committee laying out damning new evidence and testimony detailing how the then president refused to do anything for more than three hours as armed rioters attacked our capital. i want to bring in cnn political commentator scott jennings. national security analyst julie it can, legal analysts with an s eliot morgan's and jennifer rogers. good evening, we need you guys tonight. we need you guys more than anything. we need you guys as well, sorry. [laughs] >> she looked at me like, wait a minute. i'm so glad you guys are all here. scott, one of the most shocking moments from tonight's hearing was when the secret service radio when it talks about pence's detail. as a scramble to get him into a secure location, listen and then we'll talk. >> oh -- there in the building. >> we're moving, we need to

move now. if we lose any more time, we may lose the ability to to leave. so forget to leave, we need to do it now. >> we've gained access to the second floor and i've got people about five feet for me here below. >> they are on the second floor, moving it now. we may want to consider getting out, leaving now. copy? >> we will make our way. >> rippey,. >> we need to make our way to the -- . >> six officers between us and the people that are 5 to 10 feet people away. >> i'm going down to evaluate, we have a clear shot if we move quickly. we've got smoke downstairs, unknown smoke downstairs. by the protesters. >> is that compromised? >> we have -- secure.

however, we have some protesters that are being compete contained. they're in smoke, unknown what kind of smoke it is. copy. >> clear, we're coming out now, all right. make the way. >> we saw that video, remember, the vice president of men taking them out of the video that's been shown since the beginning. that though, is several former trump white house staffers. so they were shocked, shocked listening to that. what's your reaction? he was seconds from being shot. >> i think we heard before about how many feet away he was, 40 feet. and that was a shocking number. and then you see this video tonight, and you also hear that the people on the vice presidents detail were calling back, asking to have their family notified that they may not make a get makeup. it gives you a sense of just how endangered they were. the danger they thought they were in. and you go back to the beginning of this, when a lot

of people were arguing, well, this was just a bunch of random tourists who wandered into the capital. it wasn't as bad as they made it out. listen to these radio transmissions. listen to the agents, and you tell me, to the sound like random wandering tourists to you? of course it wasn't. it is shocking is the right word. >> as you are listening to the radio transmission you heard some of the people saying, this is what we trained for, and so on and so forth. you've been saying this all along. this wasn't just a random -- . >> no. at first i thought it was important, we heard the fear. i don't think i heard fear before. how scared the secret service agents were, and well we have a lot to complain about about the secret service right now, obviously, i do want to remind people what horrible position they were in in that moment. they know that the mob is affiliated with -- supportive of the commander chief, the president united states. they are paid, this is their

job is to protect the vice president, so the idea that they could in some ways take on the mob or try to break through the mob or whatever. they are sitting there with almost no power to fight back. and i think people have to remember that. no one ever thought the secret service will be put in this position. are you choosing the president or the vice president? but that's exactly what the president put them through. >> that's right. >> and they can't. they're not authorized to do that. that's not in the rulebook, let's say. and it shouldn't be. >> she brought it up, so jennifer let's talk about it. when you hear news that this audio really hammers home, how important these text messages from the secret service are. you really need these text messages to get to the bottom of what happened. the committee also revealed some agents have gotten lawyers, they've lawyered up. how does this play for you, what do you think? >> well, we made if we name may never see those text messages because they may have been permanently deleted. so what we're waiting for now is an investigation that's happening at the dhs inspector

generals office, and what's interesting about that is, the dhs inspector general is a trump appointee. and had actually done some things fairly recently that, you know, we're looking for his little pro trump not as independent as we wanted inspectors general to be. and yet, here he is, now battling with the secret service. so finally doing his independent job here, trying to find out what happened with these text messages, because we need them for this really important, critical investigation that's going on. we'll have to see about that, but if they're gone, they're gone. we may never see those communications, and that's a real hole in this, just like the white house call logs, the lack of photographs, all of the records that are missing from that day that's a real gap in what we know. >> that's interesting, if they're gone, they're gone. is there any accountability? because it's like, well, we didn't see that you stole the money, but we know that you did, and that the money is gone, it's just gone. >> there isn't accountability, a number of things going on, number one, if anything is destroying or letting evidence

