whether trump was found unconscious and unresponsive this about a staircase in her town house last week. authorities say she died of blood impact on her torso. about a trump with 70. the news continues and headed over to lower codes of cnn tonight. laura? anderson, thank you so much. i am laura coats, and this is cnn tonight. it is the final countdown. less than 24 hours from now, the january six last public hearing, at least for now, and it is prime time to. there is a lot of anticipation -- building on what revelations could be coming. how does the panel plan to make its case tomorrow in this sort of serious finale. we are on number eight, and you committee member jamie raskin just confirmed to cnn that the committee plans to show and outtake of video that donald trump recorded the day after the riots on monday, january the 7th. the whole thing is about three minutes from what we saw, but it took an hour to shoot, according to the washington post. even then, it still needed to be edited.

watch from one the camera position changes. >> on january 20th, my focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly seamless transition of power. this moment calls for healing and reconciliation. 2020 has been a challenging time for our people. a menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens. >> so how was the other 57 a menacing pandemic has upended the lives of our citizens. >> so how was the other 57 minutes spent? what is in those optics? why was it so hard for him to condemn the violence? those outtakes, we are told, will be part of the committee's case that donald trump abandoned his duties as president. to stop his own supporters from attack in the u.s. capital for more than three hours, mind you. tonight, we have a former white house communications director in the administration, who very publicly pleaded with the ex

president during the insurrection to call off them up. condemned us now, she begged on twitter, you are the only one they will listen to. for our country. we actually have a trio of trump world and committee insiders this evening to help us walk through exactly what to expect, including someone who led a national questioning of two key witnesses that we will be hearing from tomorrow. remember, this is a congressional investigation. i could go on for many more months. committee members are promising the probe are not winding down, only ramping up with so much new information coming in. it seems almost daily. remember, when it ends, whenever that is, it ends with a report, not a verdict. you will have a conclusion, not criminal charges or some sort of answer of who did what, when, why and what you should do about it in a court of law. that power lies with the justice department. there is news on that front

apparently tonight, as well. there is now a huge question mark over the doj's ongoing investigation, namely, will attorney general merrick garland ever charged donald trump with a crime? does he have the evidence to do so, to indict, let alone convict? he was pressed about it today. listen to his answer. >> no person is above the law in this country. nothing stops us -- >> even a former president? >> i will say that again, no person is above the law in this country. i cannot say it any more clearly than that >> he will be asked again many more times, rest assured. anyone criminally responsible for an attempt to undo a democratic election needs to be held accountable, arland says. we don't actually know how high up indictments will go and just how far and above the law but some might try to be. we'll talk more about that and more throughout the entire hour of the show but let's start with what is right in front of us, this primetime hearing that starts tomorrow. i will get to the former trump white house communications

director, alyssa sarah griffin resigned from her post weeks before january six. she knows the two trump aides that will be testifying tomorrow. alyssa, glad to see you here today a lot is being made of a primetime hearing that is a big deal in and of itself. without these two witnesses, tell me what you think about their ability to testify credibly tomorrow. >> i think it was extremely smart of the committee to bear these two witnesses together. i know matthew pottinger is a close friend. he was the senior most national security council aide onsite on the west wing on january six. robert o'brien was not there. this is a person with an incredible career and ability across the aisle. he served as the wall street journal bureau and beijing. he was a marine corps officer. he was one of the most renounced -- on the other side, you have my friend sarah matthews, who is a tried and true republican. she was handpicked by caitlyn mcenany from the trump campaign to come to the west wing. she worked with repopulate is on capitol hill exactly, you can't claim it's never a trump or right now.

