tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 19, 2022 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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good evening, the first trial, the first person charged with defying a subpoena to appear before the january six committee is now fully underway. we're not just talking about any person. this is steve bannon, when time time magazine cover boy who is in, then out of the former presidents administration and good graces and whose name has come up again and again in the january six committee hearings. in opening statements today, federal prosecutors argue that than our right-wing prosecutor
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put himself above the law. the defense suggesting that to contempt of congress charges against him were politically motivated. proceedings began today after the judge in the case, carl nichols, who is a trump appointee, denied a defense request for a month long delay. you will recall that last week he rejected the number of defenses, including bannon's claim of executive privilege, leaving one ban a defense attorney to ask -- and these are his words -- what's the point of going to trial if there are no defenses? to which the judge replied, agreed. remember, this is the same c van who promised, as he made his first court appearance to make his, quote, the misdemeanor from. it's the same stephen and who, even as he recently offered to appear live before the select committee, express contempt for its members and continued his tough guy routine, -- conditions for his testimony >> here's what i need. give me a date, a time, a room number, a microphone and a wholly bible i can take the oath on. boom, deliver that, and we will
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see how good you, our jamie raskin and liz cheney and all of them. so it up. surprise even speaking about himself in the third person general people view themselves as really important they reach peak pomposity and then they generally tend to do that. not for most people getting a subpoena to appear weather before congress or in court means a stat you will pair. there are no options and negotiating terms, of course. it has a sub members of the former administration from trying. there is certainly no option to say no, as bannon has. it is understandable why a committee as focused on january six and what led up to it, but want to hear from steve bannon. he was the main cheerleader, by his own claims, the leading voice and it all. >> live from our nation's capital, you are in the field headquarters of one of the small divisions of the bloodless coup, step by step by step, day by day, understanding we are all going to converge on that point on the six. >> he said a lot of things like
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that, more specifically, the committee is interested in his calls with the former president, when he said after one of them. >> the committee has learned from the white house phone logs that the president spoke to steve bannon, his close adviser, at least twice on january 5th. the first conversation they had lasted for 11 minutes. listen to what mr. bannon said that they after the first call he had with the president. >> all is going to break loose tomorrow, all converging and we are now on the point of attack, right? the point of attack, tomorrow. i will tell you this, it is not going to have been like you think it will happen. it will be quite extraordinarily different. all i can say is strap in. >> from those same phone logs, we know that the president and mr. bannon spoke again on the phone that evening, this time, for six minutes. >> judge nichols, again a trump appointee, has ruled out executive privilege and a number of other defense
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arguments, leaving steve bannon were not many options and no way to make good on his threat. >> pray for our enemies. we are going medieval on this. we are going to savage our enemies. pray for them. who needs prayers? not maga, not war room, and certainly not stephen k. bannon. >> i spoke too soon, he is now actually speaking about himself and the third person. i must say, he sounded like i did when i was 11 years old playing dungeons and dragons. cnn's katelyn polantz was in the d. c. courtroom today and was outside when stephen bannon spoke out. what was it like inside the courtroom today? >> anderson, when we arrived this morning, we really thought that it would be very smooth. this case got off very quickly, the jury would be seated, and we will be off to the races with opening statements. that is not what happened at all. i actually want to highlight a little bit of what steve bannon said outside the court, because it echoed some of the strategy that his lawyers were trying inside the court. here he is after court ended today. >> benny thompson sent a staffer over here. where is benny thompson? when subpoena
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thompson, and they are hunted behind these phony privileges. he is too gutless to come over here himself. he has made it a crime, a crime, not a simple charge of one in my testimony but a crime. and he did not have the courage or guts to send appear. he sent a staffer. i challenge benny thompson today to have the courage to come to this courthouse. if you will charge someone with a crime, he has to be mad enough to show up here. >> he is calling for a select committee chair bennie thompson to come out and testify in court. that sounds like political bluster, but that is something that his attorneys have tried to argue in this case. they wanted to subpoena members of congress, thompson himself. the judge said no, that will not happen at this time. maybe in a very sliver of chance for it later on. right
