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profile witness coming to testify so far. we'll talk more about what that might say about the justice department's criminal investigation, how far can. go also, late today president biden went in on the central figure in thursday's january six hearing. >> so, it happened. the capital police, d. c. metropolitan police, other law enforcement agencies were attacked and assaulted before our very eyes. speared, sprayed, stomped on, brutalized. and lies or lost. and for three hours, the defeated former president of the united states watched it all happened he sat in the comfort of the private dining room next to the oval office. >> as for the committee, it apparently is not waiting until september either. today elaine lori, released a new video clip that shows the former presidents unwillingness to include in the speech on january 7th, language holding the mob that he invited, incited, and wanted to join.
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>> do you recognize what this says? >> it looks like a copy of a draft of the remarks. >> okay, and as you can see throughout the document, there is lines crossed out, there is some words that added in, do you recognize the handwriting? >> a looks like my father's handwriting. >> in my view, immediate to express very clearly, that the people made a violent act, went into the capitol, did what they did. should be prosecuted. and should be arrested. >> it looks like here that he crossed out that he was directing the department of justice to ensure all lawmakers
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are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, we must send a clear message, not with mercy but with justice, legal consequences are swift and thurman. do you know why that you wanted that crossed out? >> i don't know. >> and that needed to be stated. >> they did not represent, him or his political views. and any form or fashion. >> they also crossed out, i want to be clear we don't represent me, you don't represent our movement. do you know why, he crossed that language out of it -- ? >> i don't know. >> those are the votes of jared kushner and ivanka trump, claiming ought to know why those words were cross out. the simplest possibility of course, the president, former president crossed it out
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because he did not agree with that. he didn't want to say it. he knew the implications if he did say it on his supporters. at thursday's hearing, you recall the select committee showed a former president reforming life using to prevent read another line saying the election was over. he didn't believe that it was. and still doesn't to this day. we can hear more along those lines tomorrow when he returns to washington for the first time since leaving office. he'll be giving the keynote speech a think tank staff by former administration members. a source next to the select committee, one priority is the secret service text messages from an around january six. his committee members zoe lofgren today. >> well, i don't know, here's the facts on january 16th secret service received a letter signed by committee chairman, this is before the j 6th committee existed. telling them to preserve all the evidence. 11 days later, they erased it. so, that's problematic. >> congresswoman lofgren endorsed these remarks by liz cheney over the weekend about compelling testimony from ginni thomas, right-wing activist and wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. >> he's a committee planning on
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talking to ginni thomas, even though her lawyer has expressed a reluctance to cooperate? >> we are. the committees engage with our council. we certainly hope that she will agree to comment voluntarily. the committee's fully prepared to contemplate a subpoena. if she does not. i hope that it doesn't get that, i hope she will come in voluntarily. >> ginni thomas, you remember repeatedly correspondent with and white house chief of staff mark meadows, and trump's lawyer john eastman who's pushing what became the former president's game to overturn the election. so, talking to her with all that could entail what lies ahead for the committee impossibly -- also ahead, the criminal grand jury in jersey probing the former presidents meddling there, to new developments to tell you about on that tonight. we have new reporting as well on the dark cloud hanging over, the fact that a recent poll 70, percent of republicans now believe some variation of this dangerous thing you're about to
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hear. >> trump has told lies about the election. he said he didn't really lose. do you think all the lies about the election are damaging for american democracy? >> you believe you lied? >> do you not? >> no, i do not. i think he won. >> so, breaking news new york times or wall street journal now reporting that greg jacob, former general counsel to the former vice president also appeared last week before the grand jury. as cnn's donna lowell sullivan, talking to those two people will learn more from his report ahead in this hour. first, let's go to ryan noble at the capitol. ryan, what more can you tell us about jacobs and martin short's testimony before the grand jury? >> well, anderson it clearly means the department of justice investigation into the election meddling, by donald trump and his associates is expanding in a big way, both martin short and greg jacob are to please players.
