i'm debbie kamau bell. we're all white supremacy. we filmed the show in early 2020 which means we filmed weeks before covid-19 hit and months before the police in minneapolis killed george floyd and before all the protests that followed. before many of us had ever heard of reforming or defunding the police. before the president and his cronies used racism to describe the coronavirus, which led to a rise in hate crimes against asian americans. yep, you don't have to look to history to see racism. just watch the news. but the question is, are we finally ready to do the work it takes to make america the just, equitable, and great place it's always claimed to be?

ah, the first episode of "united shades of america." such an innocent time. i know many of you remember it, because i heard about it all the time. you're the kkk guy. why would you film with the kkk? america doesn't even have that type of racism anymore. hmm. you're right. it's gotten way worse. >> jews will not replace us! >> and that was all before covid-19 and before four cops in minneapolis killed george floyd. rather than just treat him like a human. before protests, a police station burning to the ground. >> i'm in trouble, there's an african american man threatening my life. >> before too many karens, before flattening the curve. and through it all -- a president incapable of handling any of it at all.

oh, look, baby's first bible! america is finally ready to get real about white supremacy. so, let's start super easy and basic. these are white supremacists. 44 white presidents out of 45 in a land originally 100% native american is white supremacy. white supremacy is a big complicated web of systems and institutions set up to keep power and privilege with one race. guess which one? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ pittsburgh is a paradox. it's known as steel town, usa, but the factories that gave it that name are mostly gone. it's a progressive liberal city, but in the heart of deep red western p.a. it's an industrial city, but also a booming intellectual and technology hub. it's america's most liveable city. one of the safest and most affordable cities. and the worst city in america for black people. wait, what? what in the name of pittsburgh's mr. rogers is going on? the paradox of a seven times higher infant mortality rate for black babies over white babies, or a safe, livable city versus the deadliest attack on jewish people in our nation's history at the tree of life synagogue means that in pittsburgh, like in america, the history and structure of white supremacy has us living two totally separate realities.

you know, existing while black in pittsburgh is like starving to death while in the supermarket aisle. okay, i didn't come up with that. a friends of mine who is a great writer and a pittsburgh native did. >> what section of town is this? >> we're on the south side. >> if you ever hear about a pittsburgh steeler getting arrested, it happened here. it always happens here. >> that's funny. >> damon young is a writer and a cofounder of one of my favorite websites -- very smart brothers. he was born and raised here. and most importantly, after he made it, he stayed here. >> i feel like pittsburgh is the market cause of america. in a sense that i think that we believe our own hype. just as america kind of believes its own hype, believes its lofty missions that were written by slave owners. and there's a reason why white people in pittsburgh seem to be thriving and black people are not.

it's like, we didn't get this way just because of unconnected decisions. >> that's why i think when white people hear the phrase white supremacy, they are only thinking about the klan. you know, segregation now, segregation forever. >> yeah. >> but they're not thinking about the structures that exist in this country that keep black folks at the bottom. >> and it's not even about hate. >> uh-huh, yes. >> weirdly, it's not about hate. >> yeah. you can have a black best friends and your favorite show, it would be "power" and have a lebron james poster on your wall, you can do all of that and still have investments in white supremacy. >> yeah. >> many people think white supremacy is just like neo-nazis and kkk members. but those guys, they're just the most visible tip of the iceberg, along with stuff like genocide, hate crimes, lynching, hate groups, you know, the stuff good folks agree is bad.

beneath that cold, dark water is actually most of the structure that keeps white supremacy rolling along. like police brutality. some states not even having laws against hate crimes. the legacy of jim crow laws. gerrymandering, and much, much more. and then as we move deeper down the iceberg, we get to the harder stuff to see. hearing racist jokes and not challenging them. the chinese virus. being black in america. all lives matter. all the way down to, i never even owned slaves! the problem is, it's too easy to look at the top and say, what a bunch of assholes. that's white supremacy and i'm not that. and miss everything else. >> slavery ended. then the lakers and the celtics played. >> yeah, yeah, magic johnson and larry bird were friends. and everything's been fine. >> yep. when the disparities exist with wealth, with education, with employment, with incarceration, and these disparities exist

everywhere in the country, but in pittsburgh, they're more stark. >> there's two cities happening here. yeah. ♪ while black communities in pittsburgh deal with huge racial disparities and quickly gentrifying neighborhoods, predominantly black black neighborhoods like braddock, just outside of the city, are grappling with a common experience for black people in cities across the entire nation. the compound effects of industrial pollution and long term systemic white supremacy. >> this is the town that steel built. this is where mostly a lot of the black folks lived back in the day, but all of this area was occupied. and this is the steel mill. so they literally just worked right there. >> i can see smoke coming out of there. >> they say it's steam. >> i've heard that before. >> yeah, so, folks used to live on top of it.

