and i cry. because it was all done to us. all of us. but it's going to stop now. it is. >> you believe that? >> i'm breaking the cycle with my great grandchildren. >> all based in ottawa it says it approves the pope's apology and wants concrete actions to promote the schools history. with the turnover to don. >> very good report. thank you, i'll see you tomorrow evening. this is don lemon tonight. we've got a lot more news on january 6th on the investigation and tonight we are learning that to top aide to the former vice president, mike pence, testified last week in the doj's criminal investigation january 6th. and the efforts to overturn our free and fair election. marc short, who was chief of staff to then vice president mike pence, confirming to cnn

that he testified on friday in front of a d.c. grand jury. the new york times in the wall street journal reporting that -- general counsel has also testified. and what we are hearing, from the january 6th, now maybe an even bigger deal. even more damning. and what they showed us last week. and their final hearing until september. you remember the shortest then president of the united states, donald trump, the day after supporters attacked the capitol. hunted lawmakers in the halls. beat police within an inch of their lives. the day after all of that. they showed us how he absolutely refused to say the election is over. now, the committee is showing us more about what donald trump refused to say. even after his top advisors and his own family begged him, the committee releasing a never before seen exhibit today. i'm going to play for you, here it is, in its entirety. >> i'm not sure when those conversations began because they could've started early the next morning. but i believe they started that

evening, on the evening of the sixth. >> i thought we should give the statement of the seventh. and, obviously, move forward on transition. >> i sat with her, i spoke to miller about trying to put together some draft remarks for jen seventh. that we are going to present to the president to try to say we felt like it was important further call for de-escalation. >> from what i understood at the time, and from what the reports were coming in, there's a large concern of the 25th amendment being invoked. and they were concerned about what would happen in the senate. if it was the 25th. so the primary reason that i heard other than, we did not do enough on the six we need to get a stronger message out there and condemn this, otherwise this will be our legacy. the second areas into this was think about what might happen in the final 15 days of your

presidency. we if we don't do this. there's already talk about evoking the 25th amendment. >> do you recognize what this is? >> it looks like a copy of a draft of the remarks for that day. >> and as you can see throughout the document, there are lines crossed out, there are some words had it in. do you recognize the handwriting? >> it looks like my father's handwriting. >> in my view, he needs to express very clearly that the people made a violent act, went in the capital, did what they did, should be prosecuted, i should be arrested. >> looks like here that he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure all

lawbreakers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. we must send a clear message, not with mercy, but with justice. legal consequences must be swift and firm. do you know why he wanted that crossed out? >> i do not know. >> that needed to be stated. they did not represent him or or his political views. in any form or fashion. >> he also crossed out, i want to be very clear, you do not represent me. you do not represent our movement. do you know why he crossed that language out of the statement? >> i do not know. >> can you describe a little bit more for me about what mr. kushner was asking you to do? >> i don't remember it was a video message or a speech was going to give, or something. but i know people were decided what he should say or what he should do. and then he knew since i'm always with him that, hey, if

you asked your opinion try to nudge this along. this will help everything cool down. so that's what i did. >> nudged along and what way? >> to make sure he delivers the speech, or whatever it was. i do remember pose a video or a speech or something. it was within a few days after january 6th. >> was the implication of the president was in some ways were locked in to give that speech? >> yes. >> okay, what do you base that on? >> the fact that somebody has to tell me to nudge it along. >> there are other things across that if you look at that to. -- you will pay. that was one that said you belong to jail. someone crossed that out as well. think about what he refused to say though. when he crossed out. he refused to say he was sickened by the violence, he crossed the part about prosecute the people who broke the law that they. he also crossed out, i want to be very clear you do not represent me and you do not represent our movement, he crossed that out.