they confronted different arenas, and both over there and can tell you exactly what happened in those critical moments, with the former president was or was not willing to say to call off the mob and also shed light on what the senior advisers around him were willing to say, how far they were willing to push him >> so far, we only had the idea of mark meadows, that's as far as it seems to get with cassidy hutchinson's testimony. mark meadows did not want to talk to him. he did not want to do anything. he kept saying -- we ought to get from people why it was not the plight sooner, the national guard. the idea of them being republicans and not just republicans, and one recruited by -- and there have been many attacks, nonetheless, on this being a partisan job, some tire committee you have been outspoken about your beliefs on that day, are either of these two witnesses vulnerable to those sort of attacks as well? are they seeing it already? >> they certainly will receive them. i would guess that sarah matthews would get them worse,

because as we've seen from trump world, women whose big a tenth to get the worse criticism and smear campaigns and threats. i had to say it because she is my friend, and i am picking her for coming forward, it comes with the territory. cassidy hutchinson has to have security for doing her role for the country and speaking out when our superiors like mark meadows would not. listen, they're doing right because as we've seen from trump world, women whose big a tenth to get the worse criticism and smear campaigns and threats. i had to say it because she is my friend, and i am picking her for coming forward, it comes with the territory. cassidy hutchinson has to have security for doing her role for the country and speaking out when our superiors like mark meadows would not. listen, they're doing right by the country. these are credible people with integrity who are not there for any partisan reason, only to system the committee in the investigation. >> where we just hearing about this? cassidy was a surprise witness, in many respects. people were caught off guard and flat-footed that you testify these two witnesses, were they in the works all

along for this final primetime event? >> sara has been in touch with the committee for many months i connected her with liz cheney probably six months ago. she resigned on january six, as they pottinger. she didn't record the committee since the outset. i don't know when the decision was made to put her in the final hearing my understanding is that passenger had sat down with the committee, but i think decided to be somebody who would be used in this compasses the after hearing the cassidy hutchinson testimony and wanted to speak out more forcefully i should note also, matt pottinger is close to mike pence he traveled with him anytime you want to asia. that was his portfolio within the nsc both he and sir matthew stated to the committee that it was one the pence tweets an out that they were like, this is enough, i cannot stand by this. >> you spoke with sarah matthews earlier this morning, what is she feeling about testifying? is she nervous, is she confident?

is she believing that there is a lot that you can contribute and be additive? >> i think she is going in clear eyed because she already got the criticism after she spoke out against january six and resigned i think she knows what she is walking into i wish more people did. it should not be a deputy press secretary who has to be the one to go testify before the committee. it should be the white house chief of staff or white house counsel. she's ready for, but i'm sure the natural nerves either because smear campaigns will begin immediately, if they have not already. there are many of us who are there to defend her integrity, which is unquestionable. >> but do you think are on the outtakes that we will hear tomorrow? outtakes that are 57 minutes worth of double trump. what do you think we will see? >> i think you will see a lot of staff to coach him to say things more forcefully and directly and to use certain language, and him try not to. i could imagine that he was not wanting to condemn violence, not wanting to talk about a transition of power by the way, i should note that while this is interesting and would be revealing footage, we still have not seen the footage of

the january six video shot in the rose garden. there are other arctic zone -- outtakes that where he said, you are wonderful, you are beautiful people. there were apparently other versions of that that might be even more revolutionary in terms of how he was feeling on the actual day. i don't believe the committee has got gotten those in their possession yet. >> i wonder why they would not have that. there have january seventh instead. do you have any insight into why do we have one over the other? first of all, we don't know what happened in helensiski still. i get it, the video he made afterwards, like he was almost forced to do so. i would with the optics of that were like i look back at sarah matthews testimony particular, how do you feel, and how do you think she is feeling about the fact it is her and not say mark meadows testifying? it is not others that were there. kelly matthews, we've seen video of her during the course of the entire hearing. what does she make of the fact that it is her in a hot seat so to speak? >> i can't speak to her, but i

imagine there is a level of frustration at the cowardice of more senior individuals were not speaking up. also doing this mean spending tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers, spending time away from your job, doing with potential threats and harassment she's being brave by stepping forward. and just shows the lack of leadership that was there in the final days. it is her and 26-year-old cassidy hutchinson that speaking out. >> you'll see more about exactly what happened. alyssa, standby, much more on our conversation about all of this in a moment. and our insiders ahead plus a new allegation that donald trump is still actively trying to overturn the 2020 election, as in the word still was just used. we're talking more than a year and a half later. i will tell you why when we go back. you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card.