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now, that was not going to have been. that was really reflective of the approach in court of his attorneys today. they kept trying to wedge things back into this case, that the judge had already said, it will not happen. really, that is what consumed most of the morning. i said that we thought it would go smoothly, we ended up not starting with the jury sworn in until about 1:00. that is because his attorneys kept asking for things. they kept raising things that they wanted to delay the trial again they asked for a month delay, maybe delay it to friday, monday, the judge said no. they are also not being able to bring executive privilege, with donald trump was telling him, what his attorneys are telling him into this case as we not, right now. >> what is the core of the case that the government's put a get together against them? >> the government's case is simple, it is straightforward, it is efficient, that is how they have been approaching it from the beginning. that is really what we saw from them today in their opening statements? they framed it as, this is not just a contempt of congress case, steve bannon has contempt for congress. they
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really tried to simplify this down for the jury, not get into the privilege ideas, which they really can't. they really really wanted to show that bannon had a firm date where he wanted to turn over documents and needed to show up for testimony. he defied that willingly. that is what they have been trying to show. one of their witnesses, we saw the first one today, kristen and berlin, a deputy with the house select committee, the questions are straightforward for her. did he turn over documents on that day that he needed to, october 7th? she said, he did not. and then she was asked, did he shot because the money at 10 am on october 14th, the day his subpoena said he should? her answer was, he did not. >> thank you, appreciate it. joining us now is drew griffin, with a special report on steve bannon, divided we fall, which aired on the weekend. also john dean, who served at the white house counsel in the nixon administration. and cnn political correspondent, abby phillips and anchor of cnn politics sunday. where do you make abandons the fence an argument?
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>> it is a weak defense. he is trying to say this is a witch hunt and everything is political. of course, it is political. it is a political body that took this action against his contempt. but it is not a winning argument because the government is going to shred it and say, of course, they are political, and they are doing what they are charged to do by the house. he is defying it. it is a simple case. >> abby, we saw bannon leave the court, as abby was talking about and try to get into some kind of mano a mano challenge with slick committee chairman bennie thompson, timing him for not showing up. benny thompson has an important job. steve bannon is a broadcaster accused of bringing the law. the staffer who is patently on the witness stand, was basically just ask basic questions, did he provide documents and show up? >> as caitlin said, the government cases going forward.
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steve bannon was served a subpoena, he did not answered. he did not even attempt to answered and showed contempt for the process, for the institution of congress. that, as far as the bennett is concerned is the point. bannon has always been about undermining institutions like congress, defying them flagrantly in an effort to make the point that they are, in his mind, illegitimate. it does not surprise me that these proceedings have gone a long these lines, with bannon continuing to put on a show for his podcast audience. that is ultimately what this is about. he really does have an audience of one at the end of the day. that is still donald trump. i still think that in a lot of noise, bannon is acting in a way that he believes trump would be pleased with. in fact, from the evidence that we have, trump is pleased with how bannon has been defying congress up until this point. >> drew, as we mentioned, you did a report about bannon, special report. i want to play one of the realm parts of that
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for our viewers. >> outside a recent hearing in his case, cnn caught up with steve bannon. >> why do you continue to push the lie that the 2020 election was stolen? >> it is not a lie. it is a fact. >> it is a lie, it is not a fact. you don't have a fact, rudy doesn't have a fact. >> do me a favor, get this guy, i want to sit down with you this week for two hours, we will go through all the evidence. >> how about friday? >> friday? done. done deal. >> despite that pledge, the interview never happened. bannon ultimately ignored all our requests for interviews. >> i should mention that bannon's defense team used the airing of a documentary as an argument to delay's trial. the argument failed. >> like all his other motions in last minute appeals to try to stop this trial, failed. funny, he was promoting our documentary on his own show at the same time his attorneys
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were telling a judge that because of the trouble city, they should flip. i feel for congress. we were trying to get an interview with steve bannon for many many months. he dragged us along, or his people dragged us along. as he saw there, even after he promised to sit down and talk to us about how the election was, in fact, stolen. he just blew us off, basically. because he cannot defend the, anderson. he is just looking for a show, like abby said. you cannot reasonably defend any of his positions. the odds are that if he did answer his subpoena and walking to congress, he would not have been talking to benny thompson anyway. he would have been talking to investigators who would have been asking him about facts, not bluster. >> john, the justice department, their argument is that the subpoena was mandatory, not optional. but as we have seen, there is a long list of people, mark meadows and others, who
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have ignored the subpoenas. mark meadows gave some information to the committee. dan scavino, does it hurt the doj's case at all against bannon and others? >> i don't think that is even relevant. i don't think we even get into the case. bannon might try to get it in, but it is not going to happen. he committed his crime, and that is what will be the focus. >> is it is that the cut and dry? >> it is cut and dry, absolutely. we can see that this is a cut and dry judge. he is having no play with this nonsense that is going on. >> abby, bannon told the january six committee that he is now willing to testify, preferably, at a public hearing. that will not happen. is there any more clarity on how the committee is ultimately going to handle steve bannon?