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when they began the cooperation with the johnson select committee it opened a door into the whole line of pressure that was put in vice president mike pence. during that period of time, provided insight into the push to have pence stand in the way of the certification of the election results on january six. efforts to get him to accept a false slate of electors, there's so many different connections that pence's office has to the attempts to stand in the way the election of being certified for joe biden. the fact that jacob and mark short who are both very cooperative with the committee and told, a lot about what they knew during that period of time. it also would indicate that they've showed the same level of cooperation with the department of justice as well. so, this is absolutely significant, it shows just how serious the department of justice is taking. things as their investigation speeds up in a major way. >> do we know what lori released today instead of including in the airing last
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week? >> we do. it's basically because the committee just has so much evidence, they don't have enough time to pack them all into these public hearings. more than 17 million people watched on thursday night, the hearing only lasted about two and a half hours. i'm told that as they plan the, earrings, a first dress rehearsals, the initial hearing could've run as long as four hours because they had so many cannot -- they believe was necessary to share with the american people. as a result, they still have a lot that didn't make it into the hearing that they will release at different points. adam kinzinger released kind of a preview to the hearing on that day, and none of that contact was actually in the hearing itself. we saw this from -- today is a good chance we'll see more examples of this in the days ahead. particular in the month of august where the committee plans to do most of its work behind closed doors. we should expect them to release this type of content and evidence as they lead into these next round of hearings
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that'll take place and so. ever >> ryan nobles, we appreciate it, from -- cnn's chief legal analyst and former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. greg jacob, martin short testifying for the federal grand jury, how significant? >> it's a big deal, especially in the big picture. remember, main criticism of the justice department so far has been that they are unduly focused are even exclusively focused on the small fish. the people that are inside the capitol, you know who trespass commit acts of violence, and not focused at all on something and larger offenses, the people closest to trump. this shows that this -- at the white house. plus, are part of at least three of the most important areas of inquiry. once the pressure on mike pence to violate his oath and stop the certification of the election.
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the fake electors scheme and the effort to corrupt the justice department. they know about all of that, the fact that the justice department is now, has those people in the grand jury suggest that that's what they're investigating. >> this is no question, the justice department, do they need to re-interview before a grand jury everybody who testified before the january six committee, or the main players? will they not just take the testimony that was keeping under oath by marc short, to the january six committee? >> they could. they could just use that testimony in the grand jury. the issue with the grand jury is at some point, presumably, they're gonna be asked to issue indictments of some what -- they need to have evidence on which to base those indictments. hearsay evidence is admissible underground jury, they could go play the videos of the depositions, from the january six committee.
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but prosecutors usually want to see what this is for themselves. they may not ask exactly the same questions as those -- >> would they have to subpoena mark? short he said earlier today that they did. they're willing to subpoena someone as former high-level as marc short? >> it shows they're serious, that's why today is so important this grand jury testimony is so important. it shows the justice department is not just focusing on the small fish. whether there will be indictments of people up to and including president trump, i certainly don't know that. but, there certainly would be indictments of the people like -- merrick garland, no person is above the law, you can look at it and it puts it into sharper focus. >> and ran juries investigations are by
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definition secret, the only reason this came out -- short coming out of the courthouse. we don't know, who exactly testified in the grand jury. but, the fact that they are there, -- >> we don't know, won't know until either someone breaks it or charges are filed, how far advance they are in their investigation. >> no, the several ways you can find out. you can see people physically see them going in and out. all the reporters know which of the grander, individuals can say that they testify. but whether the grandeur he issues an indictment are not, that's almost never known until it happens. >> if there is investigation continues, and there's a new president, and that president opponents a new head of the department of justice. does the investigation automatically continue? >> it certainly doesn't attic automatically continue. now it can continue. the cusp of the justice department with career peopl e
