a lot happening across the january 6 landscape includes tonight -- former vice president mike pence's general counsel greg jacob testified last week before federal grand jury. jacobin former pence chief of staff -- to highest ranking officials in the former ministration will have no known to have talked. one more piece in the larger picture dominated by the fact that more than 70 million viewers what should have been billed as this january 6 committee season finale, an interest have been high throughout. the question now is whether any of it has changed any minds, and more specifically, weather could change any votes in the midterms this fall in 2024. there is some answers. our one and only harry anton joins me. are you seeing any change in the former president now that the hearings concluded? >> one of the things i've learned covering president trump, and his electoral history, is the more he's in the news, the worse it is for him. take a look at his net favor

billet-y -- look at it since essentially march. when we see? in march of 25, 4 months ago, it was minus 6 points. then it's minus 7 points april 25th. may 25th, minus 9 points. june 25th, minus 10 points. july 25th, minus 13 points. you don't have to be a mathematician to know that that's a bad trend line. it follows everything that we know that we have seen in the past. when the president stays out of the news, his numbers go up. when he gets in the news, the numbers go down. so to me, it's a pretty clear trend line. >> what do you see among republicans in particular? >> if you look at republicans obviously the thing i see the most republicans are worried about, is trump, whether or not he could win in 2024. can he win that republican nomination? of course at this particular

point is the main nemesis. round incentives, the governor florida. we do we seen the trend line there? if you go back from last year, we essentially see is that donald trump's numbers of state pretty steady writing the national primary polls. 53% a year ago, 6 months ago he was a 52%, now he's a 51%. but look at the desantis numbers. he's basically coalesced, we're beginning to coalesce the anti trump vote. he's doubled his vote share over the last year. this to me is a problem if you're the former president, because it essentially says the people who are not with trump right now perhaps will never be with him, and in part perhaps, because they believe he's becoming more unpopular with the general electors. >> and the midterms are approaching. are you seeing trends? >> we are seeing some friends. this is to me, interesting, because to be honest with you, anderson, i'm the type of person, i'd rather be honest than not.

>> please be honest. >> i lied to my mom when i said i eat my vegetables, but beyond that, i'm honest, at least with the viewers. which we seen the race for congress right now, is that republicans hold the lead. it's a small league. it's down to a point. if you look back before the january 6 committee hearings, if you look at the cnn approval -- essentially 4 points on average. i was surprised by this to be -- -- i'm a student of history. i can look at the current poll numbers, get an idea, but i like to look back. what we see essentially, is let's just take the look at the elections since 1994, since if i stood, i would be up to maybe your waist or knee high. i was a young boy back then. if you look at the elections

since 1994, whether it was a democratic -- just like we have right now. you compare the july polls with which actually happened in the election. we see them on average, republicans outperforming their july polls, the actual results by 6 points. they tend to gain from now until the election. the reasons for that tends to be because there's a fade away from the presidents party. the presidential penalty, and that would make sense in this particular time, because president biden's approval rating is stuck in the high 30s. if you want to see movement, you probably see movement away from the presidents party and history suggests that's exactly what's going to happen now. we warn you, history is not always -- it has yet to be written. not prolonged. with a lovely phrase. but, in my particular study of

this, i would be quite surprised if republicans did not do better in the pollings, but i was once proven wrong. perhaps i'll be proven wrong once again. >> we shall see. harry anton, i appreciate it. really good. >> i try my best. i bring it for you. >> you brought it. definitely. yes. perspective on all this. -- his first time back in d. c. since leaving office and fomenting insurrection. joining us is cnn's chief political correspondent dana bash, and atlantic staff writer, mccabe. dana, you heard harry talking about the cooling effects to hearns maybe having on the former presidents -- whether the former presidents going to run or not obviously is unclear. i understand is you have your new reporting on pence's calculations? >> his calculations, i'm told, by a source familiar with the thinking of the former vice president is that it doesn't matter whether his former boss, the former president actually

runs, but that won't have an impact on whether or not mike pence decides to run. having said that, you just saw what harry laid out. very clearly when it comes to where the republican parties, and more specifically, or the former president's, and his approval ratings continue to go down. especially since we are seeing with the january 6th hearing. when i'm told, is that when you look at, even some internal numbers for the former president, the thing that is most striking is that women, in particular, have fled. donald trump is doing so poorly with women, and that has contributed to the unfavorable rating that you are seeing clicking up that harry just talked about. how bad will it be

