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cell phone, this is one permitting them to look at the contents of the cell phone. eastman is the one who cooked up the dubious rationale for overturning the election. also cassidy hutchinson, former white house aide to mark meadows, is cooperating with the department of justice. that's according to a source with knowledge of the discussions. and it comes with a caveat. we don't yet know the extent of her cooperation. we're learning, though, that she's not alone. this morning, an acquaintance of hers, alyssa farah griffin, said she is, quote, aware of other white house officials who is been reached out to by the department and are planning to cooperate, end quote. she was more specific when asked about it this afternoon. >> there was someone else in the broader network who i would consider mid level that could support what they're looking into specifically around similar questions to what short was asked about, which is the pressure campaign on mike pence in the days leading up to

january 6th, the schemes of things like fake electors and even some of these creative ways certain officials at the department of justice wanted to bypass the law to try to hold on to victory. >> the short she referred to there is former mike pence chief of staff marc short who testified before the grand jury. greg jacobs also testified, which doesn't necessarily confirm the prosecutors are planning to make the former president's campaign to pressure mike pence into doing his bidding part of a case against him. but short's and jacobs' testimony also with what alyssa farah griffin just said might suggest it, as well as "the washington post" does, that they've asked questions about hours about the scheme. the news of cassidy hutchinson testimony is also suggesting because of what she can tell the prosecutors about the willingness to turn a mob, some of whom he knew to be armed, on

the capitol and refused to call them off. consider what she's already said to the house select committee. >> i was in the vicinity of a conversation where i overheard the president say something to the effect of, i think they have weapons. they're not here to hurt me. take the fing mags away. let my people in. they can march the capitol from here. the let the people in. >> i saw mr. cipollone that morning and mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we're going to get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of, the rioters have got ton the capitol, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of -- and very clearly

said this to mark -- something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be be done or people are going to die and the blood's going to be on your fing hands. >> the pat in this case is pat cipollone, who's cooperation with the justice department, if any is unknown. mark is mark meadows, and he is another piece of the puzzle. we already know that mr. meadows has handed over thousand of text messages to the select committee. yet despite being cited for contempt of congress for refusing to testify, the justice department has declined to prosecute him, which raises questions about whether he too might be cooperating. it's something legal experts, including harvard law school's laura tribe. mark meadows walked away from the question. >> [ inaudible question ]

>> i don't comment on any of it. >> did you skl for a pardon? >> i don't comment on anything on january 6th. i appreciate the job you're doing, but i don't comment on anything. >> today we know people like cipollone and other people will talk about what you were doing in those 187 minutes leading up to the attack. aides that worked for you, like cassidy hutchinson, have testified against what you said and what you were doing that day. do you have any response for cassidy hutchinson? have you spoken to cassidy hutchinson before or after her testimony? >> as i said, i don't comment on anything on january 6th, guys. i appreciate the job you're doing. >> have you been in touch with members of congress about asking for pardons? >> is there anything related to january 6th that worries that you? are you cooperating with the committee? >> do you think donald trump

committed a crime for his inaction on january 6th? >> you will make the announcement about the next elections related to january 6th. what about that comment? >> the president's opinions obviously speak for themselves. >> would you continue to work with him? again. g i'm not commenting on anything that relates to the president running or january 6th. >> we've seen behind the scenes footage. we've seen your texts in real time. is there anything you want to say about those 187 minutes and that day? >> obviously, i'm not commenting on anything on january 6. >> so, he's not commenting, as you probably picked up from that, not to reporters anyway. however, merrick garland is. whatever happens next would be his call. he's now on record saying he would prosecute anyone up to and

including the president of the united states even if he's the presidential candidate again. >> we intend to hold everyone, anyone, who is criminally responsible for events surrounding january 6, for any attempt to interfere with the lawful transfer of power from one administration to another accountable. that's what we do. we don't pay any attention to other issues with respect to that. >> so, donald trump were to become a candidate for president again, that would not change your schedule or how you move forward or don't move forward? >> say again that we will hold accountable anyone who was criminally responsible for attempting to interfere with the transfer, legitimate lawful transfer of power from one administration to the next. >> who that might be remains perhaps the biggest missing piece of the puzzle. we begin with ryan nobles at the capitol. what are you learning about mike