concealing evidence, of course, that's a crime, and you have to investigate that is a crime. but the bigger problem is that there is a failure of government that happened at the secret service. because they're not securing their data properly, like many law enforcement agencies, they just don't have a good data and information. as we're seeing here which we invited a problem like this. >> shouldn't be accountability? >> and it is accountability, it's congress. it's one of the january 6th committee, congress needs, probably four congressional committees, that can conduct oversight hearings. >> elliott, another committee? what does that do? what does that get us? >> but that's the way to do it. well, like i said, you can charge people with crimes if they tampered with the destroyed evidence. if there is a bigger problem, you have to rework the secret service, and the body that does that is congress. >> you get a new appointee, it's ridiculous. i don't understand why the white house is not putting an independent person in just saying, we're done. i get the congressional investigation over the texts,

but we've got vips to protect right now, the president, the vice president. i'm not getting why there's this, oh it's the secret service, we're gonna have our hands off. no. there are agents, they work for us. >> -- i think it was nick akerman who said, he was involved in watergate. and so, he says that there should be a special counsel and should do it soon, before trump declares, otherwise it's gonna be seen as political. >> that would be true to, in terms of an investigation of him and -- in terms of the secret service, there's going to be -- >> one that all be part of the secret service naturally? if there's a special -- >> why don't we just get up an appointee into the secret service who's not from this gang of people who are essentially, let's be honest here, deleting their texts. if this story is not making sense to me, get someone in there who's not from the secret

service, and protect the president president and vice president and all the others that they protect. >> to be clear, i'm not boring hearings with guys from think tanks telling how is fix our secret service apparatus, but the way the government works, is when you have a problem in law enforcement agency, you have to go in and fix it, and the way you fix it is by passing a law to give you a different new leaders. >> i'm gonna channel the officers who are involved who protected our capitol who said, michael fanone, who said earlier on the air, and i'll talk to him later, who says i want accountability. that means, somebody goes to jail. so, the former head of the secret service. or someone who is in charge of the secret service. or the people who job it was to re-maintain the information. nothing is going to happen to them, will that's what accountability would do. >> my brother, the first sentence that came out of my mouth was, if people broke the law, they gotta go to jail.

and they should. they ought to go to jail. but both things can and should happen. i worked in both congress and the justice department for a long time, 15 years total across both of them, so i kind of see it from both angles. and you have to have that criminal accountability, but also, fix the agency if there's a systemic problem. national security official who worked in the trump white house, testified with his identity concealed, because we was concerned about being -- concerned for his safety. testified that the white house knew there was weapons in the crowd the morning of january 6th. as a former homeland security official, this is for you juliet, wouldn't you make of that moment. >> i thought it was powerful in the sense of the vulnerabilities that were existing across the board, i think, on that day. this goes back to the fear factor. i think we have so focused on the loss side of the political side of january 6th, that were sort of forgetting, this was

really scary for a lot of people. and when it was saying to them was a secure national security aspect. i think the other thing that was interesting about having pottinger testify today, he comes from central casting in terms of working for the white house. i thought he was perfect, he finally says, i believed in trump, i believe in our policies, but this was too much. i thought was important is, he isn't reflections on this was saying to the world. in other words, this was not just about trump and the domestic politics, this was about how the world is perceiving us. we have a violent transfer of power in the united states of america. and people still aren't getting their heads around, it feels. like >> you're shaking your head in agreement, does it hit home for you? >> the rest of the world depends on the united states as an example for how this is supposed to work. in a western civilization. we look like a banana republic on that day. i think vibrating lee angry about it since it happened. we're supposed to be setting

the example for everyone else, this is what we do for the world. we show people how it's done, and we did not do it on that day. now, there are individuals who did it, mike pence again, deserves praise for who doing his job. we saw the video of mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer saying we have to get back in here as quickly as we can into the business of the people. that's how it supposed to work. the agent tour and the cops were doing their best to protect from this mob, but, it's clear, that some people believed, maybe donald trump, certainly people around him believed, that if you whipped up a big enough mob, it would have the impact of changing the minds of people in another branch of government. intimidating another branch of government into bending to your will. that's not what we do. it's not what we do. and so, what makes me angry about it, is the idea that the rest of the world now thinks maybe, well, in america they say they're the shining example of democracy in a republic, look what they really think. >> pottinger made that point,

