums up his approach towards this riot from the beginning. what we don't know and what we will start find out thursday night, is, what was happening inside the white house during those 187 minutes. who was talking to the president, what were they saying, what was the president saying in response and why wasn't he going to the public
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saying stop this madness. >> we all remember, and everyone was saying, where's the president? why isn't he saying anything right now? what is going on? the chairman, vinny thompson is telling our colleague that the select committee hasn't made a decision yet on calling on pence and trump to testify but the former president launching another campaign won't stop investigation. he also expects more hearings in september, what does his timeline mean for the investigation? >> first of all, if and when donald trump announces that he's running for presidency in 2024, legally that will have no effect whatsoever. i know it's a common thing to say that when he declares that will change the calculus, but, politically that will change a big impact and make it a much harder to prosecute and convict. if somebody is to entitle drum, whether it's the da in fulton county, georgia, but a part of justice someday, they're already going to have an
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enormous task in if they ever get to a jury, getting injury, 12-0, asked to be unanimous, this is not an election. you need a unanimous jury to convict a very popular and unpopular former president, now multiply that if he is to announce his candidacy, now you are saying not only do you want me to [ indiscernible. ] the guy who is the current front runner or the nominee for the republican party for 2024. everyday that both of those prosecutors delay give donald trump another day to declare his candidacy and makes it harder to hold convict him. >> that is, in becoming trump will say if he declares, the reason they are indicting me is because i am the front runner for president. this is an entirely political operation, who ever heard of invited indicting a candidate for president. that's what he's counting on making that argument, you are right as a technical, legal matter, he can still be
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indicted as a candidate, but, it does make it politically more difficult for the justice department. >> politically, but why does that matter? imagine the people who are accused of crimes saying, i've, have been convicted of crimes, that i didn't work for me you mark >> i should have [ indiscernible - multiple speakers ] that's why i, that's why i wouldn't have gotten, you are right. no one is above the law, and if you are a presidential candidate, >> is not what you guys are saying right now. >> we live in the real world, in the real world it is politically more dicey to indict a candidate for president. should estop the justice department? no. but it will add another layer of complexity. >> let's talk about this, sources are telling cnn that this is the former trump national security council official will glide alongside the former trump white house aide sarah matthews. this is why he said he left the
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trump white house. >> one of my staff brought me a print out of a tweet by the president. the tweet said something to the effect that, mike pence, the vice president, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. i read the tweet, and made a decision at that moment to resign. that's where i knew that i was leaving that day, once i read that tweet. >> sarah matthews also testified that she felt trump was pouring gasoline on the fire. with that tweet. that was during the 187 minutes the committee will be focusing on. what gaps will these witnesses be able to fill about that critical time period? >> there's enormous gaps, we
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have little indicators that tweet that prompted the resignation is a key indicator but, that's an awful lot of time that needs to be filled in, we are never going to get a complete picture of what trump was doing unless mark meadows were to flip, but that seems unlikely. as a prosecutor you have to do the best with what you can and between the testimony of cassidy hutchison which filled in those links, sarah matthews, we will start to get a better sense of what donald trump was doing and not doing, and what was his reaction to what he was watching when the vast majority of people in the country were horrified at what we were seeing, we've seen indications, stephanie grisham said that she saw donald trump, who was gleeful at what he was watching. we will have to fill in the blanks, i know the committee keeps saying minute by minute, they are not going to be able to give us minute by minute but they can be quite a bit to fill in the three-hour seven minute gap. >> the first time.
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>> one of the things i feel like i've learned in his hearing is how important this to:24 tweet was. think about what was going on at that moment, the capital is under attack at that moment, the assault has begun, and what does the president do? he attacks mike pence, and we have seen video of the rioters reading the tweet out loud and saying, look, the president is with us. it is just so important to learn the context of why he tweeted that statement at that time, and the people around him may be able to explain that. >> any person, any boss, any leader, you see writers going to the capital with trump hats on, wouldn't the first thing you do is get in front of the camera and say stop it?