what does that say? for people who say this doesn't represent our party. what's he didn't say, but he refused to say, tells you everything you need to know. this is what the committee is leaving on the table. you can see why they need more hearings in the fall. committee members now saying that they may even continue their work after election day. so stay tuned. john dean is here. he is the former white house counsel to the nixon white house and cnn global affairs analyst, susan glasser which joins us as well. good evening both of, you thanks for joining us. john, you first. that video is something else, as they say. seeing trump's reluctance to condemn the violence the day after the insurrection plus the handwriting edits. and plus what everybody else was saying that he should do because of what it would do to his reputation and his legacy. what does the show about trump's feelings towards the insurrectionist and how damning is this new evidence, in your

eyes? >> well it shows the insurrectionists were doing exactly what he wanted. it had played out exactly as he probably assumed it would. from early. i think this is part of the planning. this was part of the mechanics of how the process would work. that they would scare the vice president and to the action that they wanted, or disrupt the action and prevent him from being able to carried out. there is obviously, he has no remorse about it. no concern that he was harming people. and this was nothing short of a riot. and he knew that was going to happen. with armed people. so, this is about a clear statement as what was in his head immediately after he knew what had happened as you can find. >> you think this tells you about his mindset on that? >> yes it does. >> susan, it shouldn't be hard for any u.s. president to condemn an attack on our democracy. and yet, for trump, it is.

these were his supporters. >> that's right don. i was just thinking, how difficult is it to say, like i condemn the right and people who did violence to our capitol should go to jail. i mean, that really is not a controversial statement unless you are on the side of the riders and the insurrectionists. but, you know, i think the point is. remember the testimony they played the other day at the hearing. trump, in that same speech as they were taping it, he also said i don't want to say the election is over. yesterday is a hard day for me. he literally, even after everything, even with a shattered glass of the u.s. capital. this is all been crystal clear though for a long time. i think we are feeling in the details, don. but is this any of this evidence uprising in some way to? >> no. it is not surprising at all. but just to see it. i think is important for us to see it into report on it.

but to me, personally, having report on donald trump for seven years now. sitting at this desk. no, it is not surprising to me. it makes sense why the committee needs more hearings. i mean, they have a lot of unfinished business. >> yeah, they have said that they will release the full depositions. they've conducted more than 1000 interviews. i think it's really important for the historical record. i think discussing a report or possibly doing an interim report. and then a final report. but i do think it is very important to see all the evidence laid out in its entirely. we have seen very polished and edited excerpts if you will. in these hearings. of the depositions that they've had and the testimony. i think it is important to get the full historical record. remember, we are already more than a year and a half away. we are now hard up against the midterm election. >> this came to a surprise as many, if not anyone.

the former chief of staff, marc short, said he testified before a federal grand jury. now the new york journal reporting that defensive tierney, mark, jacob also testified. we are talking about two very high-profile witnesses here. why now? what does this say about where this federal investigation is headed? >> well it tells me that the department of justice has been doing a good bit of work with this grand jury. to get up to witnesses at that level. there's been a lot of ground late before they brought them in. they didn't just pop them in the grand jury. they have been interviewed, probably, weeks if not months earlier. and anticipation of the grand jury. that is the norm. these aren't targets, these are witnesses. and i found it interesting that marc short was spotted and probably revealed greg jacobs as a result of that. by waiting into the crowd for the bannon trial. he is sophisticated he knew exactly what he was doing.

he wasn't trying to hide the fact that he had been in the jury. he obviously had some chat or reporters. if not, greg jacobs as well. so they're getting at the stage where you had adversarial witnesses who may talk. and we will learn a lot more about what the investigation is doing in this direction. >> we have some very significant to chat with the cnn supporter, we're talking to erin burnett, real talk about that later remain some significant comments. susan, we have seen so much movement with the 16 committee and the committee in georgia. that's a scene with the federal investigation is picking up? >> you know, punditry about the grand jury is a dangerous game, don. i would say that it is clearly the significant to be interviewing marc short and greg jacobs, because they are very important witnesses who directly sought the pressure campaign that donald trump mounted on his own vice president, mike pence. by some accounts, it is

interesting to see when we ultimately find out what marc short testified, that he has told others that pence dozens of times made clear on his advisers that he was not going to go along with trump's, frankly, harebrained scheme. this idea, this notion those being cross on pence and the days before january 6th. he essentially would single-handedly have the power to stop the results, certifying joe biden from being finalized. so the question is, for me, if pence again and again made clear to donald trump that he wasn't going along with it. why did trump persist? even into january 6th itself. and his speech. he just got off to phone with mike pence who again told him i am not going along with it. it is really a remarkable set of circumstances and complicated legally because something like this has never been charged about former president. >> the fact that there is no