determinative? not just when mike pence runs, but more importantly if donald trump actually runs. we will see. >> mccabe, we saw the trump and pence rallies in arizona, and in donny's sullivan's piece. -- an alternative to trump? is there looking for him? >> i think he's betting that there is. i'm not sure whether that's going to turn out to be a good bet, but he is clearly distancing himself from trump to a certain extent. he is not disowning donald trump. he's not disowning donald trump's voters, but he's trying to return to his previous place in the party, which was that of -- [inaudible] [inaudible] >> we've lost your audio, mckay. dana, the former chief of staff testified in front of a grand jury, as well as pence's former general counsel, greg jacob. according to the times.

that's a pretty big deal. >> it's a huge deal. we've not been entirely sure where the department of justice investigation has been going, and that is a big understatement, i know. the fact that there is a grand jury, and as part of that, it's 2 very important figures. not just in the trump administration, but on the day of january 6th. came before this grand jury. although marc short came on cnn earlier with erin burnett and was understandably careful about what to say, about what he said during the grand jury testimony, the fact that these 2 figures talked is telling, and all we have to do is look at the kind of things that they told the january 6th committee to understand how deep their knowledge bases. obviously it's connected to the previous conversation. how upset they were about how the former president handled himself in the days leading up to and on january 6th, given

where they actually physically were with mike pence. trying to make sure that he was safe. >> mckay, i think we have your audio back. we're talking about pence. and you have descendants who obviously harry was just showing us, his numbers have been going up. so does pence have a lane? >> yeah, i mean i don't know. a problem for pence is that most of his political relevance in the current republican party is through his association with donald trump. now he is trying to walk this kind of tortured tightrope, where he is disowning -- [inaudible] about saying that he lost the election. [inaudible] >> we lost the audio. mckay, down a bash. i appreciate it. coming up, the most serious an immediate legal threat to the

former president now faces. -- how electoral politics could be accomplished kinnick it all. russian fires missiles a day after reaching a deal to allow ukrainian grain exports. when it means to a hungry world and a larger war. we will speak to a retired general next. astepro and go.

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new developments tonight in the criminal probe and georges fulton county. as well as the da, and high-profile testimony. sorry, kara what more can you tell us about this recorded testimony provided by the georgia governor brian camped? >> well, governor kemp is providing this testimony today it's being recorded and will be presented to the special grand jury in the near future.

the reason why he's not sitting in providing live testimony is because he's the governor, it's a concession of the prosecutors have given. i'm his testimony is important, he has direct conversation with former president -- trump after the 2020 election. trump had called and was pushing him to a special session of the state legislature to try to get them to overturn biden's victory. he trump was also pressing camp, to order an audit of the absentee ballots on the signature. camps now one of the most high-profile people to go in, he won't be the last other allies of the former president colluding's personal attorney, rudy giuliani, have been ordered to testify as soon as next month. >> a judge blocked the fulton county district from investigating one of the 16 fake trump electors from the republican state senators as part of his it's mastication for the former president. do we know more about that? >> yes, this judge disqualify the fulton county district attorney from investigating georgia state senator bert jones.

the back story here, is that jones is a target of this investigation and he is one of those fake electors, he's also running for lieutenant governor of georgia. and this is where -- fani willis, district attorney hosted a fund-raiser for his opponent in that race. the judge said that was an untenable conflict, said that willis and her office cannot investigate this senator, cannot include him in the report that the special grand jury will produce. he said any actions that do come up under questioning, can be referred to the district different district attorney. it doesn't have an impact on the broader investigations, 11 other fake electors are due to appear before the special grand jury this week. >> and, judge denied a request by georgia republican jody hice, to squash a subpoena to appear among the jury, which is investigating the former president. >> that's right, that also came today, there was a court hearing in fulton county, the federal judge saying that she would not quash the subpoena for testimony. she said she would send it to a

state judge, where they can confirm and figure out the parameters if any questions. we haven't heard from heise's office and whether he will appeal, this isn't another instance where -- willis is getting some testimony, or possibly some testimony about the key players in the election. >> laura scannell, thank you, back with us prosecutor jeffrey toobin. do you think this investigation in georgia, out of all the investigations that the former president is involved in, it could be the most consequential? >> it certainly is the one at the moment that looks like, is most likely to lead to an indictment of the former president. if you look at how this is being structured, if you look at the infamous phone call but i think most people are familiar with where the president trump called the secretary start, raffensperger and said get me 11,000 votes, which really is about as clear almost a confession a corrupt intent.

