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be safe. i am le clos, this is cnn tonight. federal prosecutors taking aim directly at donald trump's own words and deeds. the proof? the aggressive court fights, they're gearing up for and who might be trying to hide behind privilege. so for those of you who thought that all the privilege issues that have been resolved, think again. cnn has exclusive reporting. the doj is prepping for a kind of constitutional showdown over whether there is in fact any applicable privilege that could possibly shield the president. or any of his former officials about what? their communications with him when he was the president. now the department they want to take the muscle off, of course. and keep in mind went to former pence aides testified to the federal grant tree, there have been a deal that's already it go shaded in advance to try and stay clear of any of their direct interactions with trump. that happens to be the same approach we have seen used by the house select committee. but the fact that the doj is

sort of dotting their eyes and dotting the t's and preparing for a court battle over a potential executive privilege issue, signals that if information is what you want, the negotiation approach, let alone the muscle isn't going to cut it. now, remember, concerns about privileged are believed to be why they chose not to pursue any contempt of congress charges against mark meadows or against could be no, as opposed to a course de benin and navarro. at the same time, the department has now greenlight all of the access to the house select committee's transcripts. that is more than about 1000 witnesses, i might add. and, in the word of chairman bennie thompson, no one the committee has talked to its off limits. now, that list is about to include some household names. including some with potential political features. this is of unique outside into the chaos of the administration, of course after the capitol was attacked. and, today was former acting

white house chief of staff nick mulvaney. at the time, he had been serving overseas. but, he has certainly not been shy about what he saw as a dysfunctional executive branch. >> the west wing was broken, it was not functioning properly. and, the committee is really moving up the totem pole from assistant, to some of the highest positions in government. they did a review of trump secretary review of the summary. who is one of only four cabinet secretaries who served for the entire trump administration. we know that former director national intelligence, john ratcliffe, is in talks. as is former acting homeland security secretary, chad wolf. and, former secretary of state of potential 2024 candidate, mike pompeo who had this to say on fox. >> as i always did, when i was in service to america, i'm happy to cooperate with things that are fair and transparent

and deliver good outcomes for the american people. >> of course, second later, he had this part. >> it's been a monkey court, it's been a circus, it's been totally unfair. >> so, cooperate? no? talk? no? not in clearly clear as of yet. hopefully the committee has an answer. we hope that one of the topics of the committee wants to learn about it just how serious the cabinet members were about trying to remove trump from power. by way of the 25th amendment. which, we know from sworn testimony, pompeo was worried enough to give mark meadows a heads up about the prospect. >> mr. pompeo reached out to have a conversation, they hadn't heard the discussion among cabinet secretaries. >> now, as we know, in the words of sean hannity's own text messages. quote, yes, the impeachment and

25th amendment are real. now, political issues say, it is never a good look when your highest profile supporters are talking about whether two more weeks of you being in office poses a threat to the country. and, it's 14 days to long. and it feels like mike pompeo sees the same polls as we, do where the majority of republicans, they now want someone other than trump in 2024. it seems to be opening a bit of the floodgates. and, of course, the benin just showed what happened when you refused to cooperate with the committee. >> i want to talk about this a former federal prosecutor, shed, willfully democratic senator, doug jones and former rnc communications director doug. hi all of you have the former. but you're all presently. here i'm, sorry to say former -- you are all currently expert to all of these topics. i have to ask, you when you hear about the privileges used more broadly, i mean, it's a bit more nuanced, right? not just who might have the privilege, biden said he's not going to assert the privilege

here. but they are kind of figuring out, is this effect we can win if we go there. is it smart? >> it's smart to figure that out. and really, this is a role that agent garland was going to do. he's a federal court of appeals judge for most of his career. so he's a good guy to lead the doj into this kind of legal fight. that's the good news. i think the bad news is that it's still going to take a while. anywhere between months to maybe even longer. trump's people want to play this up through the district court. court of appeal and then going to the supreme court where we could have a big long talk about which way that's going to go depending on the road. >> i mean, you're at the intersection of a former prosecutor, and also a member of congress, the idea that, you know you had the wilts of justice turning. but you have the bureaucratic wheel turning them, back sometimes and being so in contempt of the. but also to the port of paralysis. and i wonder what do you make of the timing of that contemplation. >> well, i think that it clearly stent of the fact that

they're going to play the old equivalent of the four corners offense in north carolina. >> that's my motto. >> all right, so you know exactly what i'm talking about. on the clock. outscore solace you can. score enough to win. that is what this is all about. i don't think that the really have much of a legal standing. and, remember, this is not the january six committee where the remedy is contempt and a misdemeanor. even if it is from a misdemeanor that kind of froze over for steve bannon. this is more of a contempt of a grand jury subpoena. this is going to be much more serious. they can hold them in jail until day, you know purged themselves of the content that is the case. i think this is a delaying tactic. and i agree with channing, exactly, this is the kind of thing that they have been preparing for. they knew it was coming. they have got their legal briefs already to go. >> but, some of the people, and obviously we talk a lot about former president donald trump.