pompeo's interactions with the january 6th committee tee? >> we know pompeo and his team have been sit being the committee. that is an important development because we know that the committee has been especially interested in members of the trump cabinet. and i'm told that is because they're very interested in conversations related to the 25th amendment after what took place on january 6th. there have been several cabinet members that have already come before the committee. we've seen some of their depositions during the select committee hearings and with some of the video deposition clips that the committee's released, including chris miller, who is the acting secretary of defense. they just released some of his deposition this week. of course the acting attorney general jeff rosen. and also the then-labor secretary eugene scalia. we know they talked to cabinet secretaries. they could have talked to cabinet secretaries we don't even know about yet. this also shows us while the department of justice obviously expanding their investigation,

the january 6th select committee is far from being finished. >> what about cassidy hutchinson? we know about the access she had during her time in the white house. how valuable a witness could she be for the justice department's investigation? the -- some of what she said was based on -- was hearsay, was things she had overheard other people say. >> it's a great point, anderson. and all we know about her engagement with the department of justice right now is that she's cooperating. we don't know if she sat for an interview yet, if she appeared before the grand jury. but what we've seen her testify to under oath certainly serves as a roadmap for department of justice investigators. and it also could lead them to other potential witnesses that they could bring in and ask questions to and the subpoena power of the doj is a bit easier to enforce than that of the january 6 select committee. so, hutchinson, no doubt s a

very key witness for the department of justice. we saw how many of the revelations that the committee were able to bring forward kind of exploded around the hutchison testimony she provided in that hearing. when you couple that with what you heard from john eastman, that the committee not just interested in what they found on eastman during a search of him a couple of weeks ago but that they are now specifically seeking access to his cell phone. that shows exactly where the department of justice is headed and it couples with what mart guardland told nbc this week, that it is not just about the riot itself but also the attempts to stand in the way of the peaceful transfer of power. and that just shows how serious things are getting in the department of justice. perspective now from harvard law professor lawrence tribe, coauthor of "the power to end a presidency." i want to get to the criminal probe in a moment. what are your thoughts on former secretary of state mike pompeo

potentially sitting for an interview with the select committee. >> it's clear that the select committee is interested in why there was discussion within the cabinet of invoking the 25th amendment, which would essentially have sidelined the former president. that amendment is there only for purposes of removing from power someone who can no longer safely exorcise it. what led them to think that this man was so out of control that he could no longer be trusted with the presidency. finding out in detail what he said to them or what he said in their presence could be invaluable in deciding whether he is a continuing threat and what his state of mind was leading up to and during the violent insurrection. >> we've learned that federal prosecutors are investigating the former president's conversations. they've seized phone records of top aides. as we've heard cassidy

hutchinson is cooperating with the justice department. we don't know to what degree at this point. what does it tell you overall about the scope, the focus, of this federal investigation? >> well, especially in the context of what merrick garland said to lester holt, what it tells me is that they are looking at the entire scheme to prevent the lawful transfer of power. it's a scheme that we now have reason to believe began right at the time of the election, continued into december, was not simply at or around the january 6th insurrection. and every indication is that they're looking at the fake elector scheme. they're looking at the pressure on the vice president. they're looking at the threats to his life. they're looking at the way in which the president encouraged, assembled, and basically aimed an angry mob at the capitol. they're looking at all of it.