so all day, all night, this is the sound that they heard. a lot of people look at this town and they'll ask, why would anybody want to stay here? but we're talking about people who have their social networks here. in fact, that right there is the school that my mom went to when she was in junior high. so a lot of the folks who have lived here, they've been here for generations. >> pittsburgh born but raised in braddock. she is the state rep for the 34th district. >> this is the place where so many of our family members spent all their days. the town used to run by the schedule at u.s. steel. so the bell would ring. once shift would come out, the next shift would go in, and that's how the town ran. and that's how everybody knew what time of day it was. >> wow. so the town is run by the company. >> oh, definitely. this is u.s. steel's town. >> by the 1960s and '70s,

suburbanization had largely moved the white population of braddock up the hill and out of the valley. while black folks remained. along with discriminatory home lending, all legal until 1968. but in the more than 50 years since, it is clear that changing the law has not changed the reality. >> the jobless rate is over 15% in pittsburgh. >> and when the united states steel industry collapsed in the '80s, braddock, the town that had lived and died for steel, was left with the problems and little else, except consistently some of the worst air quality in the u.s. of a. >> when we look at wages, when we look at environmental issues, when we look at education, when we look at the school to prison pipeline, mass incarceration, we see those as issues in and of themselves. in reality, they're all part of the cycle of racism. a perfect example. take my town. black folks, most of them live there because at some point they were red lined. government policies, predatory lending. those things all colluded to ensure black folks couldn't get

into communities where there were more opportunities. so you're in these insular communities, ghettos. our supreme court says education can be funded by the local level. which means that you live in this town, you get one educational experience. you live in that suburb, you get a vastly different one. you live in this community, you're more likely to live by an environmental hazard. we have u.s. steel in this community. you're more likely to live in a medical desert in a food desert. we have, in the 15104 zip code, we have no grocery stores. we had a hospital that was notoriously closed down. and you are less likely to have transportation in and out of your community. so you are literally and physically trapped in your communities. so, that means you have bought your kid a one-way ticket right back into that circle. right back into that cycle. that's cyclical racism. where do you even start? where do you even begin to dismantle that? >> you just broke it all the way down, didn't you? that's good. feel like i want to do this.

so, i mean, it seems to me like if you're in a town that has money and had a good school district, you look at towns like this and you go, they made that, they created that problem. white supremacy convinces people that systemic problems are problems those people created. >> even if they give a leg up to black folks, we're doing something for people that we dehumanized. you know, those are welfare queens. those are people who are just leeching off of the system, you know? that's how we framed it in this country. to the desire, a universal education system is to somehow leech off of the system. i mean, just last year, one of their facilities caught fire. the day before christmas. we didn't find out until two, they weeks later. even me, the state rep in this area, you know. every other government official. we found out on the news when it was like, hey, there was a big fire. if you live in any of these communities, we suggest you don't go outside. from january to may.

we're supposed to be grateful for the jobs. >> yeah. >> and why can't we be grateful for the jobs and also be healthy? >> in the wake of covid-19, some people are wondering why black folks were affected at a higher rate? >> why is it three or four times more so as opposed to other people? it doesn't make sense. >> ah. black to the iceberg. black communities generally have worse air quality which leads to chronic health and respiratory issues and then oh, yeah, we have less access to health care and healthy food. then you throw a pandemic in. no shit it's going to hit you harder. >> we have a billion-dollar industry in our town. but this town, north braddock, has about 500 blighted properties. filled with empty vacant lots. basically a ghost of what it used to be. we have to talk about what is a community partner? community partners contribute, they participate, they're active in your community, they're your neighbor. >> yeah. >> if they're not doing all of that, they're your colonizer.