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january 6th committee's primetime turns directly to the commander-in-chief, or former commander in chief. not only on the witnesses in

the room that happened, but on donald trump himself. if anyone says we need to move on, enough already. well, former president still appears quite focused on the election he lost. that was almost two years ago. new evidence for cnn affiliate, w i s n, and which reports that donald trump called the top lawmaker and the risk ounce and state assembly, robin boss, wait for it, last week. here's how boss describes the presidents request to overturn the state's 2020 election results. >> he makes his case, which i respect. he would like us to do something different in wisconsin. i explained it is not allowed under the constitution. he has a different opinion. >> constitution? opinion? details. griffin is one of the three key insiders so we. have we are also joined by miles taylor, former chief of staff to houma's land security under donald trump. great hair, as always. by the. like am making him laugh.

also, john wood. equally great hair, by the way. >> you don't have to say that. >> senior investigator to the house select committee. he's now running for u.s. senate is now running in this. eric i've now made him flash. i give you a second to wait it out a second. miles, luck, everyone, john. you have been someone who has been on this committee. ross on the outside looking in. you work on the inside. i have to know, with these two witnesses, is there anything to say that these are one of the last of, then the blockbuster? or are we reading too much into those two? >> i wouldn't worry too much that is those two. those two, i think you're going to hear from a range of witnesses. one of the things that the committee has done really well is he is videotaped oppositions -- depositions and interviews, weaving it into the hearing. while there might just be two people sitting live at the witness table, we're going to hear from a lot of people who worked in the white house for

donald trump and it has been very compelling. the two witnesses that we're gonna hear from tomorrow, they are extremely credible. i led the staff interviews of both of them. i can tell, you they came across as extremely sincere and credible. i think there can be powerful. we're getting from others, i expect to hear from more from pat cippilone. people who were close to donald trump. >> now, i wonder in those moments when you are having the initial witness interviews, where their moments where you had a draw drop, or the aha moment? but those moments playing? are there more in reserve? >> every hearing so far, it has had more information. i think this is going to be true for this next one. i don't know if there's going to be -- we have heard from cassidy hutchinson, that was really draw dropping. we are going to learn new information, in particular, that has been built up in these hearings. they haven't gone perfectly, chronologically. but the have got someone chronologically in the sense that we've heard from the pressure that the president would have on -- the buildup to january six. now, we're going to hear about

that critical 187 minutes while the attack was going on, before the president finally, someone reluctantly, send them home. >> somewhat. you have that. right miles, now we are in this new 187 minutes. this is where matthew pottinger comes into play. what do you think he's going to testify, say? >> well, let's talk about that number. let's talk about that number second. i've said before, laura, i think this is the closest thing to a smoking gun in the halls insurrection. this is the gun that smoke 487 minutes. let me compared to something. i haven't heard anyone make this comparison. after 9/11, george w. bush was villainized for waiting seven minutes in a classroom to go make the phone call, to check in after terrorist attack on the united states. >> reading a book, remember? i remember that moment. no.

>> elementary school, seven minutes. they even made a film about. and fahrenheit 9/11, they ticked off the minutes. donald trump waited 26 times that amount of time and was watching the terrorist attack unfold. >> that is actually studying. so, we will hear about the what in this hearing from sara and matt. but also, the important thing is the who here. if you were watching a terrorist act and the, your president of the united states and it was a domestic event, like we had on january six, would you do one of two things. one, you like all your communications professionals and say, immediately put out a statement telling these people to, you, know get out of there and condemn u.s. attack. that would've gone to sarah matthews. she would've been the one, likely, melissa crafted the statement and issued the statement. or, you would have called and said to the national security adviser, we need to think of the phone, call the secretary of defense or the capitol police. we need an armed response of some kind to prevent this from happening. that would've been met pottinger. these two people did not get the call from the president.