which is that this kind of event happening in the united states actually emboldens our adversaries. for national security. >> it weakens our moral ability on the world stage to tell everybody else -- >> don't embarrass me in front of company moment for parents. and we got embarrassed in for the whole world. >> we love in america to election lecture others about human rights and democratic processes, since world war ii, we have been the stability of the world when it comes to instituting and setting an example for democratic processes. that's what we are. so when you weaken that, it changes who we are as america. as americans. and that's why this was such a terrible day. >> notice something that you said, you said maybe donald trump, after everything we've heard, why do you say maybe donald trump? >> look, i was pointed out, there is a big gap in the record about, no photographer allowed in their, exactly what he was doing well he's watching tv. i mean look, i will say, based on what i've seen, it appears to me, that he believed this

crowd would have the impact of changing or intimidating mike pence into breaking and causing enough members of congress and hesitating that it would put off what was going to happen that day, which was certifying the election. so, that's what i think the evidence shows. which i also think is a direct violation of his oath of office. we don't have a record of him saying that out loud. but it pretty clear he didn't have any interest in the people stopping, because, you can infer that he thought was gonna work. that it was gonna work. >> i think pottinger said, it proves to the world, that were a crumbling democracy or a decaying democracy democracy. >> it emboldens -- >> multiple firsthand witnesses trump said made no calls -- or armed rioters while they were storming the capitol, take a listen to this. >> so, are you aware of any phone call by the president of the united states to the secretary of defense that? >> not that i'm aware of, no. >> are you aware of any phone

call by the president of the united states the attorney general of the united states that? >> no. >> are you aware of any phone call by the president of the united states to the secretary of homeland security that? >> i'm not aware of that, no. >> did you ever hear the president ask for that? >> did you ever hear the president ask for law enforcement response? >> no. >> as somebody who worked in the national security space and national security council, is if there were going to be troops present or called up for a rally in washington d.c. for example, is that something that you would've been aware of? >> yes. i would've. >> do you know if you ask anybody to reach out to any of those that we just lifted off, national guard, d.o.d., fbi, homeland security, secret service capitol police? about the situation the capitol? >> i am not. aware of any of those requests.

no, sir. >> jennifer rodgers, he knew the risk, he did nothing. he didn't call on enforcement. but he called rudy giuliani. it is the dereliction of duty of which everyone has been speaking? >> well, it's the whole day. and i think the committee did a very good job of establishing this. he knew what they were there to do, he sent them there to do it, he knew it was happening at the time in realtime. he was urged by maybe a dozen or so people at least to do something about it, and he decided not to do anything about it. they made that point effectively. instead, as you say, he's calling rudy giuliani. who is intern calling senators to say, hey, where this gets back rolling, we still need your half. you've got to delay this for this. so they still have their eyes on the prize. >> this is the point that i was making, they thought it was going to work. you have the crowd, and then you have the coals. they thought it was going to work. >> the plan was still in action. >> maybe that's why he wanted

to go to the capitol, because everyone was telling him it's gonna work, and he was gonna look like the big hero. >> yeah, that's one way to think about dereliction, that it's okay, he did not actively protect congress. but i thought they were effective it today was showing how the silence, that three hours, was interpreted by the crowd. they had that little snippet were the guys saying, well, he didn't sit don't kill congressman, he said don't kill police? his followers, this is how radicalization works, they are hearing the silence. the silence is inciting them. he goes into hiding, we have no pictures, no evidence of what he said, him being trump, and that's when they realized, he's not telling us no. and that is the incitement as well. >> next, one of the hero officers detained defended the night and states capital as mob of reuters -- he weighs in on what you heard tonight. president trump did not fail to act in the 187 minutes between leaving the ellipse and telling

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back now with our special coverage of tonight's primetime january six committee the committee says that former president trump did not call any military or law enforcement officials while the capital was under attack. joining me now, cnn law enforcement analyst, michael fanone. he was serving in the metropolitan portman on january 6th, he was attacked, beaten and tased by the mob at the capitol. mike, thanks for joining us. president trump knew within 15 minutes after leaving the ellipse that rioters had breached the capitol. he didn't call law enforcement officials to help stop it. you all were left to fend for yourselves, what's your reaction to that? >> i think tonight's hearing, although i've heard that there may be some additional hearings coming up in september, i thought it was kind of the

icing on the cake. those of us in the industry, we used to say, when you're building a criminal case, you're baking a cake. and the select committee has baked quite a cake for donald trump. i mean, yes, it's important to hear about his thoughts or lack thereof during those hundred and 87 minutes that he didn't do a thing well hundreds of police officers were fighting for their lives at the capitol, against violence insurrectionist that he assembled to the capitol that night. but i think that what the committee has done an excellent job of showing us, is that donald trump is a plague on our democracy. >> and liz cheney said as much, saying that he should not -- he should never be allowed to run this country again.