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>> yeah, more than likely, the committee, they have said, congressman mann -- told cnn that they still want to talk to him. they will probably have an interview with him in a closed-door setting, which they have done with all of their witnesses. a closed-door setting first and then possibly a public setting. i don't think bannon will be in the category of people that they are going to have any public setting. bannon would make a mockery of the process. i think that they are very much aware of that. what they want to do is get him on the record. i do think there are some questions about whether bannon even respects this idea about if you swear under oath, that you would not lie to congress. that means that you don't lie to congress. we will see how that will turn out in a private interview, but, ultimately, that is what the january six committee wants. they want him under oath, under record, probably with the lawyers and not even with the committee members just to get on the record, whether he is pleading the fifth or his side of the story, as far as they're concerned. >> drew, the various iterations of steve bannon fascinating in a documentary showed this, on the cover of time magazine,
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characterized himself as the person who helped trump win the presidency as a co-campaign manager, then fell out of favor with the white house, vanished from the white house. trump was bad-mouthing him. now, trump seems to like him again, and he has gained power politically with in the trump movement for pushing the election lies. >> yeah, in our report, we looked at steve bannon, and steve bannon's long game. it was a long game that began before donald trump. i think that is what is the real danger here that we might be missing in some of this. steve bannon has started a political movement based on a lie. we may all believe in our hearts that no one could possibly follow him. he is it that the modern people that believe in the lie and believe that they are
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somehow aggrieved by this election lost to action. he is getting people to run for offices who are election deniers. he is setting up a scene where into thousand 24, we may actually have election deniers, who are overseeing the vote. that is the real danger that we found in our documentary, and he is doing it all on this podcast which has millions and millions of followers who basically live within the echo chamber that he has developed. i don't think you can overlook that in terms of his political power. it i s -- there and a big shift, prosecutors say, that all 16 so-called fake electors, we are part of the former president scheme and signed an unofficial election certificate that was
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sent to the national archives, are now targets of the criminal probe. they have all gotten weather known as target letters. cnn's nick valencia joins us now. what more have you learned? >> hey there, anderson, this is major. so significant because it shows that the street and her criminal probe as she looks for potential election interference here in the state of georgia. up until now, we know that the state electors -- some of them had been participating with willis. but this is the first time we are hearing that the 16 electors could face criminal charges. according to one of the attorneys, many of these electors had been cooperating with willis as witnesses, but not as targets. all that changed according to court filings, in late june, when attorneys for willis's office say that new evidence came to light. attorneys for the electors are pushing back on this claim. they are saying that this is all a publicity stunt and the electors agreed to be witnesses for willis's investigation. but it was not in good faith.