>> let's play that. >> let's hear it. >> so, look, all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,700 made votes. which is one more than what we have. because we won the state. he's not saying i want to correct vote total, he's not saying let's get this accurate. he say, just get me enough votes so i win the election. that is really very difficult to explain. and if you look at how fani willis is approaching this case, she's brought everybody into this grand jury. or is in the process of doing. at and she is also an elected official in a very democratic part of georgia. so, she has no real political

risk by pursuing this. >> if charges were brought by her, against the former president, what happens? >> well, see this is where the case is potentially could run into a lot of problems, georgia has an unusual legal structure, in terms of these cases, more potential way back case could be forced into federal court, which would be a very different scenario perhaps a different set of prosecutors, also likely possible appeals, of that decision to go to federal court if she actually invites the former president. a trial could be at least a year away, but it would be a criminal trial potentially unless it's thrown out. there are significant legal obstacles that she faces. however, she does appear to be determined to go forward. the current grand jury that's investigating, were all these witnesses and parents call a special grand jury. it cannot issue an indictment. they would have to turn its evidence over to a different grand jury, that would actually

vote the indictment, all of this could be quite slow. but she does seem determined to proceed. >> we heard the report from -- a judge has squashed congressman jody hice's attempt to, squash the subpoena to appear before a grand jury, how significant does? that >> it's good for her, the more subpoenas that are quash the better. one of the pending request to quash subpoena is from lindsey graham. the senator who's, who made a call in to try to stop this investigation. so, every time she wins getting someone in the grand jury, that's good. but there is a long way to go before this turns into an actual criminal case. >> the fulton county da suggested racketeering charges.

where is racketeering in this? >> well, racketeering is just another term for when a prosecutor takes a bunch of disparate crimes, combines them all into a 601. here, you've got various possibilities of various attempts to interfere with georgia election. whether it's pressure on raffensperger, secretary of state, whether it's getting rid of the u.s. attorney in atlanta who was disappeared showing this investigation. whether it's intimidating the court officials, as you recall, during the january six hearings. one woman testified about how her life was turned upside down by the president attacking her. if you put all of those into one case, that could potentially be a racketeering case. >> we appreciate, it coming up just as russia seemed to show the slightest bit of mercy toward ukraine. an attack that threatens the cut of desperate needed food to the world. we will take you in odessa, we'll take you to how it's reaching a breaking point from vladimir putin's invasion.

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ukraine's president zelenskyy tonight's vowing to resume grain exports despite russia attacking the port of odessa. missile strikes came just 24 hours after russia agreed to allow the safe passage of grain from the black sea. un warns of a catastrophic wooed product prices that those shipments. john kirby tell cnn, the attack project memories of russia carrying out strikes and humanitarian aid meant for syria. and senior international correspondent -- is part of our cnn t on the ground it as a tight joins me live. i've, and what we know about the state of this agreement after the bombing is there still a plan in place to export grain? >> yeah, the short answer is yes. but even though there was this attack and this criticism that's come from the ukrainians. but also from the un and even turkey. which helped mediate the

agreement which was signed on friday in istanbul. all the parties are saying, we still want to go ahead with this. including the russians, who don't want to be seen to be holding up the export of the precious food and global markets. so, it does look like they're gonna try to move forward, even in fact than out september can setting up an office and in stumble, the joint nation center which is supposed to help facilitate this, and ensure the safety of ships that'll be going. out but there are real concerns about trust, i mean the port of odessa is over my shoulders, and that is the port that was hit, though the russians claim they were targeting military infrastructure. in that. port >> i mean, if this holds how soon can ship start to move these products out of ukraine? >> the turks are saying, the un,

i can these guys help mediate the agreement. they're saying as possible. there's still some logistical -- setting up the coordination center, trying to clear minds that could be blocking the ports and blocking the waterway. and it does seem to be some disagreement whether or not there will be warships escorting the cargo ships, the russian foreign minister says that russian ships will as support them, ukrainians are saying we're not gonna allow any russian warships anywhere here are water, that seems like a big detail to still try to hammer out, just to be clear, anderson ukrainians are desperate to send grain through other meetings, they've been ramping up shipments on the river dan you, river barges, and river ports there by rail. and by truck across borders. but they can't get anywhere near the capacity that they could if they can load up barges and start shipping them through the black sea, they way they were doing until russia invaded this country last february.