>> i understand that, and i get the fact that this committee's made up of members of congress, and they have legislative agenda, but they're also looking at a political co-accountability for donald trump. political accountability is not enough for me. and it's not enough for many americans, it's certainly not enough for the police officers who fought to defend the capitol that day. i'm looking for criminal accountability. it's very clear to those rational minded americans, that donald trump broke laws. that members of his what's the word i'm looking for, administration, broke laws. there should be a grand jury convened, they should be investigated, and if they're indicted, they should be tried. and they should suffer the consequences of their actions. >> do you think donald trump should face criminal

consequences? just want to be clear. >> absolutely. that's the only type of accountability that i'm looking for. he broke the law, he should suffer the consequences of breaking the law. >> do you think even members of congress who you are protecting that day, our elected officials, do you put them in that same category? >> absolutely. it's clear to me, that there were members of congress who were aiding and abetting in this seditious conspiracy. >> mike, i want to ask you about sergeant mark robinson and retired member of the metropolitan police department who you know testified to the committee that trump was adamant about going to the capitol. he was part of trump's motorcade that day. what did you think of his testimony? >> i thought it was compelling. i knew mark, he was actually my class officer way back when. before he was promoted to sergeant. but i've always known him to be

good police. i've served with him from time to time when he was assigned to the first district before he went over to special operations division. >> an unnamed officer told the committee that gop senator josh hawley's fist pump outside the capitol riled up the crowd outside that day. listen to this. >> as you can see in this photo, he raised his fist in solidarity with the protesters. already amassing at the security gates. we spoke with the capitol police officer who was out there at the time. she told us that senator hawley's gesture riled up the crowd. and it bothered her greatly. because he was doing it in a safe space. protected by the officers and the barriers. later that day, senator hawley fled after those protesters he helped to rile up stormed the capitol. see for yourself.

>> so, he's running away, right? he's out there fist pumping, then your running inside the capitol to try and protect the people. inside of the capital. after he does this fist pump like he's so brave and so strong, what did you think of the? >> i thought he ran like a coward, like many people in trump world, he performs when he's in front of a camera, and he acts very differently when he is not. >> don't you think that is a lot of the people who did similar, who voted not to certify the election, who are still denying that it was an insurrection, or that there was -- that the election was, you know, fair? do you have that same sentiment about them, because they did similar things. >> absolutely.

i draw the parallel sometimes when i talk about donald trump. and his relationship to vince mcmahon. who, if you're not familiar with the wonderful world of wrestling, which i am from a youth, donald trump kind of brought them vince mcmahon playbook into his world of politics, and that, you have these individuals like audrey taylor greene and josh hawley, that play a character and behave a certain way in front of the camera, because they know it draws attention and they know that there are a lot of americans out there that react to that, unfortunately, in a positive way. >> well, as we call it down south, all hat and no cattle, all style and no substance. thank you, we appreciate what you did with what you did for a somewhat you're doing for us here on cnn cnn as well. thank you. >> thank you. >> the january 6th committee

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>> we are back now with -- molly williams, and jennifer rodgers. so, scott, i want you to look at this. we have heard how trump was in the dining room the whole time, watch. >> at 1:25, president trump went to the private dining room off the oval office. from 1:25 until 4:00, the president stayed in his dining room. just to give you a sense of where the -- west wing, let's take a look at this floor plan. the dining room is connected to an oval office by short hallway, with this is told us that on january 6th the president trump sat in his usual spot, at the head of the table facing a

television hanging on the wall. we know from the employees, the tv was tuned to fox news all afternoon. here you can see fox news on the tv show in coverage of the joint session that was airing that day at 1:25. other witnesses confirmed that president trump was in the dining room with the tv on for more than two and a half hours. there is no official record of what president trump did while in the dining room. >> and cipollone talked about how easy it would have, been scott, for him to walk over to the press briefing room and taking him 60 seconds according to sarah matthews, it could've made an adjusted the american people. he did not do it. why did he not do it? >> yeah, well, i mean, there's a gap in the record here, but you could infer from his inaction that he thought his plan was working, or that it might work. the mob might actually break mike pence, or break the u.s. congress. not only was he sitting, there but we also know from the record many people were texting