and merrick garland couldn't have been clearer than he intends through the department of justice to completely hold responsible even the former president of the united states. >> do you believe merrick garland would do that? obviously it's one thing to say it. obviously there's tremendous pressure and it would raise all sort of political questions and accusations of politics if somebody -- a former president who, if he's running for office again, was charged with something. >> do i believe him? absolutely. i've known him for 50 years. he was my student. he is a straight shooter. i believe every word he says. and they're very measured words. he clearly believes that it would undermine democracy, not to mention the integrity of the justice department and his own legacy, for him to allow a former president simply by waving a magic wand and saying,

i think i'm going to surround myself with the shield of being a candidate, you can't get me now. he's not going to allow that. if he were -- if he were, anderson, then he clearly was mislead lg the american people in what he told lester holt. and it's just not in his nature to be sneaky. >> we heard ryan nobles reporting about the second warrant to search the cell phone of this trump lawyer, john eastman. what do you think the significance of that is? >> well, i think it's significant, because as the u.s. supreme court has said, when you search the contents of a cell phone, you're searching somebody's entire life. you're searching all of their movements with people they talk to, their texts, everything. originally, i think it was on june 22nd, they simply had a warrant to seize the physical object. the only way they could get a warrant from a federal judge to search the contents of the phone

is to persuade a federal judge that those contents contain evidence of specific federal crimes. and the only crimes that eastman seems to have been involved with are crimes that involve helping donald trump stay in office by any means possible however illegal. so, i think that's a very strong sign that the department of justice is pursuing the entire conspiratorial arrangement. >> finally with mark meadows, the fact that -- i mean, do you think he is cooperating already? do you think it likely that he would cooperate? >> well, i have no way of reading his mind, but i can tell you that the strongest plausible reason that the department of justice decided and announced it was deciding not to prosecute him for contempt of congress the way they did bannon is that they have higher plans in store for

him. that probably means prosecuting him for part of the conspiracy, seditious conspiracy, punishable by 20 years in prison. that would give him quite incentive to flip on his boss. >> lawrence tribe, great to talk to you. i appreciate it. coming up next, what the former acting defense secretary told the house select committee told about ordering national guard troops into the capitol for the sixth. also tonight, cnn exclusive reporting on what the biden administration is offering russia for the return of brittney griner and paul whelan. starting your buick enclave. i just love our new alexa. dad, it's a buick. i love that new alexa a smell. it's a buick. we need snacks for the team. alexa, take us to the nearest grocery store. getting directions. alexa will get us there in no time. it's a buick. let's be real. don't make me turn this alexa around.

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their assault. the committee released video bolstering that case and undermining this key claim about the sixth. >> as many as 10,000 yard troops were told to be on trhe ready b the secretary of defense. that was a direct order from president trump. >> that was former chief of staff mark meadows a month after the assault. and here's the former president. >> i definitely gave the number of 10,000 national guardsmen. i think you should have 10,000 of the national guard ready. they took that number, from what i understand, they gave it to the people at the capitol, which is controlled by pelosi. and i heard they rejected it because they didn't think it would look good. >> now, here's christopher miller who is acting defense secretary at the time appearing before select committee. >> there was no order for president trump to put 10,000 troops to be on the ready for

january 6th, correct? >> yeah -- no. that's correct. there was no order from the president. >> the story was not quite and dry. although the former president never gave a direct order, miller told ""vanity fair"," quote, you're going to need 10,000 people. miller went on to say, quote, and we're like, maybe. the former president said, quote, you do what you need to do. again, not an order. as the post fact checker points out, he did know how to order the national guard into action, as he did in june of 2020 when federal authorities used flash bangs to clear the way for a presidential photo opportunity outside the white house. republican senator for maine joins me now.