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is that in the stations continue from one administration to the next. but certainly the leadership will change, and i think if donald trump is elected president in 2024, the odds of this investigation continuing in any form like that i would say is remote at best. >> i appreciate. it perspective now on this in the bigger picture for that we're joined by new york times column is thomas friedman, including the classic from beirut to jerusalem. tom, last time we spoke with right after cassidy hutchinson 's testimony. he said the truth of no value if we cannot act on the truth. does marc short, greg jacobs testifying before a federal grand remaking believe the truth may be acted upon? >> yeah, anderson, we watch every day now as you see not only very senior farmer officials stepping on and
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testifying. i would also point out, the editorial in the wall street journal and the new york post, rupert murdoch's two flagship newspaper's, saying that donald trump wasn't worthy of being president again. i think that's very important. and they cited the january six committee. that's a direct connection between saying this is truth, that's revealed by this committee, leads to this action, this man is unworthy of ever being president again. i think it's a very important. >> it's interesting that has occurred. intellectually you can make the argument we'll look, a lot of the information that we saw the timeline, what the president did on that day was more or less known. there was something about the sheer weight of hearing after hearing, well organized where the countries confronted, for those who watch, confronted day after day, session after the session. with the granular aura of what occurred on that day, and the
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run up to it. >> yeah, i think that's what it. is it's the drip, drip, drip of truth. of which we need to think every day liz cheney for having the courage to step. up and make albeit in a small way by a bipartisan committee there's something about her relentless approach to this, unblinking and willingness to put the truth. it's affecting a lot of principle, moderate republicans which i think from the wall street journal. you take 10, 15% of the party where they represent, and you basically tell them, and they act on that trump isn't worthy to be president, and the party
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has a real problem. you see people acting on the truth, anderson, and then vice president pence basically, his speech is a critique of his former boss and pardon. they're all sort of stepping out here. i don't know where the dam is gonna burst, but one day, not a mid rodney or cheney, one of the senators will step out and say donald, time for you to step aside. >> we will hear later from some of the former president's supporters who still believe the lies that the election was stolen despite all the evidence to the contrary. daniil sullivan has this enviable task of asking these questions time and again. can any of that be -- is that valuable? can it be changed? russ to baked in? >> i think i've always felt >> i think i've always felt that a lot of the people who supported trump didn't really care that much about trump. --
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more than they have focused on trump. i think we do have to ask, that's so deep into his career, how is it that a significant number of people, despite all of the evidence, still see donald trump as a brick they want to throw it through a window? why do they feel that way? it is that window? what is that brick? as reporters, we do have to keep asking that question and not just dismiss this. at the same time, i take sucker in the fact that people in the wall street journal and the new york post are basically saying, no, that's the truth, and the truth compels action, and the action is that this man is unworthy of being president. >> so many people in the senate in the house are claiming they're not even watching the hearings. i think scott said that on fox news. the idea that they're not, but the idea that they don't care enough to watch or just want that is an excuse, that could distance them selves, these are
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significant hearings. >> oh, a, i doubt they're not watching -- i'll tell you one thing, anderson, it read the wall street journal and the new york post. they know where their bread and butter is from. they know which media a need in order to be reelected and i guarantee you, a lot of them today, in the quiet of their conversation, per se, were saying, did you see that editorial by ripper? >> as a rupert goes, the rest of the republican party? >> i think rupert murdoch's media has been so much the house organ of the republican party, and when we watch some of the senators, how frightened they are, if they're criticize by anyone on fox in the new york post of the wall street journal, i think it was a very important break in the dam. i think it just takes 10 or 15%, and suddenly a mandate to declare and worthy of being
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president. he will not be able to be president. >> tom, thank you. >> you bet. >> the possibility of issuing a subpoena to the wife of a sitting supreme court justice. and why the select committee is so interested in which she may know. the latest in california. unbelievable images of what it's like in the hottest place on earth in the middle of a global heat wave. a multivitamin alone, you may be missing a critical piece. preservision. preservision areds 2 contains the only clinically proven nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of moderate to advanced amd progression. "preservision is backed by 20 years of clinical studies" "and its from the eye experts at bausch and lomb" so, ask your doctor about adding preservision. and fill in a missing piece of your plan. like i did with preservision"