>> you've been doing incredible reporting for the better part of 5 months in ukraine. could you talk about it feels like on the ground there now in terms of where the war is at? >> you know, i'm struck by how much has changed since april when i was last here. you were last here. you were here a little bit later, anderson. you don't see signs of the entire population on the run. you don't see these cars with the words children written on the side with everybody fleeing. if anything, i think that we see in cities many businesses open, people going toward, people going to cafés, walking around and parks with their kids. it's beautiful weather this time of year here in ukraine. which either reflects that people are more comfortable with the fact that their country is that war, or they are confident that the ukrainian military will not allow russians to break through the frontlines the way they did at the beginning of the war and breached their cities. i'm talking about cities that are only 20 miles from very

active front lines where you don't see people swimming on the beach -- you see people swimming on the beach. another difference is we are seeing how the ukrainian military is getting new weapons. i've seen combat units using refurbished, captured russian military vehicles that even still say made in russia on them, that they painted ukrainian flags on, and renovated to used to fight against the russians. i've seen british military vehicles that have just been supplied. of course, western shoulder mounted anti tank weapons. there is these u.s. supplied high mars, the long-range rockets, which every ukrainian officer and politician i've talked to said it has changed the battleground of some degree, because it lets the ukrainians strike russian targets deep behind enemy lines.

that said, there's also the several present fear from these cruise missile strikes that become anytime, anywhere, at cities very far behind frontlines, and that kill civilians and kill children. that is a threat that everybody is living with. they're kind of determined even with that terrible threat. >> ivan watson. thank you. retired army lieutenant general mark hurtling. what is your reaction to the war and from what you've heard from ivan? just after signing an agreement, they've struck an agreement to allow grain to leave a odessa. it just seems insane. >> it's in the criminal

category, anderson, is when i would say and what we've seen is repeated violations by russia of various treaties across the board. every single time there's an attempt to bring some type of response, from the international community, russia has -- literally 24 hours after the signed the treaty trying to get grain to stave off famine and starvation, a shooting missiles at the very place that green is coming from. , anderson, you just cannot trust mr. putin and the way he is disk -- conducting foreign affairs and executing this war. >> what do you see on the ground in terms of the war happening? a lot of it is away from the cameras, because of the nature of where it is, the long-range artillery. what is your take on the eve and flow of it right now? >> my take is in the east, the dantas region. you're talking about a slugfest that has been going on for the last 3 months. ukraine has not been defeated, russia has not been able to obtain the operation or

strategic goals. they have made some tactical advancements, but frankly they had been minor, and not many miles of territory gained. we are also seeing now is president zelenskyy, suggested as many of us thought he would, is to open a 2nd front. that 2nd front is more than likely going to occur in the kherson -- that's a critical of last. it's not just the city of her son, it is the entire province of kherson. about the size of the state of maryland. the capital city of correction, about 300,000 population on a normal day, but that area bumps up against crime media and also maintains the road network to the north, east and west. presidents zelenskyy, if he

gets his way and he can generate several thousand new fighting forces to go into that area to supplement and compliment the resistance forces that have been going against the russians that are seemingly embedded in that country, sustaining great casualties from local resistant forces, you're going to see a 2nd front and it's going to cause the russians to be put on the horns of a dilemma about the same time that there is an inflection point in the logistics. as we've said, anderson, from the start of the 2nd phase of the russian war, the key element is who is going to be able to supply the war the best? russia is having significant problems. unbelievable dysfunction in their logistics and supply chain, and what you just mentioned at a, ukraine seems to be getting more equipment, better equipment, more efficient and effective, and precise equipment to help them counter all the russian supplies, and it's going to be significant. >> head of britain's foreign intelligence service told cnn he thinks russia could be,

quote, about to run out of steam in ukraine. that is what you were talking about, the logistics point. >> yes. we've been talking about that for a couple of weeks now. it is that inflection point. what is going to happen, because this is about logistics. who gets the supplies and who gets the effective combat power the fastest to counter the other forces. we have not seen russia's forces, even though they are a large and well equipped allegedly force, they've not been able to conduct operations -- we're seeing ukraine improve across the border in that area. they are getting counter artillery, counter fire, forces to the front line. destroying the logistics that russia had put in place in several of these depots, and as ivan just said and as you mentioned, the high mars has been a significant factor in that. when you are talking about just a small number of high martha, 16 of them that can fire about 190 effective missiles per day, district targets which russians