instead, in that case, he rushed to the oval office to say, what is happening? they wouldn't let him in. >> that is when you saw mark meadows, apparently, asked the question about whether they're going to have. you are nodding. you must know this for a fact. look at the committee are like, yes, laura. that is exactly right. i can't multiply 26 by seven like you did. but i didn't have my iphone with me for a second. i know. i. [laughs] now for lawyers. we don't do this. melissa, on this very notion, thinking about. it when you think about the statement that you would have, mcclain president of the united states, his statements were always tweets. overwhelmingly. we were aware of how people were hanging on his every word. we heard people testifying to this very effect. what would've been the impact had double trump, former president denies it at that time, so that was followers? you know quite what. >> you opened with my tweet that day. i resigned about a month prior. when i said, condemn this now. there will only listen to you. sarah matthews has said that when the mike pence tweet went out, that was pouring gasoline. not only was he not stopping,

saying the opposite, act but he was making worse and inciting it in realtime. i think that, to miles, point you're going to get an assessment of national security threats and threat environment leading up to it, matt pottinger would have had visibility. weapons that people were tried to traffic into the capital. any sort of briefings that they were getting on the high side there, but then you would also have sarah matthews who is going to know the back and forth and what it looks like between the press office and the oval office that day to get him to denounce's attack. yeah, i went on three hours. >> we have seen, sound right? matthew has been talking about it. talking about. let's play. we thought that the president needed to tweet something. >> we thought that the tweet needed to be down, tweet something immediately. i think when kayleigh gave us that order of don't see -- say anything to the media, i told her that i thought the president needed to tweet

something. >> now, he didn't, obviously, in part of what they try to convince the american public last time is connecting the dots. not only this person the power, but they were taking some sort of order from the president of the united states. does it match square with you that they were built to accomplish that mission? >> so, at the last hearing, one of the things that we heard from one of the witnesses is that the reason he finally left the capital -- this is someone who breached the capitol, was in the capital, one of the rioters. the reason he finally left was simply because the president asked him to. why did the president do more during the hundred 87 minutes to ask his followers to leave? i think if he had, making some of the violence could've been prevented. >> we will. see stick with. that were coming back to this panel. don't, worry more of what we've learned so far and where the committee's investigation may just go from here. how much where does the committee have left to accomplish its goal? we are going to impact that, next.

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the january 6th select committee knows how to get attention, but the question really is, is it actually changing lives? for her part, the vice chair, liz cheney, has spoken consistently to her own party. >> i think we all have to recognize and understand what it means to take our oath to defend the united states constitution. that oath must mean something. i think we all have to recognize and understand what it means to say those words and what it means that those things happened. we're even more chilling with more threatening that we could have imagined. we have to choose. it is also painful for republicans to accept, because republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. we cannot let america become a nation of conspiracy theories

and thug violence. >> she's facing quite a uphill battle. palatial 69% of republicans -- there's little to no responsibility for that attack. back here, there are three key insiders. when you hear, that i see you shaking your head because the idea -- she keeps repeating this notion. we have to do. it it's imperative. it's going to be painful to realize the truth. it could be painful here. why are these epiphanies so painful? >> well, i completely relate to congressman cheney. i have immediate family members who still think that the election was stolen. even when i say that i know donald trump, i worked for him. it isn't. true it doesn't. lord i want to shake people, say come on. i want to say that these key meetings are breaking though> there is always been a jewel. track one city of the case for the doj and see what they're going to do. that's weighing the public. they've had tens of millions of views, far more than that committee anticipated. the testimony has been almost all republican by the way. and i think it is having an impact. liz cheney, to her credit, she

is still running. it is smart that she. is she shows she's not going to be intimidated. but even if she loses, she will have made her mark on history. she's going to be part of the change that, hopefully, comes at some point in the republican party. >> should begin by talking about the whole hearing saying, one day, donald trump will be gone, but you have done, i'm paraphrasing here, look at our poll numbers -- she's very vulnerable, would you talk about the race and how the primary is shaping up. john, you're running for office right now. i want to know about that. but i also know if that was a dual truck purpose committee, equal parts liberal doj and a moral imperative here i need everyone to be on the same page that what happened was wrong. we all get that. is that part of what the goal was. >> i think the goal is to make sure the american people understand that what happened so it never happens again. we need to get back to consensus around following the constitution and protecting our democracy. i am a republican.