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common across middle america. post-industrial job loss and poverty. one might think that the shared struggles would bring people closer, but nope, because our fears and frustrations have been used to divide us and we all know that can end in violence. on october 27th, 2018, an alt-right white supremacist from just south of the city killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue in the squirrel hill neighborhood of pittsburgh. his online manifesto was packed with language blaming jewish people and immigrants for the problems facing the white working class. this is just part of the rising tide of racist hostility in america. but you don't have to take my word on that. i brought an expert. are you nervous? >> yeah! a little. >> there's no way. >> i'm scared of what you might get me to say. >> cnn's kamau bell. if you're watching cnn and a reporter is somewhere in america

talking about racism, hate or violence, it's probably sara sidner. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here, now! >> you are in the shit. you are, like, running after hate, you know? >> yeah. you have to recognize that hatred often comes from a place of fear and pain. the fear is someone else is taking over, and i'm going to be a minority. one of the big themes of this white supremacist movement is the browning of america. i'm a white supremacist's worst nightmare. not because i attack them but because of who i am. my mother is caucasian and my father is black. >> there you go. >> i am mixed race. i am changing america. >> yeah. here we are, sitting in this town. you know, it's like a lot of towns in this area, used to be an industrial town. used to be, you know, good union jobs. >> you retired and you had a

pension. >> yes. and then the industrialization happens, jobs go overseas. people start to get frustrated. >> scapegoating starts. >> yes. >> who do you blame? you don't want to blame yourself, right? you don't want to blame your family or your community, so you look at who could be the scapegoat. the immigrants. even if there isn't an immigrant to be seen in your community, they're to blame for taking my livelihood, and therefore, taking my life. it gets people in this place, where hatred that is okay, because i'm just protecting myself and my family. but the other thing is that it can feel good. >> hatred can feel good. yeah. >> am i wrong? >> no, you're not wrong. >> it's powerful. young boys get on the internet and in their feeds will have

memes that seem real funny, but really, they're teaching. >> oh. >> i've had a conversation with a mother who said, my 13-year-old boy had a hitler meme that he thought was funny that came into his -- >> right? >> into his feed, he didn't go searching for it. but if you click on it, you get more, right? you get more. you get more. and so you're filling young people up with things that they're normalizing. normalizing anti-semitism, normalizing racism. normalizing homophobia. >> they're being fed more hate per found than any generation's ever been fed. >> in certain people, it grows into hate and then violence. >> on march 15th, 2019, that hate turned violent in another safe, liveable city, when a 29-year-old white supremacist livestreamed the murder of 51 muslim worshippers in christchurch, new zealand.

[ shots ] >> those were gunfires. >> that was amazing to watch. >> new zealand sucks, britain rules! >> marry me, britain terrorist! >> 50 is a great score, brenton. >> god bless brenton with the light to his path right now, lord jesus. . >> i love spiro 3 and fortnight, too. >> i like the name. >> it's cool. rough. >> i subscribed to brenton tarrant. you are innocent and will get out in no time. >> wow. >> yeah. yeah, it's a lot. >> so somebody posted -- you have no idea where it came from, or -- >> no. >> who those kids are?

>> who those people are, nothing. >> and they're all excited about the perpetrator in new zealand? >> terror attack. the first little girl was clearly watching something where you were hearing gunshots. >> yeah. yeah. >> wow. and those are kids. >> those are kids. >> pete simey, ph.d, is an professor at chapman university. he studies extremist groups and terror organizations. >> there are people that are well educated that are involved in these groups, from middle-class backgrounds, upper-class backgrounds. we have this broader historical ingrained kind of almost in our collective psyche about white supremacy that's just floating around out there, and everyone's susceptible in some form or another. >> and a lot of this has been supercharged by social media and the internet. >> absolutely. i mean, that's opened up so many doors. now, white supremacists had been getting active elevated online even during the 1980s with