but there are a lot of people who want to be the next republican president. we're watching, this i'm sure you can imagine, they think of themselves, all, right how can i make this in my benefit. how do i make sure that while they're running out the clock to have the privilege issue, i am ramping up my ability to be the next viable candidate? >> well, you do the thing, simultaneously if you, can you do what you can, do and you do what you hope to. so, when you see mike pompeo talking about is to operate in anything. because you have to do what he has to. but he also has to do what he wants to as a potential candidate. which is done to criticize the process and so forth. i would say, when mike pompeo was a member of congress, he was one of the members who voted to hold eric holder in contempt on the guns issue. and, fast and furious. so the point for republicans knowing that is one congress answer something, the answer is yes. and it's just as quickly as possible. so, for those people in the trump administration who have defied that, they do so at their own peril. some of whom have gotten away

with the. but a lot of whom who may not. >> we're also getting really close to donald trump. i mean before was cassidy hutchinson, and there was a discussion up, i don't know who this person is. the idea of who is this person is we got. then you've got the idea of, well, it's this person. the chief aide of mike pence. now it's pompeo. it's to make mulvaney. it's mnuchin. you've heard of them, none of whom are coffee boys, right? but the ideas that may be, well i don't know, maybe chai latte. but they're getting closer and closer here. does that tell you something about the focus of the federal prosecutors now? >> i think it tells us that the focus is where it supposed to be. i don't know if it can make the jump on people were talking about, but now we could say there's an investigation on trump. i mean, i would assume these questions about trump would have been asked when folks were in the grander, where they answer not different questions. it's just that we are hearing, for the first time the confirmation that they were asking about trump. so, i don't agree quite there

yet. nor will garland be rushed to shake that were investigating the former president. but they're certainly asking the right questions. and i think you could see how nervous trump's, because it seems like it may be accelerating his intentions to announce his candidacy. >> is the 25th amendment really the right focus? because on one hand he think to yourself, all right, look that shows a matter of the absence of capacity that people were urgent to try to remove the thought about it. but. if you're the doj you're thinking about intent and he needs to instate a bang to know what they were doing. so the discussion it that it will most likely be the notion of this person was not holding their oath any longer. was that the right focus? >> it can, be we don't know what they might say. we don't know what was going on there. and we just saw january, six and that insurrection or the police officers that, one woman was shot, it was unbelievable on violence. we don't, these folks they are responsible people. they may be afraid that there would be more violence in the coming days.

more violence at the inauguration. they may have been very worried about this. and it's not just the state of mind. but it might have been the only way that they could prevent that violence and do something at the time. so, we just don't know because we don't know what those comments were. but, i cannot imagine that it would be a privilege that anybody can exert between a conversation between mike pompeo and steve mnuchin. i have never, that is just beyond the bill. >> but is it a feather in the cup politically to now be called in? i mean you heard, for example, josh hawley saying that he doesn't regret anything about the fist bump in the. and thank you for the campaign finance and the financier giving me. is this a feather in the cap or somebody is a 2024 republican prospect to say, all right i'll come in and talk to you? >> you can benefit either. way if you say i could come in and talk to, and then you add that to the grandeur, good luck with that by the way. certainly, the january six committee. you can benefit from. that if you stall, you might be able to benefit as well but you

then would have to be in a position where you have some privilege issues. and one thing which remember, but we've seen so often in these january six hearings is that the committee knows more than we do. so now we need to see thus the grandeur no more than we do. does georgia know more than we do? and that's going to be one place that i think over the coming. and they know more than those witnesses due to, so it could go either way. but it could also go really bad. >> either way, we'll be watching along, thank you so much. you'll stick around with us here. so, the question really, is not for them but for the powers that maybe. are we in a recession or not? we have the president, the fetch, eat and a lot of economists saying, no. but, what about your bank account and your monthly statements? what are they telling? it will dive into the r-word next. plus, democrats are furious and some republicans are frustrated and sick veterans could be the ones that pay the price. because a bill to help them suddenly hit a giant wall of