i've been a republican my whole life. even though i am running as an independent in missouri, i am still a republican. the fact is that donald trump did not win the election. part of living in a democracy is that you accept the results of the election, even if your candidate or party does not win. >> you are not entitled to vote for the winner. republicans are paying quite a price. if you are a republican running as an independent, largely because you realize the price to pay to the price of emitting the truth. >> this is also a selfless feeling prophesy. i want to take you back to 2016 when trump was running, i was working under paul ryan's leadership when he was speaker of the house. we are worrying about him rising within the republican pack because he would do immense brand damage to the gop. that feels like an incredibly naive understatement because he is done greater brand homage to the gop, it's the entire country. but to republicans, it is long sustaining damage. he is an exemplar of what

happened you have lifelong republicans running as independents. i know the last segment we joked about numbers, i want to bring numbers into this though. it does not matter that these hearings are not winning over the mega maga cohort that was never going to happen you're never going to dissuade the 69% that believed the election was stolen. it was not. but matters is what is happening with independent voters in this country. 50% of americans do not consider themselves to be a democrat or republicans. 50% consider themselves political independence. that is the highest that the number has been in recorded history. those are the people who are the majority makers. that is the pro democracy coalition in the country. they are breaking heavily in that direction that this committee has made an impact and donald trump should not president again. that is what matters. the independents. >> on that point, even though you are lifelong republicans, remember rusty bowers, who testified, he was emotional and talking about the idea that it

was emphatical to his oath. you cannot do it, to tell a lie or break it in some way. that same person, he was formally censored by the arizona house, the republican party executive committee. why? because of what he testified to and said. there was this chairwoman, kelly ward, who tweeted, he is no longer a republican in good standing. we call on republicans to replace him at about box in the august primary. i want to be -- >> rusty bowers, as incredible as his testimony was, he did in an interview that if trump was the nominee, he would still support him. well i want to know from that is that you cannot have one foot in, one foot out. the maga ward will savage you if you do. if you go out a step and say i will support him if you are the nominee, they will still do this. there has been a clean break of republican saying enough of this person. i would like to remind you all, if and when donald trump announces he is running, likely next month, i think, other republicans should run against

them. they should be up on a debate stage saying, only one of us lost to joe biden, and it is you, donald trump. >> that is called a sick burn. >> is that what you do? >> she can do that for a living. [laughs] this will be ironic coming for me. bring it on twitter. now is not the time for anonymity. [laughs] now -- >> miles twitter remains undefeated. >> i can say that because i am telling you that criticizing him from the shadows ultimately, i wanted to unmask myself, and i did. don't do that folks, illustrated the mics. go straight to delight. we need ex trump officials to come to delight and say who this guy is. otherwise, it could happen again. he's the odds on favorite -- i cannot believe that is the reality, and people need to

come forward >> joe biden's approval is in the tanks. there is a perfect storm scenario, where damaging could be commander and chief and not a lot of time. we will be probably fleeing the country that have been. it's >> a lot of people are furious both ends of the spectrum right now. as he said, joe biden is unpopular, but a lot of people are concerned about donald trump. they may like his policies, they may agree with some of his policies, but think he is a danger to our constitution and democracy. this is why we're seeing a lot of people in that vast group who are in the mainstream, who rejected the extremes that they get as a result of the primaries. the republican and democratic primaries, that is why i am running fothu.s. senate as an independent, even though i am a lifelong common sense conservative republican. >> we will see what happens.