electronic bulletin boards to create propaganda, distribute propaganda. >> and as access to the web grew, it moved them from isolated clusters to globally interconnected organizations with an instant pipeline to the disenfranchised, the disillusioned, and the teenager. >> sup in this crib! >> welcome to -- >> everybody in the house, put your hands up. >> meet youtube's biggest star, felix shellburn and his name, pewdiepie. >> the new zealand shooter references pewdiepie. >> the most subscribed channel on youtube? >> over 100,000. >> cute videos, funny pranks. every now and again some hate speech comes through. >> right. paid people to hold signs up on videos that say death to all jews. >> i feel partially responsible, but i didn't think they would

actually do it. >> meanwhile, daily storm thanked him, saying, it normalizes naziism. >> how did you get the name pe p pewdiepie? >> the new youtube original series. >> i want to thank youtube for allowing the emperor for being here. >> and that kind of normalization of hate doesn't just happen on youtube. it happens in the halls of government, where the stakes are much higher. >> and we saw that in the 2016 election, obviously, with donald trump. and, you know, in the case of many of his advisers, like stephen miller. >> the word racist gets thrown around a lot. by me. but miller, who writes trump's immigration policy, is, in my humble opinion, the real deal. which, of course, he denies. because of course. but he's got a well-documented history of pushing anti-immigrant, anti-minority agendas. miller was the author of the child separation border policy and the travel ban on mostly muslim-majority countries. miller has also long coveted a

full immigration ban, quote, like coolidge did, citing the 1924 immigration act which banned european jews, which miller is, in favor of nordic races and was based on the same racist book that hitler called his bible. and remember this? >> why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here? the president then went on to talk about how they needed to bring in more people from norway. >> that's classic eugenics, classic miller, classic racism. again, in my humble opinion. >> you don't have to be wearing a klan robe or have a shaved head and a swastika on your forehead to be a white supremacist. we have to start being more honest about what white supremacy looks like. >> so-called central park five, five teenagers pressured into giving false confessions. >> of course i hate these people. let's all hate these people, because maybe hate what is we need to get something done. >> we provided additional

information today about the site of my birth. >> the progressive democratic congresswoman should go back to the crime-infested places from which they claim. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. knock the crap out of him, would you? seriously. when you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, i said, please don't be too nice. >> nothing happens in a vacuum. when that language is being used by our leaders, it spreads. so when you see how far it can go, how hatred can grow and then turn into not just words, but then actions, and then become deadly? i sat down with a family in el paso, misty and paul's son-in-law and their daughter were two of 22 people killed by a suspected terrorist at an el paso walmart. the mother was holding her child.

the child survived, just a baby. you can't sit there and talk to families without having that sit on you. forever. >> yeah. >> right? thinking about them. um -- >> i mean, i -- i mean -- yeah, sorry. >> thinking about that family and what they will have to tell this child, who has no idea, right, why his mother and father are not there. because somebody hated immigrants. it is -- how do you explain that, right? i mean, how do you -- how do you even begin to explain that? that will forever bother me. >> yeah. >> i'm sorry, you guys. >> no, no. that's all right.

it's all right. >> i was really not expecting this. see, this was what i was afraid of. >> i didn't even do anything! >> i am a reporter. do you hear me? >> yes. welcome to my house. i cry on this show all the time. it's -- it's what -- it's what we do to move through these moments, so -- >> the families that i talk to, they give me life. because i see that they're able to function, they're able to move forward in their lives. they have no choice. they're still here. that fills me with, okay, get up. go do your job. sara sidner, cnn, el paso. so shs a miro to brainstorm. “shoot it?” suggests the scientists. so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough.

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>> that's the final scene from the episode. >> were those people real klansmen? >> oh, yeah. that's not "the chappelle show." yeah. those are -- yeah. i should say, this is not a sketch. >> i knew the klan existed. but hearing them really say those things -- i had to laugh, because i'm like, wow, like, they really believe this. >> they've got god and kentucky on the same level. >> yes, yes. got and kentucky. like what? >> i feel like klan imagery is a little bit maybe older. i feel like maybe our generation relates it to a little bit more. did your generation have that same fear? >> i'm not scared if i go down south that i'm going to get lynched anymore. i'm more scared when i go outside the house. like, am i going to get shot by a police officer? >> what nicholas just said right there is the whole show. it's easy to focus on the kkk, but you can avoid the kkk. but the police? you're going to eventually have to deal with the police.