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why this is so significant is that it shows that willis is potentially inching forward towards these criminal charges. it also shows, anderson, just how wide ranging, wide reaching in the broad scope of her investigation, as well. anderson? >> is there any indication this investigation is drawing closer to the former president? >> there is. and it does suggest that this may be drawn closer to former president trump. we should remind our viewers, it was earlier this month that seven key trump allies were given subpoenas. that includes the former presidents attorney, rudy giuliani, as well as south carolina republican senator, lindsey graham, as well as five legal advisers to the trump campaign. anderson one thing is clear, we will see a lot of legal wrangling before there's any resolution to this. all anderson? >> -- nick valencia, appreciate it. next, secret service text messages that select committee wants from january 5th and sixth. why they don't have them yet. what happens if they were deleted despite warnings from congress not to do that. later, big parts of europe not just baking in record high temperatures, but burning up as well. we will show you where
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one of the hottest topics of the january 6th hearings is the role of the secret service, whether involving the former president alleged anger when told he could not go to the capitol, or the former vice president's concern that his detail might whisk him away from the capital, keeping him from doing his duty. the select committee, as you know, subpoenaed the secret service for any pertinent documents, calls and text messages. today, the agency delivered a first installment. but crucially, minus any texts. cnn's ryan nobles at the capitol for us tonight. at this point, ryan, it's only chance that the messages in question can be recovered? >> and there is a question, anderson. no one seems to have the answer to it. the secret service can't seem to say with specificity weather or not these messages can be. recover they are suggesting these messages never existed, that their agency actually never used text messages to communicate during that crucial
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period of time. the select committee keeps asking over and over again for specific information about where these texts are and if they can ever be retrieved. i talked to jamie raskin earlier today, a member of the committee. he said they aren't getting those answers yet. they promised that they are going to push forward and not quit asking those questions until they get the answers and then, if they don't get the answers they are looking for, they will try to figure out what to do next. >> it's really an extraordinary situation. a, the idea that on such an important event, that that there would be missing text messages. and then just a lack of clarity still, continuing. >> yeah, i think that's an important part of this, anderson. part of the january january 6th select committee wants to know is how these agents communicated with each other during this crucial period of time. so if it wasn't through text messages, was it through some other form of communication? that's part of the reason that they issued the subpoena asking for a wide range of records, so they can sit sift through all
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of it and see if they get the answers they're looking for. there is no doubt that the secret service has been evasive in some of their answering of the some of these questions. it's one of the reasons that the inspector general was so frustrated by his look into this information. it's one of the reasons that the committee continues to press the secret service for answers. >> they are not the only ones investigating these text messages. >> that's right. now the national archives is involved. they sent a letter today to the department of homeland security, which is the agency that oversees the secret service, asking them to look into this lack of text messages being available between the days of january 5th and january 6th. the national archives has a very specific request. they've given the secret service and the department of all month security three days to come up with an explanation for where these text messages went. secret service have said they are ready to comply. but anderson, there's a lot of weight behind this request by the national archives. it is against the law to delete or destroy federal records. the
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national archives could refer this information to the department of justice if they aren't satisfied with the answers they are given by the department of homeland security or secret service. >> ryan nobles, appreciate. it as ryan just mentioned, the national archives putting the department of homeland secret service, which oversees a secret service, i notice. chief records officer brewer sent the department letter, asking for explanation, should the messages turned out to have been deleted. according from this report, it must include a complete description of the records affected. a statement of these acts, circumstances surrounding the deletion of messages, a statement of the safeguards established to prevent further loss -- of documentation. and details of all agency actions taken to salvage, retriever, we construct the records. the proverbial strongly worded letter, perspective now from former kansas governor, john karlyn, who served as archivist at the national archives and records administration from 19 95 to 2005. governor, do you think the request from the national archives to the secret service is the appropriate action for
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them to take here? >> absolutely. quite frankly, one of the main functions of the archives is to get access to records and without those records you can't hold government accountable. that's across the board, regardless of what situation we are talking about. it's just a basic, fundamental fact that without those records, you can't have the full accountability. and so, absolutely. i have seen the letter that went out from the archives. and laid out very specifically, they are carrying out their role as the keeper of all the records with a responsibility to see that they are created, they are preserved and made accessible. >> how unusual is a request like this? >> very unusual. very unusual.