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thing just yesterday. but, does it really matter what you call it? especially for anybody struggling to put food on the table? millions of families are now facing this new reality. >> i spent close to $400, and it wasn't even hardly on meat. because meat is so high. it was just, like bread, juice, stuff for my kids, snack. it's ridiculous. >> you have to decide if you're going to pay rent or go and buy food. >> and, on the cost of just about everything is going up and back to school time this year, for many, there is no way of spending the bill at checkout. you've got doug jones, doug, hi there with me. but let's bring in jeff stein, the white house economic reporter for the washington post. we are all going to have a wimbledon start to right now, as you all look to give us the expertise. because look, tomato, tomato. they're saying it's not a recession but does that technical decision, that's

decided by eight economists in the world in the country, does that really ring true for people? is it true we are not really anyone? or, are we talking about semantics? >> so, the right house is correct that at some level to a negative quarter of gdp it is both not necessarily meeting that we're in a recession, which to which they declared these things. he looks at a range of statistics. many of which is still positive and, the president alluded. two but to your fundamental, point so much of the economy, so much of that kind of a policy of psychological and nature. we see someone else on our, block maybe the two dogs pulling back investment, pulling back spending. and that affects what we do. and, so over the next few months, what is very scary is the possibility that the gains that we have made coming out of covid over the last year, it can go backwards. and, we had a really bad sign of that today. investment, which is normally the first thing to go on a downstream, we saw the big decline cratering or residential investment. which means the housing market is trying to pull, back which is scary. we saw a slight decline in

business investment, which is also. scary consumption from consumers of average people, which they also pulled back and in a way, that is scary. the fact that we have low unemployment is a buffer. but, how long that buffer lasts, and how meaningful it is, what to see. >> i mean, you have to wonder, can you course correct? the idea of thinking about, is a psychological. and the idea of how one. feels oftentimes, policy decisions are driven by how you perceive your constituents. you're going to feel about an issue. you've got this inflation reduction act from senator manchin and senator schumer. and then, well, that in your mind will bring this down? will it sort of align the feelings of the electorate and those who are consumers of what's actually in the bill? >> i think it's going to help. clearly. you've got a big bill, democrats have been looking to lower the cost of prescription drugs for a long, long time. particularly allowing medicare to negotiate those prices. we've got climate issues. and, as jeff, said a lot of this is psychological. so, these winds like this will help. it will help when people go to

the gas pump. and they see the price down 60 cents or so over the last five or six weeks. and, they are pulling back on a lot of consumer spending. but it is also on consumer goods. and that is not necessarily a bad thing, i don't think, for the economy. it's all supply and demand has really hurt us a little. bit, so i am not as bear shown all of this as people are. i know that people are suffering. and that they are going to continue for a little bit. but i think that there's light at the end of the tunnel. i think that the policies that are being put in place with this bill, and the things that the administration is a path that topping. and i think people will recognize. that and that is what they want. they want to know somebody is working for them. and i think that that's the key. >> well, the question in helping, it seems relative,? right i, mean you're telling me that i'm going to spend seven or $8 in california on a dozen of eggs. which, for those of you who still go, shopping me, right here, that's a very high price. and, the idea that maybe now it's $6.

still not going to be good if it's helpful. i, mean is that going to be part of the psychology here? >> i think it's part of the challenge for the biden administration and, the bench-ness is the politics of. this, and the disconnect with this administration has done its rhetoric on how much trying to explain things, just explaining what people are feeling. so, we use the r-word. last, year they were using the t word, that is transitory. folks in america don't use transitory when they're talking about the price of their, eggs the gallon of, gas the gallon of milk, whatever it may be. and that's the emotional part of this for americans. we are still struggling. and, biden usually is our empathize and chief. he's always been very good at. this in this administration has really struggled here. and, partly explains why so much of the country's disapproving of his presidency. and he feels were on the wrong. track >> i, think part of the real problem is just to put the politics for aside for a second, economically, what the federal reserve is doing is raising interest rates, which means borrowing and sucking more demand of the economy. but the inflation you're talking, about is in part causing special war of ukraine