to people around him, saying you have to go. >> you think he was actually sitting there and saying what mike pence does, this i will go and -- wait, mike, what are you doing? >> how else would interpret this? there is a mob of people going to the capitol, and they were not going up there just to make their voices heard. there was a desired outcome, the outcome was interruption of what the congress had to do that night. or that day, and while it was unfolding, there was a reasonable chance that they might not have been able to go -- >> he just needed time, that is what -- what trump needed, and what he did not get was enough time to make enough confusion so that people go to bed on the night of january 6th without -- >> that is why i'm saying, and he sitting here saying mike pence you are screwing it up. >> remember, he tweeted --

>> in other words for trump, the confusion that he wanted on january 7th, he had it from there, right? that he has fox news to support, him and all of the congress people fold and everything, he just has time on his side. he goes back to georgia, he has the electorate to switch. all he needed to make sure was one thing did not happen, the rest of, it it is chaos to him. he does not care. >> what i'm saying, what was the, ranch was it mike pence? >> this is why it was so vital, and i'm glad the committee showed this video that the congressional leaders said we have got to go back in tonight, we have got to do the peoples business tonight. if they go into bed on finish, you lose that january six. and so, mitch mcconnell, chuck schumer, the leadership of the congress, knowing they had to get back as soon as possible to finish it a vital moment. so as much as pence did his job, i think the congressional leaders deserve credit for doing theirs. >> jennifer rodgers, listen to

people closer to trump, watch. >> so i heard my phone ringing, i turned the shower off, i saw was leader mccarthy who i had a good relationship with. he told me it was getting really ugly at the capitol, he said please, anything you can do to help i would appreciate it. i do not recall specific, just anything you could do. i got the sense that they were, you know they were scared. >> they meaning mr. mccarthy and people on the hill because of the violence? >> he was scared, yes. >> as you can see, don junior's first text mr. meadows at 2:53. he wrote, he has got to condemn this -- asap. the capitol police tweeted is not enough. mr. meadows replied, i'm pushing hard, i agree. don jr. responded, this is when you go to the mattresses on, they will try to -- his entire legacy if this -- gets worse.

here's what don junior told cnn by go to the mattresses. >> it is 58 when you say that he mr. meadows needs to go to the mattresses, on this issue, when you say go to the mattresses, what does that mean? >> just a reference or going all in. it is a godfather reference. >> but this election is now congress has certified the results. i do know is that the election is over, i just want to say congress has certified the results. so the election is over. okay? >> but congress -- >> yeah. right. let me see. >> what does it say when you watch that? but what does it also say that no one could get through to him? >> well, i think to scott's point, he is not reachable on purpose, because he has one play left, and it is to see if his plan works, if you can get the stopped, then he has a

chance, otherwise he's done. then i think what the committee did, hear and on effectively throughout these hearings is really hammer home the point that the people closest to him, his close allies are the ones who are now testifying against him, right? they're not using democrats, they're not using independence, they're using, republicans conservative republicans and his own family. everybody wanted him to stop the rioters, except him. that is a point. >> and so, i mean, after, while don't you just say, okay, the changes up, it is so weird. it is just so bizarre to me. >> look, if it were rational behavior, now to be clear, we talk about the election of duty earlier, and that is actually not a crime. what is important to know, is that this should be disqualifying for anyone who holds high office, and when he was impeached the second time, he should have been either removed from office, or barred from holding future office again. now there are crimes that you

could maybe investigate and charge here, when you talk about getting mike pence obstructing congress or a congressional proceeding, yet you could charge a crime, there but this should be, i think we are getting so caught up in this question of where the crime is, and so on. you just want to step back and say, this is just quarrel and a train wreck inside of a dumpster fire. it should never happen in the united states. >> it is horrible, but elliott, think about what we said at the beginning about our coverage. we think about why the president was doing this is all about the 187 minutes, we think about what was happening in those 187 minutes, right. there were people, some who are trying -- to police officers, one of them a police officer died, later, the next day, the officers were being attacked. michael now works is no longer law enforcement because of the issues that he's dealing with.