hoopla about it. we didn't get any executive privilege and all that. and they did. they just went in and did their job and they spoke to the grand jury and left. susan i just want to play more, this is what we heard from president biden slamming trump today for failing to respond on january 6th. >> and for three hours, the defeated president the former united states what should all happen. as he sat in the comfort of the private dining room next to the oval office. while he was doing that, brave law enforcement officers subject to the immediate help for three hours. face to face with crazed mob, that believe the lies the defeated president. the police were heroes that. they donald trump lack the courage to act. >> you can hear the scratcher voice there, obviously recovering from covid. that's the first and i notice. but when you think about biden laying into trump like that and showing that contrast between law enforcement and former president? >> well, it is interesting, it

is probably a sign of the effectiveness of the january six committee and putting this facts at which is already note back in front of the president. in fact president biden has been reluctant to take a punch at donald trump in to bring up january six. he has left a committee largely to do his business. i think it is a sign that there are many in biden's own party who are hoping he would come out tweeting morgantown with trump and it is important to note that trump will act should be back in washington d.c. for the first time since he left it. so let's just say, ungraciously. for a speech tomorrow. i do think the timing suggest that biden wanted to make that point before donald trump was back here in washington d.c.. >> tom, why are you shaking your head? what's the deal? >> i'm just thinking she's nailing it bang on, as susan always. does >> he's gonna be back --

unceremoniously, the american people told him to leave. john, the 16 committee is sharpening their focus on the circumstance -- secret service. they are just scratching the surface when it comes to uncovering what was behind the missing texts. how important is it that they get to the bottom of that? >> i guess very important. it's important not only for this investigation that they find out if there is data that is somewhere to be retrieved, or if there's something more going on that would suggest the reason they had maybe intentionally erased this material. i think that's key. but the fact that it's turned criminal is very telling. that this agency itself believes it's serious and that its own life might be at stake and what's going on here. >> thank you, john thank you susan, i really appreciated. i'll see you guys soon. the january six committee maybe setting its sights on right-wing activists jenny

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mike pence's aides are testifying in the january 6th godzilla committee, that's how they're weighing to subpoena right-wing activist the wife of justice clarence thomas. i'm joined by john avlon, and elliott williams. and, you know, i took a pause. good evening to both of. you i took a pause when i was talking about her because she is a right-wing activist. that is the truth, that is it's fair to call her. that i hate to say that about a sitting supreme justice's wife, but that's how it. is in addition to mark short, another pence aide testified before a grand jury court. they -- overturn the election, correct? >> they most certainly would.

but it's really interesting don to see, just a week ago, if you remember the attorney general last week, what's going, on why isn't the justice department working faster, why aren't you getting left by the january six committee, and the general give applied to, nobody is above the law, we will go after everybody. and with sort of unsatisfying. it was a platitude. it was just a basic truth, right? the simple fact is, at that moment, there was a grand jury, we are probably talking to mark short or greg jacob. the chief of staff or council of the vice president of the united states. the simple fact is the justice department is at least we -- has an open investigation. >> for now. but why did this happen in the january six committee you would -- think >> this does not materialize like a clam shell in the ocean.

i'm telling. you and john dean, like you said a little earlier, this must of been in the works for weeks if not months. >> you think it coincides? >> i really do. it's having worked on this for a long time. and i don't think the attorney general got angry one day and wanted to bring in mike pence's chief of staff. >> i'm embarrassed by what the committee is. doing so, the committee has already -- mark meadows urging him to fight to overturn the 2020 election. how hard should they pursue her testimony do you think? >> hard depending on what they believe she has to -- shine the text between ginni thomas and mark meadows, it's widely disconnected from reality. as part of the puzzle, here i mean this is by all accounts a