a 2018 rutgers university study showed that negative media portrayals, which foster fear of black men, were a significant factor in a five times higher rate of unarmed black men being shot by police than unarmed white men. that fear has justified not only excessive force, but also claims of self-defense. >> i think a lot of it has to do with, when you see us on mainstream media, we're dehumanized. and so, when antoine gets killed, it's like, oh, that's a young black dude. >> you know how it goes. a black 17-year-old named antoine rose is shot and killed by a police officer, michael rosfeld. blood been fired from his previous post for misconduct. antoine's community focused on the fact that he volunteered, was an honor roll student, and had never been in trouble with the law. while many outside his community focused on a drive-by shooting he was allegedly involved in. his community finds it hard to focus on that, since the officer shot antoine in the back as he was running away.

completely unarmed. >> when the trial happened, it was kind of this idea that there was going to be violence. >> yeah. >> so, they had the courthouse surrounded by police. they shut the streets down around the courthouse. >> the police presence exponentially grew every day. it got thicker and thicker. to a point, you would think that, like, the president was here. it was wild down there, brother. it was madness. and then just previously, before that, the nra march, an open carry march. like, come on, show your guns off. >> a bunch of well-armed and mostly white folks marching onto the steps of a government building. this was just 2 1/2 months after the tree of life massacre. it was to protest proposed gun regulations that were hoping to avoid another massacre. why would we want to do that? when white folks show up at rallies, no matter how violent or ridiculous their wants are,

they're given the benefit of the doubt. look at these two rallies. in one case, the cops shut down the street for the rally. in the other case, they shut down the street to stop the rally. who are you afraid of? >> i just imagine us saying, we're going to ride with our guns. and just like, how far would that bus get, like, you know what i mean? >> it wouldn't get off your block. >> right, before a bomb hits it. to me, this is why white supremacy really functions. we gave them no reason to believe -- >> none. >> that it would be any type of violence. because we protested all year and every single protest was nonviolent. the verdict came on friday night. that following monday, young organizers from the universities and the high schools organized the largest protest that pittsburgh's ever seen. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? now! >> what do we want? >> justice! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> you had 3,000 to 5,000 young people really take to the streets.

that is what gave me hope. seeing how they organized and the manner in which they showed up. that's never the narrative. >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> no justice -- >> no peace! >> and we are seeing that narrative play out again. the protests following the killing of george floyd are some of the most powerful and engaged acts of civil disobedience and first amendment rights since martin had that dream. and it is easy to see the disparity. remember, george floyd was killed over suspicion of having a fake 20. but this guy? cops bought him some burger king. you know how some media is. never missing an opportunity to paint black people as scary while completely ignoring the issues at hand. aka, what's up, tucker? >> for the past week, all of us have seen chaos engulf our beloved country. what do the mobs want? >> and while many of you get caught up in, why are people rioting?

>> well, your hero martin luther king jr. said, a riot is the language of the unheard. and somebody else said, it is hard to start a riot when everybody has a good job, a full belly, well-educated kids, access to health care and feels safe and protective. try getting somebody to throw a brick through a window then. that was me. i said that shit just now. >> this may be a lot of things, this moment we're living through. but it's definitely not about black lives. remember that when they come for you and at this rate, they will. >> and that's why all of his advertisers are pillows. >> i see you, tucker. >> all of this shows why black people need to have control over our own narrative. >> so, no matter the diversity

of the stories, those stories are filtered through a white lens. regardless of intentions, this influences the presumptions that people of color have to live with. in too many cases, die with. >> a lot of people's experience with diversity does come from the media. for myself, growing up in a suburb area, that was my outlet to be collected and connected in a diverse environment. i have learned that it is important to be the person in the room because you can't expect those other people out there to speak for you. >> yeah. >> i think you all know this, but the power is behind the camera. it is fine to be on camera, but you want to work to get the letters behind your name that say executive producer. the director, that is when you can make decisions that

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>> this is cnn, the world news network. >> are you ready for the blues? >> yeah. ♪ i had winning on my mind i've got a guilty conscience on my mind ♪ ♪ >> he was a bar called the silver dollar lounge. it was an all-white bar. i was the only black eye in the band. i'd come off the bandstand on break and somebody put their arm around my shoulder.