are you surprised that the former acting secretary of defense's testimony debunks the lies from the former president and mark meadows? and what would be the process for a president to actually order it, order troops in. >> sure. a president at any time could order the national guard to be activated as such. the very reluctant to do that, particularly we have the -- law. we have rules of engagement that have to be very clearly defined. you can't just give an order and say, carry it out. you have to have rules in place at some point along the chain of command. dealing with the district of columbia is a bit different because it's not a state. it doesn't have a governor. so, you would have basically the mayor of the city making a request that would go to the joint force's headquarters in d.c., the national guard, who would then report up to the secretary of the army. and, again, it's complicated because under the existing

structure, the president is the commander in chief. he's delegated authority on the national guard to the secretary of the army -- secretary of defense, rather -- who then delegated to the secretary of the army. so, very complicated it all being changed. here's why what's clear to me at least with the acting secretary of defense, number one, remember on january 3rd, ten former secretaries of defense wrote an open letter to the pentagon saying, remember your oath of office. do not allow the military to be used for political purposes. your oath is to the constitution and not to any one president. secondly, we're finding out that it's unlikely that they were ordered to put 10,000 troops in because the president didn't want the national guard to foil his plan to have his ambermed

insurrectionists deploying in the capitol. that would have been an untolerable situation with the president of the united states using the military to use armed force against peaceful -- at that point -- demonstrators. so, i don't believe the president gave that order. he may have done it a year before, back in june 2020. he made the statement he wanted to have 10,000 troops go into the various cities where black people essentially supported by their white counterparts and associates were demonstrating against the police shooting and killing unarmed black men and women. then he said, i want 10,000 troops. he did not, i believe, say it here or they would have been deployed. >> i want to play something the former president said in his event just yesterday. let's watch. >> and where there is a true and total breakdown of law and order, where citizens' most basic rights have been violated, then the federal government can

and should send the national guard to restore order and secure the peace without having to wait for the approval of some governor that thinks its politically incorrect to call them in. the next president needs to send the national guard to the most dangerous neighborhoods in chicago until safety can be successfully restored, which can happen very, very quickly. >> beyond his weird teleprompter reading right now, does that make any sense to you? there's a reason the president isn't sending troops into cities at the drop of a hat. >> whatever happened to states' rights? i thought that was a fundamental tenet of the conservative party's philosophy, that we allow states to control their own citizens. in the event that any state governor said, i'm being overrun by protesters, i can't control it, civil authority is breaking down, he can then request the

president to send in troops to help him out. in extraordinary circumstances, whether there's a flood, a hurricane, where they're losing all forms of law and order, the president might under those circumstances act. but one other thing to keep in mind here, we supported -- we put a letter out warning the pentagon not to engage or recommend the insurrection act, the invocation. in our past, i want to think about the irony involved here. in the past, the insurrection act, which was passed in 1807 was invoked first by president eisenhower to help black children have safe passage into school. it was done by president kennedy for the same reason, to help black people have entry into our public schools. in this particular case, uyou have a president, a former president, who wanted to consider using the insurrection act to go after people protesting killing of black

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soufrs plus say in an effort to secure americans brittney griner and paul whelan, griner testified in russia today in her ongoing drug trial. during that testimony, griner said she had no intention of smuggling drugs to russia and she didn't understand how the cannabis oil ended up in her luggage. her detention, search, and arrest was improper. whelan has been held by russia since 2018 on espionage allegations. boot is serving a 25 year prison sentence in the u.s. joining me now is kaitlan collins and abby phillip. why did the administration decide to make this proposal public? >> they said this was a decision to make this. it's rare to announce details

about a prisoner swap before it's taken place. it's typically done entirely behind the scenes. but they said that a lot of factors went into this, anderson. and i think really what it has to do with is the timing here. this was a proposal the united states made to russia back in june. of course it is now almost august, and clearly russia has not responded, not at least in a substantive way. i'm told they've only acknowledged yes they received the offer from the united states. i should note u.s. officials have not confirmed it was viktor bout for paul whelan and brittney griner. i think the timing is concerned them. this is someone they know russia very much wants, yet russia has not engaged with them. that's why they want to make sure they're talking about this, putting their proposal out there. maybe it will increase pressure on the russians to accept a deal like this. that remains to be seen. but it is clear that the timing is a consideration here because they have not gotten a real