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says helped devise a scheme to try to overturn joe biden's victory? it's unclear which any thomas, so well known conservative activist said to eastman in an email, or she will appear before the committee to try to explain any of that. the committee is also investigating more than 2 dozen text messages ginni thomas sent just days after biden's victory to mark meadows, who is donald trump's chief of staff. >> the 2nd reagan revolution is growing. >> in one text from november of 2020, ginni thomas wrote to meadows, help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows biden in the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. in another, and she seemed to embrace a long held false qanon conspiracy theory that trump had water marked mail in ballots so that he could trap potential fraud. she wrote to meadows, water marked ballots in over 12 states have been part of a huge trump and military white had sting operation in 12 key battleground states. ginni thomas hailstone stid by
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lawyers, sydney powell, who spread along debunked conspiracy theory that electronic voting machines had somehow switched ballots from trump to biden. she wrote to meadows, sounds like sidney and her team are getting inundated with evidence of fraud, make a plan, release the kraken, and save us from the left, taking america down. at one point, the washington post reports, ginni thomas urged meadows to watch a youtube video about the power of nevestigation, we hope she comes in voluntarily. >> in an interview this year with the conservative website, the free beacon, ginni thomas said she briefly attended a january 6th rally at the capitol, but returned home before the insurrection. a lawyer for thomas said in a letter to the house select committee last month that he does not believe there is currently a sufficient basis to speak with her. >> my wife is totally my best friend. >> according to clarence thomas 's 2004 biography, ginni thomas
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was born virginia lamp and raised in omaha to nebraska. her father was an engineer and mother was an outspoken republican activist who played a prominent role in her daughter's life. according to the new york times, she joined her high school's republican club in 1974. later, at creighton university in omaha, she earned a law degree. in march, a video circulated on twitter, showing thomas speaking at a 1986 cult awareness network event in missouri. on this decades old video, she shares her experience of leaving life spring, a controversial group founded in 1974 that was long considered a cult. >> when you come away from the college, you have to find a balance in your life. exposing it, fighting the cult. the other angle, is what was it that made you get into that group? >> she reportedly met clarence thomas in 1986 at a conference
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on affirmative action. a married in 1987. could >> don't make fun of your wife's choices, you are one of them. >> clearly, the january 6th committee has had a lot to ask her about. has ginni thomas tried to explain herself in any way? she seemed to have bought into some of the craziest qanon and other fantasies out there. >> it certainly sounds that way. she has tried to set the record straight on how much she shares with her husband, who as we know is the supreme court justice, clarence thomas. she spoke to the free beacon in march and told him, like so many couples we share many of the same ideals, principles and aspirations for america, that we have our own separate career, she said, our own ideas and opinions as well. clarence does not discuss his
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work with me and i don't involve him in my work. that's what she said. she also went on to say that she had no role in helping those who were planning the january 6th events, and she said that the violence that she saw at the capitol, she called it, quote, disgusting and he was disappointed. >> she is texting mark meadows, talking about releasing the kraken, white hat military operations, i mean this is the stuff you get off the internet -- >> that's why the committee might want to talk to her. they had these text messages and emails, apparently, and they want to know more. >> randi kaye, thank you so much. ahead, biggest host yet of the presidents power. daniel sullivan shows us the reality of january 6th and how it's dividing the gop in arizona.
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it from tomorrow arizona voters decide who they want in the ballot for the governor's race this. fall it's a race so bitterly divided that the former president and former vice president went there friday holding dueling events for two gop candidates. 45th president unsurprisingly is backing a 2020 election denier.
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in arizona state to put joe biden on the top, republicans may need to consider the except the reality of the last presidential vote in january six before going about this time around. -- not a sense of the divide firsthand, we warn you some of the language you'll hear maybe offensive. >> he didn't lose. >> says who? >> he just didn't lose? >> he believes the election was stolen. and >> yes. do you have a face -- and do you believe the 2020 election was stolen? >> now, i don't believe the 2020 election was stolen. i believe there are aspects of the 2020 election that were unfair. >> in arizona republican party at odds of itself. fans and holding competing events or two very different understandings of reality. >> we need a landslide so big that the radical left cannot steal it.