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in indiana today, a new bill that would prevent abortions and set the in cases of birth or incest to save the life of the mother. -- dozens opposed to the bill, many arguing against the new restrictions. this comes as vice president kamala harris travel to indianapolis. cnn's alexandra field has that story. >> safe and legal! safe and legal! >> thousands of demonstrators swarming indiana state capital for the heated debate over a bill to ban abortion at any stage of pregnancy with exceptions for some cases of rape, incest and threats to the life of a mother. fierce opposition to the bill

coming now on both sides of the issue. to protect the right to life. our opposition to this bill, is because in its current state, it does not stack up to that mansion. >> some arguing that the restrictions with indiana's bill don't go far enough. >> i'm asking the espy one language be stripped and a bill to be replaced with a language similar to hb1282, which was a complete ban on abortion with no exceptions, no compromise, no regulation. >> others fighting to stop another state denying care for women. >> the proposed legislation politicizes would should be a private decision. >> indiana is the first state called a special session to attempt to pass new laws restricting abortions in the wake of the supreme court's dobb's decision. it leaves the way for dozens of states with plans to pat similar bills. at least 12 states have already attempted to or enacted vans, or severely restricted abortion procedures since roe was overturned. >> my choice!

>> indiana has become a safe havens of sorts for women seeking care they cannot otherwise get. >> we're seeing people traveling from other states, coming into indiana for abortion care. as far away as texas, but including states like ohio and kentucky. indiana is trying to provide care that should be legal and accessible by these people in their own states. >> last month, a 10 year old rape victims traveled from ohio to indianapolis for in abortion after her home state enacted a ban after 6 weeks of pregnancy. indiana university position or who helped the child, dr. caitlin bernard, drawing the ire of conservative media, some lawmakers and the states attorney general, protesting indiana's bill in an opted in the washington post, she writes, people in indiana and across the nation have called me brave, but i am not any braver than any other physician who would do the right thing when faced

with a patient in need. i do not feel brave. i feel anguished, desperate, and angry. nearly 1400 health care workers from across indiana signing 2 letters to lawmakers, voicing their objections. >> legislating someone else's moral decisions and religious decisions on to everyone else, that comes directly -- it's usually problematic for us to our trying to practice medicine. >> we're concerned that this is just a harbinger of what's to come. we are really worried about a national abortion ban. >> this for you goes beyond? >> yes. indiana's first, but we won't be last. >> understand there is a 2nd bill under consideration? >> right. 2 bills with a special sessions related to abortions, and this is a bill that would seek to allocate about 45 million dollars toward more resources for expectant mothers and families.

it specifically names foster and adopted families, but the bill is in line with the kind of arguments that you heard from some conservatives around the country, that in lieu of access to abortion states should provide greater care for moms and babies. i spoke to a physician here in indiana. she says that the funding and the bill would be inadequate in terms of meeting the need at this state would have. she goes on to say that these resources are important, and that they should be funded on their merits, but she says they are not in any way related to or a replacement for critically needed health care. anderson? >> coming up next, with the nfl season, i'm going to speak with nfl defensive men -- who made history last year as a first active nfl player to announce that he was gay. why he says it was important to do it and the reaction he received across the league.

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more than 1600 players in the nfl told 32 teams, for the first time in history last year in active nfl player came out as gay. his name is carl nassib, he plays defensive and mostly for the loss raiders -- with a video on instagram. take a look. >> what's up people, i'm carl nassib, my house in westchester, pennsylvania, let's take a quick moment to say that i'm gay.

i've been meeting to this for a while now, but i finally feel confound have to get it off my chest. >> and a statement after posting that video nassib said he agonize over the decision to announce he was gave 15 years. he hopes that one day, the whole coming out process won't be. process carl nassib is here with me. now >> i love how you're like -- how much that went into that, and how much -- >> i was nervous in a good amount of thought went into. it i really wanted to do it right. i wanted to make it not just about me, make the biggest impact i possibly could with a one minute clip. and i wanted to do it surrounded by friends and family, in my hometown. and yeah, the response has been amazing, the amount of people that come up to me, bring it up and talking about how it's impacted them, has been the most rewarding possible thing i could've asked for. >> i can imagine the impact of this on so many younger people.