response from the russians yet on this front. >> i know you reached out to the griner family to get their reaction. have you heard anything? >> i think they're being very careful at this moment. and it's partly because of what kaitlan is referring to. this particular moment is a delicate one. the trial for brittney griner is ongoing. they don't expect that it will conclude until about the first week of august. and they also don't expect, from what i've heard from the people in the griner family and the griner camp, they don't expect a whole lot of movement until after this legal process or whatever it is is concluded. they are happy this is out there, that the offer has been made. they've been pushing for this publicly and privately for quite some time, but also being extraordinarily careful to wait for this process in russia to play out and hoping that at the end of that process that this public pressure now from the biden administration urges

russia to come to the table and do a deal. >> kaitlan, is it clear how much president biden was involved in this proposal? >> he approved it. and something this high level obviously goes straight to the president for his approval before an actual proposal like this is made. what's interesting about this is this is not something that officials at the justice department wanted to see. they are not often fans of prisoner swaps, and you can understand why. people are one of the people who can prosecute viktor bout. you can hear from them. they don't want to hear just an exchange, especially given he is serving a 25-year sentence. he's described as this bad guy by prosecutor who is worked on that case. they don't often like to see something like this, but they recognize it's a reality. president biden is the one who really weighs the risks there and makes the decision. he did make the decision to override any justice department complaints or protests of engaging in this and offering viktor bout in this prisoner swap. so, he was involved in that matter.

obviously he hasn't been involved directly in offering this to the russians, which we're told has been made multiple times through several different channels. i asked, does president biden himself need to get involved in this. they didn't say yes or no yet, anderson. >> and abby, i know you spoke with brittney griner's wife last month about a potential prisoner exchange. what did she say? >> i raised this very prospect with her. and she answered carefully but directly that she wanted to see the biden administration do whatever was necessary. take a listen. >> to be very honest with you, i don't really listen to much of the talk about the how in measures of, you know, what is necessary to get her home. but if that's what's necessary, then, yes, do it. i want us to be able to say yes to what they want because i want my wife back. so, i'm hopeful because our government is telling me she's a priority. so, i'm very hopeful that

whatever they're ask is, that our government loves my wife as much as i do, that they're willing to say yes because at the end of the day, no russian is worth more than b.g. to me. >> and keep in mind, anderson, that viktor bout obviously is a convicted criminal. but he's also served quite a lot of his sentence. and the argument that some people make is that while he's a high value prisoner for putin, he's also someone who is nearing actually the end of his prison sentence here in the united states, making a swap like this something that ought to be on the table. >> appreciate it. thank you. just hours ago a surprise deal was announced in the senate for a bill nearly everyone thought was dead. after more than a year of negotiations, chuck schumer and joe manchin reached a deal on an energy health care bill. joining us from capitol hill, jessica dean. what is this bill? >> it appears to have risen from the dead. and what is most surprising

about this agreement from chuck schumer and joe manchin is that it includes tax provisions and climate provisions. you'll remember not too long ago we were talking about how senator manchin had said he wouldn't be supporting any of those things. this agreement that we heard about and reported on late this afternoon would include a corporate minimum, a 15% minimum corporate tax. it would also include climate provisions that aim to reduce ca carbon emissions by 40%. and it would also allow medicare to negotiate drug prices and extend these aca, these affordable care act, subsidies for americans out there who rely on those to pay for insurance. again, anderson, as this news came to be, we were talking to senators. they were walking onto the senate floor to vote. senate democrats, they're going to need all 50 of them to get this through. we were asking them what their reaction was, and a lot of them didn't know much of anything about this deal.

they were still getting information. we do know they will be meeting tomorrow as a group, where they are expected to get this all laid out. and again, we must underscore this is the democrats' only bill. so, they need all 50 senate republicans, and it's got to go to the house where of course speaker pelosi is working with that very small vote margin. >> do we know what changed senator manchin's mind? >> at this point we know after he said he would not be supporting those climate tax provisions, he and schumer restarted their negotiations after july 19th and came to a deal today. so, this has all been in the last several days that this has all developed. and, again, it's been something, as we've talked about, that they've negotiated. it's gone from some $3.5 trillion, build back better all the bay down to something we thought would be even more narrow than what we saw today. and it's worth noting senator joe manchin has been out of the capitol physically. he's been recovering from covid.