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>> at trump's rally, a bonfire of conspiracy theories. >> have you watched the january six? hearings >> i have. >> what do you think? >> i think there are a bunch of bull--. >> why? >> do you have both sides, are you getting one side of the story. >> you mean, like the side that attacked the capital. >> you really believe that happened? >> i was there. >> okay. i have a lot of people that were there to. >> and? >> and they saw things, it wasn't what they say was. >> there's been hundreds of trump supporters now charged, some of them applied guilty. >> so, do you think it's right for those people to have those people in jail and not get any justice in our american system, are you kidding me. >> do you think it's right that the attack the capitol?
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>> i don't know that they did not. and that was an inside job, buddy! >> vast conspiracy theories that those that stormed the capitol were not trump supporters is widespread. here >> have you been watching the january six hearing at all? >> know? >> we saw when it all went down, we saw a lot of the blm and antifa people in the building as well. it's just nonsense is. all >> i think 800 people now have been charged, right? none of them are antifa or black lives matter. >> they're not charging. them >> that doesn't mean anything. >> they haven't been brought to court further due process. >> hunter biden hasn't been arrested. >> trump has told lies about the election, he said he didn't really lose, do you think all the lies about the election are damaging for american democracy? >> you believe, he lied? >> do you not?
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>> know i do not. i think he won. >> these are no longer fringe ideas, a majority of republicans do not believe biden legitimately won the election. the proud boys with trump once infamously told to stand back and stand by, now a regular fixture outside of his events. >> any proud boys want to talk to us today? >> no? you're watching january six hearing? >> nothing to say. >> are you cnn? >> not fans. >> former president campaigned for a ticket of conspiracy theories about candidates who say they would've overturn the results of the election in arizona. like carrie-like candidate for governor. >> i know for a fact we will no longer accept rigged, who's with me on that. >> pence here campaigning for republican rivals. >> arizona needs karen taylor robson in the state. house >> here we met some republicans who are done with trump. >> i voted for trump twice. if mike pence runs, i'm voting for mike pence. >> okay, why is? that i >> just think that everyone seen the january six
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committee. he stood up for democracy that day. he's like, i'm not leaving the capital because i need to be here. he was the one that was making phone calls to the military, trying to fix the situation while trump was crying in the dining room. >> even among this crowd there is sympathy for trump's election lies. -- you're about to see, pence speak here trump's not a big fan of him right. now >> i understand, that i hear that he could have not certified the results pending all the claims of fraud. i wish we would've done >> that pence had no legal basis to do that, also among those here rusty bowers, a lifelong republican and speaker of the arizona state house. >> i've been talking to a lot of people here today, they're not watching the january six hearings, they still believe lies about the 2020 election. what's your message to them? >> i have no message for them, i can help them, if you don't
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want to look, you don't want to see, then you won't see. i've seen enough to know. i know that there are people in this room, who did their best account and do it all right. >> he testified against the committee, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 results. in his state. >> what are these conspiracy theories, these lies about the election, about democracy, what's that doing to trust in the state? >> it destroys a. it destroys. we've gotta let things go. >> what would need to change for you to have faith in u.s. democracy? >> i don't trust our government, first of all, period. if you don't have fair elections, what's good are. they >> ever worry that you're wrong? >> absolutely. [laughs] >> ever worry that trump has told you a lie? >> if you start researching,
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believing you're the one that's wrong are crazy, which i did do thinking i'm wrong i'm being brainwashed. and believe me when someone is telling me but then you go and look the other direction, you find lies, after lies after lies. >> it doesn't matter for was stolen or not? if republicans want to take back the house, take back the senate, and eventually the white house they need to move on. >> i gotta say, the fact that those two did doubt occasionally they said that they were maybe wrong. i think it's a healthy exercise for us all to go through all the time. like, what if i'm wrong. >> the issue of course, when you go online and do your own research, as many folks do. is there is just such a vast array of bs, right. there is some very convincing, a lot of money behind disinformation campaigns to convince people that american democracy -- >> the logic though as you pointed out others 800 people who have been charged, none of them that there is no, the guy was saying we saw the blm antifa people. they didn't, they weren't there. >> why i brought up the
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indictments was, that's on paper, right. when i say, why is no antifa or blm and their mind it's not because -- it's because the deep state has decided we're not gonna prosecute antifa and blm. it's a very dark rabbit hole. >> at the pence rally were finding people that bought into the? lies >>, both these events were on the same day, i went to the pence rally in the morning that pence event pence was there to endorsed a candidate who is more pro democracy i guess. she hasn't quite said that she would overturn the results. the point being, pence was there to say, we believe in our democracy even at that event there are some trump supporters who went along with the pants route.