said, little man i like your piano playing. this is the first time i ever heard of black person play piano like jerry lee lewis. and i said, got the same place that i did. black, blues, and boogie- woogie. >> i've never heard of black men play like that, except for you. then, he went to buy me a drink. he said, you know, this is the first time i ever sat down and had a drink with a black man. i said why? he looked at me and said, i am a member of the ku klux klan. i burst out laughing. >> that was the response? >> yeah. >> we often say somebody is one of a kind. in terrell davis's case, that is true. darrell made his living as a musician. he made his life's work to convert members back into humans.

when i did my episode, many of his fans thought i was stealing his gig. >> take a bag of skittles. separate the colors and taste individual flavors -- that's even better. >> i don't want his gig. the first episode of the t-shirt tv show, i met with the clan. you went all the way in. >> i incurred some rap for that. >> could he do you incur the wrath from? >> mostly black people. they have a visceral reaction as they see a pencil picture -- as what i. me, i would read the back story. sometimes, when black folks are about the work i'm doing -- it's not that i agree with them, but i understand where it comes from. i get the situation that they feel like this country is in, and that black folks are in, that they don't have any time or room for a black person to sit across from a klansman.

>> let me ask you a question. if we don't have time to sit down and work out our issues, what is the issue answer? we have to start thinking, i'm not mad brothers keeper, i am my brother's keeper. >> yeah. >> the challenge is, would you define as your brother? i think a lot of black folks would not define a klansman as their brother, you know what i mean? >> the entire country as my community. whether it is a black or a white neighborhood, a jewish neighborhood, i am an american. i see humanity in everybody. >> by darrell's count, he has been directly or indirectly responsible for the conversion of 200 white supremacist. he has brought four of them here to tell their stories. none of these guys are from pittsburgh. these are x white supremacist. i hope. i'm not trying to make a sequel. i want to start off by going around the table, saying your name, how long you've been out

of the organization you are in, and also your tiles in the organization. we can start with you. darrell, how long have you been out of the clan? >> depends on who you ask. >> tell me about yourself. >> i am just scoop. i was with the national socialist movement. i was the commander for the united states. i was there 27 years. >> jeff scoop was a leader of the national socialist movement. the largest group in the united states. from 1994, until recently, in 2019. yikes. >> i've been out 10 months, now. >> you are fresh. 10 months is -- you know, if this is recovery you would still be in the early days. >> i think it will be recovery for the rest of our lives. >> yeah. tim garrett was born in germany, where he became a . then he moved to america and joined the . you know what they say, when in rome. what specifically, can you think of the moment, you are like -- this doesn't work for

me anymore. >> the violent acts were the final straw straw for me. the tree of life shooting, the mosque shooting in new zealand -- you make up excuses in your mind. i could say -- at least there was nobody from ms and that did it. but you are still putting out negative and hateful stuff. a lot of times, with the organizations, the leaders served as a pressure valve. we are telling people, don't. literally before an event or a rally, you have to tell people -- no racial epithets, no cussing, no calls to violence. >> that would be that way, you would have to tell you members don't, right? >> even though jeff says he is out, not everybody trusts that he is out. that includes the southern poverty law center. really -- is that so bad?

he was a leading hatemonger for 25 years. he feels like it's taken more than 10 months to go from the list to the hugs list. the white supremacist, clan, or , they put out all the hate that say that we don't advocate violence. i think you're creating a culture of violence. this is supposed to be a lead of just white folks and there is one good way to get there. these people believe that it involves guns and violence. >> i was violence, i was like, i will attack you and i am here to kill people. >> did you ever practice balance? >> every day. i was literally a wash in it. >> arnold michaelis is a former skinhead. he approaches the work that he does with the same vim, vinegar, and vinegar that he approached being a white supremacist with. as far as i'm concerned, that is exactly how it should be. >> he would get a fist off

white kid, find out what is wrong in their life, blame it all on and black people and people -- everybody else. so they don't have to look inward and do the difficult work of straightening out their own life. a lot of these kids fold me around like puppy dogs. i would get these guys drunk and blast into their mind that we were at war. that our race is going to be wiped off the planet earth if we don't fight back for all that we are worth . >> regularly out of the streets, fighting and attacking people? were you ever arrested for it? >> i was arrested many times. i spent a lot of weekends in jail. i never got a case because i was a white kid. >> there you go. i'm glad you said it. >> i say at the time. if a black, latino, person of color did what i did, they were still being prison. >> white privilege. >> it is. >> got has an interesting history, as well. >> of all these men, scott sheppard has been out the