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the attorney general pushback today. >> the central tenet in the way in which the justice department investigates, essential tended to the rule of law is that we do not do our investigations in public. we have to get this right. no person is above the law in this country i cannot say it any more clearly than that. there is nothing in the principle of prosecution or any other factors which prevent us from investigating anyone, anyone, who is criminally responsible for an attempt to undo a democratic election. >> how should we view this. it is garland moving too slow or something different? and a new piece, my next guest makes a case in the fence -- in defense of the justice department. lawfare editor benjamin wittles

joins me now. i am glad you are here. listen, we have seen and heard all the criticism, to slow, people are probably adding on to the mueller probe. lack of patients and what is going on, but do you think they are moving too slow and are dragging their feet? waiting, as some people believe? >> i don't. i think they have moved more remarkably quickly, and general. when you look at the scope and scale of investigation since january six, 2021, we have had more than 850 indictments. a surprising number of them i've been people who have been accused of violent and bad offenses. they have moved up to hierarchy a potential defendants relatively quickly. they moved up to seditious conspiracy cases, and they are now knocking at the door of the political echelon. if you had said, if we had been sitting here on january 7th and you had said, but would aggressive investigation look

like of this? i want to describe something exactly like that as the best-case scenario for whatever the issue might look like. >> it is true that they have moved up to hierarchy in terms of charges, but they have been criticize, especially from andrew weissmann, deputy prosecutor of the congressional -- russia investigation, where he talks about the bottom up approach. we often hear the colloquial term about lose the big fish is the approach of those 800 plus indictments, and there are low level actors, compared to the president of the united states, is that approach flawed? >> i don't think it is. i agree with andrew weissmann that if the justice department is not looking at the broad range of activity that donald trump engaged in and others engaged in in the wake of the election leading up to january six, that would look like it has a certain institutional blunder on in fact, we know the justice department has executed search warrants against john eastman, one of the people who

was helping the president plot the fake electors. >> the spin memo we all read about. >> there has been a search warrant executed eastman. there has been a search warrant executed against jeffrey clark, the official who trump tried to install as the acting attorney general. >> these were quite recent. they were after the testimony -- >> first of all, recent activity is a sign that the investigation is alive and doing its work. if you had said there has been a recent activity, that wouldn't bother me. moreover, the justice department gets the benefit of a lot of different and put it gets the benefit of all the bottom up activity that it has engaged in, as they flip defendants, they get cooperation. as they bring in new defendants, they get a new allegations come in. they also get the benefit of journalism. there has been a lot of journalism there look at the benefit of the committee.

the committee has conducted 1000 plus interviews it's not a bug, it's a feature that the investigation appears to be assimilating inputs from all over the place an important point of this is that this is not like watergate because you have a relatively discreet pattern i don't know how many total defendants were in watergate watergate, by the way, took five years to prosecute this is hundreds and hundreds of people scattered all over the country, even the activity that is looking at, if you think about it geographically, it involves people all over the place this is going to take a while >> speaking of hundreds and hundreds of people, i was a career prosecutor. i've been talking about attorney merrick garland, who i know you know well, at the end of the day, it is the career prosecutors who will be prosecute this is hundreds and hundreds of people scattered all over the country, even the activity that is looking at, if you think about it geographically, it involves

people all over the place this is going to take a while >> speaking of hundreds and hundreds of people, i was a career prosecutor. i've been talking about attorney merrick garland, who i know you know well, at the end of the day, it is the career prosecutors who will be both in the case in presenting it to the attorney general and some form or fashion or do you make of the perception that people have that the attorney general or the doj more broadly is playing catch-up? i asked the specifically because there are letters to the committee that they were not handing over a mission to >> first of all, in a the doj. situation in which the committee is doing a top down and mastication, it's not so the question, hey, welcome me say about political accountability with donald trump? they interview everybody around the king. that is not the way you conduct a criminal investigation, as you know. a criminal mastication, you do

it maybe not from the bottom up, but you are going to start with people below. it is not surprising to me at all that the committee gets to some people starting at the top for you get them coming up from the bottom. to me, the question is the following, as you look at the way the investigation progresses, is it moving up, it is their pressure from the cases that they are making on the next run up the letter? right now, it seems to me that there is a lot. it's a very active investigation crossing a lot of different territory, both legally and factually. as long as that is the case, i will not sit here and worry that the subpoena that went out last week did not go out las t -- -- the doj is supposed to do their