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i mean, my time, i go back to ten years working with the nixon records. that was a somewhat similar, over a long period of time -- but i can't think of any other experience where it got much attention. there might be minor things that don't get in the press or out of the attention of maybe a couple people in the archives. but situation like this, not very often. >> do the archives have any way to enforce their request? or is it basically up to the secret service to comply? >> it's up to the secret service. unfortunately, in my opinion, the archives have no support or even appropriations. four -- they are just doing it with the basic budget now. all they can
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do is, as this letter points on very clearly, it is their responsibility, the law is very clear, all presidential records are official records, permanent records, to be made eventually available to the public, in this case before the public gets access totally. >> if the request is not fulfilled or ignored by the secret service, what kind of precedent do you think that would set for the feature? >> it would be a very bad one. if the congress or the courts don't follow through and in some way make it clear, the archives have no -- i don't know of any action they can take. certainly, it would have to be a part of at least some of what is sent forward in the final january 6th committee work. you know, with the department of justice can do, i do not
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know. with the archives have done and have follow-through and carried out the responsibility. and i'm proud of them. >> previous of administration, obviously, flouted archiving laws. the former president reportedly ripped up documents that had to be taped back together, that's five documents -- to mar-a-lago. the staff using encrypted apps to communicate. do you think that's a new standard or a new low as far as archives are concerned? do you worry about other administrations in the future deciding, oh, let's just use encrypted apps like they did? >> anderson, what you have just shared has to be dealt with at some point and very clearly by the government. i'm not in a position to say, okay, who does what. but it's gotta be made clear that future administrations cannot just use this as an excuse. somebody got away with it, it has established a pattern. no. that would be incredibly
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damaging to our democracy and the rule of law beyond believably damaging to this country, if that became the pattern. >> governor carl, and i really appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> you are most welcome. >> thank you for covering this. >> coming, up news just into cnn, uvalde district police ♪ it wasn't me by shaggy ♪ you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. big game today! everybody ready? alexa, ask buick to start my enclave. starting your buick enclave. i just love our new alexa. dad, it's a buick. i love that new alexa smell. it's a buick. we need snacks for the team. alexa, take us to the nearest grocery store. getting directions.
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his fate. tonight, there is new action under discussion against uvalde school district police chief, pete arredondo, as we told you last night. a new report from the texas house committee says this about his response to the school shooting at robb elementary. quote, as events unfolded, he failed to perform or chance for the role to another person of incident commander. it took police, as you know, more than an hour to some to classroom it killed a gunman, who killed 19 students and teachers. last night, at the school board meeting in uvalde, a relative of a school board shooting victim demanded action. >> you are as dull standing by him to take a vacation, correct? he is on administrative leave, we received this information yesterday. one thing i did say when he went on administrative leave is that we were going to weigh on investigative information to come forward to help us in our decision-making process. i will stick to that.
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>> i will tell you this, if he is not fired by noon tomorrow, then i want erection a shun and every single one of your board members because you do not give a about our children or us. [applause] stand with us or against us, because we are not going nowhere. >> joining us now from texas, cnn simon prokupecz. obviously, a lot of understandable anger they're being directed at pete arredondo. what else have you learned tonight about whether or not he will be removed? >> that process is underway, anderson. i am told by school officials that they want him terminated. they want him gone. they listened to those parents in that meeting last night. i was there. it was incredible to watch, anderson, because it was the first time -- we have heard them sort of demand accountability, but it was really the first time where you felt that they had confidence. they were coming together as one to ask for accountability. that was the biggest thing that
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they all wanted. they wanted pete arredondo fired. they want him gone. now, it looks like that process is underway. school officials listening to those parents, and i am told that, the school wants him terminated. there is a process now. that process is underway. the one thing, anderson, he could resign before, ultimately, that decision is made final, because he is under contract, there are other things going on here. we wait to see what happens in the next few days. >> you repeatedly tried to talk to arredondo to get basic questions. you caught him in early june, he was not forthcoming. i would play part when he did say to you. >> we are not going to release anything. we are going to be respectful. >> i just want you to be honest to -- that you are responsible to go into the room. had exploited the parents? >> they're being respectful to the parents. >> i understand that, and you have an opportunity to explain yourself to the parents.