by short term supply and commodity shocks. so, the tools that the federal reserve in the central bank have to deal with higher inflation really are targeting demand. which has been supercharged over the last. your butt over 50% of the increase of inflation, recently, has been due to commodity shocks from the war in ukraine. and, so you have, what i think is a potentially devastating conversation of demand being crushed to deal with inflation. but the tool that's being used to crush that demand is not going to deal with the supply issue that's causing the problem right now. >> so, what else can be done? what else should be happening? i, mean those are two unprecedented bumps in many months, essentially that more insect ember are coming up their policy meeting. but, in that meantime, people are suffering. they were told, and nationally, by president biden patients would be the key. the invasion to ukraine, a global humanitarian crisis with the bread basket of europe not being impacted, the deals being made. i mean, look at africa. it's going to be coming from a

lost. there, but the patients factor, how does that weigh in? we're talking about the economy. i, mean it's one thing to have the esoteric debates between the eight economists. then there's the ready for americans. is patient really the requests? >> but the white house will tell, you and i think this is worth craig -- crediting them. because it's true. consumer bank accounts, spending, a lot of, care not just unemployment rate, were a lot then how much they were before covid. the white house would, say i think correctly, that our economic policies really helped ensure that we didn't have the same situation after 2008 recession. and, millions of people stayed unemployed for far too long. there was great horrific scarring. that, said over the last, year people have really felt like they're losing ground. because even if people are doing better than they were before with covid starting, since the last, year they have really been suffering. and to get to your point, the problem we are facing right now and that, you ask how do we deal with, it i ask economists this all day. they don't know. because normally, when we have the downturn, the tools that we

do is cut interest rates, expand -- increase federal spending, get people. cash that goes against the inflation imperative that were fighting against. so, the normal to get has been thrown out the window to deal with. this and that's part of the reason why it's so scary. >> well, what's also scary, taking away from the economy for a moment. the fact that a lot of people are looking at washington d.c. to solve problems. and, when we're on the cusp of solving a problem, sometimes politics takes right off the table, the burn pit legislation for example. i, mean you had some games it was snatched right back in a month ago was overwhelmingly bipartisan republican supporting it. yesterday, forget about. it republicans were not really supporting it they were touting it. they were talking about how proud they were to be able to do this for our veterans because they've given so much. and now, because they're pouting, literally they're pouting, they're acting like school kids, and taking their mobile roof and trying to go home. >> pouting about? it >> pouting because mcconnell, i'm sure, schumer and manchin came up with this deal, they think they got played.

they may have. this was not an agreement in principle yesterday, there was a 720 page bill that was introduced when this announced. mcconnell had -- that is going to protect us from china, hostage, so that he wouldn't get this reconciliation bill, will then look like he was gonna get reconciliation, so they went with the chips bill was passed, the minute it got passed, they come up with this and now, they pull back 86 senators. voted for that burn pit. i was a cosponsor of that. it is important, it is now the number one issue for all of the military veterans. and 86 senators, 36 republicans, voted for it, and now 41 decide, oh no, we're gonna punish the democrats for working on climate change working on on prescription drugs. doing all the things that are necessary. we're getting a play, only they're playing the veterans. >> it's awful. >> doug, you worked on a pr bill not including the burn

pits we want to disclose, this is the tactic? veterans as political pawns? >> yeah, i worked on the camp lagoon groundwater issue which are tucked into the bill, which is also an important bipartisan issue. look, i think when we see this kind of politics happening, often what happens is people get outrage for a few days, rightfully so quite often. and then there's a pullback. i would be surprised if we're still talking about this issue being held hostage certainly in the next week and a half, or coming out of the august recess. it should be passed. the majority in both houses supported, of both 40s, so we should get it done. but these are the politics, unfortunately, that happened quite often. they fortunate tend to be short term. >> but it's why congress is in such low esteem, even in the short term, they've got the lowest approval ratings of any government agency. >> wow. you know who had the highest, with those were willing to put their lives on the line for the country. veterans, -- thank you so much. >> russia might be trying to bring back the cold war, but

it's already brought back the cold shoulder. and giving it to secretary state, anthony blinken. so why isn't moscow jumping on the chance to get the merchant of death back? i'll ask his lawyer, next.