longest, but his ties from the deepest. he comes from some notorious clan history. friends of his family were in involved in the mississippi burning murders. scott's godfather killed mentor evers. >> 19 years old, i served as grand dragon is the state of tennessee. i spent over 20 years in the movement. when i was in the clan, it was a little voice in the back of my head that always said -- do you believe what you are doing? i also had a big secret that they did not know -- i was raised by black lady. >> many southern children were raised by black nannies. surrogate moms who knew the kids better than their biological mom. >> did you know you are in the clan? >> oh yeah, yeah. i had a lot of guilt from that. i disenfranchise myself from her

and did not see her. when i got out of the clan, i knocked on her door and she opened the door and her arms and hardware open. i knew that i had been on a long and crazy journey, but i was home. she has passed away, now. she passed away at 103, two days before her birthday. i thank god that i was able to reunite with her before she passed away. i'm a mississippi boy, raised by black lady. i ended up in the clan. >> i made some of my best friends from people in the clan because i have been around people -- it's a long young child, of different backgrounds.

i wasn't allowed to become radicalized. my friends are in the u.s. foreign service. i spent a lot of time overseas in different countries, being around 70 different people. if i had not had that experience, what i before him with these people? probably not. our society can only become one of two things. it can become that which we sit back and let it become, or can be that of which we stand up and make it. i have chosen the latter. >> this show has put strange stuff in front of my eyes but -- ladies and gentlemen, welcome darrell davis and the x supremes. ♪i'm the bogeyman, the bogeyman the boogie-woogie man. in the boogie-woogie band. ♪ ♪i boogie as much as i can. bye-bye.

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surrounded by it, we really talk about the bottom of the iceberg. we are fascinated with the violence that waits up and creates, but the victims do most of the talking. the responsibility is on them to bring the drums, do the interviews, and clean up the damage. the tree of life massacre was one of those days in america that makes zero sense, when you hear about it. but, you quickly remember that days like these have become more common. i will go over the details, you can do that on your own. i'm here because of what came after. >> the muslim community modeled how to behave at a time of trauma to the jewish community. the board of the islamic center was outside of the tree of life as the insurance unfolded. we knew that this is where we needed to be. it did not end there, they

started a gofundme page and raised a quarter million dollars. they said, don't worry about funerals, we are taking care of that. >> we knew that we want to do something and we have similar burial practices. we knew that it had to be immediate. we returned the love and kindness six months later. the horrific attack in christchurch. both the jewish federation and the tree of life put together gofundme pages and sent like, $650,000 to christchurch. >> we do that all the time. those things don't get highlighted because our faith don't tell us to boast about the good things that we do. these divisions of people see between our communities are often concocted. >> is an important message, people that wonder can jewish and muslims get along? well, why not?! >> the executive director of the islamic center of pittsburgh and work together as since the

shootings to bring peace and unity to the city. >> horror drew us together. that is not what unites us. the horror was a call to action. we both recognized that action was required. but to do that, you need to find partners to affect change. >> i feel like, generally, non- jewish americans thought that anti-semitism was a thing of the past. it was something that you people don't deal with. >> unless you experience it personally, you don't know that it is an anti-semitism. i think i was about 10 years old, i came home one day from school and in the driveway were a couple of such swastikas with the words "jeffrey is a dirty " i thought that was what you had to pay to be a in the united states. >> i think it is a similar

thing. black people feel like, as long as we aren't expensing the harshest end of racism, you don't complain about things that you should complain about because you are like, at least it isn't worse. when was the last time you were here? >> i think was about three weeks ago. sometimes the mood is such that you could be having a great day and something reminds you of the events of october 27th. there are times that i cannot drive by here. i will detour. the visual reminder, sometimes, is too much. >> yeah. >> to me, the greatest horror would be that they pass away in anonymity, without's seeing that these are beautiful people who died because they were being jewish. the answer to people dying because they were jewish is to