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another cnn exclusive now. rosa flores sat down with the principal of robb elementary school, who has been placed on administrative leave with pay. her name is mandy gutierrez, and it's her first interview since a damning report that included criticism of school safety. >> when i was calling chief arredondo, i heard three shots, the initial three shots. >> reporter: the principal of robb elementary school in uvalde breaking her silence and answering questions about allegations of lax security at the school. >> i believe that i did my job to the best of my abilities. >> reporter: while law enforcement's handling of that ill-fated day has seen the most scrutiny up to now, the families of the victims -- >> y'all do not give a damn about our children or us. >> reporter: -- turning their

calls for accountability towards the school administration, including the principal, who says she was suspended with pay this week pending a performance review relating to campus security. last school year was her first year as principal. >> every -- starting at that school, at robb, that principal needs to be gone. all of the school board needs to be gone. >> i believe they're entitled to their opinion. i followed the training that i was provided with to the best of my abilities. >> reporter: the texas house investigative committee report revealed that robb elementary had a culture of non-compliance with safety policies, requiring doors to be kept locked, which turned out to be fatal. gutierrez responding to that criticism. was there a culture of non-compliance at robb elementary? >> absolutely not. any time that an alert went out, every single teacher on that campus took it to mean it could be a potential escalating

situation. and so every -- everybody follows protocol. >> reporter: so, you disagree with the findings of the texas house report. >> i disagree. >> reporter: according to the report, a coach that was somewhere on property saw the gunman jump this fence. she used her radio to report it. the principal tried to initiate a lockdown using a software application, but the wifi was bad, and she did not use the school intercom. >> it could potentially magnify the situation. >> reporter: that's the door the gunman used to enter the school. according to the report, the door was unlocked. had the door been locked, as the policy required, it would have slowed down the gunman. instead, surveillance video showed the gunman walked into the building through an unlocked door. >> why was that door unlocked that day? >> i am not sure why that door was unlocked. >> so that door was normally

locked during the day? >> always locked. >> always? >> yes. >> reporter: then walked into a classroom, the report also states that the principal, teachers, and even many fourth grade students widely knew of the problem with the lock to room 111, but no one placed a work order to repair the lock, not the principal, not anyone else. gutierrez disputes that account. >> what i know for a fact is that the door to room 111 did in fact lock. >> it did? >> the teacher has to use the key to spr. >> so, somehow the report says that it was likely unlocked. so, somehow it could have been unlocked on that day. >> it's possible. >> reporter: some of the families of the victims say any safety lapses were inexcusable. >> what did you tell her? >> you failed our children. you failed our children. >> i am very close to my staff and my students.

and many of their families. it is an unimaginable pain to know that we don't have those individuals with us anymore and that there's families that are missing their loved ones every single day. >> and rosa flores joins us now. have you gotten a response from the school district or the texas investigative committee about your interview. >> the texas house investigative committee issuing a statement to cnn saying they stand by their report, that it is based on multiple interviews with multiple entities. as for the school district, anderson, they responded to our request, but they said they're too busy right now because they've had too many media requests. >> and does the district attorney have any update on their investigation? >> you know, we got an update from her today. the d.a. says that the investigation is ongoing. she says that right now investigators are trying to sync

all of the videos, surveillance videos, body camera videos, to actual time, and that that has not been completed yet. and anderson, i asked her about seeking justice, if she would actually charge law enforcement. and she replied and said that she will not hesitate to indict a law enforcement officer if the law allows. >> all right. >> anderson? >> rosa flores, appreciate it. thank you. coming up on the day the federal reserve announced another major interest rate hike to tackle inflation, gary tuchman reports on one beloved american classic that's as cheap as it was almost 40 years ago. whwhen you have technology that's easier to control... that can scale across all your clouds... we got that right? yeah, we got that. it's easier to be an innovator. so you can do more incredible things. [whistling]