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this is what we are about? >> 187 minutes, that's a long time. it sounds short as ellie just said, it's three hours and seven minutes. he had a long time and he had access to cameras. >> just walk over to the briefing room and say, stop it. this is not what america is about. >> may be the reason why is that he didn't want them to stop. >> that's what i'm saying. people say what did you expect, what did you expect him to do? i expect him to be the president, and go and say stop it, not take 187 minutes. steve benan's trial for contempt of congress begins this week, i wanted to check out his latest threat, watch this. >> pray for our enemies. we are going medieval on these people. we are going to salvage our enemies, so pray for them. who needs prayers? not maga, certainly not stephen
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bannon. >> you know he likes to create this circus atmosphere around him but, how do you see this playing out? what is the endgame? >> this trial should take maybe a day. there's no issue in this trial. the trial is he got a subpoena, he didn't show up, the prosecution rests. that's the case. i don't know what he means by going medieval, it's just more of this violent, angry language, and this is why violence happens in this country is because leaders like dan and talk that way. >> thank you very much, gentlemen, thanks. the select committee is expecting the text messages from the secret service that they sent before during the insurrection. before and during the insurrection, that could come as soon as tomorrow, i want to bring in sean turner who had the secret service in his portfolio when he served as communications director for the u.s. national intelligence. thank you for joining us, i
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appreciate it. a lot of questions have been raised in testimony, in reporting, by the inspector general and the committee about the secret service, and frankly, whether they are being forthcoming. do you have questions? >> i do, when i think about what these messages contain, it takes me back to some of the issues we had when i was in government, for the past 10 years the secret service has had challenges with regard to bad behavior. when i look at this, i think it should be no surprise to anyone that there is bias in the secret service, and that sometimes that bias comes through, but, i think what's going on is that during the trump administration as we saw across society, there are people who are more open about wearing their politics on their sleeve and more open about deciding where they stood politically. we may be seeing that with the secret service, so i'm eager to
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see was in these messages. i think it will tell us a lot about how the secret service proceeds what was going on that day. >> to these accusations, do you find any of this concerning, having had the secret service in your portfolio? >> here's the bottom line with the secret service. when we think about bias and political bias in government, we know it's there. but the secret service is not like any other member of society. they are not like the rest of us, they come to the job with an obligation to make sure that they leave their politics at the door. what that means is that your ideology does not matter when you're on the job, and more importantly, it means that your ideology should never, under any circumstances, influence the decisions you make. where my concerns are, is whether or not the secret service individual members of the secret service were making
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decisions based on political ideology or based on their belief of what was right and what was wrong. at the end of the day, we rely on our secret service to protect the president physically, not to protect the president politically. we have to get to the bottom of this and understand whether that something that happened here. >> well put. the secret service claimed these text messages were from january 5th and sixth i got erased as part of a device replacement program and none of the texts of the intent inspector general were speaking were lost in the migration. how do they know that that? we will talk about that, the select committee member said this about these missing texts, here it is. >> it is quite crazy that the secret service would end up deleting anything related to one of the more infamous days in american history, particularly when it comes to the role of the secret service. >> are you concerned about why these texts meant went missing? >> i am, to your first point i
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am concerned about the statements the secret service has made regarding these text messages. as you allude to there is a caution of how the secret service was able to determine that the text messages that were lost or deleted or disappeared, how are they able to determine that those text messages were not relevant to the january 6th committee investigation. that suggests that they are aware of the content of those text messages, and is suggests that they did an analysis and made an internal decision that led them to the conclusion that they were not relevant. my question is, why would the secret service do that? i have real concerns about these text messages, moreover, it's the case that there are number of different regulations that the secret service must comply with regard to preservation of records, i don't know that these text messages fall into that category but generally speaking it's the case that we over
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preserve when it comes to those sorts of things, the secret service has never been an agency that's accustomed to getting rid of those sorts of things. this is peculiar, and we won't know what the cause was until we see those messages. >> sean turner, thank you. chaos and confusion, hours of police body cam footage in uvalde reveals what happened in the school were 19 little kids and two other teachers were shot to death in their classroom. >> if you can hear me, please put your firearm down, sir, we don't want anybody else hurt. i know. le easier. (moo) mabel says for you, it's more like 5:15. man: mom, really? - that moment you walk in the office and people are wearing the same gear, you feel a sense of connectedness and belonging right away. and our shirts from custom ink help bring us together. - [narrator] custom ink has hundreds of products to help you feel connected.