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we're saying we don't have trust in american democracy. >> those so-called proud boys, are they applied on the phone discussing what's shirts there gonna wear? >> i think there's a lot of coordination going on, yeah, i almost blended in there in my black. >> you and fred perry. >> i can't in florida. >> well, proud boys. -- i appreciate you. do california's wildfire fry the fury of the flames nearing 70 being called on unprecidented. it plus gary tuchman visits bought a place on earth, which is right here in the u.s. for some it's a way of life, for other it's a risky adventure. be right back. slow you down. because astepro starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. and astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free allergy spray. now without a prescription. astepro and go.
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2000 californians are out of their homes are massive while burning just out of yosemite national park isn't its fourth night. the smoke is seen from space, it's that bad. a state fire official says the oak fire showing unprecedented behavior moving incredibly fast. here's another view from an infrared camera, the white area the top of your screen shows the flames, that a tally and she says the severity is a direct result of the climate california's drought is a little comfort in the hottest place at earth death valley, that includes a small town in the middle of the desert. tonight gary tuchman takes us
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there to see what life is like in the middle of this summer. >> if 125 degrees made the sound, this might be it. [noise] >> the siberian husky, far away from the land of ancient siberian ancestors, living in furnace creek, california, the largest community, in the majestic death valley national park. which is considered the hottest place on earth. carolina much ej and -- are tourist from italy. >> i think it's one-of-a-kind plays in the entire. world >> what do you think about the heat? >> it's a lot, but i think if you get your precautions that could be sustainable. >> he has lived and worked here for 15 years. and those have to keep it sustainable. >> you need some water, gatorade, go to the shade when you need to. and take your time, always do a good job. don't rush. it.
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>> she is mowing the lawn in the blazing sign a resort called the away system death valley, she's a lead gardener who moved here from michigan. >> heat exhaustion might sudden. i have to schedule my alarm. i have to force myself to take a break. i'll be -- my alarm go off. >> he also has one other tip. >> love the heat. >> and lots of people. do the resort is full while we're here. >> what inspires you, is looking at the space and you're saying this is a jewel in the middle of nowhere. in fact for most of this year this jewel is a very comfortable temperature, summer heat is definitely intense now.