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>> so, you just heard benjamin with his urge the american people to be patient as the doj 's general six investigation plays out. but is the doj going about its probe the right way? john what is back with us and ali williams is also here. john, uniformly u.s. attorney, as. well i know you were deputy ag, as. well both of, you very, very well versed in where we are right now. do you buy the notion of being patient? , and prosecutors know we are supposed to be perfect and have no time to be. they have a lot more time in the average, case right? >> i think we have to be patient with the justice department, but i do think there is an important step that the attorney general could make. probably should make known, which is i think inevitably, at some point, this investigation has to have a look at people in the immediate, inner circle of

donald trump. donald trump, very well might run for president of the united states against joe biden. that makes this as political as it can conceivably be. you can take some of the politics out of it, i think the attorney general should appoint a special counsel that can be as written politics of someone can be. looking into anyone closeness so seated with donald trump. >> i mean, that -- having mueller flashbacks. either like it or not. >> another thing i liked at. i think the public has a hunger for more information. something baiting to the justice department, is there for six years for deputy attorney general the. and the just pop it doesn't talk about the investigation. i think that, sort of being incompatible with of the world has come to expect right now. certainly, there are places where the justice department, by law, can't talk about what they're investigating as important as a grand jury. nothing stops the attorney general from, saying, hey look. we're investigating this manner. calm down. i don't know if i want him to do that, but maybe that is what some people want to level up a little. >> the clinton fiasco makes people militant say anything,

-- you talk about in her circle. rudy giuliani, i mean -- [laughs] >> is that a legal analysis? >> i can't talk about. >> i'll take it from. here rudy giuliani ordered to testify right now in georgia. he has a chance to do it in new york. apparently, he blew it off and didn't show up. talk about the inner circle. would you make of the fact that giuliani had to testify in a case, or investigation, involving the big georgia phone call, they collect, earnestly can go on with the list. >> rudy giuliani's own testimony, in which he gave before state legislator in georgia, and similar things in other states. in georgia legislation, he should have videotaped would supposedly happened at the state farm arena. that was edited in a way that made extremely misleading. it made it look like what he described, suitcases of ballots being brought. and in fact, no such thing occurred. there was surveillance videotape footage of these boxes, which were secure ballot boxes being videotaped the entire time.

they were never tampered with. being misled to people of georgia and slight legislature. >> i'm sorry to jump in. the other thing driving the pace in georgia is the crime that we seem to know is being investigated, conspiracy and election fraud. it's actually just a simpler crime than the kinds of things we're talking about, the context of january six. we're talking about seditious conspiracy, conspiracy against the united states, so on. these are just complicated crumbs. seditious conspiracy has a charge, i believe, in the united states since 2011. it has been years since anyone has been charged with. >> which is a good thing. >> you don't want to tap into. >> this is true. this is true. what's happening in georgia is a little spin straightforward. it's not that surprising that they are further along and

we're out there. >> it's also, think about this -- when you're talking about politically speaking, i've heard oftentimes people think, you know, we never want to prosecute a former president. it would tear the country apart. all of these things. he didn't buy this notion about a cognitive division. politically comparable for -- some federal prosecution. my? you can't do anything about. this my hands are. tied it is the da in fulton county. if you are, me would be different. does that make a cleaner for him, politically, do you think? >> makes it easier. it's not gonna make the question go away on whether the federal government is going to do something. so, whether brings charges or doesn't bring charges, either way, it is going to be described as political. it has monumental, political consequences no matter when he decides. so, that gets back to my point about our special counsel may not be the perfect solution, but it is the best outcomes. >> the best outcome is charging former president with a crime and getting acquitted. you want to, sure if you're moving part of the charges , the

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thanks for watching. i will see you tomorrow night as part of cnn's live coverage. the january 6th select committee's primetime hearing. that starts at 7 pm eastern. now, don lemon tonight starts right now, of course. don lemon, hey. a, a little preview, we have more details on what exactly we will see tomorrow. adam schiff is going to talk to us and give us more details of what is happening. we will get to the. laura, i will see you tomorrow, friday -- >> sunday, i will see you. i will watch you