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>> just so you know, we will do that eventually. >> when? >> whenever this is done, when the families could grieving, then we will do that, obviously. >> again, whenever the families quit grieving. he was trying to turn on you, as if you are being disrespectful of asking these questions of people were grieving, as if there was some and to the grief. i spoke to angel garza, the dad of amerie jo garza, who was murdered. he said anyone who said that they are withholding information from the benefit of the families was lying. if anyone has information on how this happened, they want it now. he also talked about the family's coming together. cnn has reached out to aaron's lawyer, has there been any response? >> no, there has been no response, but that is typical with arredondo side. he has
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talked. he talked to the texas tribune, where he claimed that he did not get a sense that he was the on scene commander. when you look at that body cam footage, anderson, and you look at that hallway footage released, you can tell that, yes, there was no leadership, but there are people on the body camera footage for saying that arredondo is with the gunman, he is there, he is in charge, he's making decisions. you hear pete arredondo tried to negotiate with the gunmen. some of the family members have watched that body camera footage, watched the hallway footage, and they, watching that, you can tell that, yesterday, and their reaction to what they have seen, they felt a confidence and the strength to come forward and demand accountability. that is why they want information. that is why they need information, so that they know that something here is wrong. there was cover-up. they were not given the truth. they want those answers again. it does not stop the arredondo. the
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family say they will go after other people in that hallway, and also other school officials. >> as the report says, there was a lot of different agencies there and a lot of responsibility which we need to learn more about. shimon prokupecz, appreciate it. coming up, the global heat wave that has helped build wildfires across europe and hit set record high temperatures in parts of europe, including texas and oklahoma. we will see a stunning video of one ups driver trying to work and the environment plus a report from paris tonight. some liberty. liberty. ♪ if maga republicans get their way, abortion will be banned nationwide, with no exceptions. medicare and social security will end in five years, with no replacement. elections will be decided by politicians, with no regard for your vote. if maga republicans get back in power, your rights, benefits and freedoms will be in danger.
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newly-obtained video we want to show you about this global heat wave. the ups driver in arizona last week was delivering packages at 108-degree weather. in a video, he seems to be having difficulty walking up to the house. he bends over to put down an awful opened slumps to the ground. his motionless throughout ten seconds and fell on his back. he then got back up, rang the doorbell, walked away. the man who lived inside the home did not see the video until much later. he called police and ups to check on the driver safety. in a statement to cnn, ups says the driver called a supervisor for assistance. more than 100 million americans are under heat alerts. record high temperatures in texas, and oklahoma today. in texas, officials say a firefighter so
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if he suffered heat exhaustion battling at five. heart -- they expect the threat of fires from extremely high. about 99% of the state is experiencing some level of drought. as cnn's melissa bell reports, the extreme heat is a problem here as well as in europe >> a fire rages through a field in spain as homes burn. in >> a fire rages through a field in spain as homes burn. in greater london, a house is swallowed by wildfire. these, just some of the many sweeping across europe where temperatures have soared in a heat emergency that stretches across the globe. china's heat wave began last week, with 51 cities including beijing, now into the second highest heat alert level. european cities sweltered under new highs in what is the continents second heat wave of the summer, now entering its second week. ireland seeing its hottest day in a century. in the united kingdom, temperatures reached 104
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degrees. a first, with london's fire brigade declaring a major incident tuesday because of a, quote, huge surge in fires across the capital. >> i think we just have to adapt, totally? our homes have to, change our way of life has to change. >> here in france, the temperatures reached 105 degrees. difficult enough for paris, which is not accustomed to such extreme temperatures. but down in the southwest of france, the impact has been far more devastating. the french president is due down by those wildfires that have been spreading for several days under pressure from local officials who accused him of not having done enough, soon enough. down near bordeaux, fires have continued to spread, burning through still more of the forests that run all the way down to spain. already, tens of thousands of people have been forced to evacuate their homes in southern europe. the extreme heat causing fires in texas and causing the planes to swelter all the way up to the dakotas.