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workshop king new body cam video revealing how the police response unfolded during the shooting comes along alongside is getting report by texas house committee calling out ong officers that day. we have the latest. >> these are the moments from newly released body cam footage of the uvalde massacre. >> shots fired in the building. we are going in, what are we doing? what's going on, guys? >> it is a firsthand look into a stunning series of law enforcement failures. >> eovaldi, they are saying is possibly in the building. >> [ indiscernible. ] >> shots fired! get inside! go, go, go. >> mi bleeding, and my bleeding? he's in the class.
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>> i've got shots fired. we're going to be in the building. the westside. we've got to get in there. we need to get in there, he just keeps shooting. we've got to get in there. >> reporter: but they didn't go in the classroom. not for another 70 minutes. that decision let the gunmen trapped two classes of fourth- graders and their teachers. >> subject in the school, on the west side of the building. he is contained, we have multiple officers inside the building at this time. we believe he is barricaded in one of the offices. there's still shooting. >> reporter: outside we hear one of the responding officers, justin mendoza, on his phone telling a loved one what's happening. >> i love you. there's a shooter at the school. shooting kids, bro. >> reporter: at 11:43, we hear, >> the class [ indiscernible.
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] status? >> 401, stating the shooter is in room 111. >> reporter: almost 15 minutes later as additional law enforcement arrives, we hear the officers asking about the kids. >> any of the kids, anyone hit? >> we don't know anything about that. officers are left wondering what's going on. >> are we waiting for, what's going on? >> reporter: moments later, 45 minutes after the first officers arrived on scene, a critical piece of the puzzle. from the camera of officer mendoza. >> we have a child on the line. >> what was that? >> [ indiscernible. ] he is in the room. >> reporter: 911 dispatch gives a chilling account from a student still in the classroom. this was the second call the
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same child made to 911. the first call was apparently not related to these officers. >> my anxiety is up. >> reporter: you can hear a heavily armed s.w.a.t. team member still expressing confusion over if there are any kids alive in the room. >> no one knows. >> reporter: now realizing the worst-case scenario is unfolding, officer mendoza prepares for the trauma injuries. >> i need to grab my med kit, they said there's multiple victims in the room. >> room 12, this is the hundred building. supposedly the victims are here, i'm not 100%. there's a bunch of information. >> reporter: on another camera, we hear uvalde school district police chief pete arredondo is inside attending to negotiate with the shooter. >> if you can hear me, please put your firearm down, sir. we don't want anyone else hurt. >> i know.