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all the wrong economic numbers in this country appear to be going up. but one, z even as the federal reserve sent its benchmark this week to ward off inflation at a 40-year high and even as housing prices are out of the reach of many americans, there is one cost bucking a trend. one a vegetarian can appreciate. here's gary with the dog deal of summer. >> reporter: a typical scene as a costco warehouse. lots of shoppers looking for good deals on items ranging from

paper towels to big screen tvs. but among many costco customers, there is an emotional attachment to one thing in particular, a hot dog that's inflation proof. how much did you pay for that hot dog? >> hot dogs, $1.50 with the soda as well. >> ladies, all three of you enjoying hot dogs. how come you come here for hot dogs? >> because they're $1.50. >> reporter: if i told you that this hot dog and a soft drink that you can refill as many times as you want has been $1.50 for almost 40 years, would you believe that? >> i believe it because i've been buying it. >> reporter: since 1985, it has sold 1.6 billion hot dogs at stores around the world. and despite inflation now and in the past, the price has stayed exactly the same for all those years. >> out had old are you? >> 29. >> how old are you? >> 30. >> how old snu.

>> 36. >> these drinks have been $1.50 with a drink for longer than you have been alive. >> we've been going to costco since we were kids with our parents, so, that's how we know. >> reporter: if the price had kept pace with inflation, that would cost more than $4. this store alone sold an average of almost 1,000 dogs a day in the last week. costco loses quite a bit of money on hot dogs. >> this is the only place i eat hot dogs from. i don't eat hot dogs anywhere else. i don't even buy hot dogs. this is the only place i buy hot dogs. >> the company recognizes the sanctity of the symbolism of the $1.50 price point. so, costco is publicly declaring it has no plans to raise the price of its hot dog. >> it's the one thing i can depend on being the same price. >> i think it's great and it's probably the best hot dog i've ever had. i don't eat other hot dogs. >> reporter: and frankly not increasing the price looks like

a shrewd business move. >> do you think you do more shopping at costco because you can get hot dogs? >> yes. >> reporter: it makes you shop at costco more? >> es why, yes. >> reporter: the fact they have low hot dog prices. >> first of all, i want a hot dog now. i understand there was some discussion about raising the price of the combo at some point. >> right. but these executives at costco are very aware they would anger their loyal hot dog lovers if they raised the price too much. and we know that firsthand because several years ago there was an interesting article in a business magazine called "425 business." there was an interview with the ceo. there's no video of it, but i want to read two sentences from it. it's funny and interesting. the decree was talking about the former ceo and the cofounder of costco. the quote is, i came to him once, and i said, jim, we can't sell this hot dog for a buck 50. we are losing our rear ends. he said, if you'll raise the

price of the fing hot dog, i will kill you. and fing, to be honest, is not an euphemism for frankfurter. there are also other items at the costco that have also stayed the same for years. rotisserie chicken is $4.99. i know you're a vegetarian. did you eat one? those look good. >> in my college career, four years, i ate more hamburgers, hot dogs, and cheese steaks, than i should have. >> appreciate it. thank you. still to come, a special 100th birthday message for the man responsible for some soft funniest moments in u.s. television hisistory. [water splashes]s] is it on the green? [g[goose squawks] i was just looking for r my ball. 19th hole, sam adams summer a ale. [goose squawks] (here you go.) (cheers guys!) new astepro allergy.

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>> if there's a secret, there are two little words i don't think we pay enough attention to. over and next. when something is over, it is over. and we are onto next. and if there was a hammock in the middle, that would be the best way i know of identifying living the expression, living in the moment. so, i like to think of living in the moment. i spent the last -- days since i knew we were going to be talking looking forward to this moment. and i adore living it. >> he adores living each moment. an excellent suggestion for how to live in these complicated times. happy birthday norman leer. and have you for all you have done. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> it is taking all i have not to sing the "maude" theme song