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so, after weeks of silence, russia has finally responded to the biden administration's peers prisoner swap proposal. wait for it. we'll get back to you. something along those particular lines. a spokesperson for russian foreign minister, sergei lavrov,

says he'll pay attention to the usta departments for talks when quote, time permits. meanwhile, the essence of americans brittney griner and paul whelan whom remain locked up in a russian prison. biden proposes swapping them for convicted russian arms dealer viktor bout, aka the merchant of death. so will russia agree? first, they have to pick up the phone. right? here to weigh in, bout attorney, steve these. you thank you for being here today. looking at this in hearing this, you also have to pare fair paraphrase, i'm going to pay attention when time permits. you have to wonder, why the lack of response? and does it worry you, obviously, your client is one of the people whose names being mentioned. are they essentially blowing off your client as well? is he no longer as important as they marked one said he was? >> well first, thanks for having me. miss coates, a pleasure to be here and be able to speak on behalf of mr. boot. look, i think don't think is

anything more than when the russians in the foreign ministry have been saying for sometime now. which is, we're going to wait until the judicial process, and grand mis-c reiner's case, concludes. when it's over, we're not gonna interfere with the judicial process, we're gonna let it happen, and when it's over will figure out what to do next so i don't think this minimize is their interest in getting victor home. they've been clear about that for, frankly, for more than a decade, he's been in jail for almost 15 years. he's ready to go home, they're ready to bring him back, but they do have a judicial process there and that's what they've said. i should say, miss coates, they've been saying that and they've done that with other cases in the past. they wait until the judicial process over than they figure with they're going to do next. >> well, it's true, they have said they have a process, but the thing is, for the very reason you talk about it, ten or 15 years in prison? why isn't there a fire lit under them to try and get the deal, there's paul whelan at

the very least, not including britney griner. paul whelan is already had his case fully adjudicated, he of course, protests his innocence to this very day. have there been conversations prior to even britney griner's arrest and now trial that would've included your client in a prisoner swap? >> look, there have been lots of proposals. but the reality is, i think paul whelan presents a difficult issue for the folks in russia, because, as you know, he was convicted of espionage. here he's used it a hostage. but in moscow, he's viewed as a notorious arms dealer. whereas here in the u.s., victories viewed as a notorious arms dealer, in moscow, he's a respected citizen who's a hostage. so, i think this is nothing more than the foreign ministry saying, look, we understand your proposal, we'll get to it. we are looking forward to talking to you about it, but, look some of, the things are

counterproductive while i under understand it understood the motivations for secretary blinken, going public with this complaint is just the opposite kind of approach you want to take when you're dealing with the russian government. again, i understand that the president wanted to communicate to the families that he was doing everything in his power, as president of the united states, to get them home. look, we all know that most important obligation of the president is to protect its citizens, i think joe biden has done a great job doing that. but at the same time, look, you've got to let it play out a little bit, and you really want to avoid making these public comments that again, the russian foreign ministry and spokesman have been saying, look, the more you're talking about this, the more complicated you're making it. >> why is that? the idea of, certainly, there were concerns early on in the arrest of britney griner, many people reacted. why are they just now hearing

about this? she had been detained but for many weeks by the time the american public generally knew about it. and the concern i believe was in part, we understand, that they didn't want to have it be a political pawn in a game happening right before injuring the invasion into ukraine. but i wonder when it comes to, especially, explaining if there have this been a proposal, doesn't it in a way give russia an upper to suggest that, hey look, we can be dismissive, or delay and not be urgent, to show a power dynamic that's upper and above the united states. why wouldn't be such -- to make it public? >> look, if you're asking me whether or not they're feeling a little slighted by the non stop discussions of americans in russian jails being hostages, and being wrongly held, and wrongfully detained, yeah, i think i'm not surprised that they're a little bit offended, because it's a constant attack on the russian system. russian trials were unfair, but u.s. for trials are fair, and

russian folks here get with get with that they deserve. it's the opposite there. you're thinking about it from the point of view of an american and what we get fed with here, but the reality is, there's a different point of view. it's not just the state department, mind you, have been quiet about it, remember, politicians are out there all the time talking about how terrible it is in russia, how we've got a free these hostages. look, even in your piece the other day, which was from an unnamed source talking about how we don't want to trade these innocent americans for these terrible russians. it's just an insult, that's not the way it's viewed their. and so, if you want to make this kind of thing happened, you really have to keep your mouth shut and keep tone the rhetoric down. >> well i'm so glad you did walk the program, but the word i use was parity, steve, and on the particular notion of the wrongful detainment as notion by the state department, part

of the concern for many people when discussing these issues, has a bit of about, and i understand the rhetoric on both sides, the notion about who is the bigger criminal, the parity issue in terms of prisoner swaps as you can imagine, is often about incentivizing for foreign nations, whether it's russia or other nations, believing if there's going to be a viable swap the more prestige the particular defendant has. i want to know from you though, steve, have you spoken to your client? if your client optimistic about the potential to be released? >> viktor bout it's very optimism to mystic, he's very well read, very knowledgeable. unfortunately, the way the prison is where he is held, he's in a communication monitoring unit, we can only get messages to him every 48 or 72 hours, and sometimes it takes days to get messages there. he will not allow an interview, he would've loved to be on your show tonight with me, but the u.s. government will not permit him any interviews with any reporters whatsoever. they turned him down routinely.