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>> reporter: in the hallway, officer mendoza, preparing his medpac. it would still be 25 minutes of confusion and hesitation until the door was breached. >> just one guy on the radio, call the shots. >> reporter: the body cam footage made public ends before we can see the hail of gunfire when finally, at 12:50 local time, 77 minutes after the shooting began, law enforcement go in and kill the gunmen. >> as we've been talking about the last two days, this video giving us the inside information of the decision- making that some of the officers were making, but also highlighting how there was no command, no leader, no one who was making decisions. you could see that in that one officer, officer mendoza, as he's trying to figure out what he should do, hearing that there are kids in the class from the 911 call, and everyone is reaction to that, a
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surprise. then no one really knows what to do, and that officer mendoza feeling that anxiety, he goes outside, he comes back in and ultimately we know it takes quite some time before officers go inside the classroom and kill the gunmen. one thing i want to point out is that this video that the mayor released is having an effect, a family members have viewed it, i just left a meeting at the school board, they had a meeting and some of the parents were referencing this video using it as evidence of why there needs to be more accountability. don? >> thank you so much. let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former f i deputy director andra mccabe. thanks for joining us, this is, this footage is shocking. how to those initial failures from law enforcement on the scene compound themselves as the situation unfolds. >> the failure to establish any sort of functioning command is what led to basically every
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mistake, every tragedy that followed thereafter. when you want the body cam video, some of the things you see or what you expect see. the anxiety among the officers, the internalized reactions to the sounds of gunshots, people running in every direction. every crisis situation is always chaotic, there's confusion, there's people running in every direction, that's typical. the shocking thing is what you don't see, you don't see anyone taking control, you don't see anyone in that tactical leadership position, telling people where to go, telling them what positions to take, setting up a plan, and sending it forward. that failure of command is ultimately what led to the confusion, the lack of information and the lack of action. >> you here cheered redondo trying to talk the gunmen down, trying to talk him out, calling him, i don't know if too much of his has been made of that or if that's a negotiation tactic
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according to the report, he didn't think that he was in command and he wasn't getting crucial information. what stands out to you about how he responded? >> he told investigators the legislative investigators, that he knew that the policy was that he was in command at but for some reason he didn't think he was in command. is one of the many inexplicable decisions he came up with, that they. for several minutes on tape, he is trying different keys in the door lock to see which one will open it, something that any of the lowliest police officers on scene could have been doing and reporting back to him what the finding was. the interaction with the attempted interaction negotiation, whatever it would have been, with the shooter. was absolutely uncalled for. this is not a negotiation, it's not a barricaded subject, it's an active shooter, people were dying as he was calling in
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trying to get this young man to lay down his gun and walkout. i can't explain why he did any of those things, but, none of them have a positive impact on the crisis. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. this is what's happening in post-roe america, a 10-year-old girl became pregnant and had to leave her home state to get an abortion. now the doctor who performed the procedure is under investigation. >> reporter: (moo) mabel says for you, it's more like 5:15. man: mom, really?
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>>, update site on the indiana physician who performed an abortion on a 10-year-old victim who was unable to get the procedure in ohio due to a strict antiabortion law. documents showing doctor killen bernard reported the procedure to indiana health officials within the required timeframe but the state republican attorney general says he is still investigating her to make sure no crime was committed. the supreme court decision overturning roe v wade affecting women in states across the country, one texas woman telling cnn after suffering a miscarriage, doctor reviews to perform a standard procedure to remove the fetal remains due to the states antiabortion law, forcing her to carry the dead fetus for 2 weeks. >> i get so angry that i was treated this way, because of laws that were passed by men who have never been pregnant and never will be. >> the washington post reports wisconsin, a wisconsin woman bled for more than 10 days from
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an incomplete miscarriage. emergency room staff would not remove the fetal tissue due to confusion about abortion law. a kansas city hospital temporarily required approval from a pharmacist before dispensing medications used to stop postpartum bleeding because the medications can also be used for abortions. there's a lot of talk about, doctor tracy wilkinson is an assistant professor of pediatrics at indiana university school of medicine who is a colleague of doctor bernard. she has an opinion piece in the new york times titled doctor killen bernard was meant to write this with me before she was attacked for doing her job. doctor wilkinson, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> these are some of the stories that i just read and told our viewers, some of the stories coming out since roe was overturned, you've heard from doctors all over the country who are terrified, what have they told you? >> i think this moment in history has never been
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experienced before. i'm hearing from doctors all over the country in different regions, practicing lots of different types of medicine that are scared. they are starting to realize that a lot of laws are going to impact their ability to do evidence-based conference of healthcare for their patients. this is no longer a battle between abortion providers and state legislators. this is a battle for everybody, and everyone practicing medicine is involved. >> let's talk about your colleague, doctor killen bernard. she is facing an investigation even though she follow the law, have you spoken with her recently and how is she holding up? >> she is one of the strongest and bravest people i know. she is still standing and not going to let people like the attorney general threaten her. using his power to try to threaten her out of doing her job and providing cover hints of care to patients. >> she tweeted over the
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weekend, she said thank you for the outpouring of courageous support, it has been a difficult week of my colleagues and i will continue to provide healthcare ethically, lovingly, and bravely every day. the fact is, her family has faced threats before over job because he performed abortions. her daughter face kidnapping threats two years ago. this didn't start a few weeks ago for her. can you speak to why it's so important to do this work when so much is at risk? >> unfortunately, attacks against abortion providers and all the clinic staff that works there are not new. the people that do this work are dedicated to patients, and, all physicians are, they want to do what's best for patients. this gets back to this idea that these decisions, these moments belong to patients and their providers, and they should not be decided by people at statehouses. that's not the way medicine should be practiced or ever should be legislated.