conservative activists, where in the context of overturning the election played and lead role as a cheerleader, leveraging -- in ways that were disconnected from reality. facing conspiracy theories, and also emailing legislators that we're trying to overlook turn to the election. that's where i think the -- >> why is this being allowed to happen? shouldn't ginni thomas realize, and clarence thomas, he is a sitting supreme court justice. should he sat down with his wife and they have a conversation to stop it? come on! >> guardrails. we >> it's ridiculous that this is happening in our country. >> it, isn't in the, past this sort of comment, since common decency was assumed. supreme court justice, with power comes responsibility, everyone has their opinion, but if you were the supreme court justices immediate family, you

had to rein it in a little bit, out of respect for the role he's played. those guardrails are gone, it's a function of the way the hyper partisanship and polarization is made is crazy acai. >> isn't that a function that people will just, as you said, there's no guardrails, but they just do what they want to do and there are no consequences for it? >> it's particularly ironic with someone from a conservative position. but it's the absence of guardrails. >> elliott? >> oh, don, i've written about the thomas is toys for cnn opinion. this is bad and destroying the reputation of the supreme court where the public already has a low opinion of the supreme court. shot to come in as a witness. and one of the things she said repeatedly is clearance and i don't talk about work at home and you know, and i know, and avalon knows that that is nonsense. all of us who have partners know that you just can't leave these things at home. so number, one it's bad for the, court and number two, it's

import for the committee. and most witnesses come in and figure out a way to negotiate the terms. if that cipollone, and the guy was a white house counsel's senior staffer to the president, and his attorney for the white house, can you figure out a way to come and testify, then ginni thomas, this outside third-party all to be able to negotiate something in common. it is nonsense, and it's ruining her reputation in the institution. that's already losing a lot of its standing on the american public. >> i want to turn to what is happening in fulton county down in georgia where the da, fani willis, was told by a judge today that she cannot make a fake elector and state senator burr drones a target of her investigation because he willis funded a fund-raiser for his opponent who is georgia lieutenant governor's race. >> right, we're talking about common sense and -- if you want to be the da of fulton county, and you want to

-- you have to put partisan politics aside. i know that these are partisan races for da, but you have to have herself to higher standard, because otherwise, judges will, say no you cannot make these person -- you can't subpoena them, even if there was this evidence of an elector. spot it's not a killer case, but it causes you to question the judgment. you have to hold or self to a higher standard. that includes not subpoenaed people who you campaigned actively against. >> when i see da's elliott, or anyone who's in that capacity, outdoing whip artists in any kind of things, i think it lowers their accountability. i think people should hold themselves to a different level. >> however, don, the overwhelming majority of district attorneys across the united states, i will say it's upwards of 90%, are elected and partisan elections. so, it's the norm in america

that you have people who are elected officials, who are also supposed to set aside, and it just doesn't make sense. it's this weird gray area. >> you shouldn't drop the hammer on people, it's harder to drop the hammer on people if you're holding a fund-raiser for the person subpoenaing you. >> taken to the extreme, does that mean that only endeavor kratz can investigate democrats, or vice versa? i just don't know how you get this to be workable when you have elected officials as prosecutors. i will say this, don, i'd say the judge almost gave her dinner favor by getting her off the case, because if he's indicted, it will be by another prosecutor who does it, like her deputy or another office. it takes away the stench of politics and maybe it's not a bad thing to -- i'm with you both on this. it's just not looking good. >> what should we just give him the last word, john? >> you want to take it? >> no, no. three words. equal justice under law.

>> oh yeah. >> also, a little bit of fairness and decency. >> oh my gosh. >> come on now. come on! >> thank you jen's. >> just hearing america the beautiful in the flag where waving. behind >> me thank you. the white house trying to downplay appears over such, and both several columnist are expecting, including the -- larry summers, there he is! he is going to join me. let's see if he can have illustrate. i will see you after the break, larry.