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temperatures as high as 110, feeling as high as 115. experts say that climate change can no longer be ignored. >> we are talking about weather events we probably would've expected to see a decade or two down the line. what's more striking than that, i think, is how poorly we are preparing and adapting. we know these temperatures were coming. >> for many people across the northern hemisphere, this tuesday brought those temperatures and those weather events into far sharper for focus. >> anderson, here in paris, it's just started raining. a thunderstorm that's likely to prove short respite. that heat expected to continue into next week. terrible news for those many hundreds of thousands of firefighters trying to bring those fires under control, not just in greece, spain, and italy. countries that are accustomed to seeing them. but further north in bordeaux and britney, as far north as london. parts of the world where you
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just could not have imagined something like this a few years ago. it is then when people flee their homes, when houses are destroyed, that the reality of climate change really comes home. >> melissa bell, appreciate it, stunning images. just ahead, the politics of climate change here in the u.s. and how one democratic senator thwarted his party's attempt to pass a bill that included efforts to fight climate change. was joe manchin motivated by his ties to the financial industry? when you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. so you can do more incredible things. [whistling]
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pressure is building on president biden to announce some kind of action on climate change, particularly after west virginia senator joe manchin told his fellow democrats he would not support the climate provisions in a large economic package the democrats want to pass and campaign. that's according to sources who spoke to cnn. one of those sources said that senator manchin had at one point actually supported the climate provisions, plus taxes to help pay for the package. democrats need his vote in the 50/50 senate. mentions manchin is obviously up for reelection in two years. the state benefits from the energy industry. chief congressional correspondent -- jomana raju has more on what's joe manchin may be after. >> let me make it very clear. >> progressives in congress are fed up with senator joe
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manchin. >> it's hard to think of someone who has been more effective at undermining a president of his own party than senator manchin. >> it's not fair to swing string people along for a year and not come to a conclusion. it's not an appropriate way to negotiate. >> the 50/50 senate sucks. that's it. >> biden initially wanted a 3. 5 trillion dollar deal to expand the social safety net. >> the -- in these bills, is what 81 million americans voted for. >> for months, manchin and the president negotiated, with manchin even secretly proposing two senate majority leader chuck schumer he would only agree to a bill about half its size. after the white house came down to one point 575 trillion dollars, manchin derail the effort by saying he was filled with budget gimmicks. >> this is a no on this legislation. >> schumer has
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been quietly in talks with manchin on a scale's back plan, believing they were close to a 350 billion dollar climate and energy deal along with tax hikes to pay for it, manchin indicated he favored a narrow ville, focused on prescription drug prices and health care subsidies. >> how do you respond to the criticism from your colleagues that you strong them along for an entire year, and at the end at the end of the day pulled the plug? >> i never strong anyone along. i was the first to raise the alarm on inflation. i'm worried about the person who cannot feed their family. i'm sorry, if they don't care about that, i do. >> manchin, who lives on a 65 foot boat while in d. c. has been criticized for his ties to the energy industry, as he has benefited from nearly 1 million dollars in campaign donations from the oil and gas industry over the past five years, he has financial holdings between 1 million and $5 million in a coal business he founded. he says that has nothing to do with his position. >> they say it's your personal ties to the coal industry or financial ties. >> you know, what everyone has a job, everyone has made a
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living or tried to provide for their family. if they want to criticize that, looking for some reason, the bottom line is inflation. >> the reality, manchin is a where democrat from a state that donald trump carried by 40 points. manchin only remained winning reelection by 2018 -- the former -- mansion won his first race in 2010, after vowing to literally shoot down his parties climate change bill. >> i will take dead aim at the cap and trade bill. because it's bad for west virginia. >> moderates say he's raining in the parties extremes. they credit him for helping broker an infrastructure package and a gun violence bill that biden signed into law. >> are you happy with the position he's taken on these issues? >> i'm happy that he moderates many of the times. >> he's with us 70, 75, 85% of the time. nobody agrees with everybody onto percent of the. time >> and see along with kyrsten sinema have refused to
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change filibuster rules, he's become a gop darling. >> would you support him for reelection in 2024? >> absolutely. >> how helpful has he been to republicans in the 50/50 senate? >> i think he's been helpful to the country. >> some say he should just change parties. you >> you can republican saying he should just join our conference. what do you say to that? >> see you later. >> there is still a strong likelihood, anderson, that there are some legislation that could get to the president focusing on the health care issues and the power to negotiate the prices of prescription drug, as well as extending those expiring subsidies under the affordable care act for two years. democrats -- by the rules to try to pass that. but of course they need all 50 democrats to get on board. there's no plan for them to join them. that means at the end of the day, they need joint mission.
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just artist folks on something much closer to plunder, heritage, jupiter. the biggest biden our solar system. and therefore under 30 million miles. way to the left of jumpers famous great red spot a storm bacon up to swallow earth acquainted. nasa we see the shadow europa or jupiter's opening moves swell. there's off these new photos giving us another view of europa and two other means. and in another image of the seniors hard to see ranks. that webb can pick a pale objects, while also capturing detail on fast-moving bright objects, both of which will come in handy as explores jupiter, mars and saturn. the news continues, i want to head over to laura coates and cnn tonight. thanks anderson, thank you all, i am laura coats, and this is cnn tonight. guess what? the missing tax from conservatives on january 5th and six, they are, still missing. no, they have not been handed over to the general six committee. now, the national archives want answers to what they called the quote unquote potential unauthorized deletion
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