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>> doctor, doctors across the country have raised nearly $300,000 in a gofundme campaign for doctor bernard. how does it affect patients if this is what doctors need to worry about him being able to pay legal bills, being worried about what the laws are potentially ending up in court? >> it puts a space between patients and physicians that should never exist. we should not be practicing medicine and worried about our legal cases, or the safety of our families. that's not why anybody went into medicine and that's certainly not how we should be practicing medicine now. i don't want to be thinking about a threat from the attorney general or my picture being put on national news when i'm taking care of patients that need me the most. >> just the few stories i read before i introduced you show patient health being put in danger. can you explain to us the big picture, here?
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what this is doing to women's healthcare across the board? >> i tried to explain to people that there are no patients alike, so you cannot write a law that is going to apply to every single clinical situation. the antiabortion extremists are trying to write those laws, and you are seeing the impact already. people all over the country are being impacted by these laws instantaneously. whether it is missed miscarriages, ectopic menses or people that need abortions. when you try to legislate something that should never be legislated, you're going to get into trouble. >> doctor wilkinson, thank you. we appreciate it. be well. families of 9/11 victims blasting former president trump for hosting the saudi backed live golf series, i will speak with one of them, next, plus, prince harry, goes to the un.
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the saudi backing. according to a letter sent to the former president. the 9/11 mass murder of our spouses parents children and siblings left us with a lifetime of grief and pain. the pain fuels are ongoing fight to hold saudi arabia accountable for its role in the attack and what they have taken from each of us. it is incomprehensible to us that a former president of the u.s. would cast our loved ones aside for personal financial gain. joining me now, brett eagles and is the president of 9/11 justice. thank you. this is a difficult story to report, difficult for the families to have to deal with this. you were 15 when your father died on 9/11, why is this move by the former president to host the tournament so upsetting to you? >> this move is incomprehensible. this is the most evil form of greed that i've ever witnessed.
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the former president invited myself, my mother and a dozen other family members to the white house on 911 in 2019, he looked us all in the eye, he shook our hands and said, i'm going to help you. i'm going to release these documents which, what once and for all will bring you closure and bring you justice. less than 24 hours later, attorney general bill barr and his administration invoked the state secrets principal, so perhaps there is nobody on earth more who understood what the saudi's did on 9/11 and president trump himself because he instructed his attorney general to invoke the state secrets principal to keep these documents from seeing the light of day. in 2016, the president proclaimed accurately, that it wasn't the iraqis that knocks down the towers, it was the kingdom of saudi arabia. over the documents and you'll see it was the kingdom. now, to have this same president who said that in 2016, who told his attorney
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general to invoke the state secrets principal to protect the saudi's, now hosting the kingdom of saudi arabia in the backyards of 750 people who were murdered, blown away in new jersey, i don't have words. >> have you gotten a response to the letter? >> not yet. i don't expect we will. there's not a good answer for this, i think the former president is painted into a tough corner, here, he either has to acknowledge that he was right in 2016, and acknowledge that he was right and that he's taking the money anyway and that he's hosting the saudi golf tournament, or he has to acknowledge in the face of newly declassified fbi documents that in 2016 he was lying. what is it, mister president? were you right in 2016 or were you lying?