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almost all outdoor workers start early so they're gone before the mercury finishes its climb. outdoor activities are busy is very early to, like all. and what you're seeing here. >> there's lots of trails here in valley, hiking's extremely popular, even during this month of july, hottest month of the year, everywhere you go you see signs and warnings, take plenty of water with you when you hike. and don't hike after 10 am. right now the day is still young, it's still morning, and the temperatures 111 degrees. relatively moderate compared to the 120 plus which is only a few hours away. which leads to the outdoors coming rather desolate. an indoor death valley coming alive. look at the ice cream parlor. >> here in that valley, in july, working here is the best job or is it the best job? >> it's definitely the best job. [laughs]
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>> she also thinks she has the best job. did she ever consider moving back? north >> now, i don't want to be in the cold ever. i'm happy with this. this is perfect. >> shortly after 8 pm, sunsets, the temperature goes down to the low 90s overnight, before another scorcher today. anderson, there's no such thing as a cool summer and death valley, that's precisely why so many tourists want to come here in the summer, and experienced the intense heat for themselves, it's on their bucket list. that being said, it's nice to see the tourists here on the most part, seems to be paying attention to the residents here, seem to be respecting mother nature, we don't see any biking, jogging, just a lot of slow and deliberate walking, and a lot of water bottles. anderson. >> gary tuchman, thanks so. much up next, new details on the investigation in the robb elementary school shooting and the school principal was placed on leave with pay. the latest from the school board meeting happening right now where parents demand more should been done to protect their children. >> i ask you to put yourself in my shoes, in our shoes as a parent. you've talked about high security, i feel no amount of security will ease our hearts and our minds. we saw so many cops, all we
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two weeks until the uvalde students and are set to return to school, parents at a school board meetings are expressing concern with the enforcement and the lack of answers on the mass shooting at robb elementary school two months ago. >> the rest of the police department that are still on payroll, i don't see how you can expect the families to have the same tries, lack thereof, to drop off the kids at school, the same guys that -- are the same police that are supposed to protect them. >> this comes as the uvalde county commissioner voted unanimously, conducted an invent -- sheriffs response today. with me now, cnn crime justice
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correspondent shame on trump back. with the latest from the school board meeting? >> look, one of the things that was very clear, this disconnect, there's no trust between the school board, parents, and still it just seems i've been to several of these meetings in watching tonight, there's a lack of empathy it seems. this misunderstanding, they cannot connect with people in the communities so much so that the community today they weren't even supposed to have this meeting, in a small room in the parents put pressure on them to have them in this order to ram. and the police officers there, the parents were just reacting in this way, angry way why would you have all these officers. here take a listen to some of that reaction, anderson. >> and whose job was it to call all of these officers? and i see more officers here than have ever looked over at our schools, what are y'all worried about? our kids are dead. what are you guys worried about? >> this is the thing, anderson, every meeting i've been due
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today, the problem in that community right now is they don't trust the state troopers and not the school police officers and they want everyone gone. the school board has a lot of work. >> without the decision on chief pete arredondo? >> they were gone to vote in that and then something happened now as lawyers kind of fighting in appears there's some kind of fight going on. he will win that fight in the end. but the school says we need to do this due process and this is the law on the way we need to do things. >> mandy gutierrez, the school principal at the time the shooting, has been placed on administrative leave? >> she is on administrative leave, a party that's probably because of when this report came back from texas legislators, they listed all of these problems with the school between the locks lack of security and the issues that the teachers were having with the door. so, i guess now the schools taking action against her. so, we're seeing slowly, slowly some of the people that are
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responsible that day for taking action. >> it does seem like a lot behind closed doors, they're not communicating in the end. it's >> troubling, we're two months into this in the parents are still so angry. and trying to heal, they're saying we don't have all the answers. >> it's crazy. it's unbelievable the way these parents have been treated. >> it's sad, it's horrific, it's so faint. >> thank you, coming up looking how the january six committees -- and the impact that could have on the midterms, as well as the 2024 presidential election. .s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] sorry i'm late! dude, dude, dude... oh boy. your cousin.from boston. [whiff] [water splashes] is it on the green? [goose squawks] i was just looking for my ball. 19th hole, sam adams summer ale. [goose squawks] (here you go.) (cheers guys!) [whistling]
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a lot happening across the january 6 landscape includes tonight -- former vice president mike pence's general counsel greg jacob testified last week before federal grand jury. jacobin former pence chief of staff -- to highest ranking officials in the former ministration will have no known to have talked. one more piece in the larger picture dominated by the fact that more than 70 million viewers what should have been billed as this january 6 committee season finale, an interest have been high throughout. the question now is whether any of it has changed any minds, and more specifically, weather could change any votes in the midterms this fall in 2024. there is some answers. our one and only harry anton joins me. are you seeing any change in the former president now that the hearings concluded? >> one of the things i've learned covering president trump, and his electoral history, is the more he's in the news, the worse it is for him. take a look at his net favor