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economy ahead. attended data, including the latest inflation numbers as well as second quarter gdp growth is expected in the next few days. some economists are predicting that gdp shrank again last quarter. racing bears at the u.s. is going into a recession. the white house is pushing back. >> we are not gonna be in a recession. in my view. my hope is that we go from this rapid growth to a steady growth. and so we will see some coming down. but i don't think we are going to be going up. i don't think we're going to see a recession. >> i'm not saying we will definitely avoid a recession. but i think there is a path that keeps the labor market strong and brings inflation down. >> certainly terms of the technical definition, it is not a recession. >> all right, larry summers is, where he's a former treasury secretary. hey larry, thanks for joining us. i know that you disagree with these white house officials. you think we are headed into a

recession? correct >> imparted disagree and in part i agree. >> let's be clear, whatever thursday's number is. even if it shows some kind of small negative gdp growth. i think the overwhelming weight of the evidence is that we are not in a recession now. the negative gdp is in a sense misleading. people spent a lot of money so inventories got drawn down. that is a sign of strength. not a sign of weakness. whatever the gdp numbers show. i do think that over the medium term the great likelihood is that we will have a recession. because when we have an economy as overheated as the economy that we have. that has been the almost universal and historical experience. i think the chances of achieving that soft landing with steady labor market

strength. it could happen but i don't think it is the best bet. i think increasingly that is the judgment that is being reflected in markets. but to be clear, it is a forward-looking judgment. the white house is right. and saying that whatever the thursday gdp number it doesn't look like we're in a recession right now. >> okay so do not think that the white house is moving a goalposts of a recession actually is? >> no i i have overtime -- >> let me get the south you can answer. generally, it's the product is two quarters of negative gdp growth? >> i'm sorry don. don, that is a rule of thumb that has been used to approximate the much broader concept, which is an across the board downdraft in economic

activity. but it is not, it is not the formal definition. it is not what the national bureau of economic research or the economic profession use. so i've been plenty critical of the administration about a variety of things. but they are not moving the goalposts here. when they say that whatever happens on thursday's number it doesn't prove that we're in a recession. frankly, the people who are saying that are politically oriented people who know better. i say that is someone who is no optimists about the u.s. economy. i do think we will get to recession but the. claim that we are in one in thursday's number is negative is one that is made by people who are either ignorant of economics, or i think more frequently looking to make political points. >> i'm glad you said that. thank you for clearing find

that larry. let's talk about americans are feeling. 64% of americans feel like the economy is in recession. that's according to cnn's latest poll. i understand we are seeing. you are saying that is technically not so. your hair a lot of spin in fancy definitions but two people feel this recession why not just tell them, you know, what is really happening? i guess we are talking about really is happening but they just don't feel. it they feel like there is a recession. >> look, we can argue about the semantics. people feel bad because the purchasing power of what they are earning has gone down. the reason the purchasing power of with the earning has gone down is that we had 9.1% inflation. that is a lot faster in people's paychecks are rising. and the reason that's happened is that policy makers made mistakes. in 2021 they kept speeding even

as the yellow light was on. and that's why we are now at more risk of a very difficult situation. so people are right to say that they are hurting but if we want to have a durable cure to the herding but we have to do is address those very high rates of inflation. there is some things the administration could do. like what they did with the strategic petroleum reserves. but they're hoping to do with pharmaceutical price productions. what i've urged in terms of kerik reductions. more emphasis on the government buying things inexpensive bleak. but monetary policy and how much money we are printing is ultimately going to be very important for that rate of inflation. i think it is that rate of

inflation that is at the center of why there is so much this stress. that's why i am glad that chairman powell, relatedly, very belatedly. is making bringing down inflation his central priority. i think we have to kick this inflation or things are gonna get that much more worse. >> larry will ask you it is important question. larry, it sounds odd, but there's also a generational feeling or experience about this. older merchant have gone through this again. who have seen higher mortgage rates. we have seen higher gas prices. they feel a different way about what is happening in the economy, quite frankly, some of my parents page would say that you guys have just gotten used to it for so long being so good. you don't remember how things used to be. i had a 10% --