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sorry. >> go on. >> i think there's really not a good outcome for him. shame on the golfers who are taking this money. you would have to be living under a rock to not know the atrocities of the kingdom of saudi arabia commits around the world, whether it be the carpet bombing of yemen, whether it be the oppression of women, whether it be the murdering of homosexuals, public executions, the pensacola florida shooting, i could go on and on and on. really, now, 21 years later, we have concrete evidence. we have documents from our own federal bureau of investigation that there were at least a dozen members of the saudi royal family, a dozen members of saudi agents, employees, one of which was a saudi intelligence agent in the u.s. months before the 9/11 attacks providing assistance to the
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hijackers. those aren't my words, or my organization words or the families words, those are the fbi's words. >> the current president was in saudi arabia over the weekend. this is him fist bumping with the crown prince, many people object to this. are you okay with that? >> i president biden is getting an unnecessary level of criticism for this. he is our current head of state, he is our current president, i would expect him to try to negotiate, and there's a host of problems, we have gas that's almost 5 dollars a gallon in parts of the country, the saudi's continue to carpet bomb yemen and continue to oppress women. if there's a chance of peace between israel and saudi arabia, we are for those positive things. i don't blame biden for going over there to try to make things better. it's better than sticking your head in the sand. we believe that diplomacy is how you make things better. for the president of the united states, the acting head of the
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state to go there to try to bring oil down a little bit, we are in support of that. but we also hope that when he went there he addressed our issues. the 9/11 issues. >> and there's a difference between the president going to saudi arabia and the former president holding a golf tournament. >> we have a former president who knows with the documents say, we have a former president who in 2016 accurately proclaimed what the saudi's did, we have a president who in 2019 met with a handful of 9/11 families who promised that he would help us, we have a former president that then invoked the state secrets principal on the families, the first time it's ever been done in a civil litigation, versus the president, a current president, who is going to saudi arabia to try to use diplomacy to potentially bring peace between israel and saudi arabia and use diplomacy to potentially give the saudi's to stop bombing
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yemen. there is a major difference, one president is doing it for the money and another president is doing it as part of his fiduciary responsibility to the people of the united states. >> you so much, far sorry for what your families are having to deal with and what you had to deal with. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. a new voice of the united nations, prince harry with an alarming warming and an address to the general assembly, hear what he had to say, next. for wrinkle results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin.
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freedom. the keynote address on nelson mandela international day, today july 18th was mandela's birthday. the ladies of african leader spent 27 years in prison before leaving the fight to destroy the racist apartheid system in his country. harry calling on people the world over not to give up hope the way mandela never did. >> how many of us feel battered, helpless, in the face of the seemingly endless stream of disasters and devastation. i understand. this has been a painful year in a painful decade. we are living through a pandemic that continues to ravage communities in every corner of the globe. climate change wreaking havoc on our planet. with the most vulnerable suffering most of all. the few weaponizing lies and disinformation at the expense of the many. from the horrific war in ukraine, to the rolling back of constitutional rights in the
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united states, we are witnessing a global assault on democracy and freedom. the cause of mandela's life. according to freedom house, our world has grown less free, every year. for more than a decade and a half. as often happens in history, the consequences of decisions made by some of the most powerful people in some of the wealthiest countries are being felt even more deeply across the continent of africa. the pandemic, the war, and inflation have left africa mired in a fuel and food crisis. the likes of which we have not seen in decades. >> saying we live in a time of global uncertainty and division, where it's easy to feel anger and despair. also saying that nelson mandela experienced so much darkness in his life yet always managed to find the light. thanks for watching, everyone, our coverage continues.
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hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and all around the world. i'm christina macfarlane in for max foster here in london. just ahead -- >> upwards of 50 million americans dealing with significant heat here. >> we have a choice. collective suicide. >> climate change is wreaking havoc on our planet. >> no one person here today can deny there was a massive failure on may 24. >> i can hold myself together now. i'
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