look, he's strong, he's strong willed, he's ready, he's been through it for almost 15 years now. remember, he was targeted a retired russian citizen, living in moscow, had never done anything to harm the united states, when the u.s. government the drug enforcement agency targeted him in the sting operation. mind you, this is a russian citizen, a respected russian citizen, who admitted no crime, targeted by the dea and the prosecuted in the southern district of new york, frankly, -- you know the southern district is small, one of 94 federal districts in the country decided that without thinking with the consequences would be, of targeting viktor viktor bout bout they did it simply because they didn't. >> there's no need to relay to get it with me, and here's the reason. a jury disagreed. he was convicted. he is now serving time. the question now will be, will he be released? we look forward to talking to

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never thought you'd hear from a former american president. >> what do you say to those family members who protested earlier this week, and we'll be doing so again on friday? >> nobody's gotten to the bottom of 9/11, unfortunately, and they should have. as to the maniacs that did that horrible thing to our city, to our country, to the world. nobody's really been there. but i can tell you that there are a lot of really great people that are out here today, and we're gonna have a lot of fun. >> nobody's gotten to the bottom of september 11th? trump is now responding to 9/11 families who have been critical of his support for the saudi-backed liv golf tournament which kicks off in this new jersey sports club. let's discuss now with sports analyst and sports columnist, christine brennan, she's been following this event. in fact, you are at the event

as well. give us a little bit of background here, hearing a lot about the liv golf association tell me how this started? is it pulling in pga players more and more? >> it's getting more players. most of them are has been,'s older players, basically, who want to kickback and don't want to work as hard anymore. it's all about the money. it's hundreds of millions of dollars that's being thrown at some of these golfers, the biggest name is phil mickelson, dustin johnson is another name, maybe people will know. but most of these players are veterans, most of them have seen their best days, they are not the top players in golf anymore, tiger woods said no way, roy mack loyd said no way no way. it was saudi-backed. the money is mbs, mohammed bin salman, it who is of course linked to officials have said ordered the murder of jamal english khashoggi in 2018, murder and dismemberment. so, basically, whatever it instead is that these players, who have decided to jump to liv golf, which is mostly an

exhibition, three rounds, no cut, not at all competitive the way we're used to seeing tiger woods. they're taking blood money. they're taking money from the saudi investment fund, run by mbs, mbs linked to khashoggi, and also you like them to 9/11. >> have they compartmentalize? that's quite a statement to make, but have they thought it and been outspoken about the idea of compartmentalizing? have they spoken about the politics, the optics the social political structure in saudi arabia? >> we're talking about golfers here. our talk about athletes are just gonna play golf. i have asked, i asked of the u.s. open, up in boston, and in june i was just as you mentioned, i was at bedminster yesterday asking them specific questions. my questions have been about the 9/11 families, would they'd say to us as journalist, would you say to them? phil mickelson coming off any basically said he has a lot of empathy for the families. that's it. very bristling, not at all the phil mickelson the gregarious guy that were used to seeing.

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the idea of winning that amount of money at that particular age, give me the advice that you would give someone today who might just win this huge amount? well, i would say, buckle up. because it can be one of the most life-altering surreal things that can possibly happen to someone. and i would also say, you know, once the exhilaration of winning wears off, my advice would be to relax. sit back. find summit financial advisers and figure out, learn, understand what you can do with the money. and once you have an understand of that, sit back and enjoy life. but it can be a whirlwind, it can really turn life on its head. >> timothy, we rehearsed you saying, also the advice would be to give laura coats part of the money. i'm not sure what you did not include that in your statement just now, but will work on the next opportunity we talk about this. you know a, look, there is no

such thing as a lottery curse. we've seen the headlines. people who won the lottery, something awful happens in their lives. in some form or fashion. did it ever impact your life negatively in some way? and how did you think it can? >> well, for myself, i did receive letters and people coming out of the woodwork way back in the day, it can go on. it's been mostly positive, but i interviewed quite a few people lottery winners, other lottery winners, and i know my other experiences and experiences of other people. and i think it really matters who surround you, who your peers are, where you come from, and of course, how much you win. all these things factor in whether or not it and positive or negative experience for your life. i think if you win the lottery then it really magnifies, it

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