just paraphrasing here. i had a 10% mortgage rate or we pay this autumn out for gas prices. you know, adjusting for inflation, and they are pretty high. do you understand what i mean? there is a generational disk difference about what is happening with our economy that younger people may feel differently than older people. >> i think that is right. look, don, when i -- i'm hardly someone who anybody should ever feel sorry for. but when i got my job at harvard. harvard offered me a 9% mortgage. and i thought that was a fantastic perk. because the mortgage rate at that time was 13%. in the markets. so yeah, there is stuff that happened 40 years ago that most people don't remember. i think a lot of it, generationally, has to do with what's happening with house

prices. if you buy your house 15 years ago it is been a fantastic source of wealth accumulation. if you don't yet have your house or you don't have your condo or whatever it is. then you are seeing them all go up. and that is feeling more and more out of reach. that is why i think, for the medium term, we've got to work on housing affordability. it is a crucial issue for potential home owners can our country. >> you're right. people are either rent poor, they can't make enough money to put it down payment does it cost so much. all right thank, you appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> multiple shooters across several major cities this weekend. that's excessive heat have something to do with it? we will discuss, next. having a good time. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what t i brought!

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high crime rates, today, over 40 million people are under heat alerts in the u.s., following weeks long and weeks long keep to wave that has so far impacted a lot of americans, and while temperatures were rising, so was. crime so looking at crime rates from last week, compared to the same week a week ago, in new york, violent crime is up 22%, in chicago, 16%. but our heat and crime connected? i know it sounds odd. but let's discuss. we're gonna talk to ron johnson, the missouri highway control, and the president of the triage response team at the center for policing, equity. i am glad to have you both. and i know that crime usually goes up in the summer months, because people go out, but see with the high temperature. what that means. good evening, gentlemen. hunts, use first. what is the relation between crime and the summer, and what does he have to do with? that >> i think the answer is

complicated, but i think there certainly a relationship between heat and rising temperatures, and violent crime, that's in a myriad of ways. but what's important to note is it is a confluence of other factors. so violence on its face is more likely in areas with us opportunities, will relations with racism, and where people are generally oppressed. the same is true for when violence is concentrate because of heat. when you combine all those factors, lack of investment in communities, that creates or allows for violence to get to cause -- to spike in these neighborhoods. notably, we're not talking about violence that break out in the suburbs, but it's important to note where it causes a concentration of violence, and we have to talk

about the impact of heat and violence in our cities. >> brian, this is 2019 study from the university of southern california that found that in los angeles where the temperature was above 85 degrees, crime increased. do the police change at all when the season changed? >> they don't really change, and we know that crime does go up, and violent crime goes up, so aware of that. we do try to target those times when we see those crime trends go up, we might put more manpower out there. but historically, yes, when it's hot, crime goes up. when the crime grows out, as the gentleman said, we see a difference between urban areas and suburban areas, but we also see a rise in suburban areas also. >> so hands, let's go back to something, said you said that a lot of crime increases could be attributed to opportunity.

how big a factor is it? >> we know america has a gun problem, all these issues, crime, poverty, gun access, et cetera. but we know the solution to these problems, what is typically said is we will put more police there. we will flood those areas with more police officers. i think we are past. that 2022, there's a couple of things that are predictable, one is that violence is going to spike in the summer. and we can do something more, and puffer response to that problem. we have a lot more in our tool belt, we should be said to you, said to allow people to know more about what they can do. with programs, they're a lot of programs that can think about this way upstream, and with a reputed response that will say we will put police officers there, and ideally, those

police officers will either use their handguns or use their handcuffs to address this problem. we are beyond that. as we start thinking about that in a whole different way. this is one of those problems that we have to get far more creative on. >> you said violence and interruption problems -- programs, do you agree with what hunt said? >> i agree with him. i think that putting four policemen is not the issue, but i think we usually have more programs for our youth to be involved in, during the summer months, during the winter months, we have activities, and mentors of those activities. so activities -- and also learning schools to escalate, bringing around each other in a positive way, so policing isn't the issue, but it's also having erupt or is that some of things hands was talking about that are dead on. >> it's also the economy. crimes of opportunity are huge and people are desperate and

they want money. sometimes they can't take care of their families and they still do it, to help the families. i thank you fellas, i appreciated. and a staple known for wildfires, this one is being called unprecedented. it's forcing thousands to evacuate near california's yosemite national park.

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