there were people who desiccated in the capital, smeared on the walls. it sounds disgusting, but that is the truth. urinating. they were using flagpoles, trump flags, american flags to beat police officers. they were breaking windows, stealing people, selling things out of peoples office in those 187 minutes. to me it sounds so clinical when you state 187 minutes, you didn't hear anything interesting about what was happening in those minutes. >> bear spray, literal bear spray used on to police. >> that is not criminal? >> well, for the people using the, spray absolutely this criminal. the question is, can you tie that to the guy sitting at the white house, watching on television? you may not be able to tie that specific act. now, again, you have the obstruction of congress, the obstruction of government proceedings. there are other things you might be able to charge, with absolutely it is criminal, and that is why 100 or however many people have already been charged. >> does this give an offer to

people? >> we talked a couple weeks ago about, this i told you, i thought i was sensing some weakening, there's been some polling that has come in the last couple of weeks, of course it has weakened him. >> enough to make him a non-player? >> well, we don't know that. he's not going to be a non-player. >> i just -- >> i don't think he's going to, run but go on. >> interesting, i think he will. i think that today, he would be the favorite. however, it is quite clear that if we analyze republican party over last several years, trump republicans and never trumpers which is more than a republican, but there is an emerging third group of people who voted twice, give him, money knocked on doors, wanted him to succeed who i think no we cannot put the country through this again, i want all the fight and spunk and whatever you get out of trump, but i don't want to re-litigate 2020, and i do not want to put the country through this again. that group is growing, right now they are like desantis, i don't think he will be the main guy. but they like desantis right

now. that group is growing, whether it is enough to open, him i do not know, but it exists. >> but what about the group that is emboldened by this? it just seems -- like >> i think it is actually the opposite, i think the -- politically, we don't know yet. if you look at it from a counter-terrorism, a counter insurgency, counter vitalization, these have been brilliant. they have isolated trump, they have met with the crazies, with the violent people, and they have made it clear that res publica republicans, all the people testifying against them have turned on him. his own people have turned on him, and so i thought it was interesting that cheney's first line at the beginning was the dam has begun to break, you do not, you will not be the first one but you do not want to be the last one. >> we are the maga movement, we are bigger than the white house. they are trying to get me, -- and that will be his excuse.

he only has to save face with that 30%, and the die hards. he does not care about the other folks. >> that is how our primary works. the republican primary is a winner takes all system. you can do a state with a candidate and 12 others, and with -- >> we are bigger and better than being in the white house, our movement is stronger and we can actually help to shape policy. >> you are saying that is the argument for not running? >> yeah. >> wow. >> thank you. missing records in a -- no i'm not talking about watergate, but you know what, you know what they say, history may not repeat itself but it often does. this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a a wealth plan that covers everythingng that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fifidelity advisr looking at your full financncial pictur. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward.

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presidential story and former director of the nixon presidential library tin if tally. timothy naftali. thank you, it's been a while since we've seen each other in person. >> thank you, how are you. >> thank you so much for joining us. just like the watergate investigation and i talked to john dean about this, and others, he had the missing tapes, this investigation has missing white house call logs, diary entries on the sixth, the committee filled in some of that, but the gaps themselves are they indicative of anything? >> well, first thing is, these hearings are very different from the watergate hearings. these are this is a 21st century hearing. the narrative is clear. the chair in the vice chair and the other members are driving home a series of points. they are using interviews, clips, like footnotes. they already know the topics

since, they know the narrative. since i was a kid, i remembered the senate watergate hearings, they were so confusing. and you know what's? it was a series of revelations, one after the other, but no one knew how to pull them together. senator urban, howard baker the chair and vice chair, they didn't know where this thing is gonna lead. >> i know what you're saying, there are similarities in the tapes and their parts of the missing tapes, i get what you're saying. >> here's the cool thing, though, about being in the 21st century. i think it's a little bit harder to hide. for example, the secret service communications. i can't believe that they're all unrecoverable. i just can't believe that. the one difference, of course, is that donald trump did not tape his oval office conversations. so he didn't have those to erase. but tonight -- >> is that why he wasn't an oval office, any scent there -- >> i wish they were tapes.

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>> i've been cnn world headquarters in atlanta, welcome to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada, and around the world. i'm kim brunhuber, this is cnn's. coming, up damning new revelations during primetime testimony, we are learning details about donald trump's refusal to call off riders from more than three hours on the u.s. capitol ingenuous x. joe biden in isolation after testing positive for covid, what