who grew up, you know playing the sports, and feeling like they're not representation of out there for them. this is. huge >> yeah this is exactly what i wanted to. do i want to help these young kids that might be struggling. >> that was foremost in your? mind >> 100 percent. i think that we can continue this conversation we can tell curious coaches, parents, that they can be that one support of adults in these young kids lives to help them get by a little bit easier. and just to spread a little bit more joy around. >> when you got to your team, when you got to the raiders, when you are in the stadium, how was it? >> i mean. the raiders stadium is always electric. it's a great stadium. the fans are amazing, i got nothing but support for my teammates, fans, coaches everything. >> your coach, -- >> -- he's great. >> he resigned after some emails were leaked.

do you ever have some issues with him? >> he was so supportive of may coming out. and that whole thing, i try to take that in stride, try to focus on what was important, the team really was stronger together, and -- >> he was supportive? you >> absolutely. >> what happens now, you're a free agent, do want to keep playing? >> yeah. i'm keeping all options open, waiting for the best opportunity, the best shape of my life, i got a lot left a lot left in the tank working on some other projects that are really, really exciting. to >> that's the thing, you and i have talked, farm amazed how focused you are on volunteering, i'm giving, giving $100,000 for the trevor project a great organization. you also have an app that you've created, what is it called and what is it? do >> it's called rays are a wise. eli came up with the idea four years ago. when i was volunteering in tampa. i had an amazing experience volunteering at a juvenile delinquents wonder, and what really struck me was -- it was a half mile from the team, full millionaires at a family of millionaires, and

nobody knew it was there, so i went a month later got raiders trademark, there needs to be an opt out there and somebody can go on super easy and find every single volunteer opportunity in their neighborhood, on the way to and from work. >> great idea. >> thank. you >> you really have no sense in the community exactly, a lot of people want to do something but they're not sure how to go about it. >> anna. percent we take all that stress, that complication away everything is about efficiency and that's what we do >> it's interesting to me that experience of your playing, you're surrounded by people that are making a lot of money. and realizing that half a mile away, there's kids in. need >> absolutely. and we want to make it super easy for people who can find anything they're passionate

about, right. we're on board in so many wonderful nonprofits, united way, trevor project, across the board were really doing some fun. stuff >> as a kid, when did you, i assume he realized very early on you are gay. i probably knew when i was six or seven. whether i can put a name to it or not. when you are playing sports, didn't seem to you that there was a future in being gay and playing sports? >> i love sports my entire life. i come from a great sports family. it wasn't really in my mind growing up. i want to be the best player i can possibly be. i really had such an amazing career. i'm so lucky, yeah, i've been the most support for my family, friends, teammates throughout

my career. >> and i don't know -- how it works. do you want to be in football, seems to me you have a lot of really interesting -- >> [laughs] you love football, you're pulling a lot of directions, you have a lot of things that you think about for the future? >> it's my passion, right. i've been doing it since i'm years old. and it's the most fun thing i can do. i'm just really excited about raise, making an impact on off the field, aspiring others to do the same. >> and how, where do people go forays? you go on the app store, download it on the app store get on there. we have three pillars, positive, social meal, and volunteer matching. and simplify donations, there's something there for everybody. if you have a really busy schedule, you don't have time to volunteer, got a couple kids, don't have time to -- --

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to the survivors for what happened in 2015 in canada, called cultural genocide. indigenous children who were taken away forcibly from their family, stripped of their language and culture. were physically, sexually emotionally abused. many of them run by the catholic church. the apology took place in canada at one such former school. we spoke to some of the survivors for a report dated for 60 minutes. one woman whom i spoke with such a was 5 years old when she was taken from her family in 1960. she says she witnessed the sexual abuse of a cousin by a priest at a school and saw with the schools the tunnel double generations in her family. >> did you see the impact of this place on your mom? >> yes. >> how? >> drinking a lot. being mean to me. and it impacted us. me, my brother, my siblings.

>> what was done to her, she passed on to you. >> to me, yes. >> what was done to you and others here -- >> was passed on to my children. this is why sometimes i go into my range of anger, and i cry. because it was all done to us. all of us. but it's going to stop now. >> you believe that? >> it is. i'm breaking the cycle with my great grandchildren. >> aboriginal peoples based and ottawa said it welcomed the pope's apology and called for concrete actions to educate them about history. that's it for us. the news continues. don lynn into night. >> thank you for bringing light to that, anderson. great reporting. see you tomorrow evening.