do even more jewish. >> i like that -- do even more jewish. >> there is a wonderful phrase in the towel mood -- it is not up to you to finish the task, but you are not absolving trying. the man i get to that part of the rainbow, but that doesn't mean we are letting you off the hook from trying -- at least making a few steps more progress. >> reporter: did a little mlk on it. no matter the race, creed, or religion -- if we all do that work every day to make the world better, it gets better. >> absolutely. >> i can't help but think about my mom in moments like this. hearing her talk to her friends

about racism and activism. she was playing martin king junior records in the house. at the time i was like, why? can we put some temptations on or something? to stand here and realize that she was building the bridge for me to be here talking to you. >> honor your mother by doing the same thing to your kids. >> yes. thank you. >> thank you. >> [ laughter ] i knew i get emotional. thank you, father. >> i'm glad you came to pittsburgh. today the sun is shining. it is a good day .

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home of the santa monica pier and the birthplace of stephen miller. we are not here for that stuff, we are here for this lad y -- my mom. doesn't she look good in this light? >> it would be great if it was warm. >> yeah, but you are always cold. >> i think something happens and you get older. >> yeah, and you are old. i mean, old. like, old. >> i acknowledge that. >> i mean like, martin luther king jr. would be 91 -- the idea being that my mom experienced every part of america's racism except for slavery. >> janet cheatham bell, born in 1927, in indianapolis indiana. she is fighting racism wherever she goes. mostly, she's happy to know that most can't believe she is 83.

when you had me, was your idea about raising his black boy? >> i was very conscious about that. i remember when you were a little guy -- six or seven years old -- there was a drugstore near us that we would shop in. as soon as we walked into the door, but the detective would follow us. i said, be really careful. i pointed out the store detective because we are always being watched. >> i remember that lesson. it sticks with me today. even as a fully grown adult, i'm aware of where my hands are. as a kid, i was aware of it because i didn't want to be arrested. now, as an adult, it is because i don't want to be killed. >> yeah. >> the other thing i want to talk about is how i didn't think america would ever elect a black president. >> yeah. >> and then i remember that you voted early because indiana had early voting. he flew out to san francisco --

>> to watch the returns with you. >> we could just talked on the phone. >> no, i wanted to be there when the results came in -- yeah. yeah. it was an historic occasion. i didn't ever think about get to see a black president. >> we only have one blurry picture from that night. of you being like -- [ laughter ] >> i'll never forget that night. >> and then, eight years later. >> every time black people make any progress in this country there is a backlash. so, this is the backlash to

obama being president. >> how bad things feel? like i said, you experience every part of racism except for slavery. >> i feel fascism coming on. that frightens me. if we don't, somehow, overcome this in the next election, i'm worried. i'm really worried. >> i don't know if i told you this, but when trouble won i was like "it's bad she didn't die while barack was in office." >> really? >> you know, i don't mean that, i just felt like -- >> all of my siblings are deceased and i have the thought, i'm glad they didn't have to live through this. one of the biggest success stories in racism in the united states is how they have kept

the races apart. that was deliberate, of course. segregation started it. if you keep people apart so that they don't get to know each other, then they can hate that unknown group. if all the people of color, and the disgruntled white people came together, they would not stand a chance -- the people in power who want to keep us down. they wouldn't have a ghost of a chance. so, they have to keep using us as decoys to keep white people from understanding that they are being ripped off, too. one thing i know, for sure, is that when people get to know each other, they can't hate each other. >> yeah.

>> look, every single episode of the show, by the end, i'm hoping that the screwed up and we talked about will be over forever. it never is. sometimes, honestly, i feel alone in this. i bet a lot of you do. but, one thing we're saying is that we are not alone. >> many other groups joined in and support. >> we have a crowd of at least a few thousand. >> we have seen a wave of demonstrations. >> at home or in the streets, we are in it together. okay, maybe not every one of us -- but a lot of us are out there in this fight. >> see what is in front of him? peaceful protesting. >> really in this, putting ourselves on the line. from huntsville alabama, to berlin. trying to make sure that we do everything we can so that today we will fight and love is hard as we can to make sure that tomorrow -- as one of pittsburgh's favorite sons say --

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